Hi all,
Just to repeat how it works....
List lodgement cut off being December 15. Drafting can begin earlier than that if all list lodgements have been received, but can't start until the AFL preseason and rookie drafts are complete.
Recommend you wait until AFL drafts are complete before lodging your list
Your list lodgement must include:
- The axing of all players retired/delisted from AFL clubs that did not find a new home at another club
- The axing of all players you want delisted from your own club
- List lodgements can not have any more than 41 players. If you have 41 players, you get ZERO picks in the national draft. If you have 40 players, you have 1 pick in the national draft. If you have 30 players, you get 11 picks in the national draft. Even if you have say picks 2, 20 and 38 - if you have only 2 picks you will not be able to use pick 38.
- Every player must be listed in order of preference. I will use this list to determine late replacements during the year (i.e. if you have run out of emergencies, the next player in will be based on that list).
So an example would be:
Collingwood Magpies Lists Lodgement
The List:
1. Scott Pendlebury
2. Dane Swan
3. Travis Cloke
..
..
..
..
..
34. Ben Johnson (sorry Benny J!)
^ All of the above players MUST be on an AFL List. If you list 34 players, you get 7 picks (41 minus 34 = 7) in the International Draft.
Retirements/Delistings:
Simon Buckley
Jonathon Ceglar
Paul Cribbin
Daniel Farmer
Shae McNamara
Luke Rounds
Lachlan Smith
Trent Stubbs
Chris Tarrant
Kirk Ugle
Cameron Wood
^ Any of these players that are on an AFL List will be available in the International draft.
The Official Berlin Brewers List Lodgement:
The List:
1 Lance Franklin
2 Daniel Wells
3 Jack Grimes
4 Jack Steven
5 David Swallow
6 Jack Trengove
7 Mark Jamar
8 Shane Edwards
9 Michael Hibberd
10 Colin Garland
11 Dylan Grimes
12 Tom McDonald
13 Reece Conca
14 Brandon Matera
15 Andy Otten
16 Daniel Jackson
17 James Sellar
18 Matthew Stokes
19 Cale Morton
20 Thomas Lynch
21 Max Gawn
22 Maverick Weller
23 Alipate Carlile
24 Lachlan Henderson
25 James Magner
26 Jake Spencer
27 Jamie Cripps
28 John Butcher
29 Jack Fitzpatrick
30 Kane Lucas
31 Josh Tynan
32 Brad Crouch
(note: the numbers associated with the player is not their Guernsey number)
Demotion to Rookie List:
Nil
Retirements/Delistings:
Rohan Kerr
Leigh Williams
Daniel Archer
Ben Warren
Jackson Ferguson
Simon Tunbridge
Aiden Riley
Ben Newton
Nathan Brown
Is was a tough decision for my last delisting between two players I was keen to get rid of, and Nathan Brown was the unlucky one.
Is this right oz? I have 9 draft picks, does this now allow me to use all of them?
Cairo Sands List Lodgement
The List:
1.Dayne Beams
2.Pearce Hanley
3.Nick Dal Santo
4.Shane Mumford
5.David Hale
6.Danny Stanley
7.Luke Breust
8.Josh Gibson
9.Shaun Grigg
10.Brad Sewell
11.Nick Malceski
12.Chris Knights
13.David Armitage
14.Richard Douglas
15.Hayden Ballantyne
16.Jarryn Geary
17.Michael Rischitelli
18.Chris Newman
19.Tory Dickson
20.Jared Petrenko
21.Lindsay Thomas
22.Jeremy Laidler
23.Ryan Crowley
24.Eric Mackenzie
25.Rhan Bail
26.Paul Puopolo
27.Lewis Stevenson
28.Michael Evans
29.Orren Stephenson
30.James Polkinghorne
31.Alex Woodward
32.Lukas Markovic
33.Lewis Johnston
34.Sam Rowe
Demotion to Rookie List:
None
Retirements/Delistings:
Brodie Moles
Cheynee Stiller
Raph Clarke
Eugene Kruger
Setanta O'hAilpin
Simon Hogan
Jai Sheahan
Dylan Orval
Haiden Schloithe
Simon Phillips
Daniel Connors
Cameron Hitchcock
Taylor Duryea
Angus Litherland
Really hope I did this right. :P
Sorry guys! Ignore the rookie demotion issue, that's since been scrapped until AFTER the international draft.
Also, hold off just a little, I need to work out how many players there are.... Not very many drafted today :/
Ok... I have a list of 823 listed players (2 have question marks? Gideon Simon and Sean Gregory, what's there story?)
Anyway, 823 leaves us with 45 players each with 13 players left over....
HOPEFULLY I've got all the delistings (not sure at all on the rookies).
So yeah, 45 player lists (down from last year's 46). 41 Senior, 4 rookies as per original plan.
These are the "forced" delistings - Let me know if I've missed any!
Ricky Dyson Beijing Bears D
Ryan Neates Beijing Bears D
Seamus McNamara Beijing Bears D
Warrick Andreoli Beijing Bears D
Addam Maric Beijing Bears D
Lindsay Gilbee Beijing Bears R
Ryan Hargrave Beijing Bears R
Mark McVeigh Beijing Bears R
Chance Bateman Beijing Bears R
Adam McPhee Beijing Bears R
Nathan Djerrkura Beijing Bears R
Clint Bartram Beijing Bears R
Ben Warren Berlin Brewers D
Daniel Archer Berlin Brewers D
Rohan Kerr Berlin Brewers D
Leigh Williams Berlin Brewers D
Simon Buckley Buenos Aires Armadillos D
Dean Polo Buenos Aires Armadillos D
Brett Meredith Buenos Aires Armadillos D
Blake Bray Buenos Aires Armadillos D
Michael Mascoulis Buenos Aires Armadillos D
Will Young Buenos Aires Armadillos D
David Wojcinksi Buenos Aires Armadillos R
Cameron Bruce Buenos Aires Armadillos R
Amon Buchanan Buenos Aires Armadillos R
Simon Phillips Cairo Sands D
Brodie Moles Cairo Sands D
Raph Clarke Cairo Sands D
Eugene Kruger Cairo Sands D
Jai Sheahan Cairo Sands D
Cheynee Stiller Cairo Sands R
Simon Hogan Cairo Sands R
Bryce Retzlaff Cape Town Cobras D
Andrew Hooper Cape Town Cobras D
Nathan Gordon Cape Town Cobras D
Andrew Browne Cape Town Cobras D
Henry Slattery Cape Town Cobras D
Sam Crocker Cape Town Cobras D
Zephaniah Skinner Cape Town Cobras R
Broc McCauley Cape Town Cobras R
Michael Coad Cape Town Cobras R
Lucas Cook Dublin Destroyers D
Cruize Garlett Dublin Destroyers D
Daniel Webb Dublin Destroyers D
Gavin Urquhart Dublin Destroyers D
Brad Symes London Royals D
Mitch Banner London Royals D
Paul Bower London Royals D
Mark Seaby London Royals D
Sam Iles London Royals D
Matthew Bate London Royals D
Jayden Post London Royals D
Jarrad Irons London Royals D
James McDonald London Royals R
Thomas Swift London Royals R
Brett Peake Mexico City Suns D
Jarred Moore Mexico City Suns D
Jay van Berlo Mexico City Suns D
Brad Harvey Mexico City Suns D
Malcolm Lynch Mexico City Suns D
Matthew Lodge Mexico City Suns D
Liam Jurrah Moscow Spetsnaz D
Justin Sherman Moscow Spetsnaz D
Paul Cribbin Moscow Spetsnaz D
Israel Folau Moscow Spetsnaz R
Kelvin Moore Moscow Spetsnaz R
Josh Dyson New Delhi Tigers D
Sam Sheldon New Delhi Tigers D
Josh Toy New Delhi Tigers D
Kyle Reimers New Delhi Tigers D
Brent Prismall New Delhi Tigers D
Kirk Ugle New Delhi Tigers D
Jarrad Boumann New Delhi Tigers D
James Mulligan New Delhi Tigers D
Piers Flanagan New Delhi Tigers D
Nick Heyne New Delhi Tigers D
Brad Mangan New Delhi Tigers D
Chris Tarrant New Delhi Tigers R
Josh Fraser New Delhi Tigers R
Brad Miller New Delhi Tigers R
Michael Ross New York Revolution D
Jeromey Webberley New York Revolution D
Tom Hill New York Revolution D
Dean MacDonald New York Revolution D
Lachlan Smith New York Revolution D
John McCarthy New York Revolution Dec
Antoni Grover New York Revolution R
Trent Stubbs NO TEAM D
Jordan Wilson-King NO TEAM D
Anthony Long NO TEAM D
Jack Lynch NO TEAM D
Gavin Roberts NO TEAM D
Nathan Krakouer NO TEAM D
Daniel Farmer NO TEAM D
Cameron Wood Pacific Islanders D
Steve Clifton Pacific Islanders D
John Anthony Pacific Islanders D
Matt Campbell Pacific Islanders D
Andrew Strijk Pacific Islanders D
Tom Schneider Pacific Islanders D
Kelvin Lawrence Pacific Islanders R
Matthew Panos PNL Reindeers D
Tim Segrave PNL Reindeers D
Piva Wright PNL Reindeers D
Adam Pattison PNL Reindeers D
Andrew McQualter PNL Reindeers R
Hayden Jolly Sao Paulo Pumas D
Dylan McNeil Sao Paulo Pumas D
Mitchell Carter Sao Paulo Pumas D
Brendan Lee Sao Paulo Pumas D
Jason Gram Seoul Magpies D
Rhys Cooyou Seoul Magpies D
Nicholas Winmar Seoul Magpies D
Anton Hamp Seoul Magpies D
Matthew Scarlett Seoul Magpies R
Luke Power Seoul Magpies R
Tom Gillies Tokyo Samurai D
Alik Magin Tokyo Samurai D
Lewis Moss Tokyo Samurai D
Callum Papertalk Tokyo Samurai D
Jacob Surjan Toronto Wolves D
Gerrick Weedon Wellington Warriors D
Ben McKinley Wellington Warriors D
Luke Rounds Wellington Warriors D
James Hawksley Wellington Warriors D
Mitchell Curnow Wellington Warriors D
Gibson Turner Wellington Warriors D
Josh Drummond Wellington Warriors R
Brad Green Wellington Warriors R
Michael Doughty Wellington Warriors R
Sean Gregory was drafted by the Bombers and should be senior listed now if I'm not mistaken.
He is a defender.
Awesome work Os!
Quote from: Sid on December 11, 2012, 02:51:21 PM
Sean Gregory was drafted by the Bombers and should be senior listed now if I'm not mistaken.
He is a defender.
Awesome work Os!
Ah! I see, going blind....
Gillies got picked up by the dees as a delisted free agent. Do I still have to delist him? :S
Mexico
List:
1. Brendan Goddard (Def/Mid)
2. Aaron Sandilands (Ruck)
3. Luke Hodge (Mid)
4. Jimmy Bartel (Mid/Frwd)
5. Adam Goodes (Frwd)
6. Mark Lecras (Frwd)
7. Shannon Hurn (Def)
8. Alan Didak (Mid)
9. Stewart Crameri (Frwd)
10. Jordan Russell (Def)
11. Scott Thompson (Mid)
12. Jarrad Waite (Frwd)
13. Ivan Maric (Ruck)
14. Mark Nicoski (Frwd)
15. Brent Moloney (Mid)
16. Brad Ebert (Mid)
17. Brian Lake (Def)
18. Jordan Lewis (Frwd/Mid)
19. Steele Sidebottom (Mid)
20. Nick Riewoldt (Frwd)
21. Daniel Pearce (Mid)
22, Jed Adcock (Def)
23. Michael Firrito (Def)
24. Darren Pfeiffer (Def/Mid)
25. Daniel Merrett (Def/Frwd)
26. James Strauss (Def)
27. Mark Baguley (Def)
28. Bernie Vince (Mid)
29. Dylan Addison (Def)
30. Ryan Bathie (Ruck)
31. Thomas Curren (Mid)
32. Corey Enright (Def)
Delistings:
Brett Peake
Jarred Moore
Jay van Berlo
Brad Harvey
Malcolm Lynch
Matthew Lodge
Steven Salopek
The New Delhi Tigers List
The List
1. Callum Bartlett
2. Orren Stephenson
3. Brent Prismall
4. Leigh Montagna
5. Daniel Giansiracusa
6. Max Bailey
7. James Podsiadly
8. Sharrod Wellingham
9. Rhys Palmer
10. Ian Callinan
11. Simon Black
12. Jarryd Blair
13. Nicholas Duigan
14. Martin Mattner
15. Brent Renouf
16. Domenic Cassisi
17. Dale Morris
18. Ryan Bastinac
19. Jake Melksham
20. Ben Jacobs
21. David Hille
22. Garrick Ibbotson
23. Ben Rutten
24. Terry Milera
25. Kyle Cheney
26. Aaron Mullett
27. George Horlin-Smith
28. Justin Koschitzke
29. Lewis Roberts-Thomson
30. Matthew White
31. Viv Michie
32. Shaun Edwards
33. Will Langford
34. Dylan Buckley
35. Jordan Murdoch
36. Zac Dawson
37. Sam Dunell
38. Cory Dell'Olio
39. Kyal Horsley
You've got my forced delistings right.... only 4!
Me, Tokyo and dublin had 4 each - the lowest. You'd think 2 of the last years' bottom teams would have the most! lol
EDIT: Toronto had 1! what! good job!
Quote from: Boomz on December 11, 2012, 03:22:39 PM
Gillies got picked up by the dees as a delisted free agent. Do I still have to delist him? :S
These are the kind of things I'm after! Thanks Boomz, will fix
@Purple, yeah, looks like you've done it right!
Purple, MajorLazer - looks good!
Maca24 - what's the go with Corey Enright?
FisherSaints - that list is rubbish, Orren isn't yours, Prismall is delisted and that's as far as I got. You need to order in the correct way like in the first post.
Nah Maca got rid of him. ;)
Just added Enright. Sorry Ossie forgot about him!
Agree Fisher, put more effort in that's half arsed.
1 Chris Judd
2 Sam Mitchell
3 Matt Suckling
4 Luke Shuey
5 Kieran Jack
6 Kurt Tippett
7 Jake Carlisle
8 Ben McGlynn
9 Trent West
10 Scott Selwood
11 Jared Rivers
12 Alex Fasolo
13 Luke Dahlhaus
14 Ted Richards
15 Nick Suban
16 Ben Stratton
17 Tayte Pears
18 Ashley Smith
19 Luke Parker
20 Ricky Henderson
21 Shaun Hampson
22 Alex Browne
23 Tim Golds
24 Lewis Jetta
25 Daniel Stewart
26 Andrew Phillips
27 Adam Kennedy
28 Steven Motlop
29 Luke Mitchell
30 Tom Gillies
31 Jacob Townsend
32 Andrew Collins
33 Sebastian Ross
34 Jackson Merrett
35 Nicholas O'Brien
36 Tom Campbell
37 Jackson Sheringham
Delisted:
Luke Davis
Jack Redpath
Hal Hunter
Jamie Bennell
Alik Magin
Derrick Wanganeen
Lewis Moss
Callum Papertalk
Defenders: Ben Jacobs, Dom Cassisi, Garrick Ibbotson, Ben Rutten, Martin Mattner, Kyle Cheney, Nick Duigan, George Horlin-Smith, Zac Dawson, Shaun Edwards
Midfielders: Leigh Montagna, Sharrod Wellingham, Ryan Bastinac, Kyle Horsely, Jake Melksham, Rhys Palmer, Aaron Mullett, Callum Bartlett, Sam Dunnell, Simon Black, Matt White, Dylan Buckley
Ruckmen:Max Bailey, David Hille, Brent Renouf.
Forwards: Jarryd Blair, Gia, James Podsiadly, Terry Milera, Lewis Roberts-Thompson, Jordan Murdoch, Viv Michie, Kirk Ugle, Justin Koschizke, Ian Callinan, Corey Dell'Olio.
Unknown: Will Langford.
National Picks: 7,17,91
Rookie Picks: 8,26,44,62
AFL Delistings:
Sam Lonergan
Josh Dyson
Sam Sheldon
Josh Toy
Kyle Reimers
Brent Prismall
Jarrad Boumann
James Mulligan
Piers Flanagan
Nick Heyne
Brad Mangan
Chris Tarrant
Josh Fraser
Brad Miller
Club Delistings:
Dale Morris
All Good?
Moskva
1. Richard Tambling
2. Nathan Fyfe
3. Nic Naitanui
4. Ryan Griffen
5. Callan Ward
6. Heath Shaw
7. Shane Tuck
8. Adam Treloar
9. Dustin Martin
10. Leigh Adams
11. Shaun Higgins
12. James Frawley
13. Angus Monfries
14. Dustin Fletcher
15. Robert Murphy
16. Dom Tyson
17. Jack Darling
18. Jack Hombsch
19. Charlie Dixon
20. Michael Walters
21. Will Hoskin-Elliott
22. Alex Sexton
23. Jackson Allen
24. Kyle Hardingham
25. Tyrone Vickery
26. Martin Clarke
27. Paul Seedsman
28. Steven May
29. Brad Dick
30. Josh Thomas
31. Jack Hutchins
32. Tom Williams
33. Josh Growden
34. George Burbury
35. Fraser McInnes
36. Jason Blake
37. Caolan Mooney
38. Josh Mellington
39. Corey Gault
40. Jonathon Ceglar
Delistings
Sam Schulz
Richard Newell
Justin Sherman
Paul Cribbin
Israel Folau
Kelvin Moore
Liam Jurrah
John Heslin
@Torp - Still pretty messy.
Don't see how it's hard to follow the format that everyone else did without mistakes.
Eg. You have Josh Toy on your list, yet you say he is delisted.
lol meow richard tambling ;D
Pumas List
1. Gary Ablett
2. Rory Sloane
3. Jarryd Roughead
4. Bea Waters
5. Hamish Hartlett
6. Chris Masten
7. David Zaharakis
8. Matthew Wright
9. Mitch Wallis
10. Sam Jacobs
11. Bachar Houli
12. Will Minson
13. Mitch Duncan
14. Jason Porplyzia
15. Andrew Walker
16. Stephen Hill
17. Brendan Whitecross
18. Scott McMahon
19. Ryan Harwood
20. Taylor Adams
21. Jack Gunston
22. Devon Smith
23. Brad Sheppard
24. Dylan Roberton
25. Matthew Buntine
26. Tony Armstrong
27. Liam Sumner
28. Jared Polec
29. Brett O'Hanlon
30. Alex Forster
31. Shane Kersten
32. Majak Daw
33. Luke Lowden
34. Alex Silvagni
35. Seb Tape
36. Simon White
37. Andrew Raines
38. Ariel Steinberg
39. Peter Yagmoor
40. Draft Pick 16
41. Draft Pick 31
Retirements/Delistings
Hayden Jolly
Brendan Lee
Mitch Carter
Dylan McNeil
Jimmy Webster
Amos Frank
Cameron Shenton
Seoul (44)
Bryce Gibbs
Ben McEvoy
Brett Deledio
Patrick Dangerfield
Josh J Kennedy
Chris Yarran
Tom Scully
James Kelly
Paul Duffield
Joel Corey
Heath Hocking
Xavier Ellis
Jude Bolton
Jordan Roughead
Taylor Hunt
Sam Darley
Liam Anthony
Nick Maxwell
Brent Macaffer
Brett Ebert
Luke Thompson
Lachlan Keeffe
Jeremy Taylor
Dawson Simpson
Alwyn Davey
Luke Russell
Liam Patrick
Stephen Coniglio
Brandon Ellis
Joel Hamling
Murray Newman
Jack Newnes
Jay Lever
Jed Bews
Fletcher Roberts
Alex Brown
Cameron Sutcliffe
Clancee Pearce
Retired/Delisted AFL players:
Jason Gram
Rhys Cooyou
Nicholas Winmar
Anton Hamp
Matthew Scarlett
Luke Power
Will just leave it at that.
Mine will be lodged tomorrow. Just consulting with my assistant coaches on lists.
Thanks all so far!
Looks good...
FisherSaints/Torp I removed Ugle as he has been delisted.
London Royals list.
1 STANTON, Brent
2 McVEIGH, Jarrad
3 REILLY, Brent
4 PEARCE, Danyle
5 BROADBENT, Matthew
6 HANNEBERY, Daniel
7 BELLCHAMBERS, Tom
8 MAYNE, Chris
9 MACKIE, Andrew
10 BROWN, Johnathan
11 WRIGHT, Sam
12 MACKAY, David
13 MACDONALD, Joel
14 STAKER, Brent D/f
15 O'BRIEN, Harry
16 HILL, Josh
17 LYNCH, Quentin
18 WARNOCK, Metthew
19 REID, Ben
20 PETTARD, Ricky
21 LONERGAN, Tom
22 MOORE, Andrew
23 TUOHY, Zach
24 WRIGLEY, Steven
25 GILHAM, Stephen
26 HUDSON, Ben
27 YOUNG, Tom
28 WINDERLICH, Jason M/F
29 GORRINGE, Daniel
30 WILSON, Nathan
31 BROWN, Mitch
32 FAULKS, Peter
33 LAIRD, Rory
34 O'KEEFFE, Rhys
35 DALGEISH, Lachlan
36 DARROU, Ben
37 SHERIDAN, Thomas
38 Draft pick 8
39 Draft Pick 9
40 Draft Pick 20
41 Draft Pick 45
Retired/Delisted Players
McDONALD, James
SWIFT, Thomas
SYMES, Brad
BOWER, Paul
SEABY, Mark
BANNER, Mitch
IRONS, Jarrad
POST, Jayden D/F
ILES, Sam
BATE, Matthew
WHILEY, Mark
JOYCE, Nicholas
Think this is correct,
Cape Town Cobras List.
1. Trent Cotchin
2. Joel Selwood
3. Josh P Kennedy
4. Tom Hawkins
5. Jobe Watson
6. Greg Broughton
7. Colin Sylvia
8. Ryan O'Keefe
9. Nathan Bock
10. Jeremy Cameron
11. Zach Smith
12. Adam Cooney
13. Stefan Martin
14. Nathan Vardy
15. Gary Rohan
16. Jeff Garlett
17. Lee Spurr
18. Alex Johnson
19. Craig Bird
20. Ed Curnow
21. Jasper Pittard
22. Easton Wood
23. Billie Smedts
24. Nick Haynes
25. James Gwilt
26. Lynden Dunn
27. Cameron Guthrie
28. Josh Cowan
29. Jacob Brennan
30. Karmichael Hunt
31. Cameron O'Shea
32. David Astbury
33. Campbell Heath
34. Jordan Schroder
35. Blaine Wilson
36. Rory Taggert
37. Stephen Milne
Retired/Delisted:
Bryce Retzlaff
Andrew Hooper
Nathan Gordon
Andrew Browne
Henry Slattery
Sam Crocker
Zephaniah Skinner
Broc McCauley
Michael Coad
Alex Greenwood
Brendan Ah Chee
Cheers MC.... Stephen Milne? What's his story?
Quote from: Ringo on December 12, 2012, 11:48:32 AM
London Royals list.
1 STANTON, Brent
2 McVEIGH, Jarrad
3 REILLY, Brent
4 PEARCE, Danyle
5 BROADBENT, Matthew
6 HANNEBERY, Daniel
7 BELLCHAMBERS, Tom
8 MAYNE, Chris
9 MACKIE, Andrew
10 BROWN, Johnathan
11 WRIGHT, Sam
12 MACKAY, David
13 MACDONALD, Joel
14 STAKER, Brent D/f
15 O'BRIEN, Harry
16 HILL, Josh
17 LYNCH, Quentin
18 WARNOCK, Metthew
19 REID, Ben
20 PETTARD, Ricky
21 LONERGAN, Tom
22 MOORE, Andrew
23 TUOHY, Zach
24 WRIGLEY, Steven
25 GILHAM, Stephen
26 HUDSON, Ben
27 YOUNG, Tom
28 WINDERLICH, Jason M/F
29 GORRINGE, Daniel
30 WILSON, Nathan
31 BROWN, Mitch
32 FAULKS, Peter
33 LAIRD, Rory
34 O'KEEFFE, Rhys
35 DALGEISH, Lachlan
36 DARROU, Ben
37 SHERIDAN, Thomas
38 Draft pick 8
39 Draft Pick 9
40 Draft Pick 20
41 Draft Pick 45
Retired/Delisted Players
McDONALD, James
SWIFT, Thomas
SYMES, Brad
BOWER, Paul
SEABY, Mark
BANNER, Mitch
IRONS, Jarrad
POST, Jayden D/F
ILES, Sam
BATE, Matthew
WHILEY, Mark
JOYCE, Nicholas
Think this is correct,
You do know the crows re drafted Joyce?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on December 12, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Ringo on December 12, 2012, 11:48:32 AM
London Royals list.
1 STANTON, Brent
2 McVEIGH, Jarrad
3 REILLY, Brent
4 PEARCE, Danyle
5 BROADBENT, Matthew
6 HANNEBERY, Daniel
7 BELLCHAMBERS, Tom
8 MAYNE, Chris
9 MACKIE, Andrew
10 BROWN, Johnathan
11 WRIGHT, Sam
12 MACKAY, David
13 MACDONALD, Joel
14 STAKER, Brent D/f
15 O'BRIEN, Harry
16 HILL, Josh
17 LYNCH, Quentin
18 WARNOCK, Metthew
19 REID, Ben
20 PETTARD, Ricky
21 LONERGAN, Tom
22 MOORE, Andrew
23 TUOHY, Zach
24 WRIGLEY, Steven
25 GILHAM, Stephen
26 HUDSON, Ben
27 YOUNG, Tom
28 WINDERLICH, Jason M/F
29 GORRINGE, Daniel
30 WILSON, Nathan
31 BROWN, Mitch
32 FAULKS, Peter
33 LAIRD, Rory
34 O'KEEFFE, Rhys
35 DALGEISH, Lachlan
36 DARROU, Ben
37 SHERIDAN, Thomas
38 Draft pick 8
39 Draft Pick 9
40 Draft Pick 20
41 Draft Pick 45
Retired/Delisted Players
McDONALD, James
SWIFT, Thomas
SYMES, Brad
BOWER, Paul
SEABY, Mark
BANNER, Mitch
IRONS, Jarrad
POST, Jayden D/F
ILES, Sam
BATE, Matthew
WHILEY, Mark
JOYCE, Nicholas
Think this is correct,
You do know the crows re drafted Joyce?
Yes I do JB but still had to delist a player to obtain pick 45. Made the decision that pick 45 was possibly more valuable than Joyce.
NYR List Lodgement
List
1. Mike Pyke
2. Grant Birchall
3. Harley Bennell
4. Travis Cloke
5. Toby Greene
6. Dyson Heppell
7. Andrew Gaff
8. Sam Fisher
9. Jonathan Giles
10. Allen Christensen
11. Tom Liberatore
12. Courtenay Dempsey
13. Dion Prestia
14. Trent McKenzie
15. Brodie Smith
16. Koby Stevens
17. Daniel Menzel
18. Anthony Morabito
19. Will Schofied
20. Ben Sinclair
21. Josh Jenkins
22. Mitch Morton
23. Arryn Siposs
24. Jake Batchelor
25. Matthew Arnot
26. Scott Lycett
27. Patrick McGinnity
28. Ben Griffiths
29. Aaron Young
30. Hayden Crozier
31. Tom Ledger
32. Jayden Pitt
33. Shaun McKernan
34. Mitch W Brown
35. Todd Elton
36. Tom Derickx
37. IND #15
38. IND #26
39. IND #32
40. IND #80
41. IND #88
Retired and Delisted
Antoni Grover
John McCarthy
Lachlan Smith
Dean MacDonald
Tom Hill
Jeromey Webberley
Michael Ross
Patrick McCarthy
Quote from: ossie85 on December 12, 2012, 04:27:31 PM
Cheers MC.... Stephen Milne? What's his story?
Dammit, sorry, knew I would've missed one...
Cheers Oss.
Comp died will try again tomorrow
@Syd/pyro... Cameron Richardson? Listed or delisted?
Thanks everyone! Appreciate the work :)
Toronto Wolves List Lodgement
1. Scott Pendlebury
2. Andrew Swallow
3. Paddy Ryder
4. Jack Ziebell
5. Mitch Robinson
6. Jack Riewoldt
7. Dayne Zorko
8. Nathan Grima
9. Brock McLean
10. Clinton Young
11. Ben Cunnington
12. Michael Johnson
13. Daniel Nicholson
14. Cameron Pedersen
15. Darren Jolly
16. Jamie MacMillan
17. Tom Hickey
18. Steven Morris
19. Tom Bell
20. Ashley McGrath
21. Aaron Edwards
22. Sam Butler
23. Clint Jones
24. Matt Maguire
25. Aaron Hall
26. Tommy Walsh
27. Taylor Hine
28. Michael Jamison
29. Ben Mabon
30. David Rodan
31. Levi Greenwood
32. Ben Johnson
33. Matt Shaw
34. Andrew Embley
35. Frazer Dale
36. Aaron Joseph
37. Jesse Crichton
38. Tom Curran
39. Jacob Gillbee
40. NAT Pick #39
41. NAT Pick #50
Delistings
Jacob Surjan (forced)
Sam Martyn
Justin Clarke
Jordan Kelly
Jesse White
Ben Speight
Aaron Davey
EDIT: Missed Embley...Aaron Davey gets the sack.
Cheers rb!
Just waiting on bomberboy0618, Nails, Holzman (who I know is coming), c4v3m4n (whoops, I should sent the email to Q, will do now), Hellopplz and pothead (who we need for the first 2 picks!)
Beijing List
- Matthew Kreuzer
- Josh Caddy
- Daniel Kerr
- Matt Rosa
- Harry Taylor
- Liam Shiels
- Rhyce Shaw
- Travis Varcoe
- Eddie Betts
- Brent Guerra
- Luke Tapscott
- Nat Pick 3
- Nat Pick 11
- Nat Pick 13
- Nat Pick 14
- Patrick Veszpremi
- Robbie Tarrant
- Lachie Neale
- Nat Pick 19
- Sam Kerridge
- Nat Pick 22
- Henry Schade
- Nat Pick 28
- Elliot Yeo
- Michael Talia
- Neville Jetta
- Aaron Cornelius
- Darren Glass
- Alan Toovey
- Dean Brogan
- Matt Spangher
- Josh Hunt
- Cale Hooker
- Scott Gumbleton
- Nat Pick 51
- Nat Pick 55
- Nat Pick 65
- Nat Pick 66
- Nat Pick 76
- Nat Pick 84
- Nat Pick 87
Forced delistingsRicky Dyson
Ryan Neates
Seamus McNamara
Warrick Andreoli
Addam Maric
Lindsay Gilbee
Ryan Hargrave
Mark McVeigh
Chance Bateman
Adam McPhee
Nathan Djerrkura
Clint Bartram (who you missed from the forced delistings Oss :) )
Additional delistingsJoel Wilkinson
Andrejs Everitt
Nick Salter
Ryan Neates
Shane Biggs
Danny Butcher
This should be all players accounted for.
Quote from: ossie85 on December 13, 2012, 11:11:18 AM
Cheers rb!
Just waiting on bomberboy0618, Nails, Holzman (who I know is coming), c4v3m4n (whoops, I should sent the email to Q, will do now), Hellopplz and pothead (who we need for the first 2 picks!)
Imagine the drama if Pot lost his picks! :o
Quote from: ossie85 on December 13, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
@Syd/pyro... Cameron Richardson? Listed or delisted?
Thanks everyone! Appreciate the work :)
Woops, forgot to list him in the delisted section after being so careful about having the right players listed. :-[
He's delisted. :)
Thanks BB!
I see what you are doing with the list, but I'm going to keep it like the others list (the draftees all go at the end)....
I can't find Jake King on that list... is he meant to be one of the Ryan Neates?
Cheers for Bartram!
Quote from: ossie85 on December 13, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Thanks BB!
I see what you are doing with the list, but I'm going to keep it like the others list (the draftees all go at the end)....
I can't find Jake King on that list... is he meant to be one of the Ryan Neates?
Cheers for Bartram!
Yeah that's fair enough Oss!
Yes he is supposed to be in the second one. Whoops.
List
1. T.Chaplin
2. J.Watts
3. A.Rance
4. S.Atley
5.J.Bootsma
6. S.Docherty
7. R.Schoenmakers
8. S.Frost
9. C Delaney
10. B.Thorton
11. D. Mundy
12. T.Boak
13. J.Redden
14. J. O'meara
15. B.Hill
16. T.Goldstein
17. D.Thomas
18. R.Gray
19. M.Clark
20. M.Hurley
21. N.Van Berlo
22. Z.Clarke
23. K.Harper
24 L.Hansen
25. S.Day
26. J.Green
27. A.Black
28. D.Markworth
29. J.Lamb
30. J.Walker
31. J.Stringer
32. A.Kennedy
33. T Murphy
34. J.Bruce
35. W Sierakowski
36. B.Martin
37. T.Davis
38. C.Eaderly
Delisted:
Lucas Cook
Cruize Garlett
Daniel Webb
Gavin Urquhart
S.Ried (GWS)
A.Hams
G.Ugle
K Aylett
B Dalziell
M.Warren
geez that was difficult would have liked to have been able to demote one of my guys to the rookie, is that possible?
That's possible after the national draft holz :)
Not sure how many you are allowed to demote though. I reckon since this is the first year of there actually being a rookie list you should be allowed to demote 2, but after that only one each year...
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 13, 2012, 06:19:32 PM
That's possible after the national draft holz :)
Not sure how many you are allowed to demote though. I reckon since this is the first year of there actually being a rookie list you should be allowed to demote 2, but after that only one each year...
yeah thought so, I wanted to keep Max Warren on my list looks like im going to have to delist him if i want to take my 3 picks.
Well hopefully you will be able to pick him back up in the rookie draft then :)
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 13, 2012, 06:33:13 PM
Well hopefully you will be able to pick him back up in the rookie draft then :)
Good thing i have rookie 1 than.
Yeah but would you want to take him with rookie 1? Could be better people out there...
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 13, 2012, 06:36:23 PM
Yeah but would you want to take him with rookie 1? Could be better people out there...
hopefully i get a mid with it i didnt want to delist him as i have no mids. All my picks will probably be on mids this year.
Quote from: Holzman on December 13, 2012, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 13, 2012, 06:36:23 PM
Yeah but would you want to take him with rookie 1? Could be better people out there...
hopefully i get a mid with it i didnt want to delist him as i have no mids. All my picks will probably be on mids this year.
You can delist the guy who I wanted you to trade to me purely because he lived in the same street as me. Has done his knee!
Still waiting on 4 teams.
(Pacific, Wellington, Buenos Aires, PNL)
For the four team remainings, if don't receive list lodgements, will assume that only the forced delistings are the only delistings.
This works out fine for Buenos Aires, Pacific (though they would forfeit there last 3 picks) and Wellington (would forfeit last 2 picks), but PNL is the bigger issues - I'd have to delist 4 extra players (last 4 drafted last year) and they'd receive no picks.
PNL Reindeers.
1. Matt Priddis
2. Cyril Rioli
3. Matthew Pavlich
4. Daniel Rich
5. Nathan Jones
6. Kade Simpson
7. Jarrod Harbrow
8. Luke Ball
9. Justin Westhoff
10. Phil Davis
11. Christian Howard
12. Jonathan Griffin
13. Luke McPharlin
14. Dylan Shiel
15. David Myers
16. Levi Casboult
17. Chad Wingard
18. Jonathan Patton
19. Jarrad Grant
20. Heath Grundy
21. Matthew Lobbe
22. Tom Lynch
23. Jackson Trengove
24. Nick Lower
25. Clay Smith
26. Elliot Kavanagh
27. Trent Dennis-Lane
28. Tyson Goldsack
29. Ayce Cordy
30. Farren Ray
31. Andrew McInnes
32. Matt Thomas
33. Beau Wilkes
34. Nathan Lovett-Murray
35. Liam Jones
36. Angus Graham
37. Brad McKenzie
38. Mitch Hallahan
39. Marley Williams
40. Jordan Lockyer
Delisted:
Adam Pattison
Sam Grimley
Tim Segrave
Piva Wright
Matthew Panos
Andrew McQualter
Thomas Jonas
Bradley Helbig
Marcus Davies
Adam Selwood
Sorry for delay guys, hopefully I've done it correctly. Only have 1 pick in the National draft, so gave in a list of 40 players :).
Wellington Warriors
1. Marc Murphy
2. Taylor Walker
3.Hamish McIntosh
4.Nathan Foley
5. Lenny Hayes
6. Sam Shaw
7. Sean Dempster
8. Mitch Golby
9. Tendai Mzungu
10. Robin Nahas
11. Isaac Smith
12. Shannon Byrnes
13. Liam Picken
14. Andrew Krakouer
15. Rohan Bewick
16. Nick Smith
17.Luke Mcguane
18. Adam Schneider
19. Leroy Jetta
20. Ryan Lester
21. Dennis Armfield
22. Patrick Karnezis
23. Jack Crisp
24.Joel Patfull
25.Tom Couch
26. Niall Mckeever
27. Rory Thompson
28. Travis Colyer
29. Campbell Brown
30. Patrick Wearden
31. Tom Downie
Retirements/Delistings
Josh Drummond (retired)
Brad Green (retired)
Michael Doughty (retired)
Jeremy Mcgovern
Ben Mckinley
Jordan Staley
Gibson Turner
Gerrick Weedon
Mitchell Curnow
Luke Rounds
Sam Menegola
James Hawksley
Andrew Boseley
Looks good HP!
pothead - Aaron Cornelius belong to Beijing (you traded him away). Will assume you have 30 players unless you tell me otherwise....
Quote from: ossie85 on December 14, 2012, 03:25:36 PM
Looks good HP!
pothead - Aaron Cornelius belong to Beijing (you traded him away). Will assume you have 30 players unless you tell me otherwise....
must of forgotten to delete him off my list ::) Well i will keep patrick wearden then instead of Cornelius
Will re-do our list
1. Ben Jacobs
2. Dom Cassisi
3. Garrick Ibbotson
4. Ben Rutten
5. Martin Mattner
6. Kyle Cheney
7. Nick Duigan
8. George Horlin-Smith
9. Zac Dawson
10. Shaun Edwards
11. Leigh Montagna
12. Sharrod Wellingham
13. Ryan Bastinac
14. Kyle Horsely
15. Jake Melksham
16. Rhys Palmer
17. Aaron Mullett
18. Callum Bartlett
19. Sam Dunnell
20. Simon Black
21. Matt White
22. Dylan Buckley
23. Max Bailey
24. David Hille
25. Brent Renouf.
26. Jarryd Blair
27. Daniel Giansiracusa
28. James Podsiadly
29. Terry Milera
30. Lewis Roberts-Thompson
31. Jordan Murdoch
32. Viv Michie
33. Justin Koschizke
34. Ian Callinan
35. Corey Dell'Olio.
36. Will Langford
37. NAT Pick 7
38. NAT Pick 17
Rookie Pick 8
Rookie Pick 26
Rookie Pick 44
Rookie Pick 62
AFL Delistings:
Sam Lonergan
Josh Dyson
Sam Sheldon
Josh Toy
Kyle Reimers
Brent Prismall
Jarrad Boumann
James Mulligan
Piers Flanagan
Nick Heyne
Brad Mangan
Chris Tarrant
Josh Fraser
Brad Miller
Club Delistings:
Dale Morris
NAT Pick 91
Rookie Pick 62
You're rookie picks don't count in your 41 players FS. How do you still not understand how this is working?
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 14, 2012, 05:06:26 PM
You're rookie picks don't count in your 41 players FS. How do you still not understand how this is working?
Yea mate the 41 players is prior to the 5 rookie picks. So you have to select 41 players including International Draft picks then later on as per rules we have a rookie draft to fill team.
Ok I see you've now taken the rookie picks out of your list, but why hav you delisted nat picks? That makes no sense since you only have a list of 36 players. After the international draft you are required to have a list of 41 players...
His not coach anymore anyway so why does it matter :P
Who isn't coach? ???
C4 will hate the fact you've delisted Luke Brown :p
Yeah why have you delisted him?
I think Q was doing the list just incase C4 wasn't able to send one in on time (today is the deadline I am pretty sure). Hopefully Q can see this and rethink the players I guess or C4 can put in the list he wants.
Whoops, that is a mistake :P
Will fix it up later.
So just nails left to submit his team. Don't understand why he hasn't yet since he is online so often...
Honestly I think if he doesn't name a list then he should be fired as coach...
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 15, 2012, 11:38:27 AM
So just nails left to submit his team. Don't understand why he hasn't yet since he is online so often...
I dont understand either, he has done this sort of thing before
Well he has been online the whole time and should have been skipped for his first Asians rookie pick but we were lenient and then again for his next pick gave him 5 hrs of being online before skipping him.
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 15, 2012, 11:58:12 AM
Honestly I think if he doesn't name a list then he should be fired as coach...
I think that's fair. He is just being difficult he is clearly online!
Quote from: Maca24 on December 15, 2012, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 15, 2012, 11:58:12 AM
Honestly I think if he doesn't name a list then he should be fired as coach...
I think that's fair. He is just being difficult he is clearly online!
+1
Tom Rockliff
Matthew Leuenberger
Chris Dawes
Sam Reid
Shane Savage
Ahmed Saad
Jeremy Howe
Ben Howlett
David Ellard
Todd Banfield
Sam Blease
Matthew Jaensch
Rhys Stanley
Daniel Talia
Tim Mohr
Curtly Hampton
Thomas Bugg
Matthew de Boer
Jason Tutt
Jordan Lisle
Jarrod Witts
Matthew Watson
Anthony Miles
Jamie Elliott
Tom Simpkin
Claye Beams
Luke Delaney
Jonathan Simpkin
Billy Longer
Adam Tomlinson
Tom Mitchell
Mitchell Grigg
Jackson Paine
Nathan Blee
Sam Gibson
Harry Cunningham
Tom Nicholls
Luke Brown
Delisted
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen
Cameron Wood
Steve Clifton
John Anthony
Matt Campbell
Andrew Strijk
Tom Schneider
Kelvin Lawrence
If c4 lodges then this is not the official list. If numbering needs to be done today then I guess I'll do it later :P
Cheers Q, numbering not needed :)
That's 38 players, meaning Pacific gets 3 picks (losing last 2 picks)
John Anthony!! Keep him.
Quote from: ossie85 on December 15, 2012, 02:46:42 PM
Cheers Q, numbering not needed :)
That's 38 players, meaning Pacific gets 3 picks (losing last 2 picks)
So we just wait on Nails then? Does Torp need to do one?
The current one for New Delhi is good enough IMO
Just been talking to Torp Oss and he will lodge to confirm to be sure. It will basically what has been lodged with 36 players and the 5 draft picks.
Cheers Ringo :)
Os what do you think of my suggestion that nails should be sacked if he doesn't list his team?
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 15, 2012, 06:14:33 PM
Os what do you think of my suggestion that nails should be sacked if he doesn't list his team?
According to another thread his list is "ready to go" so you do wonder what's taking so long.
I try not to comment re: Nails. It definitely goes against him though :(
They have until midnight tonight yeah?
Any particular time drafting starts?
1. Ben Jacobs
2. Dom Cassisi
3. Garrick Ibbotson
4. Simon Black
5. Jarryd Blair
6. Kyle Cheney
7. Nick Duigan
8. George Horlin-Smith
9. Zac Dawson
10. Shaun Edwards
11. Leigh Montagna
12. Sharrod Wellingham
13. Ryan Bastinac
14. Kyle Horsely
15. Jake Melksham
16. Rhys Palmer
17. Aaron Mullett
18. Terry Milera
19. Sam Dunnell
20. Ben Rutten
21. Matt White
22. Dylan Buckley
23. Max Bailey
24. David Hille
25. Brent Renouf.
26. Martin Mattner
27. Daniel Giansiracusa
28. James Podsiadly
29. Callum Bartlett
30. Lewis Roberts-Thompson
31. Jordan Murdoch
32. Viv Michie
33. Justin Koschizke
34. Ian Callinan
35. Corey Dell'Olio.
36. Will Langford
National Draft Picks (5):
7
17
79
81
85
AFL Delistings:
Sam Lonergan
Josh Dyson
Sam Sheldon
Josh Toy
Kyle Reimers
Brent Prismall
Jarrad Boumann
James Mulligan
Piers Flanagan
Nick Heyne
Brad Mangan
Chris Tarrant
Josh Fraser
Brad Miller
Club Delistings:
Dale Morris
Nails has held off posting his team cause of something between him and Oss :-\. I don't know specifics but to make sure it's recorded, I said I'll post Nails team list lodgements so that they are actually up (and will be counted).
Quote from: Nails on December 15, 2012, 11:05:37 PM
1. Dane Swan
2. Dean Cox
3. Matthew Boyd
4. Steve Johnson
5. Heath Scotland
6. Michael Barlow
7. Drew Petrie
8. Paul Chapman
9. Andrew Carrazzo
10. Brent Harvey
11. Scott D. Thompson
12. Kane Cornes
13. Daniel Cross
14. Sam Gilbert
15. Shaun Burgoyne
16. Robbie Warnock
17. Jarred Brennan
18. Jordie McKenzie
19. Jay Schulz
20. Chad Cornes
21. Jarrad Redden
22. Jordan Gysberts
23. Lin Jong
24. Paul Stewart
25. Kepler Bradley
26. Graham Johncock
27. Jesse O'Brien
28. Matt Dea
29. Tom Logan
30. Michael Osborne
31. Jarryd Lyons
32. Tim McIntyre
33. Steven Verrier
34. ND 53
35. ND 65
36. ND Sixty Nine
37. ND 70
38. ND 77
39. ND A
40. ND B
41. ND C
Forced Delistings:
David Wojo
Blake Bray
Cameron Bruce
Amon Buchanan
James Craig
Ben Dowdell
Brett Meredith
Dean Polo
James Craig
Simon Buckley
Michael Mascoulis
Will Young
Wait so nails isn't posting his team because he and ossie aren't getting along? Does this mean he will be getting someone else to post his team each round?
Thanks HP for posting that.
Sincere apologies that my dispute with Nails is impacting everyone else - all I won't to do is for us to stay out of each other's way.
Unfortunately, deliberately delaying the draft is something that shouldn't be done. So am taking away Nails first pick (#53) - not that big of a punishing as he gets that pick back at the end of the draft, but this is frustrating for me and for everyone else wanting to start the draft as soon as possible.
Again really sorry guys.
Quote from: Master Q on December 15, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
Tom Rockliff
Matthew Leuenberger
Chris Dawes
Sam Reid
Shane Savage
Ahmed Saad
Jeremy Howe
Ben Howlett
David Ellard
Todd Banfield
Sam Blease
Matthew Jaensch
Rhys Stanley
Daniel Talia
Tim Mohr
Curtly Hampton
Thomas Bugg
Matthew de Boer
Jason Tutt
Jordan Lisle
Jarrod Witts
Matthew Watson
Anthony Miles
Jamie Elliott
Tom Simpkin
Claye Beams
Luke Delaney
Jonathan Simpkin
Billy Longer
Adam Tomlinson
Tom Mitchell
Mitchell Grigg
Jackson Paine
Nathan Blee
Sam Gibson
Harry Cunningham
Tom Nicholls
Luke Brown
Delisted
Cameron Ellis-Yolmen
Cameron Wood
Steve Clifton
John Anthony
Matt Campbell
Andrew Strijk
Tom Schneider
Kelvin Lawrence
If c4 lodges then this is not the official list. If numbering needs to be done today then I guess I'll do it later :P
Hey guys,
Yet another apology. I really wish I could get on here more, but running a venue is tough work and incredibly time consuming. Looks like I got here just in time again. :-\ Sorry to keep you all.
Anyway, here is the Islanders official List Lodgement.
Pacific Islanders List Lodgement1. Tom Rockliff
2. Matthew Leuenberger
3. Chris Dawes
4. Sam Reid
5. Shane Savage
6. Ahmed Saad
7. Jeremy Howe
8. Ben Howlett
9. David Ellard
10. Todd Banfield
11. Sam Blease
12. Matthew Jaensch
13. Rhys Stanley
14. Daniel Talia
15. Tim Mohr
16. Curtly Hampton
17. Tomas Bugg
18. Matthew de Boer
19. Jason Tutt
20. Jordan Lisle
21. Jarrod Witts
22. Matthew Watson
23. Anthony Miles
24. Jamie Elliott
25. Tom Simpkin
26. Claye Beams
27. Luke Delaney
28. Jonathan Simpkin
29. Billy Longer
30. Adam Tomlinson
31. Tom Mitchell
32. Mitchell Grigg
33. Jackson Paine
34. Nathan Blee
35. Sam Gibson
36. Harry Cunningham
37. Tom Nicholls
38. Luke Brown
Official Delistings/RetirementsCameron Ellis-Yolmen
Cameron Wood
Steve Clifton
John Anthony
Matt Campbell
Andrew Strijk
Tom Schneider
Kelvin Lawrence
In conclusion, nothing has changed from Master Q's lodgement. I've just made it official. :P
And yeah, we understand that means that we lose two of our draft picks in the draft. All good.
Cheers c4 - and with that the draft is open!! Please see the rules on the front page :)
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
Thanks HP for posting that.
Sincere apologies that my dispute with Nails is impacting everyone else - all I won't to do is for us to stay out of each other's way.
Unfortunately, deliberately delaying the draft is something that shouldn't be done. So am taking away Nails first pick (#53) - not that big of a punishing as he gets that pick back at the end of the draft, but this is frustrating for me and for everyone else wanting to start the draft as soon as possible.
Again really sorry guys.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) deliberately delaying? I never once said I was deliberately delaying... I didn't have my team list finalised until this afternoon and have been at work since....
Quote from: ossie85 on November 19, 2012, 10:00:00 AM
List lodgement cut off being December 15.
So I lose a draft pick for submitting my team ON TIME?
Quote from: Nails on December 16, 2012, 12:43:58 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
Thanks HP for posting that.
Sincere apologies that my dispute with Nails is impacting everyone else - all I won't to do is for us to stay out of each other's way.
Unfortunately, deliberately delaying the draft is something that shouldn't be done. So am taking away Nails first pick (#53) - not that big of a punishing as he gets that pick back at the end of the draft, but this is frustrating for me and for everyone else wanting to start the draft as soon as possible.
Again really sorry guys.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) deliberately delaying? I never once said I was deliberately delaying... I didn't have my team list finalised until this afternoon and have been at work since....
He only asked me around like 9:30 I think so think harsh to take away first pick to be honest, putting personal issues aside. Others were also late entering it past day or even today (me included) and there was a deadline and it was posted before. Just think it's a bit much.
Sorry Nails, but it took just as much effort to give it to HP as it would to post it yourself.
Also this suggests:
Quote from: Nails on December 15, 2012, 02:20:53 PM
My worlds list is ready for submitting
I don't even need rookie picks in Asians... Just skip me for my remaining picks, I'll pick spuds that are left.
I can keep up with them easy as flower, it just depends how hard I try.
You had it ready to go at least 9 hours before HP did.
Please, just do your own thing, and I'll do mine. It doesn't have to be an issue
I'm going to use the power of logic here
To "delay" the draft, it'd involve me holding up pothead from taking his pick. Considering he has not been online for 29 hours... It'd make around half a dozen teams guilty of "delaying" the draft...
Also considering Torp's final lodgement was only 90 minutes before mine and AN OFFICIAL team lodgement from c4's team came AFTER mine...
Not sure how I 'DELAYED' the draft at all.
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:50:39 AM
Sorry Nails, but it took just as much effort to give it to HP as it would to post it yourself.
Also this suggests:
Quote from: Nails on December 15, 2012, 02:20:53 PM
My worlds list is ready for submitting
I don't even need rookie picks in Asians... Just skip me for my remaining picks, I'll pick spuds that are left.
I can keep up with them easy as flower, it just depends how hard I try.
You had it ready to go at least 9 hours before HP did.
Please, just do your own thing, and I'll do mine. It doesn't have to be an issue
It might have been 'ready' doesn't mean I wouldn't mind talking to PB about the team or other advice lines and getting their opinions. I'm sure 100% of teams posting their lists the second it was ready.
I did not delay the draft a single minute. I submitted WITHIN the deadline (WTF ARE DEADLINES FOR IF THEY'RE NOT DEADLINES?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!)
And mine wasn't the final official submitting...
Quote from: Nails on December 16, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
I'm going to use the power of logic here
To "delay" the draft, it'd involve me holding up pothead from taking his pick. Considering he has not been online for 29 hours... It'd make around half a dozen teams guilty of "delaying" the draft...
Also considering Torp's final lodgement was only 90 minutes before mine and AN OFFICIAL team lodgement from c4's team came AFTER mine...
Not sure how I 'DELAYED' the draft at all.
Pothead may have an email notification when he received a PM (like I do), in which case he might come online. Either way, I doubt you looked at pothead's activity before you decided to delay giving your lodgings for at least 9 hours.
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Nails on December 16, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
I'm going to use the power of logic here
To "delay" the draft, it'd involve me holding up pothead from taking his pick. Considering he has not been online for 29 hours... It'd make around half a dozen teams guilty of "delaying" the draft...
Also considering Torp's final lodgement was only 90 minutes before mine and AN OFFICIAL team lodgement from c4's team came AFTER mine...
Not sure how I 'DELAYED' the draft at all.
Pothead may have an email notification when he received a PM (like I do), in which case he might come online. Either way, I doubt you looked at pothead's activity before you decided to delay giving your lodgings for at least 9 hours.
Pothead is (imo) the most inactive coach in the WXV and falsely accusing me of not checking whether he's online or not doesn't change a thing. Like I previously mentioned I was also at work tonight... Not like I was sitting on the computer for 9 hours straight, rubbing my fingers together like Mr. Burns sniggering to myself about the non-delay I was causing.
And if he comes online from an email he /MIGHT/ get... why'd he let himself get a warning... :o
Please try not to let this get out of hand you two.
Sorry Nails, all I know is what people tell me.
You said your list was 'ready' at 1:30. But now you say it wasn't
You asked Hellopplz to submit your team for you.... and I honestly don't know why other than to make some kind of point that you don't like me. Your allowed to not like me, that's fine.
Bottom line, I put in a lot of time on this because I enjoy it. But still, is a lot of time. You said to me that "You wouldn't be worth my time", again that's your choice, but not something I'm willing to play games with.
You said to me that "You wouldn't be worth my time", again that's your choice, but not something I'm willing to play games with.
huh??????????????????????????????????
you make me confuse.
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Nails on December 16, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
I'm going to use the power of logic here
To "delay" the draft, it'd involve me holding up pothead from taking his pick. Considering he has not been online for 29 hours... It'd make around half a dozen teams guilty of "delaying" the draft...
Also considering Torp's final lodgement was only 90 minutes before mine and AN OFFICIAL team lodgement from c4's team came AFTER mine...
Not sure how I 'DELAYED' the draft at all.
Pothead may have an email notification when he received a PM (like I do), in which case he might come online. Either way, I doubt you looked at pothead's activity before you decided to delay giving your lodgings for at least 9 hours.
I'm with Nails on this one ossie.
The list lodgements were always due midnight 15th December. Nails got his list in before this time. Yes, the draft could have started earlier, but he played by the rules and got his lodgement in on time. Penalising him like this is harsh and it should be revoked.
And realistically, what is the rush? We've got months before the season is due to start. At this rate, we're going to have a giant lull in February where there is nothing on cause we've rushed through everything. Personally, I believe the draft shouldn't have started until next year, giving ALL coaches a break over Christmas and New Years.
Otherwise this game is going to become a 24/7, year-long affair, which I'm sure no-one can commit to. I know I can't.
Not confusing Nails, if you can't remember the things you say:
Quote from: Nails on December 03, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
You wouldn't be worth my time
Again, please stay out of my way, and I'll stay out of yours. Is really that simple
Quote from: c4v3m4n on December 16, 2012, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Nails on December 16, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
I'm going to use the power of logic here
To "delay" the draft, it'd involve me holding up pothead from taking his pick. Considering he has not been online for 29 hours... It'd make around half a dozen teams guilty of "delaying" the draft...
Also considering Torp's final lodgement was only 90 minutes before mine and AN OFFICIAL team lodgement from c4's team came AFTER mine...
Not sure how I 'DELAYED' the draft at all.
Pothead may have an email notification when he received a PM (like I do), in which case he might come online. Either way, I doubt you looked at pothead's activity before you decided to delay giving your lodgings for at least 9 hours.
I'm with Nails on this one ossie.
The list lodgements were always due midnight 15th December. Nails got his list in before this time. Yes, the draft could have started earlier, but he played by the rules and got his lodgement in on time. Penalising him like this is harsh and it should be revoked.
And realistically, what is the rush? We've got months before the season is due to start. At this rate, we're going to have a giant lull in February where there is nothing on cause we've rushed through everything. Personally, I believe the draft shouldn't have started until next year, giving ALL coaches a break over Christmas and New Years.
Otherwise this game is going to become a 24/7, year-long affair, which I'm sure no-one can commit to. I know I can't.
I'm just not willing to play little mind games is all c4, I don't think I deserve it, I don't think the league deserves it
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 01:07:05 AM
Quote from: c4v3m4n on December 16, 2012, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Nails on December 16, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
I'm going to use the power of logic here
To "delay" the draft, it'd involve me holding up pothead from taking his pick. Considering he has not been online for 29 hours... It'd make around half a dozen teams guilty of "delaying" the draft...
Also considering Torp's final lodgement was only 90 minutes before mine and AN OFFICIAL team lodgement from c4's team came AFTER mine...
Not sure how I 'DELAYED' the draft at all.
Pothead may have an email notification when he received a PM (like I do), in which case he might come online. Either way, I doubt you looked at pothead's activity before you decided to delay giving your lodgings for at least 9 hours.
I'm with Nails on this one ossie.
The list lodgements were always due midnight 15th December. Nails got his list in before this time. Yes, the draft could have started earlier, but he played by the rules and got his lodgement in on time. Penalising him like this is harsh and it should be revoked.
And realistically, what is the rush? We've got months before the season is due to start. At this rate, we're going to have a giant lull in February where there is nothing on cause we've rushed through everything. Personally, I believe the draft shouldn't have started until next year, giving ALL coaches a break over Christmas and New Years.
Otherwise this game is going to become a 24/7, year-long affair, which I'm sure no-one can commit to. I know I can't.
I'm just not willing to play little mind games is all c4, I don't think I deserve it, I don't think the league deserves it
You're trying to find problems when there really are none.
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 01:05:53 AM
Not confusing Nails, if you can't remember the things you say:
Quote from: Nails on December 03, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
You wouldn't be worth my time
Again, please stay out of my way, and I'll stay out of yours. Is really that simple
Still have no idea what you're on about... you're the one who blocked me because I stood up for myself when I posted /my/ opinion in /my/ thread.
You never even expressed a problem with me, we could've sat down like gents behind our computer screens and discussed any issues (I was unaware of) but instead you just chose to ninja block me.
And if we're going to bring up PMs
QuoteYou will have to stay on top of the Worlds comp via other means, because I will not send you anything either.
By not PM'n me the same material you'll PM the other 15 coaches, I'll always (most likely) find out later, therefore take longer to reply and therefore slightly delay the competition for every trade vote, every time a community decision needs to be made, everytime everything...
Therefore multiple delays of the competition vs. zero from my mind
(I wasn't even the last list lodgement)
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 01:07:05 AM
Quote from: c4v3m4n on December 16, 2012, 01:05:15 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Nails on December 16, 2012, 12:51:11 AM
I'm going to use the power of logic here
To "delay" the draft, it'd involve me holding up pothead from taking his pick. Considering he has not been online for 29 hours... It'd make around half a dozen teams guilty of "delaying" the draft...
Also considering Torp's final lodgement was only 90 minutes before mine and AN OFFICIAL team lodgement from c4's team came AFTER mine...
Not sure how I 'DELAYED' the draft at all.
Pothead may have an email notification when he received a PM (like I do), in which case he might come online. Either way, I doubt you looked at pothead's activity before you decided to delay giving your lodgings for at least 9 hours.
I'm with Nails on this one ossie.
The list lodgements were always due midnight 15th December. Nails got his list in before this time. Yes, the draft could have started earlier, but he played by the rules and got his lodgement in on time. Penalising him like this is harsh and it should be revoked.
And realistically, what is the rush? We've got months before the season is due to start. At this rate, we're going to have a giant lull in February where there is nothing on cause we've rushed through everything. Personally, I believe the draft shouldn't have started until next year, giving ALL coaches a break over Christmas and New Years.
Otherwise this game is going to become a 24/7, year-long affair, which I'm sure no-one can commit to. I know I can't.
I'm just not willing to play little mind games is all c4, I don't think I deserve it, I don't think the league deserves it
That's for others to say. :-X
Nails has done nothing wrong all season and he's been a fantastic coach. And yet suddenly, he's being punished for playing by the rules. Ouch. :-X
(No offence to meow), but where are his sactions for disappearing randomly throughout for the year?
I don't fully understand what happened with FS (only just hearing about it now), but that too seems rash.
All year, there haven't been any sanctions or penalties, and all of sudden, bang bang. Sacked and draft pick revoked. Huh? Something doesn't seem quite right.
I guess the central point is that I do not know why you would ask HP to submit your list for you, other than to make some kind of point. Up until then, I was more than happy to give you until the deadline without question.
I take your point about being 'gents', but I have a very busy life outside this (as I'm sure you do also). You want to be talk behind my back (which you admit you 'might' have done, and I know you did), and say I'm not worth your time. That's fine. Not sure why I need to seek you out though and ask why you do those things.
@c4, FisherSaints was something that other coaches asked me to act on. Wasn't my doing that one, I gave FisherSaints so many opportunities to explain, but he couldn't. I really, really, really, really DIDN'T want to do that.
How about we take the week off and resume things on Friday? Everyone needs/deserves a break I think...
What did FS need to explain? ???
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 16, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
What did FS need to explain? ???
Why he had the same IP/hostname as Carltonrok.
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 16, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
What did FS need to explain? ???
He and carltonrok shared an IPS address, apparently after saying they didn't share a computer. Leaving some coaches to believe they were the same person. I asked if they were, he said they were cousins. I asked why he didn't tell us that he'd left for a trip when we were doing the initial draft, he said he should of but didn't. I asked him about the logic behind his trading plan, his answers were inconsistent. I asked him why his list lodgment was so poor, he couldn't answer that either. I asked him if was committed, he couldn't really answer that either. I looked so hard for a reason to keep him as coach :(
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 16, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
What did FS need to explain? ???
He and carltonrok shared an IPS address, apparently after saying they didn't share a computer. Leaving some coaches to believe they were the same person. I asked if they were, he said they were cousins. I asked why he didn't tell us that he'd left for a trip when we were doing the initial draft, he said he should of but didn't. I asked him about the logic behind his trading plan, his answers were inconsistent. I asked him why his list lodgment was so poor, he couldn't answer that either. I asked him if was committed, he couldn't really answer that either. I looked so hard for a reason to keep him as coach :(
Do we have actual proof that he shared an IP address or are we going on someone's word? :-X
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: CrowsFan on December 16, 2012, 01:29:50 AM
What did FS need to explain? ???
He and carltonrok shared an IPS address, apparently after saying they didn't share a computer. Leaving some coaches to believe they were the same person. I asked if they were, he said they were cousins. I asked why he didn't tell us that he'd left for a trip when we were doing the initial draft, he said he should of but didn't. I asked him about the logic behind his trading plan, his answers were inconsistent. I asked him why his list lodgment was so poor, he couldn't answer that either. I asked him if was committed, he couldn't really answer that either. I looked so hard for a reason to keep him as coach :(
This is kind of what happened but I think some things are getting lost in translation.
Some key differences that alter the story entirely.
I'm not going to go into it here though...
*was not the one that went to os about FS by the by.
Ah ok thanks. Seems like a weird situation...
Sorry to ask, but who's Carltonrok?
Ex-coach of the Pacific Islanders.
Don't really know too much else about him tbh.
So FS potentially could of drafted two sides??
I don't understand the issue about nails- his list was lodged well within the specified time by hp- why it was lodged by hp isn't really a concern, nails could have had internet issues etc. we don't know, but he had also confirmed this was the correct list lodging before the lockout as well. I don't understand why he should be sanctioned :S
As for FS and carltonroks... they mightn't have even known they'd used the same computer- for instance if they'd both used their grandfathers internet unwittingly, as for why FS's list was a bit odd, I haven't looked at it in detail, but it was legible and understandable right? in the nicest way possible, FS isn't the oldest or most experienced coach, if what he was doing was clear, let it slide imo.
Well that was a bit deep coming bome drunk on a satday night
Quote from: Ziplock on December 16, 2012, 02:29:17 AM
I don't understand the issue about nails- his list was lodged well within the specified time by hp- why it was lodged by hp isn't really a concern, nails could have had internet issues etc. we don't know, but he had also confirmed this was the correct list lodging before the lockout as well. I don't understand why he should be sanctioned :S
Internet issues don't make sense - would have taken the same effort to post it himself versus emailing HP. Also, HP said he was holding off posting because "something between" us. As far as I'm aware, this hasn't been disputed. I'm not going to put up with that kind of stuff. I'm doing my best to be polite, but I'm not going to have constant pot shots at me. Seriously, all that needs to happen is Nails and I to stay out of each other's way. That's all I want.
In the end, I took away pick 53 - which isn't an earth shattering thing to do. I gave away my team, because I wanted to take some control over the rules and issues like this.
Quote from: Ziplock on December 16, 2012, 02:29:17 AM
As for FS and carltonroks... they mightn't have even known they'd used the same computer- for instance if they'd both used their grandfathers internet unwittingly, as for why FS's list was a bit odd, I haven't looked at it in detail, but it was legible and understandable right? in the nicest way possible, FS isn't the oldest or most experienced coach, if what he was doing was clear, let it slide imo.
Either FS and carltonrok are the same person (unlikely), or he didn't do a thing to help us when carltonrok disappeared (which isn't really fair on everyone else when we were trying to work out how to go forward). As you suggest "FS isn't the oldest or most experienced coach". I really looked for a reason not to remove him, I really did. I sent a whole bunch of emails, trying to work out what was going on, and the answers didn't make sense and at times were contradictory.
Sid said "This is kind of what happened but I think some things are getting lost in translation.", but this is what I could get from my own emails with him, not from what people told me.
Having both things happen (Nails and FS) happen at the same time is unfortunate, but a coincidence. C4, you made a point earlier that suggested you think I'm being harsh. With the exception of a very bad outburst against bomberboy (which I was completely wrong and apologised for), I think I've been very reasonable and I think I've listened to you guys, your ideas and your opinions. I want to implement a 'resting' rule and a salary cap, but I'm not going to because there is concern about this is the group.
Whenever someone disappears, I contact assistant coaches trying to make sure they don't get sacked. You mentioned meow before c4, but if I was to be honest many times I've had to track down Q for you. This is something I want to do for everyone, because this competition should get better every year, and a couple of MIA weeks shouldn't count in the long run.
I send reminders every week, which honestly I shouldn't have to, but don't mind doing. I process scores, collect statistics and record a history. All of this takes time, which I don't mind, because I enjoy it.
So when somebody talks smack about me, says he doesn't have time for me, and gets someone else to post for him for no other reason to make an unknown point against me - all of which is his right. But I should have the right to ignore him. I should have the right to continue to try and enjoy this game, and I should have the right to make reasonable (and pick 53 is reasonable) actions when he is impacting the game. Whether he delayed it or not isn't really the issue, and probably right he likely didn't, but the risk was there and I believe was done to have a shot at me.
Thanks everyone for your input here, it shows that people care about what happens. Which I think is terrific
Oh well, lessons (hopefully ) learnt, let's please move on and have some fun at drafting! :)
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 16, 2012, 09:01:48 AM
Oh well, lessons (hopefully ) learnt, let's please move on and have some fun at drafting! :)
Agree Purple!
Btw, I should rename round 4 of the Draft "Berlin's Round" lol
Quote from: ossie85 on December 16, 2012, 09:07:53 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 16, 2012, 09:01:48 AM
Oh well, lessons (hopefully ) learnt, let's please move on and have some fun at drafting! :)
Agree Purple!
Btw, I should rename round 4 of the Draft "Berlin's Round" lol
YES!
I really hoped someone would notice!!! lol, that thought did occur to me as well when I realised I had so many :)
NO not lesson learnt. Don't be so blind because he's your brother purple.
This isn't NAZI flowerING GERMANY. That's my pick. Deadlines are there for a REASON and I submitted WITHIN the deadline. And I wasn't even the last official list lodgement. This is ridiculous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Ossie I said next year's tactic. I said nothing about this years. I have been so busy with my mum in hospital. The reason I am on FF is for WXV. I am not Crok, he is my cousin. His parents work as a nurse and doctor so they aren't around so he is at my house very often
Quote from: FisherSaints on December 16, 2012, 11:28:07 AM
Ossie I said next year's tactic. I said nothing about this years. I have been so busy with my mum in hospital. The reason I am on FF is for WXV. I am not Crok, he is my cousin. His parents work as a nurse and doctor so they aren't around so he is at my house very often
This.
You seem to have said they shared the same IP address so they must have used the same computer... because they said they hadn't used the same computer clearly they were lying (at least insinuated)
This shows once again how ill informed you are, quick to rush to make decisions and without even consulting the public anymore. In the past you at least put to a vote would should be done with Buenos Aires, now all of a sudden FS is sacked without question?
Now, you assumed (and you made an ass) that they had shared the same computer, at least that's the insinuation. Any vast number of computers using the same router will display the identical IP to the outside world. e.g. You can have someone on an ipad and a laptop - same IP, difference devices
2 different desktops - same IP to outside world
1 laptop 1 desktop - "
Just because they had the "same IP" a couple times doesn't mean they were explicitly cheating and in the past (according to what has been said) it wasn't a problem when they said they hadn't used the same computer. So now when there's no proof they haven't/aren't the same person etc. it's NOW he gets removed?
Quote from: FisherSaints on December 16, 2012, 11:28:07 AM
I said nothing about this years.
Really sorry to hear about your mum FS, really am...
I'm asking for clarity is all... Your trading strategy seems to be to reverse this year's trading strategy? Is that a change of mind? I'm still not sure why wouldn't tell us about carltonrok last year. Seems an odd thing to do is all. I believe you though.... I really don't want to lose you, and I reckon most of us want to keep you on, including me....
Sigh :( I follow up complaints, and as usual it gets complicated. I'll ask the person who raised the complaint to see what they want to do
@Nails, I asked many questions about FisherSaints. The reason why I don't put as many things to vote, is I no longer have a team. This seemed to be accepted. I never made an assumption, someone complained, I asked questions.
I also believe FisherSaints when he says they are different people. If you read my comments in this thread, you'll see that's never been my belief they are the same person.
Nails, I'd also be willing to reconsider the pick 53 issue if you tell me why you asked HP to post your team. It can't have been internet issues. If it was done to have a shot at me, well, that's not something I can accept. What reason was it?
Thanks ossie, she is getting better but still reasonably sick.
Torp and I talked tactics for next year and we both agreed. It is a complete change for last year I know but we know we have to do it
I guess that's what I'm after FS, thanks for that, an admission it was a change of tactics - that's what wasn't being made clear. Sorry for all the stress caused by this. If you see my post in the Discussion thread, I did say 'until further notice' as a get out clause in case things became clear. Still waiting on feedback from other person
I'm getting tired of this Nails discussion though. The delay thing was probably a poor reason to give initially (though Nails - Torp's lodgement before yours and Q's after were nothing more than confirmations, no changes. Your list lodgement was 8-9 hours after the last - but this doesn't really matter).
I think Nails asking someone else to post his team was poor and aimed at me, is this paranoia? I don't know, Nails has yet to give a reason, and internet problems simply don't make sense.
I think that Nails hasn't breached any rules. Someone said earlier that we have plenty of time to finish this. Torp and c4 simply re-posted their lists. The draft is started. I think Nails keeps his pick but just next time he needs to respond quicker. We are in no rush
Quote from: FisherSaints on December 16, 2012, 12:17:42 PM
I think that Nails hasn't breached any rules. Someone said earlier that we have plenty of time to finish this. Torp and c4 simply re-posted their lists. The draft is started. I think Nails keeps his pick but just next time he needs to respond quicker. We are in no rush
It's not really the time it took for the list lodgement, it's the reason why he asked HP to post it instead of himself. Around 1ish yesterday Nails said his list was ready to go. HP said he was "holding off" lodging because of our dispute. It's hard not to interpret that as holding back his list on purpose. I'm happy for Nails to say his version of events, but he has yet to do so.
He didn't break any rules... It's clear you two don't get on but it shouldn't have an effect on his team.
Can we chill on this guys. We need to realise that we have a wide spread of ages in coaches and this is not intended to offend anyone but levels of understanding differ and what may seem clear to some is not as easy to understand by others,
I am aware from both sides and just think it is time to draw a line in the sand and start afresh for the sake of the competition. I too were concerned with some of the trades at the Tigers but did not complain.
This may mean some change of attitudes towards each other but may be needed if we are to move on.
My suggestions are to re-instate Nails 53 pick as he made deadline. Nails to continue posting in the thread and to receive coaches PM's as well.
We reinstate Fisher Saints as co coach of the Tigers. Think we need to accept his explanation for the change in strategy and possible double teams.
Ossie as administrator of the comp and after being relatively lenient last year may be time to really reinforce penalty situations. probably good idea to re define the weekly rules and expectations to make the job you do easier. You should not have to spend your time chasing either so define the rules to all. do not chase and then issue first warnings if rules breached.
This is a great competition and would hate to see it ruined by personal in fighting and grudges.
My opinion from the sidelines.
Quote from: Ringo on December 16, 2012, 02:44:41 PM
Can we chill on this guys. We need to realise that we have a wide spread of ages in coaches and this is not intended to offend anyone but levels of understanding differ and what may seem clear to some is not as easy to understand by others,
I am aware from both sides and just think it is time to draw a line in the sand and start afresh for the sake of the competition. I too were concerned with some of the trades at the Tigers but did not complain.
This may mean some change of attitudes towards each other but may be needed if we are to move on.
My suggestions are to re-instate Nails 53 pick as he made deadline. Nails to continue posting in the thread and to receive coaches PM's as well.
We reinstate Fisher Saints as co coach of the Tigers. Think we need to accept his explanation for the change in strategy and possible double teams.
Ossie as administrator of the comp and after being relatively lenient last year may be time to really reinforce penalty situations. probably good idea to re define the weekly rules and expectations to make the job you do easier. You should not have to spend your time chasing either so define the rules to all. do not chase and then issue first warnings if rules breached.
This is a great competition and would hate to see it ruined by personal in fighting and grudges.
My opinion from the sidelines.
Think that is for the best as well IMO
Hi Ringo - yes, you're right. I should redefine the 'penalty' situation. Something I'm thinking about is if someone misses submitting a team, they are penalised 1 point (4 points for a win like in the AFL). But haven't ironed all that out yet.
Seems I'm very much in the minority here guys, and that's fine, I'm willing to turn that opinion around. Nails has pick 53 back. The FisherSaints issue WAS NOT of my making though, I just followed up on a complaint, so I will wait back until I hear back from the original person.
But you guys need to decide how much power you give me - I became independent on the understanding I would have some unilateral say, but this seems to upset people (who didn't object initially). But when I make decisions, people jump up and down. Give me some clarity, I don't want to put every decision to a vote.
I should also say that I thought the penalty (pick 53) was pretty lenient, and likely would not have made a substantial - if any - difference. I mis-judged the reaction.
I really must stress though, I won't accept any more negative comments from Nails. It is a simple thing in the end, but I have no patience for it.
Ossie created the 15s and he has done a brilliant job in the worlds soo far. I'm happy to go with whatever he says as it has got us in a good position by doing it soo far
Quote from: Holzman on December 16, 2012, 06:49:47 PM
Ossie created the 15s and he has done a brilliant job in the worlds soo far. I'm happy to go with whatever he says as it has got us in a good position by doing it solo far
Thats exactly right, he has asked nothing unreasonable of us.
Ossie you're doing a fantastic job :)
Think you deserve more support and recognition.
That being said, I still believe that BIG changes involving rules should always be put to a vote.
Oss, I have loved everything that you've done up to this point, but honestly, Nails should not lose his first round pick...
Quote from: My Chumps on December 16, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
Oss, I have loved everything that you've done up to this point, but honestly, Nails should not lose his first round pick...
It has been given back I believe
Quote from: Purple 77 on December 16, 2012, 08:24:17 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on December 16, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
Oss, I have loved everything that you've done up to this point, but honestly, Nails should not lose his first round pick...
It has been given back I believe
Ahh okay, cheers Purps.
Quote from: My Chumps on December 16, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
Oss, I have loved everything that you've done up to this point, but honestly, Nails should not lose his first round pick...
Just to clarify, it was a fourth round pick, but doesn't matter anymore :)
Oh wow I'm making an arse of myself here :P
I meant his first pick haha.
Love your work oss keep it up mate.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on December 16, 2012, 04:57:49 AM
Well that was a bit deep coming bome drunk on a satday night
howd you know I was drunk?
ftr os, it was a very lenient punishment, honestly I wouldnt have cared much if we lost 54. I just didnt understand what we were losing it for :P
Quote from: Ziplock on December 17, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on December 16, 2012, 04:57:49 AM
Well that was a bit deep coming bome drunk on a satday night
howd you know I was drunk?
ftr os, it was a very lenient punishment, honestly I wouldnt have cared much if we lost 54. I just didnt understand what we were losing it for :P
Glad to see we got it back Ossie :) hopefully we can be friendly if you opt to reply to me.
And zippy... it's our no.1 Nat Draft pick so I'd much prefer it than get another sucky like 100+ pick :X