The fixture is out and the first thing I looked at after checking out Richmonds fixture wsa the bye structure to plan my SC team around in 2013. It is as follows
Round 11 bye
Brisbane, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Port, Richmond, Bulldog
Round 12 bye
Geelong, Melbourne, North, St.Kilda, Sydney, Wcoast
Round 13
Adelaide, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Goldcoast, GWS
How does this affect the planning of your team?
The stand out to me was the way I will plan my forward line with a lot of the big forwards sharing a bye.
Also the midfielders that share round 13 will make it hard
Without thinking too hard , I reckon I will just tank rd13. :'(
Could be a popular option tbone.
The problem with any planning for byes is that like this year, there were all of a sudden injuries and restings and it threw everyones carefully planned structure out the window
I tried planning my team for the byes at the start of the year last year. Didn't work too well.
Might just cross that bridge when I come to it.
Learnt my lesson this year Quinny put a fair bit of effort into planning for the byes and then got decimated by injuries.
This year I will be selecting my best team for round one and worry about the byes around Round 9. This is assuming Rules will remain the same for SC.
Quote from: Ringo on October 31, 2012, 01:14:23 PM
Learnt my lesson this year Quinny put a fair bit of effort into planning for the byes and then got decimated by injuries.
This year I will be selecting my best team for round one and worry about the byes around Round 9. This is assuming Rules will remain the same for SC.
Yeah I actually do remember you having things planned out quite well Ringo.
You have to plan again somewhat though surely? No sense in starting 4 prems from the same bye in a position?
Quote from: quinny88 on October 31, 2012, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 31, 2012, 01:14:23 PM
Learnt my lesson this year Quinny put a fair bit of effort into planning for the byes and then got decimated by injuries.
This year I will be selecting my best team for round one and worry about the byes around Round 9. This is assuming Rules will remain the same for SC.
Yeah I actually do remember you having things planned out quite well Ringo.
You have to plan again somewhat though surely? No sense in starting 4 prems from the same bye in a position?
Just to clarify I plan to select my prems based on the bye structure and if possible have no more than 3 on the same line with the bye. As an example rethinking one of my ruck options in Nat and Hmac.
Yep, fair enough, Ill be doing the same I think
I think we'll get extra trades this year during the bye rounds.
Quote from: Anubis on October 31, 2012, 02:29:43 PM
I think we'll get extra trades this year during the bye rounds.
Its looking that way, but that doesn't mean your gonna trade out a prem so will still have to plan your prems around bye's
Looking at the draw now, and this may possibly change over the course of the season, I think my strategy will be as follows:
Ensure I have 3 keepers in def, mids, and forwards, if possible, playing during Round 11 and 12 byes. Do not worry about Round 13.
Looking at some of the early teams posted there are some real bye problems.
main 2 lines you need to think about bye structure is mids and rucks otherwise i would not worry last season i just started with the best team i could and it worked well even during byes
With the rule change to allow only the top 18 scores to count in the 3 bye rounds no need to really tank either. Only need to ensure you have 18 scorers on the field. Using DPP this should be quite achievable without using additional trades during the period.
Quote from: Ringo on December 05, 2012, 02:43:24 PM
With the rule change to allow only the top 18 scores to count in the 3 bye rounds no need to really tank either. Only need to ensure you have 18 scorers on the field. Using DPP this should be quite achievable without using additional trades during the period.
How many dpp options you reckon we will need now Ringo??
Quote from: noto07 on December 05, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: Ringo on December 05, 2012, 02:43:24 PM
With the rule change to allow only the top 18 scores to count in the 3 bye rounds no need to really tank either. Only need to ensure you have 18 scorers on the field. Using DPP this should be quite achievable without using additional trades during the period.
How many dpp options you reckon we will need now Ringo??
Will depend on team structures but with the number of B/c and F/c you will need at least those 2. There are a few B/F DPP you could use if needed. I will be using R/F myself at this stage given the number of R/F available with both Cox and Nic Nat having DPP for starters. This may change though as time goes on.
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
If only it were that easy haha!
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
If only it were that easy haha!
it is that easy best 18 player scores count do the maths
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
agree with the thought KB. Know it is early days but getting players for Round 12 at the moment is a little difficult. Looking at 10/9/11 structure at the moment which is still OK.
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
If only it were that easy haha!
it is that easy best 18 player scores count do the maths
Oh ok psychic.. So you can take into consideration.. Injuries, suspension, rests, players being dropped ?
The stupidity of some people amazes me :o
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Quote from: noto07 on December 05, 2012, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
If only it were that easy haha!
it is that easy best 18 player scores count do the maths
Oh ok psychic.. So you can take into consideration.. Injuries, suspension, rests, players being dropped ?
The stupidity of some people amazes me :o
your the idiot it's still the best way to tackle the byes honestly most of your posts are complete rubbish not even worth reading
Quote from: noto07 on December 05, 2012, 07:17:32 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 07:04:43 PM
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
If only it were that easy haha!
it is that easy best 18 player scores count do the maths
Oh ok psychic.. So you can take into consideration.. Injuries, suspension, rests, players being dropped ?
The stupidity of some people amazes me :o
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mate, it's logically the best structure :S
yeah, injuries, suspension can still hit- but, with a 10/10/10 structure and best 18 counting, that gives you a 2 player reserve. On top of that, you get 3 trades during the byes (I presume its going to be the same), and while those wouldnt be amazingly useful in round 11, it means essentially you can cover up to 5 injuries, suspensions or droppings per round.
if you flower with that line up, and go lets say
9/10/11, which would be the next best line up, during the 3rd by round, you only have access to 1 extra reserve players, although the 3 trades would be more flexible, since you can trade in round 11 or 12 players
if you went something like 12/9/9 though, it means during round 11, you only have 18 possible scoring players, despite injuries and suspension- andthe 3 trades would be more annoying than anything else, as you have to trade in players that you know will be missing the next couple of weeks.
basically that was a pretty stupid comment- obviously 10/10/10 is clearly one of the best structures, the only ones that could even possibly be argued for a better line up would be ones like 9/10/11 where you basically maximise the number of round 13/ 12 players, since your trades will be more flexible by then.
... Anyway!
I am much more of the pick your team now and deal with the structure and that afterwards.
I went ahead and picked my desired team and it turned out pretty balanced!!
Currently rolling with 9/9/12 or 10/9/11.
The or is there because I'm tossing up between two smokies :P
I think either of these would be fine. You can trade around the byes if desperate :D
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 08:02:32 PM
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
If only it were that easy haha!
it is that easy best 18 player scores count do the maths
Oh ok psychic.. So you can take into consideration.. Injuries, suspension, rests, players being dropped ?
The stupidity of some people amazes me :o
your the idiot it's still the best way to tackle the byes honestly most of your posts are complete rubbish not even worth reading
Oh the irony lol
I put together an example team to demonstrate how you can avoid donuts during the byes.
This is just an exercise in showing how it could be achieved in an ideal world with no injuries, suspensions, players available etc.
I put a truckload of work into the bye structure of my team last year and when I finally got to R11-13 I was still eating 3-5 donuts a round.
This is not a realistic team either, its fairly weak, you would have upgraded a few time by R11 and you would be thousands of points behind the overall leader.
However, please entertain me.
TEAM NAME: Bye avoidance.
A player with the bye in R11 is highlighted in green.
A player with the bye in R12 is hightlighted in blue.
A player with the bye in R13 is highlighted in red.
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Gibbs, S. Atley, C. Yarran, C. Pedersen, J. Pittard (B. Staker, D. Terlich)
MID: M. Murphy, J. Bartel, D. Mundy, J. Ziebell, J. Caddy, L. Ball, O. Wines, T. Menzel (J. O'Meara, J. Viney)
RUC: N. Naitanui, S. Hampson (M. Leuenberger, A. Cordy)
FWD: L. Franklin, D. Cox, P. Ryder, M. Robinson, C. Knights, M. LeCras (T. Varcoe, B. Macaffer)
CASH LEFT: $162,400.
In R11 your starting 22 would be:
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Gibbs, S. Atley, C. Yarran, C. Pedersen, D. Terlich
MID: M. Murphy, J. Bartel, J. Ziebell, J. Caddy, L. Ball, T. Menzel, . O'Meara, J. Viney
RUC: N. Naitanui, S. Hampson
FWD: D. Cox, P. Ryder, M. Robinson, M. LeCras, T. Varcoe, B. Macaffer
3 hypothetical trades prior to R12.
D.Terlich -> B.Stratton.
J.Caddy -> T.Liberatore.
M.LeCras -> D.Martin.
In R12 your starting 22 would be:
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Gibbs, C. Yarran, J. Pittard, B. Staker, B.Stratton
MID: M. Murphy, D. Mundy,T.Liberatore, L. Ball, O. Wines, T. Menzel, J. O'Meara, C. Knights
RUC:M. Leuenberger, A. Cordy
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Hampson P. Ryder, M. Robinson, D.Martin, B. Macaffer
( Bartel and Knights switched from MID to FWD and vice versa. Hamspon and Cox switched from RUC to FWD and vice versa )
3 hypothetical trades prior to R13.
C.Yarran -> A.Rance
L.Ball-> A.Gaff
B.Macaffer -> C.Mayne
In R13 your starting 22 would be:
DEF: S. Atley, A.Rance, C. Pedersen, J. Pittard, B. Staker, B.Stratton
MID: J. Bartel, D. Mundy, J. Ziebell, T.Liberatore, A.Gaff, O. Wines, J. Viney, C. Knights
RUC: M. Leuenberger, A. Cordy
FWD: L. Franklin, D. Cox, N. Naitanui, D.Martin, T. Varcoe, C.Mayne
( Bartel and Menzel switched from MID to FWD and vice versa. Hamspon and Naitanui switched from RUC to FWD and vice versa )
So theoretically, it can be done by utilising 6 trades, RUC/FWD and MID/FWD players combined with the correct bye structure of players.
the doughnuts are not a major issue, since in the byes only best 18 scorers count- so you could theoretically have no rucks play, and 2 defenders not play, and still top score for the round :)
Sorry just to clear this up.. the 18 best scorers from your list of 30 will make up your weekly score?
So despite position or weather they are on the bench or field, its just the best 18?
Have you got a link confirming this quinny. I have not seen any confirmation of this on the HS site as yet. Heard the the rumours but seen nothing in writing anywhere. Maybe for Dreamteam but not Supercoach,
i cant find a good link for it but it's not a rumour there officual facebook page confirmed it
Thanks KB do not have facebook (still a dinosaur) so that is why I have not seen it.
Is it correct though best 18 scores regardless of whether being on the field or not?
Quote from: Ringo on December 06, 2012, 11:29:52 AM
Thanks KB do not have facebook (still a dinosaur) so that is why I have not seen it.
Is it correct though best 18 scores regardless of whether being on the field or not?
i cant confirm that and being 100% sure but i'd strongly say so or the rule is pretty useless isnt it?
Quote from: Ringo on December 06, 2012, 11:15:03 AM
Have you got a link confirming this quinny. I have not seen any confirmation of this on the HS site as yet. Heard the the rumours but seen nothing in writing anywhere. Maybe for Dreamteam but not Supercoach,
I cant confirm anything, Im asking the question myself haha
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 05, 2012, 06:56:27 PM
meh 10/10/10 strategy best and easiest way to go
If only it were that easy haha!
it is that easy best 18 player scores count do the maths
Oh ok psychic.. So you can take into consideration.. Injuries, suspension, rests, players being dropped ?
The stupidity of some people amazes me :o
your the idiot it's still the best way to tackle the byes honestly most of your posts are complete rubbish not even worth reading
Oh the irony lol
Gotta love been insulted by someone who doesn't know the difference between your and you're. Gives everyone a laugh! ::)
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LOL. Always an ecard for every situation haha
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LOL. Always an ecard for every situation haha
Yeah, the e-cards are priceless.
And just to contribute to the actual subject of the thread. I like really like Hawks breakdown of the byes, there would be a bit of planning involved, but yeah. It can be done. I still I won't bother with them until they arrive though.
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LOL. Always an ecard for every situation haha
Yeah, the e-cards are priceless.
And just to contribute to the actual subject of the thread. I like really like Hawks breakdown of the byes, there would be a bit of planning involved, but yeah. It can be done. I still I won't bother with them until they arrive though.
Yeh! There is definitely a number of approaches that can be taken and structures. Looking at doing something slightly different myself. But then again probably won't matter what we do, because someone will get suspended or injured and stuff that all up :P
That sums me up perfectly Nigey :)
Anyone seen an updated version of the attached bye spreadsheet yet? Or something similar?
Have had a look at the bye structure trying to work out a paln for the byes.
With the change in rules this year to just take the 18 top scores for each of the bye rounds it is necessary to change strategy for byes.
I am aiming to have my team set with 22 prems by round 11 if possible with bye structure 8/7/7.
My current planned team has 15 prems with a 6/4/5 bye structure.
All being well will use 14 trades to achieve 22 prems leaving 16 trades for injuries and loss of form. ;D ;D ;D
This means I will only be relying on the score of 4 rookies each week.
That is the plan but as we know from this year plans can go out the window.
Quote from: Ringo on December 05, 2012, 02:43:24 PM
With the rule change to allow only the top 18 scores to count in the 3 bye rounds no need to really tank either. Only need to ensure you have 18 scorers on the field. Using DPP this should be quite achievable without using additional trades during the period.
A quick clarification on this rule change please.
Does the top 18 count towards both Head to Head scores and overall, or just Head to Head.
Quote from: Vicious Sandwhich Attack on December 29, 2012, 02:07:49 AM
Quote from: Ringo on December 05, 2012, 02:43:24 PM
With the rule change to allow only the top 18 scores to count in the 3 bye rounds no need to really tank either. Only need to ensure you have 18 scorers on the field. Using DPP this should be quite achievable without using additional trades during the period.
A quick clarification on this rule change please.
Does the top 18 count towards both Head to Head scores and overall, or just Head to Head.
Have not seen the final details and as it is stated that only the top 18 scores will count one would assume it applies to both head to head and overall. Can not see HS having to use 2 systems for byes.
Quote from: Ringo on December 29, 2012, 09:07:29 AM
Quote from: Vicious Sandwhich Attack on December 29, 2012, 02:07:49 AM
Quote from: Ringo on December 05, 2012, 02:43:24 PM
With the rule change to allow only the top 18 scores to count in the 3 bye rounds no need to really tank either. Only need to ensure you have 18 scorers on the field. Using DPP this should be quite achievable without using additional trades during the period.
A quick clarification on this rule change please.
Does the top 18 count towards both Head to Head scores and overall, or just Head to Head.
Have not seen the final details and as it is stated that only the top 18 scores will count one would assume it applies to both head to head and overall. Can not see HS having to use 2 systems for byes.
Thanks Ringo, I only concern myself with overall score (League wins would be a bonus), so it makes a small difference in approach if it were a full score for overall. Then again I did vow not to worry about byes this year and just deal with it when I get there.