Poll
Question:
IGNORE THE POLL IT IS FOR LATER
Option 1: SENIOR LIST SQUAD OF 40 CAPPED
votes: 0
Option 2: ROOKIE LIST SQUAD OF 6 CAPPED
votes: 0
Option 3: NATIONAL AND ROOKIE DRAFT EACH SEASON AS EXPLAINED BELOW
votes: 0
Option 4: CAPTAIN X 2 POINTS + VICE CAPTAIN X 1.5 POINTS
votes: 0
OK HERE IS WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS ALL IDEAS ON ALL RULES AND SET UP OF THE COMPETITION.
IGNORE THE POLL ANOTHER WILL BE CREATED FOR OPTIONS ON RULE / SETUP CHANGES
* OK So I will outline the set up format and all rules for the Asian 15's competition below. *
The window to leave feedback and requests for rule changes / setup option changes / draft changes and any other changes will be TWO WEEKS from NOW. so Feedback will close on Saturday August 11 and we will then have a vote on any popular stated requests for changes.
We will also then begin a poll to determine a draft format and start date, this poll will begin August 10 and close August 12.
ASIAN 15'S
TEAMS: 16
SQUADS: Senior List = 40 players + Rookie List = 6 players
STARTING SIDES: 15 Players - 4 DEF / 4 MID / 1 RUCK / 4 FWD / 2 UTILITY (any position) + [ 3 emergencies any positiion ]
PLAYERS CAN ONLY BE CHOSEN FOR YOUR STARTING SIDE FROM YOUR SENIOR LIST
*Emergencies must cover a player in the position they play in or get 50% of thier score for covering a non playing player of another position.
*Emergencies are taken to cover non playing players by HIGHEST Scoring emergency first.
*If you have 4 players not playing 3 emergencies provide cover but there is no further emergency cover.
CAPTAINS/VICE CAPTAINS: Captain scores 200% of his score. Vice Captain scores 150% of his score.
*If either your captain or vice captain do not play the emergency player that covers them becomes your captain / vice captain.
HOME GROUND ADVANTAGE: The home team will recieve a bonus of 5% of thier total score.
(in other comps it is double the lowest scoring players score) this to me is not adequate to reflect a home ground advantage. working off a ton a player including captain and vice captains scores thats a score for the team of 1650, 5% bonus is 82 points. this would be a maximum as rarely will you have 15 players out of 15 score a ton. (open to discussion) MAYBE 4 OR 3% WOULD BE PREFERED TO REDUCE THE ADVANTAGE THIS CAN BE DISCUSSED
SCORING SYSTEM: Sportsbet fantasy AFL comp.
NAMING TEAMS: You must submit your team via PM to a league administrator, (I will be looking for 2 or 3 others to join me to help out with admin) by LOCKOUT prior to the first game of each round commencing. If you fail to submit a team by that deadline, your submitted team from the previous week will be taken.
SACKING: You will be sacked as coach of your team if you fail to make contact for a period of 2 weeks during the season and drafting periods. All that is required is naming your team each week to comply with this rule, if you have an assistant or friend do it for you that will be fine, although we do hope for 14 active coaches in this competition.
TANKING: Any team found guilty of tanking will lose thier first round draft pick in the national draft and recieve that pick in the final round of the national draft. Tanking is fielding a side to deliberately score less and lose to drop on the ladder and gain higher draft picks the following season.
THE DRAFTS
* Notes on the drafts:
1. The initial draft will snake i.e 1-14 then reverse. so pick 1 gets pick 32 and pick 16 gets pick 17.
2. The FIRST National draft and Preseason/Rookie drafts will repeat.
3. FUTURE SEASONS National draft and preseason/rookie drafts will repeat. sp pick 1 gets pick 17 and pick 16 gets pick 32.
*PRIORITY PICKS = OPEN FOR DISCUSSION: May want to offer teams with less than 4 wins may get extra picks in the first rounds of the draft and top teams who lose less than 4 give thier picks up in first round or two and get them in the last round or two?
INITIAL DRAFT:
The initial draft will be 36 Rounds of selections from "CURRENTLY LISTED AFL PLAYERS 2012". (WILL SNAKE)
The Draft order will be determined through the use of random.org which will require an email from all coaches and thus confirms a genuine random draft order which is generated then emailed to each member. If you do not wish to provide an email that is fina as long as we have a few with an email to enter then the few will know the random draft order has been genuinely done.
Any player drafted in the INITIAL Draft that is delisted after the 2012 season will be able to be replaced prior to the beginning of the 2013 season from ANY player remaining in the POOL of undrafted players from any of the following (undrafted players from INITIAL draft, undrafted players from NATIONAL draft, undrafted players from PRESEASON/ROOKIE draft).
NATIONAL DRAFT:
The National draft will be 5 rounds of selections from the players taken in the 2013 AFL National Draft.
The National draft order will be performed in reverse order from the INITIAL DRAFT in 2013. (WILL REPEAT)
In the following season the team finishing Last will recieve pick 1 and the team finishing 1st pick 14. (WILL REPEAT)
PRESEASON/ROOKIE DRAFT:
The preseason/rookie draft will be 5 rounds of selections from the players taken in the 2013 AFL Pre Season and Rookie drafts.
The preseason/rookie draft order will be the same as the National draft order. ALWAYS. (WILL REPEAT)
LIST MANAGEMENT:
You have a Senior List (capped at 40 players) and a Rookie List (capped at 6 players).
The INITIAL DRAFT of 36 players ALL go onto your senior list (36)
The NATIONAL DRAFT of 5 players go onto your senior list (4) and your rookie list (1)
The PRESEASON/ROOKIE DRAFT of 5 players go onto your rookie list (5)
When a player on your senior list is placed on thier AFL Clubs LONG TERM INJURY LIST, you may promote a player on your rookie list until they are back. This allows you to play the rookie listed player in your starting squad.
* In the following seasons, players you have on your rookie list can be promoted permanently to your senior list prior to the NATIONAL DRAFT.
* In the following seasons players you draft in the NATIONAL DRAFT can be added to your senior list or rookie list. This will mean you have to DELIST players who are on your senior and/or rookie list, to make room for the new players.
*In the following seasons players you draft in the PRESEASON?ROOKIE DRAFT can only be added to your rookie list. This will mean you have to DELIST players who are on your rookie list, to make room for the new players.
TRADING
There will be two trade periods in each season.
Post Seaon.
AN AGREED TIME AFTER COMPLETION OF THE SEASON BEFORE THE NATIONAL DRAFT OF THE FOLLOWING SEASON
2 Week window to trade players, draft picks.
MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LIST CHANGES = 4
A team must trade the same number of players in and out i.e 1 for 1 , 2 for 2.... ect. ect...
A team may trade a player and a draft pick swap for a player and a draft pick swap
( e.g Boyd and pick 14 for Swallow and pick 2)
Pre Season.
AN AGREED TIME AFTER THE PRESEASON/ROOKIE DRAFT PRIOR TO THE START OF THE SEASON
2 Week window to trade players only.
MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LIST CHANGES = 4
A team must trade the same number of players in and out i.e 1 for 1 , 2 for 2.... ect. ect...
TRADE BLOCKING / APPROVAL: Trades can be approved or blocked either by administrator of the league or by a number say 6 other teams voting to block the trade. Or trades can go through regardless. This needs to be voted upon prior to rules being finalized.
THE DRAW
THE DRAW WILL BE COMPLETED BY LEAGUE ADMINISTRATOR AFTER THE AFL SEASON 2013 DRAW IS RELEASED.
HOME GAMES WILL BE THE SAME NUMBER FOR EVERY TEAM.
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THE VOTE COUNT
1. A= 8 B= 6 C= 1 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (A)
2. A= 7 B= 3 C= 2 D= 2 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (A)
3. A= 3 B= 3 C= 7 D= 1 E= 0 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (C)
4. A= 7 B= 8 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (B)
5. A= 3 B= 6 C= 2 D= 3 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (B)
6. A= 3 B= 11 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (B)
7. A= 2 B= 4 C= 5 D= 3 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (C)
8. A= 8 B= 6 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (A)
9. A= 8 B= 2 C= 5 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (A)
10. A= 5 B= 8 C= 1 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (B)
11. A= 1 B= 8 C= 6 DECIDED BY MAJORITY (B)
TEAMS VOTED: 14 / 16
Pickerman
Whatlez
Jayman
BB67TH
Maca24
Tbagrocks
KoopKicka
Spinking
JBsHawks
Nostradamus
EZA100
Adamant
Noz
Monstrom
Nails/PB - only voted on options they could change the outcome on.
Colliwobblers - did not vote - would have voted with the majority, thus changed no results.
Reason for this is for example if I voted on an option that was A =7 and B = 8 , and voted A, making it a tie, then it is up to me to decide which option we take, and if I chose A it would be my vote counting twice. Unfair, so for this reason I voted with the majority meaning I did not need to vote at all, as before my vote ALL options were NOT tied.
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POINTS TO BE VOTED UPON PRE- FINALISATION OF THE RULES
1. TRADE WINDOWS. (Pre - 2013 Season)A) 2 TRADE WINDOWS. 2 weeks immediantly following the Initial Draft + 2 weeks immediantly following the Rookie/preseason draft (after all drafting is complete ahead of season 2013).
B) 1 TRADE WINDOW. 2 weeks immediantly following the Rookie/preseason draft ( after all drafts are completed ahead of the 2013 season).
C) NO TRADING WINDOWS. There will be no trading until AFTER the 2013 season.
2. LIST MOVEMENTS TRADING (Pre - 2013 Season) Regardless of Trade Windows - total list movements allowed
A) 4
B) 6
C) 8
D) 10
3. HOME GROUND TEAM BONUS.* I am dead against using the "double lowest scoring players score for a home ground advantage, this rule gives basically no advantage at all to the home team and is not reflective of the "team score". There is a significant home ground advantage in the AFL and so should there be here. It cannot however be so great that it is an automatic win every home game.
*To help you make your decision, it is safe to say that the average team score in a very good round will be 2125, this if your captain scores 300, your vice captain 225, 6 players score 150, 7 players score 100. Keep in mind scoring in this comp is higher than DT and SC.
* So keep in mind a 40 - 100 point bonus in this competition is not much relative to the amount players / teams will score in this competition. I personally think 3% - 4% is about right but you all need to vote.
A) 5% of total team score - could be as much as 106 point bonus
B) 4% of total team score - could be as much as 85 point bonus
C) 3% of total team score - could be as much as 65 point bonus
D) 2% of total team score - could be as much as 42 point bonus
E) double lowest scoring players score - could be anything from 1 point to 150 point bonus.
4. HOME GROUND ADVANTAGE FOR FINALS SERIESQ. Will the agreed upon home ground advantage stand in the final series?
A) YES
B) NO
5. TRADE BLOCKING / APPROVAL PROCESS.* Notes on trade approval / blcoking. So we KNOW coaches have withdrawn from other worlds competitions, and that could also happen in Asians. There is not a league competition in any fantasy competition anywhere, that does not have some form of trade approval / blocking process. The reason for this is to prevent tanking, cheating and stupidity which all can lead to a dissadvantage to other teams in the league. If I wasnt to not do Asians in 2014 after the first season, I can decide to trade to my mate Whatlez, my 6 best players for his worst 6, and while none of the other teams would like me anymore, there would be NOTHING they could do to stop it! Without some form of trade approval / blocking process in place.
A) Trades are automatic approval - teams can trade ablett for blease and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
B) Trades are approved or denied by league administrator. Hard since this is me, but I could do it and post reason why and while I can say I would be totally fair, that doesn't mean parties having decisions go against them would agree it was fair.
C) Team VITO Vote System. Everyone is PM' all trades, 6 other teams need to VOTE to BLOCK a trade due to the only reason acceptable (it is extremely eneven). @ teams are involved in the trade, this leaves 10 teams of those 6 is a clear majority to be voting against the trade.
D) OPTION C + Appeals process - once trade is VITO / BLOCKED by 6 votes against it, the trading teams can apply to administrator to have the trade reviewed ( this gives the teams trading an opportunity to make thier case if they feel the trade has been blocked by other teams STRATEGICALLY - not because it is uneven). Again tho this rule leaves the final decision in the hands of ME, a competitior in the competition, I can assure you I would care more about the integrity of the competition than in my own teams performance and would certainly be TOTALLY FAIR, but this may again be an issue for some teams.
6. CAPTAIN AND VICE CAPTAIN SET UPI STRONGLY support option B here, given the HUGE advantage of drafting 1st over drafting 16th in terms of having a massive scoring player as captain, having a bonus scoring VC as well allows the gap to be closed between the team that picks 1st and the team that picks 16th, as the team that picks 1st picks 32nd and the team that picks 16th picks 17th, and likely these two picks will be a teams Captain and Vice Captain - therefore balancing the temas out in terms of the CAPTAIN BONUS.
A) Captain and Vice Captain - Same system as DT ect. , only Captain scores 200% and Vice Captain is cover for Captain.
B) Captain and Vice Captain - Captain scores 200% + Vice Captain scores 150%. Teams name a playing emergency for both the captain and the vice captain EC + EVC, which act as cover for the Captain and Vice Captain in the same way the VC works in the standard DT format.
7. ALL FUTURE SEASON TRADE LIMITS* See above rules thread, there will be 2 trade windows every calander year each 2 weeks in duration. This is FINAL.
One will be
after the AFL preseason&rookie drafts and
before the AFL season begins.
PRE SEASON TRADE WINDOW and will be set by administrator based on popular demand each season.
One will be
after the AFL season and
before the AFL national draft.
POST SESAON TRADE WINDOW and will be set by administrator by popular demand each season.
* Note: any number of draft pick changes can be involved in trading this is to set a limit on how many changes to your list can occur through trading.
Q. How many list movements are to be allowed each YEAR combined (total movements allowed over the two trade windows)?
A) 4
B) 6
C) 8
D) 10
8. DRAFT PICK POSITION CAN BE SWAPPED WITH ANOTHER TEAM AHEAD OF THE INITIAL DRAFT * So we now have the random draft order which determines where each team picks in all 3 drafts. The question is can one team choose to switch thier draft order postion with another team?
* I am neither for nor against this as two teams switching thier draft position does not negatively effect any other teams which remain in the same position they were randomly generated in.
A) YES
B) NO
9. SUB RULEThere is the option to add to the standard emergency rule ( which is 3 emergencies who can cover players named on your field who do not play - highest scoring emergency for the position of the player that doesnt play on your field is taken - emergencies can cover players on your field in a different position to the emergencies, but only score 50% ).
The sub rule would be to simulate - replacing a player on your field who is subbed out or starts as sub ( but being broad in nature would also serve to cover a super-spud who just scores below the sub rule threshold points scored.)
The reason there would need to be a points cutoff and not actually be if a player is subbed on or off, is that it would be too much work for admin to check every AFL game to see who was subbed on or off to confirm teams in the Asians scoring.
You would name a sub (as well as your 3 emergencies). Your sub is an emergency for one player on your field that scores below a certain number of points (thus simulating that player being subbed on or off).
Obviously a player scoring 0 will be covered by an emergency not the SUB.
Q. Do we want a SUB RULE? IF YES, what is the cut off threshold of points to activate the SUB.
A) No - No SUB RULE
B) Yes - 10 points - if a player on your field scores between 1 and 10 points inclusive he is replaced by your SUB.
C) Yes - 20 points - if a player on your field scores between 1 and 20 points inclusive he is replaced by your SUB.
10. PRIORITY DRAFT PICKS ( FUTURE SEASONS)Q. Do we want to award priority draft picks for the weakest sides after each season in the national draft?
A) NO - No priority draft picks
B) YES - Teams finishing with 2 wins or fewer will recieve 2 addidional draft picks after the first full round of the national draft. BUT DOES NOT BEGIN UNTIL AFTER THE 2014 AFL SEASON ( 1st season = no priority picks)
C) YES - Teams finishing in the bottom 2 ladder positions will recieve 2 addidional draft picks after the first full round of the national draft. BUT DOES NOT BEGIN UNTIL AFTER THE 2014 AFL SEASON ( 1st season = no priority picks)
* Options for priority picks are not to have priority picks start until after the second full Asian 15's season. The reason being this will prevent a team from drafting ONLY young guns and effectively tanking the first season, gaining the extra priority picks then when all thier young guns break out and thier priority picks play they will have an advantage over other teams in season #2.
This is just a good strategy but the delay of priority picks until after the second season (2014) goes some way towards preventing this strategy from being employed, which is good for the competition for season #1 in having all 16 clubs drafting to be competative ASAP.
11. ROOKIE/PRESEASON DRAFT SET UP.* The initial draft will snake and the order is set nothing there will change unless we vote to allow teams to switch draft positions in which case they will switch and they will then be locked into that position for the initial draft.
* The national draft THIS TIME, will be the reverse order of the initial draft order and it will repeat. This is set and nothing here will change.
* The rookie/preseason draft THIS TIME, is open for voting on how we do it, select from the following 3 options.
**NOTE** IN ALL FUTURE SEASONS THE NATIONAL AND THE ROOKIE/PRESEASON DRAFTS WILL BE DONE IN REVERSE LADDER ORDER AND BOTH WILL REPEAT AND THIS IS ALSO SET AND WILL NOT CHANGE.
Q. Which setup for this seasons Rookie/Preseason draft do you want?
A) Same order as the INITIAL DRAFT and repeats.
B) Same order as the NATIONAL DRAFT and repeats.
C) Randomized order and repeats.
**NOTE** TEAMS THAT "PASS" FOR WHATEVER REASON IN THE NATIONAL DRAFT WILL GET THE PICKS THEY PASS ON FIRST IN THE PRESEASON/ROOKIE DRAFT. THIS WON'T CHANGE WHATEVER ORDER WE DECIDE ON IN THE PRESEASON/ROOKIE DRAFT IT JUST ALLOWS PICKS TO ANY TEAM THAT PASSES IN THE NATIONAL PICK AHEAD OF ALL OTHER PICKS IN THE PRESEASON/ROOKIE DRAFT.
My thoughts are as follows:
1. Squads - Capped at 40 Senior + 6 Rookie. Strict rules around number of upgrades, and circumstances.
2. Drafts - Initial Draft (36 players); Trade Period; National Draft (4 Players); Rookie Draft; Submission of Final Teams.
3. Teams - 14 - 16 (Depending on if new coaches show interest between now and commencement)
4. Rules - Same as the WVX - 4;4;1;4;2. maybe throw in a rivalry round (each team has a major rival - some sort of bonus for he winner)
5. Trades - One trade window; don't have to be 1 for 1; Must be approved as fair by other coaches
6. Conduct Rules - must have fortnightly contact; must have an assistant coach; maybe some reporting requirements
Just some ideas anyway...
I say hold the start of the drfat until seasons end, and try to get 4 more coaches, and draft every player. It'll be possible. :)
I have an idea, but it is pretty stupid. 1.5 points for the VC?
Only problem is if your Captain/Vice-Captain pulls out...
Quote from: whatlez on July 20, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
I have an idea, but it is pretty stupid. 1.5 points for the VC?
Only problem is if your Captain/Vice-Captain pulls out...
I don't mind it, it creates more of a differential in team scoring and is another way to get it right or screw it up but see what everyone thinks...
it also helps teams that have the last picks in the first round who have SIGNIFICANTLY lower scoring guns for thier first choice captain each week...
for examplee - Swan or Ablett vs, a round 14+ pick is not even close to fair really, at least with a VC bonus score the guy who picks say 14 and 15 is a lot closer to being even with the guy that picks 1 and 28 ( in terms of captain bonus)
if that all makes sense
Your your right Cw. I forgot to mention that I would like to have 14 teams and 16 max. 18 teams is too much and if you're a shower team, you won't make finals and will quit like that guy in Worlds.
Quote from: whatlez on July 20, 2012, 04:46:08 PM
Your your right Cw. I forgot to mention that I would like to have 14 teams and 16 max. 18 teams is too much and if you're a shower team, you won't make finals and will quit like that guy in Worlds.
this is a good reason to set up the following years draft picks to significantly help the worst teams, obviously rules to apply for tanking, mods will need to keep an eye on listed teams from bottom sides in late rounds to ensure no tanking.
Quote from: whatlez on July 20, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
I have an idea, but it is pretty stupid. 1.5 points for the VC?
Only problem is if your Captain/Vice-Captain pulls out...
love this idea!
Quote from: PowerBug on July 20, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
I say hold the start of the drfat until seasons end, and try to get 4 more coaches, and draft every player. It'll be possible. :)
I actually think not drafting every player makes it more interesting. Makes pre-season/ rookie drafts way more interesting :P
Might want to fix the poll you have 3 options and according to the poll you can only select up to 3 options ???
I believe we draft 33 people on our main roster we draft 5 in the National Draft and 2 selections in the Pre Season Draft, Having a team of 40
Trade period 1, Minimum of 5 list movements per club, trades are uncapped after the first draft
Trade period 2, Minimum of 5 list movements per club, trades are capped and this occurs after the national draft before the PSD
*Trades will be put to a vote and the majority rules*
I.E Team A trades Gary Ablett for Team B Darren Glass. Majority would rule against that.
I.E Team C trades Nathan Fyfe for Team D Patrick Dangerfield. Majority could rule for that.
After the PSD we each get 2 picks in the rookie draft leaving us with a final team of 42.
Normal rules apply with the rookie draft as you have to place a injured player on the LTI list before you can elevate one.
Poll is locked and not in use at this stage, i will use it to list all the ideas we come up with and then create a seperate thread with the completed poll and enough votes to vote on all avaialable options.
I like your idea noz, LTI will be the only reason a player can be upgraded from the rookie list UNLESS the majority of coaches decide to allow a promotion period as suggested in the other thread...
so you think drafting TO a list of 40 instead of drafting above it and delisting over the 2 drafts.
in other words you only get 40 players from drafts not 46 with the option to delist 6 to improve your list over the 2 drafts. (initial draft + pre season draft)
where do the rookie list draft players come from?
Yes i believe we draft a total of 40 people in the first 3 drafts. The Rookie draft will be open to anyone who was not drafted in the National draft or the opening team draft.
I believe there is no point drafting 46 players only to delist 6, The AFL teams would of lodge there final teams before the National draft takes place cutting there lists down to 42. This should be the rule for the Asian 15's swell having a capped team of 42 players will make it even more important not to miss any gems. As we should start drafting our opening team draft before the AFL National.
Perhaps I'm out of my mind?Maybe we can enforce the Asian 15's delisting rule if we do something no other competition has done before, We do our National Draft before the AFL do there's, Much more exciting hoping your player actually gets selected, so much more research would be needed.
Example
Team A picks Lachie Whitfield, For some reason no AFL teams pick him up. The 15 team then can decide to delist him and get a extra pick in the PSD draft. Or they can keep him hoping he is picked up in the Rookie draft but does not get a extra pick in the PSD.
Team A picks up Whitfield > Whitfield is not picked up in the AFL Draft > Team A delists him to get a extra pick in the PSD draft > Team A decides to keep him they don't get a extra pick in the PSD draft and if he doesn't get picked up in the rookie draft they delist him for nothing.
i like all of that, especially agree the best way is to draft only the maximum number of players as you mentioned, which eliminates the delisting exercise
Why doesn't Noz just run this game? :P
Quote from: whatlez on July 20, 2012, 10:54:21 PM
Why doesn't Noz just run this game? :P
not a bad idea he is pretty switched on, will greatly appreciate both his input and help BUT
after all is said and done the teams coaches will be voting on and selecting all aspects of this competition.... within reason :)
Don't want to run this game quite happy being a coach..........Unless there is some money involved then I'm in :P
front page of this thread updated with suggested set up and rules we need to discuss and decide on final set up over the next two weeks.
I read the front ad I like it. Like you said 5% could be up to 100 points which huge. I think it should be less. 3% looks better.
Quote from: whatlez on July 28, 2012, 06:23:55 PM
I read the front ad I like it. Like you said 5% could be up to 100 points which huge. I think it should be less. 3% looks better.
think i agree, in reality a home game is a big advantage but we have to get the balance right cant be automatic victory every home game either.
This is my view, but to make sure no-one throws the draft, i say no trading. Otherwise i cannot see the point of a detailed draft. :)
No trading means you will draft who you want, not who you want for "trade bait" ::)
Quote from: PowerBug on July 28, 2012, 07:08:47 PM
This is my view, but to make sure no-one throws the draft, i say no trading. Otherwise i cannot see the point of a detailed draft. :)
No trading means you will draft who you want, not who you want for "trade bait" ::)
so there is trading in future seasons? not this season tho?
or you think never any trading?
I am all for trading but understand maybe a imit on trades / list changes, interesting to see what others think
I think if there is no trading then the interest of the game will be almost dead by the start of the season year...
Quote from: Colliwobblers on July 28, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on July 28, 2012, 07:08:47 PM
This is my view, but to make sure no-one throws the draft, i say no trading. Otherwise i cannot see the point of a detailed draft. :)
No trading means you will draft who you want, not who you want for "trade bait" ::)
so there is trading in future seasons? not this season tho?
or you think never any trading?
I am all for trading but understand maybe a imit on trades / list changes, interesting to see what others think
Oops, shoulda specified. No trading before the 2013 season. You have the squad you've drafted. After the first season, free for all. :)
i don't mind that PB, we can add that to the options to vote in or out before we finalise the rules.
makes sense for a few reason on top of what you said it saves teams/coaches deciding to draft for each other with intent to trade players. Thus giving coaches/teams an advantage over other teams via drafting and trading to improve thier squads.
I'd be happy either way but think your point of view deserves being considered and voted upon.
The only thing I have a problem is, is your rule about priority picks (Not the part about if you finish with less than 4 wins you get a priority pick) the part about if you loose less than 4 games you get your first two picks taken away? We shouldn't penalise teams for being good.
If you win less than 2 games you get a priority pick after your first round selection which would be pick 1 and 2.
Win games between 2-4 you get a priority pick at the end of 2nd round which in my drafting system below would be picks 15 and 16.
Im thinking the snake for the national draft this year shouldn't be the normal way we do it here, It should be: Team 1 receives pick 1, Team 14 receives pick 14, Team 1 receives pick 15.
Don't really mind if the home team receives a 3 or 5 percent advantage just as long as we all have equal amount of home games in a 16 round season 8 home games each.
Just adding my 2 bobs worth otherwise it looks good :)
Sounds good Noz I think the repeat for the national this season as well as future seasons seems fair enough added to the vote post below main post.
Also need to agree upon / discuss the way we set it for top 8/6 and a finals series.
home games must be the same yes and the draw can be finalised after the afl releses the 2013 draw.
I can rate all our teams based on champion datas player ratings and use this information to affect the draw so a team rated low can play another team rated low twice rather than a team rated high twice. If this is thought to be a good idea or i can just randon it.
priority picks your method sounds fine to me. put that on the list to vote as well.
Rule:
Must spell 'Asian' correctly in all Asian 15's thread titles.
Quote from: Nails on July 29, 2012, 05:53:06 PM
Rule:
Must spell 'Asian' correctly in all Asian 15's thread titles.
lol
Alot of reading o catch up on :o
I want to join, but appears you're full
flower this :'(
Quote from: Nails on August 07, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
I want to join, but appears you're full
flower this :'(
Ya, I believe we are, thats if EZA has the last spot.
EXTEND THE COMP!! EXTEND THE COMP!!
Quote from: Nails on August 07, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
I want to join, but appears you're full
flower this :'(
Nails we can go 16 teams just as easily if there is another join? unless others are opposed to stretching to 16.
Also need to confirm Blue is still around.
Failing that I would seriously consider giving you my spot, I can still run the comp and not be in it.... i said consider...
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 08, 2012, 12:01:06 AM
Failing that I would seriously consider giving you my spot, I can still run the comp and not be in it.... i said consider...
Dont do that, you'll lose interest, or at least push it to the bottom of the priority list. ;)
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 08, 2012, 12:01:06 AM
Nails we can go 16 teams just as easily if there is another join? unless others are opposed to stretching to 16.
You know what that would mean, right? (Sorry Jayman)
haha PB, I think your probably the only guy no one would mind having 100 different fantasy team commitments, don't see too many more commited than you :)
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 08, 2012, 12:14:53 AM
haha PB, I think your probably the only guy no one would mind having 100 different fantasy team commitments, don't see too many more commited than you :)
Haha, good thing my parents only think i do DT and SC....
I'm keen for us to go to 16 for blokes like PB and Nails, but don't think you should step away Colli. Don't think we should go to more than 16 tho.
no i agree 16 would be the limit and we would need everyone to be happy with 16, doubt anyone would have any issues, makes the decision to have a top 8 or 6 decided as 8 anyway.
Nails/PB team 15
Adamant or whoever that guy who posted in the other Asian thread - team 16
done and done :)
Quote from: Nails on August 08, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Nails/PB team 15
Adamant or whoever that guy who posted in the other Asian thread - team 16
done and done :)
the other guy was EZA100 and i believe he is team 14
so then we need BOTH Nails and PB for teams 15 and 16.
done and done and done :)
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 08, 2012, 12:47:06 AM
Quote from: Nails on August 08, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Nails/PB team 15
Adamant or whoever that guy who posted in the other Asian thread - team 16
done and done :)
the other guy was EZA100 and i believe he is team 14
so then we need BOTH Nails and PB for teams 15 and 16.
done and done and done :)
You're not serious, are you?
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 08, 2012, 12:47:06 AM
Quote from: Nails on August 08, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Nails/PB team 15
Adamant or whoever that guy who posted in the other Asian thread - team 16
done and done :)
the other guy was EZA100 and i believe he is team 14
so then we need BOTH Nails and PB for teams 15 and 16.
done and done and done :)
Quote from: Adamant on August 08, 2012, 12:33:31 AM
I've just been reading through these Asian/British/English 15's etc and it looks like good fun. Im interested in joining but it appears that theres no room left..
sorry i didnt see adamant so he is 15 and we need a 16 then
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 08, 2012, 12:54:24 AM
sorry i didnt see adamant so he is 15 and we need a 16 then
PB AND I = 16 :)
Quote from: Nails on August 08, 2012, 12:56:47 AM
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 08, 2012, 12:54:24 AM
sorry i didnt see adamant so he is 15 and we need a 16 then
PB AND I = 16 :)
Well if you are happy with that then that is fine, there are some quality coaches listed as available assistants so maybe Jayman can get one of them for the ship jumper ;D
PB jumping ship surely leaves me with the first pick in draft? Sounds fair :P
I not sure on bgk, but he may not participate...
Quote from: Jayman on August 08, 2012, 07:48:58 AM
PB jumping ship surely leaves me with the first pick in draft? Sounds fair :P
Sorry. :-[ I feel really bad Jayman. I thought there were no spots left. :(
l havent looked a this thread for ages..........looks like l've got a bit of reading to catch-up on :o
A bit of history. Pb only person to be a coach in four comps
Quote from: whatlez on August 08, 2012, 11:46:38 AM
A bit of history. Pb only person to be a coach in four comps
Though i'm only half a coach. ;) Thus only 2. :P
It does sound a buit greedy though doesn't it??
If we are starting after the Birttish main draft wraps up can I make my team topic naow? Im just itching to go! :P
I want to be Mongolian Horde.
Quote from: Jayman on August 08, 2012, 07:48:58 AM
PB jumping ship surely leaves me with the first pick in draft? Sounds fair :P
trust me PB leaving your sqaud is good news for your team. You should see the disaster that is their British team.
does it definitely need to be a country? or can it be a city... can you jump on chat whatlez
Quote from: EZA100 on August 08, 2012, 05:33:59 PM
does it definitely need to be a country? or can it be a city... can you jump on chat whatlez
Maybe say that if I'm not online and you are... ::) lol.
My team will be called the 'Tokyo Tigers' with Shihan7 as my assistant :)
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh............. adamant you took my city :'(
Quote from: whatlez on August 08, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
I want to be Mongolian Horde.
Mongolia is taken ;) your the Gorilla's haha :P
Quote from: picker_man on August 08, 2012, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 08, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
I want to be Mongolian Horde.
Mongolia is taken ;) your the Gorilla's haha :P
Mongol* sorry.
(http://eliwhitney.org/challenge/2005/mongol.jpg)
:'(
nah go the mongols, you gotta love a central east asia ethinc group haha ;D
Quote from: EZA100 on August 08, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh............. adamant you took my city :'(
haha sorry EZA, was tossing up between Tokyo and Beijing but Tokyo Tigers just rolls off the tongue better :P
Quote from: Adamant on August 08, 2012, 05:38:35 PM
My team will be called the 'Tokyo Tigers' with Shihan7 as my assistant :)
Cheers Adamant. I hope we will do well. :)
and I'm thinking beijing now :P
Quote from: picker_man on August 08, 2012, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 08, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
I want to be Mongolian Horde.
Mongolia is taken ;) your the Gorilla's haha :P
Who was Mongolia taken by, I originally had it but changed to Kathmandu :)
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 08, 2012, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: picker_man on August 08, 2012, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 08, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
I want to be Mongolian Horde.
Mongolia is taken ;) your the Gorilla's haha :P
Who was Mongolia taken by, I originally had it but changed to Kathmandu :)
i took it after :)
Quote from: Adamant on August 08, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: EZA100 on August 08, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh............. adamant you took my city :'(
haha sorry EZA, was tossing up between Tokyo and Beijing but Tokyo Tigers just rolls off the tongue better :P
No tigers in Japan but ok, I was thinking of naming us the tigers also.
Very happy with the 'Sri Lankan Strikers' :D
thinking about the yokohama dragons what do you thinks
Quote from: EZA100 on August 08, 2012, 11:05:59 PM
thinking about the yokohama dragons what do you thinks
Spink already has the Hong Kong Dragons ;)
If the tigers are taken we might have to go
(http://hanoiswans.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/lelogo.jpg)
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 08, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: EZA100 on August 08, 2012, 11:05:59 PM
thinking about the yokohama dragons what do you thinks
Spink already has the Hong Kong Dragons ;)
I was talking about it earlier, but didn't post it anywhere official...
I wanted my team to be the 'Hong Kong Dongs'
Guess PB and I can't name our team that :(
Quote from: Adamant on August 08, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: EZA100 on August 08, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh............. adamant you took my city :'(
haha sorry EZA, was tossing up between Tokyo and Beijing but Tokyo Tigers just rolls off the tongue better :P
I am the japanese suns, can we have a tokyo aswell or does that seem silly?
think there are enough countries in Asia to have one team per country? open to discussion...
I team per country, and we get the Hong Kong Dongs.
What can we bribe you Spinking?
If you guys want 1 team per country then I can always go with the 'Bangladesh Bears'.
yeah i think one team per country is a must
ok, my team will be called the 'Bangladesh Bears' with Shihan7 as my assistant.
Quote from: Adamant on August 09, 2012, 01:03:34 AM
ok, my team will be called the 'Bangladesh Bears' with Shihan7 as my assistant.
done and done
Quote from: PowerBug on August 09, 2012, 12:35:34 AM
I team per country, and we get the Hong Kong Dongs.
What can we bribe you Spinking?
If you guys are really keen for Hong Kong I can hand it over. Sure I can come up with something better... :)
i like the name hong kong dongs.... i have concerns over the "potential" logo and mascot however :o
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 09, 2012, 01:22:19 AM
i like the name hong kong dongs.... i have concerns over the "potential" logo and mascot however :o
lol
Quote from: Nails on August 08, 2012, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 08, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: EZA100 on August 08, 2012, 11:05:59 PM
thinking about the yokohama dragons what do you thinks
Spink already has the Hong Kong Dragons ;)
I was talking about it earlier, but didn't post it anywhere official...
I wanted my team to be the 'Hong Kong Dongs'
Guess PB and I can't name our team that :(
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Well I will lock in the name Manilla Folders then.
i think the Asia 15s draft should begin at the end of the afl season...reason: say dane swan does his ACL in the granny, and some poor bloke picked him up in the draft!!! May as well wait till end of season to avoid any surprises! Also maybe the '2-hour online rule' is a tad harsh...few technical problems and your pick is gone! The 24-hour rule is fair enough, dont want to see anyone gettin rushed into a bad pick... Cheers :)
Quote from: BB67th on August 09, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
Well I will lock in the name Manilla Folders then.
First team to fold?? Haha
Quote from: whatlez on August 14, 2012, 07:54:33 AM
Quote from: BB67th on August 09, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
Well I will lock in the name Manilla Folders then.
First team to fold?? Haha
Too young for Dad jokes Lez :D
Great job with the rules Colli 8)
l'd like to put in my 2 cents worth for a couple though.....
1. l really like the captain (c) x 2 and vice-captain (vc) x 1.5, but have a problem with the sub taking their place in the event of either not playing. l feel that it has the potential to have too bigger impact on a team, especially in the event of late withdrawals.
Do you think naming a deputy-vice-captain (dvc) would work??
The way l see this working is........
a. lf both c and vc play then the status quo is mantained and the dvc still scores the same as usual.
b. lf the c doesn't play then the vc becomes c, and the dvc becomes vc.
c. lf the vc doesn't play then the c remains as is, and the dvc becomes the vc.
l think this is fairer because your teams c and vc will come from the 3 players that you believe will be the highest scorers in any partiular round. Rather than either of your 2 best picks and someone who didn't even make your best squad, in the event of a withdrawal.
2. The home ground advantage rule....... l personally like the system used in the other comps, i.e. double points for lowest scorer for the home team. l think its fairer.
l'd also like to make a suggestion withrespect to home ground advantage during finals.......l don't think there should be any at all. The double chance for the top 4 teams should be the only advantage given in my opinion, and apart from that all games should be played on their merits, and shall the best team win.
l hope l explained them well enough and didn't ramble too much
I like both ideas nost. I was thinking the same in idea 1.
Again I like the no home ground advantage in finals.
But I prefer like 3%. It's something different.
Quote from: nostradamus on August 14, 2012, 03:39:31 PM
Great job with the rules Colli 8)
l'd like to put in my 2 cents worth for a couple though.....
1. l really like the captain (c) x 2 and vice-captain (vc) x 1.5, but have a problem with the sub taking their place in the event of either not playing. l feel that it has the potential to have too bigger impact on a team, especially in the event of late withdrawals.
Do you think naming a deputy-vice-captain (dvc) would work??
The way l see this working is........
a. lf both c and vc play then the status quo is mantained and the dvc still scores the same as usual.
b. lf the c doesn't play then the vc becomes c, and the dvc becomes vc.
c. lf the vc doesn't play then the c remains as is, and the dvc becomes the vc.
l think this is fairer because your teams c and vc will come from the 3 players that you believe will be the highest scorers in any partiular round. Rather than either of your 2 best picks and someone who didn't even make your best squad, in the event of a withdrawal.
2. The home ground advantage rule....... l personally like the system used in the other comps, i.e. double points for lowest scorer for the home team. l think its fairer.
l'd also like to make a suggestion withrespect to home ground advantage during finals.......l don't think there should be any at all. The double chance for the top 4 teams should be the only advantage given in my opinion, and apart from that all games should be played on their merits, and shall the best team win.
l hope l explained them well enough and didn't ramble too much
ON POINT 1: - Agreed - however what if both your captain and vice captain pull out - you only have 1 back up.
I do not see having a player named as ( EC ) "emergency Captain" and a player named as (EVC) " emergency Vice Captain".
This way in adding a VICE CAPTAIN to the ASIANS we have still followed the standard fantasy rule of their being a back up for both.
As in DT ect, there is a back up to the Captain. If we are going to have a VC then we should still have back up to the captain and also a back up to the VC.
I propose naming a C and an EC + a VC and a EVC.I will add a list of options to the vote on how we set this up but i think in having both positions as bonus scorers then it is only fair to extend thier being a backup for the captain to the VC as well since he also is a bonus scorer.
ON POINT 2: - I think a home ground advantage should be relevant or not be bothered with at all. Having double the lowest scoring players score is EXTREMELY RANDOM.
there have been weeks when the lowest player in my SPORTSBET team scored 100. ( THIS IS A 100 POINT BONUS).
there have also been weeks when my lowest scoring player has scored under 10 ( THIS IS A WORTHLESS BONUS).
I think by using a % of team score we can somewhat control the level of the bonus, ensuring it is a RELEVANT advantage, making the realism of playing at home something we look forward to and adding an interesting perspective to the game.
We can also set the % to a level where it is impossible for the advantage to be EVER so great it is unrealistic.
I think the % of a total teams score is a lot more controlable and consistant than double the lowest scoring players score which can be a LOT or NOTHING.
I can agree no home ground advantage in finals, we can just agree all finals will be played on Nuetral ground.
Like it Colli. Effectively a leadership group. :)
really like the % of a team score for both home & away and finals as home ground advantage. it is prietty big in the afl to have a home final...
but i really having nothing to add, i like all the rules you've written out so far and seem to have it all covered colli :)
gradually updating the second post in this thread with all the voting options, let me know by PM or post here ( PM best) or both better again as any idea you have you want the other coaches discussing seeing and supporting anyway ANY other changes or ideas you have...
need everyones thoughts on the MAXIMUM NUMBER OF LIST CHANGES ALLOWED EACH SEASON IN TRADING.
Let me know your thoughts on the number of list changes we should allow each season accross the 2 trade windows we will have each season.
1. will be after the preseason/rookie draft and before the season starts.
2. will be after the season ends and before the national draft.
need to know the total number of list movements you think we should allow, options i was thinking for the vote were 4,6,8,10.
if you think it should be less or more than those options let me know so i can add the number to the vote.
ideally we want t olimit options on the poll so we come out with a clear majority, so if you all think 6 or 8 or 10 please say so i can eliminate 4 from the poll :)
NEED TO DECIDE THIS FOR THIS SEASON AS WELL AS SEPERATELY FOR ALL FUTURE SEASONS.
ALSO NEED TO DECIDE IF WE HAVE NO TRADING BEFORE THE 2013 SEASON,
OR 1 TRADE WINDOW AFTER ALL DRAFTS,
OR TWO TRADE WINDOWS ONE AFTER THE INITIAL DRAFT AND ANOTHER AFTER ALL DRAFTS ARE DONE.
Please keep checking the second post in this thread which is where all the items for voting / deciding are posted with options, so i can add or remove options and add topics needing to be decided upon prior to the start of A15's
I believe a trade period after our drafting will possibly ruin the leagues depth.. Just my opinion so I'd say no to that.
And I think after each season there should be 6-8 team changes allowed.
So no trading before 2013 season.
teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.
next step is to finalise rules.
Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.
the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.
once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.
next step is to finalise rules.
Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.
the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.
once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!
I don't want the draft to snake :D I mentioned it before draft was done and we got pick 1, but yeah :D
You said you want it to be more unique from other XVs... other XV's snaked, we shouldn't :)
Straight order in player draft, then lez get pick 1 and 17 in nat draft :D
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.
next step is to finalise rules.
Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.
the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.
once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!
Maybe set Sunday as the deadline?
Quote from: Nails on August 15, 2012, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.
next step is to finalise rules.
Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.
the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.
once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!
I don't want the draft to snake :D I mentioned it before draft was done and we got pick 1, but yeah :D
You said you want it to be more unique from other XVs... other XV's snaked, we shouldn't :)
Straight order in player draft, then lez get pick 1 and 17 in nat draft :D
There is not a draft in fantasy football on this Earth or any other planet that does not snake. The advantage to the team picking first is already clear, to NOT snake the draft would be to give RIDICULOUS advantage to the team drafting first.
There was never an option for the draft not to snake :)
but if it makes you feel better the national and preseasn/rookie drafts won't be snaking, again to even the teams for those drafting last in the initial draft.
I think you will all find there could not possibly be suggested any fairer or more even method of drafting that what we have here.?
but nice try ;)
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 15, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
teams are now finalised, draft order is now finalised.
next step is to finalise rules.
Pm or post here any rule / set up changes you want to put up for potential change or addition.
the list is the 2nd post in this thread, the default rules if not voted to be changed are on the first post in this thread.
once i am confident everyone has had suffiecient time to put forward any requested changes i will post the list up for voting and once every team has voted (once) on all the options i will make changes, finalise the rules and we are then SET!
Maybe set Sunday as the deadline?
i will talk to all coaches all are on regularly, we shouldnt need a deadline i will just confirm by PM with each coach that they have nothing to add, to the rules or list for voting on, i will do this between now and over the weekend and once i have spoken to everyone and got whatever requests from them that there may be i can then finalise our "voting list".
then we can all vote.
So what happens?
I get pick 1 and 17? ??
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 04:48:01 PM
So what happens?
I get pick 1 and 17? ??
In the National ddraft and in the pre-season/rookie draft you get pick #1 EVERY round.
It will be the same ALWAYS in future seasons but with the order determined by reverse ladder order :).
The advantage of picking the first best player in the AFL over the 16TH best player in the AFL is considerable, so the EXTRA compensation was given to teams picking late in the INITIAL draft by NOT snaking the other two drafts this preseason.
IN FUTURE SEASONS THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO SNAKE AS THAT IS THE ONLY TOOL WE HAVE TO BENEFIT POOR PERFORMING TEAMS TO TRY TO EVEN THE COMPETITION.
Given your national draft picks may play few or no games for a year or two plus they may be guns but won't score like swan ablett or franklin or cox for a very LONG time. The advantage to you in the national draft is "long term" benefit.
Where the guys picking early in the initial draft get "immediate benefit" as they put a 170 point averaging player on the field from round 1 2013 and you can't.
unless your smart enough to draft the 130ish averaging player that WILL average 170 points next season.. :)
Yes I'm not trading now. It isn't even an option :P ;D
Okay I have a concern with the sub rule. I like it and all... but... what if your captain is the one who gets subbed?
So only 2 weeks of trade periods? What if players are inactive during the off-season?
Ok yeah about the trading, I would enjoy you to give me those players hahah, but you could be the only ruler? Like you decline trades which you think is best for the compeition. I don't like the idea of trade blocking where everyone votes...
Heres my opinions on the rules.
1. (C) No trade window.
2. (A) If we are to have one, then should be capped to 4.
3. (C) I like 3%.
4. (A) Yes, it should be there to reward higher finishing teams who did the hard work all year.
5. (B) I'd like you to decide Colli, voting by PM hasnt seemed to work so well in other comps. That being said, you would need to allow for some slightly favoured trades, and consider ages and playing time left as well as short term point gain.
Eg of a Trade in worlds that was unfair and got voted through. JP. Kennedy, O'Keefe and Cotchin for J.McVeigh, S.Hill and R.Murphy. Thats just blatant robbery and has somewhat affected the competition.
6. (B) Should make the competition more interesting with VC bonuses.
7. (C) 8 Movements should be allowed per year.
8. (B) No, you get what position you are given.
9. (A) No sub rule please, makes the game really complicated.
oh sweet! yeah i was doing some research and unless you get the top 5 players there's like 20 who all average the same. So getting two of that 20 is prolly better then getting one guy ave a bit higher. so i actually like being near the bottom and now we get early picks each round of nat / rookie drafts extremely happy being near the bottom ;D
Quote from: picker_man on August 15, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
oh sweet! yeah i was doing some research and unless you get the top 5 players there's like 20 who all average the same. So getting two of that 20 is prolly better then getting one guy ave a bit higher. so i actually like being near the bottom and now we get early picks each round of nat / rookie drafts extremely happy being near the bottom ;D
THIS!
Just don't take the two I want >:(
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 15, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
Just don't take the two I want >:(
I might take Tex round one.
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 15, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
Just don't take the two I want >:(
I might take Tex round one.
Tex Walker? I'm taking him with pick 5 you fools.
>:(
Quote from: Maca24 on August 15, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 15, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
Just don't take the two I want >:(
I might take Tex round one.
Tex Walker? I'm taking him with pick 5 you fools.
Not sure if srs ??? But he would be a decent round 2-3 pick.
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 05:16:12 PM
Okay I have a concern with the sub rule. I like it and all... but... what if your captain is the one who gets subbed?
So only 2 weeks of trade periods? What if players are inactive during the off-season?
Ok yeah about the trading, I would enjoy you to give me those players hahah, but you could be the only ruler? Like you decline trades which you think is best for the compeition. I don't like the idea of trade blocking where everyone votes...
1. If your captain gets subbed and you choose to use your sub under the sub rule, then your sub scores 200%. Acts as i the sub has come on and taken over the captaincy :)
under the captain rule ( whether we go vice captain 150% or not there is cover for the captain ONLY if he does not play at all - and this cover is from a playner NAMED as cover ON YOUR FIELD)
same as normal fantasy rules, if we do go vc = 150% then there will be a player you name emergency captain and a player you name emergency vice captain, these will both be players named on your field - same as the vice captain works for the captain in normal fantasy rules DT SC ect...
2. trade periods = 2 weeks each. These windows are to be set by the admin at a mutually appealing time/date. Given trades have to be processed and there is most likely going to be an approval / blocking process - we can't have people trading at any time they like outside of the season. Too messy, too hard to control, and without the people required on to either approve or block trades you don't know if your trade has happened or not would just be a mess.
3. On trade approval - i think there HAS to be some form of safeguard against foul play. I am happy for it to be me or a vote by ANY 6 other teams in the competition to VITO a trade seen as totally uneven.
The third option i listed was for there to be the ability for me to over rule a blocked trade if the traders feel that it was blocked by other teams NOT because it wa uneven BUT because it was a strategic move by other teams to try to hurt the trading teams.
For examply 6 teams may block a swan - jacobs (ruck) trade as on the surface it seems uneven, but the team wit hswan may have 7 other gun midfielders and a 32 year old ruckman and 3 young ones that didn't play much the season before.
so while there is a slight advantage to the team picking up swan, there is also a desperate need for the team trading him to get a decent ruckman.
this is where an administrator can then override the trade being blocked - clearly state reasons for its approval, and maybe add a balancer like a national draft pick trade added in to get the team trading swan the higher pick in the national draft.
* there are 3 options in hte poll for us to decide on. No blocking/approval - 6 votes block- or 6 votes bloack but with review by admin
Quote from: Maca24 on August 15, 2012, 05:19:21 PM
Heres my opinions on the rules.
1. (C) No trade window.
2. (A) If we are to have one, then should be capped to 4.
3. (C) I like 3%.
4. (A) Yes, it should be there to reward higher finishing teams who did the hard work all year.
5. (B) I'd like you to decide Colli, voting by PM hasnt seemed to work so well in other comps. That being said, you would need to allow for some slightly favoured trades, and consider ages and playing time left as well as short term point gain.
Eg of a Trade in worlds that was unfair and got voted through. JP. Kennedy, O'Keefe and Cotchin for J.McVeigh, S.Hill and R.Murphy. Thats just blatant robbery and has somewhat affected the competition.
6. (B) Should make the competition more interesting with VC bonuses.
7. (C) 8 Movements should be allowed per year.
8. (B) No, you get what position you are given.
9. (A) No sub rule please, makes the game really complicated.
thats excellent that is exactly what we need from every coach. BUT NOT YET :) we may have more to add to the list before it is finalised ;)
"from every coach"
Should PB and I get separate votes or because we're from the same team combine our opinions to only vote once?
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 05:52:17 PM
Quote from: Maca24 on August 15, 2012, 05:19:21 PM
Heres my opinions on the rules.
1. (C) No trade window.
2. (A) If we are to have one, then should be capped to 4.
3. (C) I like 3%.
4. (A) Yes, it should be there to reward higher finishing teams who did the hard work all year.
5. (B) I'd like you to decide Colli, voting by PM hasnt seemed to work so well in other comps. That being said, you would need to allow for some slightly favoured trades, and consider ages and playing time left as well as short term point gain.
Eg of a Trade in worlds that was unfair and got voted through. JP. Kennedy, O'Keefe and Cotchin for J.McVeigh, S.Hill and R.Murphy. Thats just blatant robbery and has somewhat affected the competition.
6. (B) Should make the competition more interesting with VC bonuses.
7. (C) 8 Movements should be allowed per year.
8. (B) No, you get what position you are given.
9. (A) No sub rule please, makes the game really complicated.
thats excellent that is exactly what we need from every coach. BUT NOT YET :) we may have more to add to the list before it is finalised ;)
No worries will add to it as new rules get put up :)
Quote from: Nails on August 15, 2012, 05:55:56 PM
"from every coach"
Should PB and I get separate votes or because we're from the same team combine our opinions to only vote once?
i might recruit 3 more coaches for voting time then fire em after..........
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 15, 2012, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 05:48:59 PM
Quote from: Maca24 on August 15, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 15, 2012, 05:40:40 PM
Just don't take the two I want >:(
I might take Tex round one.
Tex Walker? I'm taking him with pick 5 you fools.
Not sure if srs ??? But he would be a decent round 2-3 pick.
I agree a nice third round pick ;)
Tell me if I'm serious or not. :P
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,44828.0.html
Quote from: Nails on August 15, 2012, 05:55:56 PM
"from every coach"
Should PB and I get separate votes or because we're from the same team combine our opinions to only vote once?
no but you should cut your first pick in half :o
Quote from: Nails on August 15, 2012, 05:55:56 PM
"from every coach"
Should PB and I get separate votes or because we're from the same team combine our opinions to only vote once?
from every team ! so you guys can vote once between you, doesnt matter to me which one of you posts the vote :)
Quote from: Nails on August 15, 2012, 05:55:56 PM
"from every coach"
Should PB and I get separate votes or because we're from the same team combine our opinions to only vote once?
I every coach. Can Holz make a vote too since he is my assistant?
Shut up Nails ::)
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 15, 2012, 05:55:56 PM
"from every coach"
Should PB and I get separate votes or because we're from the same team combine our opinions to only vote once?
I every coach. Can Holz make a vote too since he is my assistant?
Shut up Nails ::)
Might let Cotchin decide on our votes for us.
Don't care. Whitfield?
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 06:44:23 PM
Don't care. Whitfield?
nah, he's no good Lez...... *cough* there's 7 players better than him *cough*
Let me know when you want me to vote on the rules :)
Nails is just jelly cause he wants to trade :P :D
Quote from: nostradamus on August 15, 2012, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 06:44:23 PM
Don't care. Whitfield?
nah, he's no good Lez...... *cough* there's 7 players better than him *cough*
*cough* Jimmy Toumpas *cough*
I have been informed by two people that you cannot join Sportsbet since the game has finished...
That sucks...
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 07:11:35 PM
I have been informed by two people that you cannot join Sportsbet since the game has finished...
That sucks...
Whoever those two people are either have no idea what to do or they are misleading you
Totally incorrect, I just signed up my Wife to check, screenshot below of the team i just created.
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1579/sbad.jpg)
Well I'll tell you Hoz was one haha...
But it might have to do with something with signing up to Sportsbet today? Maybe?
hmmm not sure i did that 5 minutes ago no problem - tell him he can just ignore the step where it says addfunds :)
onvce signed up you just click on the promotion tab and then free competitions - then afl/nfl fantasy - then afl fantasy - and away you go.
the thing with sportsbet is you need a sportsbet account, but you dont need to give any bank or credit card details, and you don't ever need to bet.
you also need to "say" you are over 18.
for any coaches that choose not to join sportsbet due to age or a desire to avoid the betting site altogether this is OK.
I will post more information on this in the WELCOME thread later, but I will be able to post results and scores for the competition in the event a coach of one of our teams does not want to himself join sportsbet site and play sportsbet fantasy free football either.
Understand the betting side of things is a potential issue in this competition, that said
1. there is no requirement of any coach or team to join and or play the sportsbet site / competition.
2. if they do decided to join the site there is no requirement to bet or provide money or bank/card details.
there is however betting advertising - but how is that any different from watching or listening to the AFL or any related AFL show on TV - betting advertising is around in PLENTY without needing to visit a site :)
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 07:11:35 PM
I have been informed by two people that you cannot join Sportsbet since the game has finished...
That sucks...
Whoever those two people are either have no idea what to do or they are misleading you
Totally incorrect, I just signed up my Wife to check, screenshot below of the team i just created.
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1579/sbad.jpg)
Colli you dinosaur! Chromes where its at! ;)
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 07:11:35 PM
I have been informed by two people that you cannot join Sportsbet since the game has finished...
That sucks...
:-[ lol.
Try now Pickers haha.
PM me if you need a walkthrough the registration and set up process :)
you never know with Whatlez - I didn't know if someone was having a go at him, or if he was having a go at me.....
It still works, Sportsbet has proven to be reliable in getting thier fantasy comps up each season, so there should be no concerns regarding it being there for us to use for our Asians scoring system year in year out.
The competition is open now and you can still join right now. If you have problems as I said let me know i can get on chat or walk you through registration here.
well done pickers ... it's like a new world of fantasy footy, if your like me and Whatlez there is never enough
I do DT, SC, VS (english) , Sportsbet (Asians), DT PRO - draft version of DT. - SC GOLD - draft version of SC.
Also do 4 teams in ULTIMATE FOOTY.
in total I manage 10 teams in 26 leagues :) and i'm still married ! :P
Yeah I am ranked 16th overall in Sportsbet with the best backline you can get.
I'm looking at top 5 finish if I continue my roll :P
Quote from: KoopKicka on August 15, 2012, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 07:11:35 PM
I have been informed by two people that you cannot join Sportsbet since the game has finished...
That sucks...
Whoever those two people are either have no idea what to do or they are misleading you
Totally incorrect, I just signed up my Wife to check, screenshot below of the team i just created.
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1579/sbad.jpg)
Colli you dinosaur! Chromes where its at! ;)
i have been using firefox for ages, but the latest version is screwed up none of the flash pop up stuff works in it?
so i just opened this up in internet explorer because at least the flash stuff works there.
if you have a better browser option for me than Firefox let me know, i dont use internet explorer unless i need it for the pop up stuff - lkke the AFL site the BAILY LADDER PREDICTER - it doesnt show up in the latest upgrade for firefox, i have to do that in internet explorer.
been online to a few forums and everyone seems to have the same problem with the latest version of firefox.
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 09:01:26 PM
Yeah I am ranked 16th overall in Sportsbet with the best backline you can get.
I'm looking at top 5 finish if I continue my roll :P
yeah you smashed me in this, im still ranked 7th in Virtual Sports (english) tho :)
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 15, 2012, 09:01:26 PM
Yeah I am ranked 16th overall in Sportsbet with the best backline you can get.
I'm looking at top 5 finish if I continue my roll :P
yeah you smashed me in this, im still ranked 7th in Virtual Sports (english) tho :)
Don't play it though...
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 15, 2012, 08:57:49 PM
PM me if you need a walkthrough the registration and set up process :)
you never know with Whatlez - I didn't know if someone was having a go at him, or if he was having a go at me.....
It still works, Sportsbet has proven to be reliable in getting thier fantasy comps up each season, so there should be no concerns regarding it being there for us to use for our Asians scoring system year in year out.
The competition is open now and you can still join right now. If you have problems as I said let me know i can get on chat or walk you through registration here.
well done pickers ... it's like a new world of fantasy footy, if your like me and Whatlez there is never enough
I do DT, SC, VS (english) , Sportsbet (Asians), DT PRO - draft version of DT. - SC GOLD - draft version of SC.
Also do 4 teams in ULTIMATE FOOTY.
in total I manage 10 teams in 26 leagues :) and i'm still married ! :P
LMAO! Thats a classic love it!
Cheers colli, clicking on promotion button then going from there is were i got lost haha. your steps you wrote above were very helpful thanks :)
??? i didnt realise there were so many sites.... going to be in all of them next year aswell ;D
to get DT PRO and SC GOLD you have to pay for the assistant coach thingsbob, which is aweful helpful when doing write ups on rookie breakevens for everyone :) but think it was $25 a throw :(
everything else is free :)
@colli
Try 'google chrome'
Free and awesome
Quote from: monstrum on August 16, 2012, 06:21:55 PM
@colli
Try 'google chrome'
Free and awesome
just changed to it today, how do i get the new tabs i open to default to google search.
and is there any way of getting a drop down in the address bar like firfox so with one click and no typing all your most popular sites are listed in the drop down?
like i can be bothered learning a new browser.... but thanks not sure what happened with firefox but all the flash stuff that wasnt working in firfox is working in chrome so im already better off for the change
It might just be me ( help me out if you can ) but firefox, was a LOT faster than Chrome.
every page i update or refresh or click on a link on takes AGES to open up and then be able to do anyhting on like scroll or click on.
admitably i do have 6 tabs open but always did in firefox as well.
any tips or ideas on things i might need to fix enable or disable in setup it really is SLOW
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 17, 2012, 11:42:08 PM
It might just be me ( help me out if you can ) but firefox, was a LOT faster than Chrome.
every page i update or refresh or click on a link on takes AGES to open up and then be able to do anyhting on like scroll or click on.
admitably i do have 6 tabs open but always did in firefox as well.
any tips or ideas on things i might need to fix enable or disable in setup it really is SLOW
tbh my chrome is really slow as well...firefox seems the fastest to me
i had same problems with firefox everytime i went to open anything with adobe reader it crashed ::) changed to chrome last night been working much faster and no problems at all..... ;D not sure why you're having issues colli and definantly not the best person to ask about why but mine's working great ;D
*Cheers Koop :)
Quote from: picker_man on August 17, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
i had same problems with firefox everytime i went to open anything with adobe reader it crashed ::) changed to chrome last night been working much faster and no problems at all..... ;D not sure why you're having issues colli and definantly not the best person to ask about why but mine's working great ;D
*Cheers Koop :)
haha no porblems, my firefox is dead-slow but my chrome is really fast, so I dont know what others problems are. :(
my problem is my computer abilities. fullstop. :)
PM for voting has been sent please complete your votes and post in the following thread and or PM to me.
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,65220.0.html
Done. I voted :D
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 19, 2012, 02:36:13 PM
PM for voting has been sent please complete your votes and post in the following thread and or PM to me.
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,65220.0.html
we probly should have voted before the draft order was announced as now team's answers can be influenced on what is better for themselves.
i think ive done this right :)
Team name: Mongolian Lambs
Assistant Coach: Hawka
Team Page Link: http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66775.0.html (http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66775.0.html)
Start initial draft date: NOW...
Start nat draft date: conclusion of initial draft
Start rookie draft date: conclusion of nat draft
Q1. B
Q2. B
Q3. B
Q4. A
Q5. D
Q6. B
Q7. C
Q8. A
Q9. A
Q10. B
Q11. B
(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o623/pickerman/lamb.gif?t=1345192910)
I think are meant to PM him pickers? That's what I did...
I can't remember what I voted lol, so I can't compare ;D
TEAM: Sri Lankan Strikers
LINK: http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66628.0.html
INITIAL DRAFT: 1st of September
NATIONAL DRAFT: conclusion of initial draft
ROOKIE DRAFT: conclusion of national draft
1) B
2) A
3) B
4) B
5) C
6) B
7) C
8 ) B
9) C
10) A
11) B
Quote from: whatlez on August 19, 2012, 03:27:37 PM
I think are meant to PM him pickers? That's what I did...
I can't remember what I voted lol, so I can't compare ;D
haha thought u can post it.. ohwell maybe a few coaches can be bothered and just copy my awnsers haha ;)
aslong as option B Q11 wins the other rules dont bother me but our's would b prietty similar i reckon lez:)
you can PM or post here, if the voting is close or there is a dispute i may ask you to post here but doubt we will have any issues so doesn't matter if you choose to just PM to me , either or both options are fine.
I will update the votes onto the first post in the thread where you will see the list of votes.
Well if you can, can you quote me what I said?
Tibetan Llamas
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66638.0.html
Draft: ASAP
national draft: following
Pre-Season: following
1) B
2) A
3) D
4) A
5) C,D
6) B
7) C
8 ) B
9 ) A
10) C
11) B
Country: Malaysia
Team Name: Kuala Lumpur Crocodiles
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66713.0.html
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 19, 2012, 05:55:10 PM
Tibetan Llamas
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66638.0.html
Draft: ASAP
national draft: following
Pre-Season: following
1) B
2) A
3) D
4) A
5) C,D
6) B
7) C
8 ) B
9 ) A
10) C
11) B
Thanks tbagrocks, i assume by 5. C,D you mean, the option to vote for trades (C) with the (D) option also for the appeal if a trade is blocked?
polling is certainly divided on certain of the options so far - this is why the vote :)
other options are quite the opposite and very one sided....
7 teams down 9 to go including me.
I will save my vote to last. This way if a given rule is 8-7 , I will vote with the majority (8) because if a vote ends up equal i decide the final rule. Thus if i voted the (7) [ making it 8-8 then decided the option that was the (7) it would be like i got 2 votes.
If that makes sense. it should pretty basic :)
Always a stickler for fairness.
Can you quote me cw?
My PM I sent with my votes etc.,
and post it here?
just making sure :)
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 19, 2012, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 19, 2012, 05:55:10 PM
Tibetan Llamas
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66638.0.html
Draft: ASAP
national draft: following
Pre-Season: following
1) B
2) A
3) D
4) A
5) C,D
6) B
7) C
8 ) B
9 ) A
10) C
11) B
Thanks tbagrocks, i assume by 5. C,D you mean, the option to vote for trades (C) with the (D) option also for the appeal if a trade is blocked?
yep
thanks mate just making sure i get everything right :)
Yeah post it here please. :D
Quote from: whatlez on August 19, 2012, 02:44:41 PM
Laos Elephants
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66517.0.html
Draft date: When everyone is free. So when Jayman gets back :)
Nat Draft: The week after the real one
Rookie: The wee after the real one
1. A
2. C
3. C
4. B
5. B
6. B
7. D
8. A
9. C
10. B
11. B
There you go :)
Quote from: Jayman on August 19, 2012, 03:07:46 PM
we probly should have voted before the draft order was announced as now team's answers can be influenced on what is better for themselves.
i sincerely hope people show their integrity and vote for the options best for the comp, not the best for them
Quote from: Jayman on August 19, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
Quote from: Jayman on August 19, 2012, 03:07:46 PM
we probly should have voted before the draft order was announced as now team's answers can be influenced on what is better for themselves.
i sincerely hope people show their integrity and vote for the options best for the comp, not the best for them
Don't worry Jayman, I know I did. :)
Quote from: Jayman on August 19, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
Quote from: Jayman on August 19, 2012, 03:07:46 PM
we probly should have voted before the draft order was announced as now team's answers can be influenced on what is better for themselves.
i sincerely hope people show their integrity and vote for the options best for the comp, not the best for them
I did a bit of both... :-X
the only voting option that is any way impacted by the draft order is 11. The method we do the preseason/rookie draft in.
Naturally the teams who are early in the "national draft" will vote B, the teams that are late in the national draft will vote A and the teams in the middle won't care.
so in theory it should be decided by the teams in the middle of the draft anyway who aren't effected much or at all by the rule.
I really don't think this draft order is very important myself, the national draft reverse order and repeating balances the initial draft order.
Taiwan Dolphins
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66834.0.html
Draft date: ASAP. Judging by the British draft, this could take a while...
Nat Draft: One week after the actual draft
Rookie: One week after the actual draft
1. A
2. A
3. A
4. B
5. B
6. A
7. A
8. A
9. A
10. A
11. B
Thanks!
^ Are you sure filled it out right? ;D
Aaaaaaaaaaab lol.
Quote from: whatlez on August 19, 2012, 07:57:53 PM
^ Are you sure filled it out right? ;D
Aaaaaaaaaaab lol.
Hahaha! I'm a simple man...
Quote from: Spinking on August 19, 2012, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: whatlez on August 19, 2012, 07:57:53 PM
^ Are you sure filled it out right? ;D
Aaaaaaaaaaab lol.
Hahaha! I'm a simple man...
Thanks Spinking - entered.
Team name: UAE Tigers
1. B
2. A
3. C
4. A
5. A
6. A
7. A
8. B
9. A
10. A
11. B
Bangkok Crabs
1. A
2. C
3. C
4. B
5. B
6. B
7. C
8. A
9. C
10. A
11. C
thanks guys we are 11 down from 16 with me included in the ones to vote. So 4 more to go then me.
Thanks for all your efforts in getting this organized.
I bet powerspud and snails are one lol.
correct
TEAMS VOTED: 11 / 16
Pickerman
Whatlez
Jayman
BB67TH
Maca24
Tbagrocks
KoopKicka
Spinking
JBsHawks
Nostradamus
EZA100
Who's left?
They obviously haven't been online yet...
that colliwobblers is a slack flowerer i reckon we boot him
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 19, 2012, 11:24:55 PM
that colliwobblers is a slack flowerer i reckon we boot him
who??
;D
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 19, 2012, 11:24:55 PM
that colliwobblers is a slack flowerer i reckon we boot him
I would probably say the opposite.
Team Name: Bangladesh Bears
1 - A
2 - D
3 - A
4 - B
5 - A
6 - B
7 - D
8 - B
9 - A
10 - A
11 - B
Thanks Adamant added 12/16 now 3 to go plus me, a few options are even..
Noz should reply soon, not sure on the rest of them...
Monstrum has been inactive recently.
Noz , Nails/PB, Monstrom. and me.
A
D
A
B
A
B
D
A
B
B
C
:D sorry guys pretty busy atm, lookin forward to another draft though lol :P
COME ON NAILS AND PB, WE CAN START THIS TONIGHT AS YOU HAVE THE NUMBER 1 PICK!!!
no worries, thanks Monstrom and Noz added, just waiting on the "usual suspects" now to finalize :)
If you vote, could any of their votes actually count in changing the votes so far?
If not we can skip :)
Quote from: whatlez on August 21, 2012, 08:39:03 PM
If you vote, could any of their votes actually count in changing the votes so far?
If not we can skip :)
Yeh but its there pick first "/
@Colli - Updated link to our team to update in Asian XV Home thread (the other link doesnt work)
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66883.0.html
I may get it done tonight, though chances are i won't be online properly until Thursday night, for the Euro Medal :) So if Nails is happy to come online then, we can get the vote in. Though in all seriousness, if our votes can't change any polls, then Colli can organise a start date for the draft now. :)
You just need to vote on 1,4,9,11
PB and I haven't had a proper chat in like over a week now :-\
communication is at an all time low right now.
Quote from: Nails on August 22, 2012, 03:23:55 PM
PB and I haven't had a proper chat in like over a week now :-\
communication is at an all time low right now.
Well maybe its not a good idea to start another competition together which will require regular communication.
Quote from: monstrum on August 22, 2012, 03:41:04 PM
Quote from: Nails on August 22, 2012, 03:23:55 PM
PB and I haven't had a proper chat in like over a week now :-\
communication is at an all time low right now.
Well maybe its not a good idea to start another competition together which will require regular communication.
It's just because PB has been ill and super busy, we'll get it done, dw.
Co-coaches r fu|<eD :P
I gave you the questions u need to vote on, just do it?
(http://www.nickmitchellblog.com/wp-content/uploads/benStillerDoIt1.jpg)
Yeah do thequestions JB said. Only 4, not hard ::)
Whilst we wait anyone got any suggestions for my team mascot? Australian .....
Sugar gliders ? ;D
The Queen?
Australian Frilled Necks
1) A
4) A
9) A
11) A
Probably too late now but...
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 19, 2012, 02:32:23 PM
6. CAPTAIN AND VICE CAPTAIN SET UP
I STRONGLY support option B here, given the HUGE advantage of drafting 1st over drafting 16th in terms of having a massive scoring player as captain, having a bonus scoring VC as well allows the gap to be closed between the team that picks 1st and the team that picks 16th, as the team that picks 1st picks 32nd and the team that picks 16th picks 17th, and likely these two picks will be a teams Captain and Vice Captain - therefore balancing the temas out in terms of the CAPTAIN BONUS.
If you are balancing out the advantage of 1st pick vs 16th pick with a Vice Captain, then why are the other two drafts repeating? Surely you've now overbalanced it in the 16th pick's favour and now we are being short changed here....
Quote from: PowerBug on August 22, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
Probably too late now but...
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 19, 2012, 02:32:23 PM
6. CAPTAIN AND VICE CAPTAIN SET UP
I STRONGLY support option B here, given the HUGE advantage of drafting 1st over drafting 16th in terms of having a massive scoring player as captain, having a bonus scoring VC as well allows the gap to be closed between the team that picks 1st and the team that picks 16th, as the team that picks 1st picks 32nd and the team that picks 16th picks 17th, and likely these two picks will be a teams Captain and Vice Captain - therefore balancing the temas out in terms of the CAPTAIN BONUS.
If you are balancing out the advantage of 1st pick vs 16th pick with a Vice Captain, then why are the other two drafts repeating? Surely you've now overbalanced it in the 16th pick's favour and now we are being short changed here....
would you then swap to 16th pick... honestly?
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 22, 2012, 11:28:07 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on August 22, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
Probably too late now but...
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 19, 2012, 02:32:23 PM
6. CAPTAIN AND VICE CAPTAIN SET UP
I STRONGLY support option B here, given the HUGE advantage of drafting 1st over drafting 16th in terms of having a massive scoring player as captain, having a bonus scoring VC as well allows the gap to be closed between the team that picks 1st and the team that picks 16th, as the team that picks 1st picks 32nd and the team that picks 16th picks 17th, and likely these two picks will be a teams Captain and Vice Captain - therefore balancing the temas out in terms of the CAPTAIN BONUS.
If you are balancing out the advantage of 1st pick vs 16th pick with a Vice Captain, then why are the other two drafts repeating? Surely you've now overbalanced it in the 16th pick's favour and now we are being short changed here....
would you then swap to 16th pick... honestly?
right now i would yes.
You hear that lez you have the number 1 pick now
WTF
I can't access my sportsbet team :S
So what now Colli? You finalize the rulebook, we set a draft date. And go from there? :D
I don't want Cotchin ;)
I want Whitfield :D
I haven't even done any draft research :P
Quote from: Maca24 on August 22, 2012, 11:50:55 PM
I haven't even done any draft research :P
Me either :P
:-X
OK so I will give the following explanations to the draft setup. Even tho it needs to be understood that is is FINAL and not open for any further negotiation. We voted on the rookie/preseason order and it was a clear choice of option B.
The Initial draft - These are the AFL players that we can draft that are "ready made" scorers. These players WILL score us guaranteed points and the advantage of drafting early is significant if you look at the average scores the first round picks for the first half of round 1 will significantly outscore the players taken in the back half of round 1.
These players will all be our captains, (most likely) - this is DOUBLE advantage not just a Swan over Swallow but a "double Swan over Swallow.
So for that reason the reverse order in the National draft was adopted and the repeat was also adopted because the difference between pick 1 and pick 16 in the national draft, while it might be "significant" ONE DAY, it will not be for some 2-5 seasons to come. Especially not if it is a KPP or a Ruck.
The Vice Captain scoring player option was added 1. For interest it makes it a more interesting competition. AND 2. for team balance. It allows late drafting teams ( Whatlez pick 16+17 ) to be able to match (Nails/PB pick 1+32).
If you do the maths on the players ranked in these positions with pick 1 and pick 16 being 200% Captains, and picks 17 and 32 being 150% Vice Captains, THE TEAM WITH PICK 1 STILL OUTSCORES THE TEAM WITH PICK 16. ( from those two players as C and VC )
The rookie/preseason draft really doesn't lend anyone much advantage, and if players taken in this draft do give a team an advantage, then the drafting in the initial and national drafts will have been EXTREMELY equal and that is the point. IT IS.
If you draft early in the initial draft, and late in the national draft, you get better established players (marginally) and weaker new players (marginally).
This said, you are early in the Initial draft so you have the opportunity to draft the high draft picks from 2011 and 2010 and earlier in the initial draft before the late teams can draft them......
ENOUGH on this :) I expected the vote on the rookie preseason to be closer and i would have supported a random order, but the option B got up and we will stick by it now, as I said there should be little to no advantage in drafting early in the rookie/ preseason draft, considering anyone that passes late in the national draft will get their picks at the top of this rookie/preseason draft also.
@ Jayman - Yes I will post the rulebook in the official thread which is locked. I will get this done tonight and tomorrow night.
The draft can start as soon as everyone wants it to, the general consensus is straight away, and or as soon as everyone is available.
Some said after the British draft, that is only a few rounds off now anyway and I see no reason to wait for that to finish in any case.
People drafting in both will be required to AT MOST pick once in each draft every 24 hours. So not a big ask.
I will PM everyone and ASK "are you ready ?"
When I have 15 readies..... I will name the start date, most likely on a Friday or Saturday evening.
May be a good idea now to start discussing what time and day bext suits you all to start, for WHEN everyone confirms they are READY
TRADING OF DRAFT PICKS HAS BEEN VOTED TO BE ALLOWED.
THIS MEANS YOU CAN NOW NEGOTIATE TO TRADE YOUR DRAFT POSITION WITH ANY OTHER TEAM.
I WILL PROVIDE A DEADLINE FOR DRAFT POSITION CHANGES TO BE FINALIZED BY AS SOON AS I HAVE RECEIVED CONFIRMATION TEAMS ARE READY TO DRAFT.
NOTE: CHANGING YOUR DRAFT POSITION IN THE INITIAL DRAFT CHANGES IT IN THE NATIONAL AND ROOKIE/PRESEASON DRAFT AS WELL.
NOTE: ONCE THE INITIAL DRAFT ORDER IS FINALIZED AND BEGINS DRAFT POSITIONS CANNOT BE EXCHANGED AT ANY POINT BEFORE OR DURING ANY OF THE DRAFTS.
RULE VARIATION VOTE RESULTS:
THE RULE: HOW WE APPOINT EMERGENCIES FOR THE CAPTAIN AND VICE CAPTAIN.
THE OPTIONSA) Existing Rule - You name a Captain (200%) You name a Vice Captain (150%)
You name an Emergency Captain - This player becomes your Captain if your Captain misses the game.
You name an Emergency Vice Captain - This player becomes your Vice Captain if your Vice Captain misses the game.
B) Modified Rule (B) -You name a Captain (200%) You name a Vice Captain (150%)
You name a Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 1 Player
AND a Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 2 Player
IF
ONLY YOUR CAPTAIN MISSES -
Your Vice Captain becomes your Captain
AND Your Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 1 Player becomes your Vice Captain.
IF
ONLY YOUR VICE CAPTAIN MISSES -
Your Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 1 Player becomes your Vice Captain.
IF
BOTH YOUR CAPTAIN AND YOUR VICE CAPTAIN MISSES -
Your Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 1 Player becomes your Captain.
AND
Your Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 2 Player becomes your Vice Captain.
* Note, in every case the Player named at "Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 1 Player" is taken as a replacement for your Vice Captain. Only when both your Captain and your Vice Captain BOTH miss does the player names at "Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 1 Player" get used.
C) Modified Rule (C) -THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS MODIFIED RULE (B) EXCEPT
THERE IS NO "Captain/Vice Captain Emergency # 2 Player"
* You only name a CAPTAIN (200%) , a VICE CAPTAIN (150%) , and an EMERGENCY C/VC .
everything works the same as it does in modified rule (B) except there is no 2nd Player for cover for your C/VC.
If BOTH your Captain and Vice Captain miss the emergency player naturally replaces your Captain and you get no Vice Captain cover or score.
THE RESULTS
(A) - 2
(B) - 3
(C) - 7
VOTES COUNTED: 12 / 16
JBs_Hawks
picker_man
jayman
adamant
maca24
whatlez
bb67th
nostradamus
koopkicka
jroo8
tbagrocks
tor01doc
Modfied rule 'B' for me thanks CW
If this is where I vote for C VC emerg rule then I vote for the modified rule / option number 2
which I believe gives you the highest score if C and VC play / C misses and VC and emerg 1 play / C and VC both miss and then emerg 1 and 2 play / C plays but VC misses / and generally takes more chance / luck out of the equation which I believe means the better team will benefit more and will counteract the really stupid, brainless, numbskull but absolutely unavoidable sub thingo that is going on and wrecking my life in general.
We should be able to rely on our intelligent decisions regarding C anc VC and reap the rewards of sensible recruiting and not suffer from late withdrawals / general soreness crapola and may the best team win!
Aye Men! ::)
I would like to vote for modified rule C.
Modified rule B for me Colli
Modified rule c please CW! :)
Modified rule C thanks Colli!
That'll be a
C
I just voted A, cause I didn't feel like reading hahah :P
B
There are 4 people / Teams left to vote on this rule. Even if all 3 ( not counting me ) vote for option B it will be short of option C by one vote and require me to vote B just to make it a tie.
As I have aways said I will try to support the majority I will hereby cast my vote for option C,
This means
A = 2
B = 3
C = 8
3 votes left to be cast which cannot alter the outcome, the new rule is C and will be reflected on the official rules thread.
Thanks for the effort in voting guys and to BB and or JB who put the rule up for a vote, obviously the change was the prefered outcome and that is good that we recognize things we want changed before it is too late.
Link to updated rules thread, I think I have it right now, let me know if you think not :)
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,66632.msg864072.html#msg864072
Thanks Colli, good to see that we can change things around by voting on rules and that we have an administrator that is flexible to what the coaches want. I think this rule is a small one to change, but it just clears things up a bit so we all know the rule :)