Hey guys, This is going to be the DT version of CFs Supercoach PICK 5 game with a couple of changes. I have been given CFs blessing to start this.
Rules
The game is very simple.
-Each week you have to pick 5 players who you think will score very highly in DT.
-Just like the SC version though each week you will pick 5 players but as a change each week you will have to pick a back, a mid, a ruck, a fwd and a captain.
-Each week the only stipulations will be on the captain and they have their score doubled.
-If you see "DPP" after the position then only a DPP player can be chosen. If you dont see "DPP" after the position then you can not select a DPP in that position.
-You may not select the same player 2 weeks in a row, even if you play them in a different position
-All new stipulations will be provided on Monday night.
-If you name a player such as Selwood/Thompson/Smith etc and don't specify which one you mean you will receive the lowest scoring one for the round
Player lists must be submitted before the first game of the round, otherwise they will not be counted
Scoring
Each round there are up to 11 points on offer, with a max of 7 to one person.
• 5 points goes to the overall highest scorer for the round
• 3 points to second highest
• 1 point to third highest
(NB If 2 people are tied for first they will both receive 5 points, the next person will receive 1 point. If 2 people tie for second they will both receive 3 points and no one will get a point for third.)
There are then bonus points to be had.
• 1 point to the winner if they outscore second place by more than 50 points.
• 1 point to the person with the highest scoring UNIQUE player (most not have been chosen by anyone else)
• 1 point to the person who selects the highest scoring combination(Each week i will post the 5 player combination that would have scored to most, if anyone selects all 5 player they will receive a bonus point)
So as you can see a very basic, but enjoyable game. Anyway I'll announce the first 5 stipulations in a minute and then you can start picking your players. Good luck to all that enter
PS. Remember all credit goes to CF and maca not me (as i basically copied CFs first message) ;)
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Round 21
Stipulations
1. Back
2. Mid DPP
3. Ruck
4. Forward
5. Pick a captain that hasnt scored over 100 this season
Top Team
1. Jack Grimes 125
2. Adam Goodes 137
3. Jon Giles 115
4. Jeremy Howe 114
5. Steven May 125
Total 741
Highest Unique - Jon Giles 115
Round 22
Stipulations
1. Back
2. Mid
3. Ruck
4. Forward DPP
5. Pick a captain with a current value of less than $450,000
Top Team
1. Sean Dempster 140
2. Terent Cotchin 145
3. Will Minson 107
4. Ryan O'Keefe 142
5. Taylor Walker 148
Total 830
Highest Unique - Ryan O'Keefe 142
Round 23
Stipulations
1. Back
2. Mid
3. Ruck
4. Forward
5. Pick a different ruckman as captain
Top Team
1. Scott D Thompson - 139
2. Dane Swan - 187
3. Aaron Sandilands - 106
4. Travis Cloke - 147
5. Darren Jolly - 110
Total 799
Highest Unique - Dane Swan - 187
Finals Round 1
Stipulations
1. Back from a top 4 team
2. Mid from a top 4 team
3. Ruck DPP
4. Forward from a bottom 4 team
5. Pick a DPP from a bottom 4 team
Top Team
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
Total
Highest Unique -
League Table
nostradamus | 8 |
Mr.Craig | 6 |
georgekera11 | 5 |
KoopKicka | 4 |
luvfooty | 3 |
masedog333 | 1 |
Karmaboy | 1 |
kilbluff1995 | 1 |
Bit late in the season? Or is this ongoing?
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 15, 2012, 03:48:47 PM
Bit late in the season? Or is this ongoing?
Just want to see how it goes for the last couple of rounds and if all goes well then it will be ongoing next year.
Stipulations are up for R21
F'n sexy game ;)
Round 21
1. Back - Jack Grimes
2. Mid DPP - Heath Scotland
3. Ruck - Dean Cox
4. Forward - Taylor Walker
5. Pick a captain that hasnt scored 100 this season - Luke Hodge
1. Grant Birchall
2. Brett Delideo
3. Dean Cox
4. Stevie J
5. Brandon Matera
Back - Beau Waters
Mid DPP - Jordan Lewis
Ruck - Ben McEvoy
Forward- Steve Johnson
Captain that hasn't scored 100 - Luke Hodge
Round 21
1. Back birchall
2. Mid DPP beams
3. Ruck cox
4. Forward stevie J
5. Pick a captain that hasnt scored 100 this season brandon lee
Hmmm, alrighty then.
1. Guerra
2. Deledio
3. Jolly
4. Stevie J
5. Gunston
Awesome idea :)
1. Suckling
2. Beams
3. Bellchambers
4. Buddy
5. Hodgey
Jack Grimes
Dane Beams
Dean Cox
Stevie Johnson
Lindsay Gilbee
I assume it's ok to make changes after the teams are announced, as long as its before lockout?
Suckling
Deledio
S Jacobs
Franklin
L Hodge
;)
Quote from: tabs on August 15, 2012, 03:41:10 PM
-If you see "DPP" after the position then only a DPP player can be chosen. If you dont see "DPP" after the position then you can not select a DPP in that position.
Quote from: Spinking on August 15, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
Brett Deledio
Dane Beams
Dean Cox
Stevie Johnson
Lindsay Gilbee
I assume it's ok to make changes after the teams are announced, as long as its before lockout?
Quote from: Ash A on August 15, 2012, 10:51:48 PM
A Carrazzo
B Deledio
S Jacobs
D Beams
L Hodge
;)
Pick again chaps. ;)
1. Back - Jack Grimes
2. Mid DPP - Dayne Beams
3. Ruck - Dean Cox
4. Forward - Stevie J
5. Pick a captain that hasnt scored 100 this season - Anthony Miles
the rules state to name a player properly like Dayne Beams not just Beams when there is another Beams that plays for Brisbane
Grimes
Beamdogga
Nic Nat
Stevie J
Sam Blease
I have updated the stipulations as the last one should say "Pick a captain that hasnt scored over 100 this season"
i have PM'd Ash, Powerbug and Spinking to update their picks.
I wont be doing this every week as i will probably run out of PMs.
From now on you are all on your own
Jordie McKenzie it will be then. :) High score of 89 vs Carlton.
Quote from: Spinking on August 15, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
I assume it's ok to make changes after the teams are announced, as long as its before lockout?
that is correct
B Waters 84
D Beams 129
D Cox 99
B Whitecross 71
L Hodge 224
607
J Grimes
D Beams
D Cox
S Johnson
L Hodge
Jack Grimes
Dayne Beams
Jon Giles
Brendon Whitecross
Luke Hodge
Birchall
Dayne Beams
Nic Nat
WhiteCross
Fasolo (c)
Quote from: Moona on August 17, 2012, 04:03:24 PM
Birchall
Dayne Beams
Nic Nat
WhiteCross
Fasolo (c)
Fasolo got 100 vs GC in round 10, but its not
over 100 so...... ;) ;)
1. Heath Shaw
2. Matthew Pavlich
3. Dean Cox
4. Steve Johnson
5. Luke Hodge
Quote from: kilbluff1995 on August 16, 2012, 12:15:25 AM
the rules state to name a player properly like Dayne Beams not just Beams when there is another Beams that plays for Brisbane
Yer but Claye Beams is not a Mid DPP.
1.Waters
2.Dayne Beams
3. McEvoy
4. Franklin
5. Hodge
J Grimes 125
D Beams 129
D Cox 99
S Johnson 98
L Hodge 224
Grand Total ..... 675 8)
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 16, 2012, 11:36:03 AM
Jack Grimes
Dayne Beams
Jon Giles
Brendon Whitecross
Luke Hodge
125
129
115
71
224
664
I think WhiteX cost me :/
369 2 to play, Giles has also won me the unique
Quote from: kilbluff1995 on August 16, 2012, 12:15:25 AM
1. Back - Jack Grimes - 125
2. Mid DPP - Dayne Beams - 129
3. Ruck - Dean Cox - 99
4. Forward - Stevie J - 98
5. Pick a captain that hasnt scored 100 this season - Anthony Miles x2 =108
the rules state to name a player properly like Dayne Beams not just Beams when there is another Beams that plays for Brisbane
TOTAL = 559
The results will be put up tonight.
Also i have thought of adding something else to this game.
Each week i will post the highest scoring combination that could have been picked and if anyone gets the same 5 players they will get an extra point
Quote from: Ash A on August 17, 2012, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: Moona on August 17, 2012, 04:03:24 PM
Birchall
Dayne Beams
Nic Nat
WhiteCross
Fasolo (c)
Fasolo got 100 vs GC in round 10, but its not over 100 so...... ;) ;)
that is fine not over 100 :)
Round 21 Results
1st - nostradamus (675 points)
2nd - KoopKicka (664 points)
3rd - masedog333 (613 points)
Honourable mentions to Junkitup (609) and naste (607) who just missed out on the points
Point Allocations
5 points to nostradamus
4 points to KoopKicka (highest unique player Jon Giles)
1 point to masedog333
Top Team
1. Back - Jack Grimes 125
2. Mid DPP - Adam Goodes 137
3. Ruck - Jon Giles 115
4. Forward - Jeremy Howe 114
5. Pick a captain that hasnt scored over 100 this season - Steven May 125
Total 741
Round 22
Stipulations
1. Back
2. Mid
3. Ruck
4. Forward DPP
5. Pick a captain with a current value of less than $450,000
Remember you can not pick the same player 2 weeks in a row!!!!
1. Back - Grant Birchall
2. Mid - Gary Ablett
3. Ruck - Ben McEvoy
4. Forward DPP - Dangerfield
5. Pick a captain with a current value of less than $450,000 - Chris Judd
just to clarify if DPP is not mentioned then the player picked cant be DPP?
Jack Grimes
Dane Swan
Dean Cox
Ryan O'keefe
Josh P. Kennedy
Edit - Changed my mind. I think I'll go Swan over GAJ.
Quote from: kilbluff1995 on August 21, 2012, 05:07:19 AM
just to clarify if DPP is not mentioned then the player picked cant be DPP?
correct!!!! :)
Corey Enright
Kade Simpson
Sam Jacobs
Clancee Pearce
JPK
1. Jack Grimes
2. Jack Redden
3. Ivan Maric
4. Dayne Zorko
5. James Kelly
C Enright
D Swan
B McEvoy
P Chapman
S Thompson (c)
Duffield 125
Swan 119
Mumford 99
Goodes 67 >:(
JPK (c) 226
Grand Total.....636
1. Back - Grant Birchall
2. Mid - Marc Murphy
3. Ruck - Shane Mumford
4. Forward DPP - Patrick Dangerfield
5. Pick a captain with a current value of less than $450,000 - Sam Gibson
Trying my luck this week if thats ok!
1. Back - Pearce Hanley
2. Mid - Dane Swan
3. Ruck - Dean Cox
4. Forward DPP - Patrick Dangerfield
5. Pick a captain with a current value of less than $450,000 - Tom Rockliff
1. Heath Shaw
2. Dane Swan
3. Johnathon Giles
4. Dayne Beams
5. Scott Thompson (Adel)
you cant pick the same player 2 weeks in a row
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 21, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
Jack Grimes <-----------
Kade Simpson
Sam Jacobs
Clancee Pearce
JPK
Quote from: Ash A on August 21, 2012, 04:26:07 PM
C Enright
D Swan
S Jacobs <-----------
P Chapman
S Thompson (c)
Quote from: Mr.Craig on August 21, 2012, 01:54:52 PM
Edit - Changed my mind. I think I'll go Swan over GAJ.
wow after the pies arent happy with Swannie having 40+ touch games??
Quote from: tabs on August 23, 2012, 02:25:19 AM
you cant pick the same player 2 weeks in a rowQuote from: KoopKicka on August 21, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
Jack Grimes <-----------
Kade Simpson
Sam Jacobs
Clancee Pearce
JPK
Quote from: Ash A on August 21, 2012, 04:26:07 PM
C Enright
D Swan
S Jacobs <-----------
P Chapman
S Thompson (c)
Cheers for the heads up tabs. :) Edited
Pearce Hanley
Dane Swan
Dean Cox
Paul Chapman
Brent Stanton
Quote from: tabs on August 24, 2012, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on August 21, 2012, 01:54:52 PM
Edit - Changed my mind. I think I'll go Swan over GAJ.
wow after the pies arent happy with Swannie having 40+ touch games??
Has Swan ever listened to anybody? :P He'll probably get 60 this week just for laughs.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on August 24, 2012, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: tabs on August 24, 2012, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on August 21, 2012, 01:54:52 PM
Edit - Changed my mind. I think I'll go Swan over GAJ.
wow after the pies arent happy with Swannie having 40+ touch games??
Has Swan ever listened to anybody? :P He'll probably get 60 this week just for laughs.
he will probably get 39 but kick 5
1.Grant Birchall
2. Scott Pendlebury
3. Nick Naitanui
4. Patrick Dangerfield
5. Brendan Goddard
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 21, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
Corey Enright
Kade Simpson
Sam Jacobs
Clancee Pearce
JPK
127
60
61*
226
474/4 with 1 in play and 1 to come, Kade Simpson has probably cost me.
^ Clancee killing it. Enright killed it.
Quote from: whatlez on August 26, 2012, 04:54:36 PM
^ Clancee killing it. Enright killed it.
I know! ;D So happy! :P
Really like the idea and will get involved next year. However, the unique thing has a flaw because you can see everyone else's team before picking your own. There may be an opportunity one week to shut down anyone else's uniques and get one for yourself, meaning you automatically score a point. Can't think of a good solution other than everyone PMing their picks to you though...
It will be a bit tricky to remember who you've already picked 10 weeks down the track...
Edit - Looking through the other teams it appears I may have snagged the win this week. Shame I only have 2 of those guys in my actual Dream Team.
Quote from: LaHug on August 26, 2012, 05:17:37 PM
Really like the idea and will get involved next year. However, the unique thing has a flaw because you can see everyone else's team before picking your own. There may be an opportunity one week to shut down anyone else's uniques and get one for yourself, meaning you automatically score a point. Can't think of a good solution other than everyone PMing their picks to you though...
yeh some people have been naming 3 of the 5 to keep some of their picks unique, which i don't mind as long as their 5 is named before the first game starts
Quote from: Mr.Craig on August 26, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
It will be a bit tricky to remember who you've already picked 10 weeks down the track...
???if you are talking about PMs then you can save outgoing PMs. I wont be going down the PM idea but if people dont want to name their full 5 at the start then that is fine as long as they name their 5 before the first game starts
Quote from: kilbluff1995 on August 21, 2012, 05:07:19 AM
1. Back - Grant Birchall - 67 =(
2. Mid - Gary Ablett - 89
3. Ruck - Ben McEvoy - 84
4. Forward DPP - Dangerfield - 105
5. Pick a captain with a current value of less than $450,000 - Chris Judd 88x2 = 176
just to clarify if DPP is not mentioned then the player picked cant be DPP?
total = 521 worse then last week lol
Round 22 Results
1st - Mr.Craig (661 points)
2nd - nostradamus (636 points)
3rd - Karmaboy (632 points)
Point Allocations
6 points to Mr.Craig (highest unique player Ryan O'Keefe)
3 points to nostradamus
1 point to Karmaboy
Top Team
1. Back - Sean Dempster 140
2. Mid - Terent Cotchin 145
3. Ruck - Will Minson 107
4. Forward DPP - Ryan O'Keefe 142
5. Pick a captain with a current value of less than $450,000 - Taylor Walker 148
Total 830
Round 23
Stipulations
1. Back
2. Mid
3. Ruck
4. Forward
5. Pick a different ruckman as captain
Remember you can not pick the same player 2 weeks in a row!!!!
Quote from: Mr.Craig on August 26, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
It will be a bit tricky to remember who you've already picked 10 weeks down the track...
Quote from: tabs on August 27, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
Remember you can not pick the same player 2 weeks in a row!!!!
Oh, okay. For some reason I had it in my mind that you could never pick the same player again, hence my fear that it would be hard to keep track of things. :)
Paul Duffield - 109
Trent Cotchin - 121
Sam Jacobs - 93
Hayden Ballantyne - 75
Ivan Maric - 150
TOTAL - 548
Quote from: Mr.Craig on August 27, 2012, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: tabs on August 27, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
Remember you can not pick the same player 2 weeks in a row!!!!
Oh, okay. For some reason I had it in my mind that you could never pick the same player again, hence my fear that it would be hard to keep track of things. :)
i am thinking of changing it to 4 weeks next year to make it a bit harder, i will be keeping a list of players people select
Dyson Heppell
Andrew Swallow
Will Minson
Jack Riewoldt
Aaron Sandilands (c)
1. Back - Duffield
2. Mid - Andrew Swallow
3. Ruck - Mumford
4. Forward - Drew Petrie
5. Pick a different ruckman as captain - Sandilands
should have 2 stipulations imo
Birchall
Ablett
Naitanui
J.Riewoldt
Sandilands
Quote from: kilbluff1995 on August 28, 2012, 09:32:04 AM
1. Back - Duffield
2. Mid - Andrew Swallow
3. Ruck - Mumford
4. Forward - Drew Petrie
5. Pick a different ruckman as captain - Sandilands
should have 2 stipulations imo
I will next year.
Format will be the same (Back, Mid, Ruck, Fwd & captain) but i will add stipulations to every position
Also changing it from you cant choose a player 2 weeks in a row to 4 weeks to make it harder.
I will even post a list so people know who they cant pick
wow everyone on Sandi and no one taking the sauce
Brian Lake
Gary Ablett
Ivan Maric
Lance Franklin
Sam Jacobs (c)
1. Birchall
2. Joel Selwood
3. Kreuzer
4. Jack Riewoldt
5. Sandilands
Quote from: tabs on August 30, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
wow everyone on Sandi and no one taking the sauce
Given that Griffin was named and Freo might not give 100% I think I'll do the Sandi/Sauce switcheroo. ;)
Jack Grimes
Scott Pendlebury
Darren Jolly
Kurt Tippett
Todd Goldstein (c)
1. Heath Shaw
2. Dane Swan
3.Sandilands
4. Taylor Walker
5. Todd Goldstein
Round 23 Results
1st - georgekera11 (604 points)
2nd - luvfooty (593 points)
3rd - kilbluff1995 (583 points)
Point Allocations
5 points to georgekera11
3 points to luvfooty
1 point to kilbluff1995
1 point to Karmaboy (highest unique player Dane Swan - 187)
Top Team
1. Back - Scott D Thompson - 139
2. Mid - Dane Swan 187
3. Ruck - Aaron Sandilands - 106
4. Forward - Travis Cloke - 147
5. Pick a different ruckman as captain - Darren Jolly - 110
Total 799
Finals Round 1
Stipulations
1. Back from a top 4 team (no DPP players)
2. Mid from a top 4 team (no DPP players)
3. Ruck DPP
4. Forward from a bottom 4 team (no DPP players)
5. Pick a DPP from a bottom 4 team
Remember you can not pick the same player 2 weeks in a row!!!!
Rhyce Shaw
Dane Swan
David Hale
Tom Hawkins
Clancee Pearce
Quote from: Junkitup on September 03, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Rhyce Shaw
Dane Swan
David Hale
Steve Johnson
Clancee Pearce
looks like Stevie J got a week off
Quote from: tabs on September 03, 2012, 06:01:47 PM
Finals Round 1
Stipulations
1. Back from a top 4 team (no DPP players)
2. Mid from a top 4 team (no DPP players)
3. Ruck DPP
4. Forward from a bottom 4 team (no DPP players)
5. Pick a DPP from a bottom 4 team
Remember you can not pick the same player 2 weeks in a row!!!!
Grant Birchall
Dane Swan
Jarryd Roughead
Drew Petrie
Clancee Pearce
Ruck DPP is silly IMO... Only two choices ::)
Quote from: whatlez on September 03, 2012, 07:37:10 PM
Ruck DPP is silly IMO... Only two choices ::)
would you prefer me to change it to Pick a Hawkthorn tall that plays in the ruck???
Quote from: tabs on September 03, 2012, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: whatlez on September 03, 2012, 07:37:10 PM
Ruck DPP is silly IMO... Only two choices ::)
would you prefer me to change it to Pick a Hawkthorn tall that plays in the ruck???
Ruckman in general...
Grant Birchall
Dane Swan
Jarryd Roughead
Jack Darling
Nathan Fyfe
Grant Birchall
Dane Swan
Jarryd Roughead
Tom Hawkins
Nathan Fyfe
Stipulations were a little tough this week. :-\
Quote from: whatlez on September 03, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: tabs on September 03, 2012, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: whatlez on September 03, 2012, 07:37:10 PM
Ruck DPP is silly IMO... Only two choices ::)
would you prefer me to change it to Pick a Hawkthorn tall that plays in the ruck???
Ruckman in general...
Pick a hawthorn ruckman in general then
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 04, 2012, 01:57:13 AM
Grant Birchall
Dane Swan
Jarryd Roughead
Steve Johnson
Nathan Fyfe
Stipulations were a little tough this week. :-\
Stevie J may have a holiday this week
Quote from: tabs on September 04, 2012, 02:26:35 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 04, 2012, 01:57:13 AM
Grant Birchall
Dane Swan
Jarryd Roughead
Steve Johnson
Nathan Fyfe
Stipulations were a little tough this week. :-\
Stevie J may have a holiday this week
LOL, yeah I was a little slow checking out the MRP this week. I'll change that pick tomorrow. ::)
Suckling
Swan
Roughead
Hawkins
Fyfe
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 04, 2012, 01:57:13 AM
Stipulations were a little tough this week. :-\
really??
1. Grant Birchall
2. Dane Swan
3. Jarryd Roughhead
4. Tom Hawkins
5. Nathan Fyfe
I have seen more than 2 people have this same 5 lol. Not good stips IMO.
Quote from: whatlez on September 07, 2012, 01:34:42 PM
1. Grant Birchall
2. Dane Swan
3. Jarryd Roughhead
4. Tom Hawkins
5. Nathan Fyfe
I have seen more than 2 people have this same 5 lol. Not good stips IMO.
You didnt play last week and had Dane Swan in your team the week before so Dane Swan is a 0 for you
Not good picking IMO
That's a stupid rule then... I had a week off so my thing should be erased ???
I have to agree with whatlez on that one. He may as well have just entered a dummy team last week with 5 horrible players and then he could have played Swan this week. It doesn't make sense that he can't have Swan two weeks after the last time he had Swan...
Quote from: LaHug on September 07, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
I have to agree with whatlez on that one. He may as well have just entered a dummy team last week with 5 horrible players and then he could have played Swan this week. It doesn't make sense that he can't have Swan two weeks after the last time he had Swan...
but he also chose the same players that someone else chose
Well mine was the same as nost and mr.craig, but nost changed his last minute... So yeah...
Quote from: whatlez on September 08, 2012, 12:08:12 AM
Well mine was the same as nost and mr.craig, but nost changed his last minute... So yeah...
because Mr.Craig had selected his team first and i told nost to change his
Why didn't you tell me? Well you did sort of, but I dont check all the boards. Pm would of been more clear...
Quote from: whatlez on September 08, 2012, 12:19:48 AM
Why didn't you tell me? Well you did sort of, but I dont check all the boards. Pm would of been more clear...
why would you copy someones team???
Quote from: tabs on September 08, 2012, 12:27:24 AM
Quote from: whatlez on September 08, 2012, 12:19:48 AM
Why didn't you tell me? Well you did sort of, but I dont check all the boards. Pm would of been more clear...
why would you copy someones team???
I didn't. It was the team I made then looked through the other teams.
Quote from: tabs on September 08, 2012, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: whatlez on September 08, 2012, 12:08:12 AM
Well mine was the same as nost and mr.craig, but nost changed his last minute... So yeah...
because Mr.Craig had selected his team first and i told nost to change his
I was going to sneak in late and change my team. Just didn't get around to it. :P
Damn you pumpkin Hawkins!