Timetable Proposed Off-Season Trading - nothing set in stone, comments? Proposed changes? Trying to make it so we have something to do in the off-season.
Trading begins: At the conclusion of WXV Grand Final
Trading concludes: Before WXV National/Preseason/Rookie drafts.
Trades to not have to be pick for pick, i.e. you can trade Scott Pendlebury for 2 players and 2 draft picks if you want, it doesn't have to be a 1 for 1, or 2 for 2.
All trades proposed will be put to vote on the 1st of each month. Voting lasts a week, and is public. If 6 negative votes, the trade fails (wondering if it should be mandatory for coaches to vote?? thoughts?).
So key dates:
31st August - 2nd September: WXV Grand Final
3rd September: Trade Discussions Open
10th September: 1st Trade Voting, every Monday from this date, trades will be voted. The 3rd December will be the last.
15th December: 1st List Lodgements, including a list of retirements/delistings
18th December: Final Draft Order announced.
19th December: WXV National Draft**
Conclusion of Draft: 2nd List Lodgements, including a list of any more retirements/delistings
Once 2nd list lodgements have been given. we have the WXV Preseason/Rookie Draft***
Both drafts need to be finished by 1st February.
Approx 1st February - Final positions named.
8th - 21st February: 2nd Trade Period##
22nd February: Final Lists Announced.
** WXV National Draft Includes:
- All players drafted in the AFL National draft, except for players already listed in a WXV team (i.e. Jason Blake was delisted by St. Kilda last year, if that happens again, Moscow are under no obligation to delist him also)
- The 2 players selected in the Under 17 Mini Draft
- All World XV delistings that are still listed in AFL teams
- The few players that weren't selected in 2011, provided they are still on an AFL list
- EXCLUDES those selected in the AFL Preseason/Rookie drafts
At the end of the WXV Draft, lists can not exceed 41 players. If squads have less than 41, they will get picks in the Preseason draft. Before the draft, all players delisted by an AFL club who did not find another AFL club, must be delisted by the WXV team also.
*** WXV Preseason/Rookie Draft includes:
- All players remaining on AFL lists, including those selected in the AFL pre-season/Rookie drafts not already on a WXV list
Preseason draft, teams with less than 41 players will get first pick at the remaining players.
Rookie Draft will commence after Preseason draft. Squads sizes must be equal at either 45 or 46 players (depending on how many AFL players available).
## 2nd Trade Period
Much like last year, this trade period to help for any unwanted/unexpected positional changes. Maximum 4 player movements per club, with each trade having to be 1 for 1, 2 for 2, 3 for 3 or 4 for 4. Trades will be voted once a day.
Thats awesome oz, I agree and strongly support every idea!
I have already started some preliminary trade talks :o
If anyone wants to talk trades I'll consider all offers.
Awesome work Ossie!
So 1st trade period has no cap?
I'm also open for negotiations. Check my team page with who Im interested in trading.
Quote from: Maca24 on July 13, 2012, 10:48:00 PM
Awesome work Ossie!
So 1st trade period has no cap?
The only cap is people voting your trades down :)
Sounds good os :)
Just a heads up for those who have been struggling to field a ruck man all year. I'm willing to part with either Minson or Griffin if the right offer comes along ;)
Like it.
Thoughts about Mid-Season trading?
Quote from: Master Q on July 16, 2012, 05:55:49 PM
Like it.
Thoughts about Mid-Season trading?
Still against it personally :)
Quote from: ossie85 on July 16, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Master Q on July 16, 2012, 05:55:49 PM
Like it.
Thoughts about Mid-Season trading?
Still against it personally :)
Out of curiosity, why? Not that you can trade whenever, but just one period? Would be too messy?
Quote from: Master Q on July 16, 2012, 06:59:14 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 16, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Master Q on July 16, 2012, 05:55:49 PM
Like it.
Thoughts about Mid-Season trading?
Still against it personally :)
Out of curiosity, why? Not that you can trade whenever, but just one period? Would be too messy?
I like the idea of having the off-season to set up your team. If you are short of certain players during the year, that is either bad management and you'll plan better next time, or bad luck which is part of any game. I also think trading is overrated in this match, it's not like you can buy low and sell high.
Quote from: ossie85 on July 16, 2012, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: Master Q on July 16, 2012, 06:59:14 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 16, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Master Q on July 16, 2012, 05:55:49 PM
Like it.
Thoughts about Mid-Season trading?
Still against it personally :)
Out of curiosity, why? Not that you can trade whenever, but just one period? Would be too messy?
I like the idea of having the off-season to set up your team. If you are short of certain players during the year, that is either bad management and you'll plan better next time, or bad luck which is part of any game. I also think trading is overrated in this match, it's not like you can buy low and sell high.
Fair enough. Thanks Os ;)
I agree with ossie.
Good stuff Ossie its exactly what i was planning for the euro so im going to copy it. I didn't think you would go for the uneven trades but im happy there is no 1 for 1 trade restriction.
Im looking to do alot of trades in the worlds and euro.
Quote from: Holzman on July 16, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Good stuff Ossie its exactly what i was planning for the euro so im going to copy it. I didn't think you would go for the uneven trades but im happy there is no 1 for 1 trade restriction.
Im looking to do alot of trades in the worlds and euro.
Is that coz your bottom in both?? :P
Quote from: Holzman on July 16, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Good stuff Ossie its exactly what i was planning for the euro so im going to copy it. I didn't think you would go for the uneven trades but im happy there is no 1 for 1 trade restriction.
Im looking to do alot of trades in the worlds and euro.
Cheers Holz, 1 for 1 will be in the 2nd trading period, but that is when we all have even lists
Quote from: PowerBug on July 17, 2012, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: Holzman on July 16, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Good stuff Ossie its exactly what i was planning for the euro so im going to copy it. I didn't think you would go for the uneven trades but im happy there is no 1 for 1 trade restriction.
Im looking to do alot of trades in the worlds and euro.
Is that coz your bottom in both?? :P
Only bottom in the worlds, you would probably have to be close to spoon favourites for the English though :)
Quote from: Holzman on July 17, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on July 17, 2012, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: Holzman on July 16, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Good stuff Ossie its exactly what i was planning for the euro so im going to copy it. I didn't think you would go for the uneven trades but im happy there is no 1 for 1 trade restriction.
Im looking to do alot of trades in the worlds and euro.
Is that coz your bottom in both?? :P
Only bottom in the worlds, you would probably have to be close to spoon favourites for the English though :)
Doubt it. :P Nails is a genius.
Quote from: PowerBug on July 17, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: Holzman on July 17, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on July 17, 2012, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: Holzman on July 16, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Good stuff Ossie its exactly what i was planning for the euro so im going to copy it. I didn't think you would go for the uneven trades but im happy there is no 1 for 1 trade restriction.
Im looking to do alot of trades in the worlds and euro.
Is that coz your bottom in both?? :P
Only bottom in the worlds, you would probably have to be close to spoon favourites for the English though :)
Doubt it. :P Nails is a genius.
Nice ironic use of the word ironic.
I just had idea, but it could be pretty stupid.
Now I reckon I'm not the only person in the Worlds (see what I did there :P) that may have a few too many players of a particular club. This can pose a problem because if that club was to play a bad game, a chunk of your team will score bad as well, its happened to me too many times :-[. So what I'm proposing, is to offer a "depth package," which consists of a older player, a mid-aged player and a young player, that aren't necessarily all that good (in Supercoach terms anyway), but good enough to pinch the odd game in the starting 15.
For example, a team could offer (if they had the players):
Josh Hunt, Daniel Jackson and Bryce Retzlaff
These players, ideally, are players that you have too much of a certain club, or simply just isn't quite there, but could be serviceable to another club. Fringe players basically.
In return, obviously, would be a depth package that is basically exactly the same in value, trading a rock for a rock.
Who knows, that rock you get might get the next Ivan Maric or another huge improver. You could get rid of a player just before they get an ACL (sorry hp ;)), or you could get rid of players you have too much from a club.
Anyway, just an idea that I'm interested to do, and in the end its just a bit of trade fun....... i love trade talks :D
Purps it's not our fault you decided to draft so many Demons :P
Not a bad idea Purps, I'm looking to off load some of my fringe defenders for instance, particularly with some teams struggling to field a defense would do well to have Maxwell, O'Brien, Mackenzie, etc all averaging in the 70s
The London Royals will be looking to off load defenders and mids in exchange for forawrds and rucks during trade period.
Quote from: CrowsFan on July 20, 2012, 08:40:35 PM
Purps it's not our fault you decided to draft so many Demons :P
. Yes I know. My bad. Lol. But I still think most of my demons will be good scorers one day! And I think a lot of people will be doing the same thing too ringo, rucks and forwards are hard to come by it seems ;)
When I analysed the Royals squad I only have 8 forwards so obviously need to get some depth here. Thankfully Post made the final cut to allow 4 designated forwards to play.
Picking a reliable ruck in the first round, then taking a showerload of forwards and backs is starting to make sense now. Mids are the easiest to pick up in future drafts. Not many teams are going to be selecting mids in the national draft so Moscow can get some bargains. Caolan Mooney, Ben Sinclair, Tom Williams will all be listed as forwards next year, adding to the already impressive forward depth.
Deals will be done.
I like my Port players Purple! :P
And after tonights game i love them. :D Paul Stewart a steal in the 2nd last round. :D
Just putting Brent Moloney out there if anyone is interested. He has had a terrible year but his previous years have been consistent, reliable and averaging in the 90's. Would prefer a solid defender or forward in return, but since this is very early days, my needs might change and any "unofficial deal" or agreement made might still not go through, but I'm definitely seeking to trade Brent Moloney - pretty much the only reason being is that I have too many demons :-[
Hi guys all player except Rocky and Zorko available. Keen to get rid of Dal Santo looking for forwards and rucks
Im willing to trade away my best player, Calan Ward only 22 years of age and is averaging 107. Desperately need a good young forward.
Have i mentioned that Swan, Boyd and Scotland will not be in Argentina next year?? :o A new home for these people is yet to be finalized.
Hey guys, would like to limit trading of picks within in the first 5 rounds of the National Draft and 4 rounds of the rookie draft. Otherwise it gets too complicated.... (i.e. you can't trade Joe Blog for 8th round draft pick).
Currently lists are at 46.
By the time the National Draft comes round, I think the lists should be cut down to 36. Leaving 5 picks for the National Draft, and either 4 or 5 for the rookie draft.
If you have 36 players on your list, you'll get 5 National Draft picks.
If you have 35 players on your list, you'll get 6 Draft picks..... and so on.
Does that sound fair?
Sounds fair to me!
Do the players that we delist go into the rookie draft?
AND
If (and can) you have 37 players and 4 national draft picks, 38 and 3 and so on? Or is it a requirement to delist 10 players before the drafts?
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 29, 2012, 12:14:17 PM
Sounds fair to me!
Do the players that we delist go into the rookie draft?
AND
If (and can) you have 37 players and 4 national draft picks, 38 and 3 and so on? Or is it a requirement to delist 10 players before the drafts?
Thinking both national and rookie draft.
And reckon it should be a requirement to delist 10...
Yeah I think so too. But for example, if after the trade period you end up with 44 players, is it then a requirement to delist 8 or is it still 10? And the same if you ended up with more than 46 players?
36 players max I think before national draft
Sounds good. :) But after the drafts the squad szies are unlimited? :)
Quote from: PowerBug on July 29, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
Sounds good. :) But after the drafts the squad szies are unlimited? :)
No... at the end, squad sizes will be fixed at 45 or 46 depending on how large AFL squads are
Quote from: ossie85 on July 29, 2012, 04:53:53 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on July 29, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
Sounds good. :) But after the drafts the squad szies are unlimited? :)
No... at the end, squad sizes will be fixed at 45 or 46 depending on how large AFL squads are
So no 2 for 1 trades will be made?
Quote from: PowerBug on July 29, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 29, 2012, 04:53:53 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on July 29, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
Sounds good. :) But after the drafts the squad szies are unlimited? :)
No... at the end, squad sizes will be fixed at 45 or 46 depending on how large AFL squads are
So no 2 for 1 trades will be made?
I refer you to the first post of this thread :)
Two trade periods
One where you can trade however you like (with approval)
One where you have to do 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 (after the drafts)
Chapman, goodes and didak available in a packaged deal if anyone is interested. Also have fringe Backman available.
Quote from: Maca24 on July 30, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
Chapman, goodes and didak available in a packaged deal if anyone is interested. Also have fringe Backman available.
Shouldn't you be focusing on a flag?
Quote from: ossie85 on July 30, 2012, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: Maca24 on July 30, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
Chapman, goodes and didak available in a packaged deal if anyone is interested. Also have fringe Backman available.
Shouldn't you be focusing on a flag?
Shouldn't you be focusing on finals instead of harassing Maca? Oh wait...
Seriously though, I think I should trade you some of my luck next season.
Quote from: meow meow on July 30, 2012, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on July 30, 2012, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: Maca24 on July 30, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
Chapman, goodes and didak available in a packaged deal if anyone is interested. Also have fringe Backman available.
Shouldn't you be focusing on a flag?
Shouldn't you be focusing on finals instead of harassing Maca? Oh wait...
Seriously though, I think I should trade you some of my luck next season.
Lol meow, I don't begrudge you - If I was good enough to beat you, I would have lol. I begrudge Cookie Monster for handing you a win though :(
And yes, I'd be keen for any luck anyone can give me!
Quote from: ossie85 on July 29, 2012, 01:28:17 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on July 29, 2012, 12:14:17 PM
Sounds fair to me!
Do the players that we delist go into the rookie draft?
AND
If (and can) you have 37 players and 4 national draft picks, 38 and 3 and so on? Or is it a requirement to delist 10 players before the drafts?
Thinking both national and rookie draft.
And reckon it should be a requirement to delist 10...
Like the AFL, delisted players should only be available in the pre-season/rookie draft.
But honestly, I think 10 players is quite a lot to delist...perhaps we have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 10.
Lastly, when do AFL teams have to confirm list lodgements? Our list lodgements would have to occur after that date, cause I'd hate to keep someone on my list that is suddenly delisted... :-\
There can't be a minumum of 10. Some teams could have 12 players retire and 5 get delisted.
Quote from: meow meow on July 30, 2012, 08:45:43 PM
There can't be a maximum* of 10. Some teams could have 12 players retire and 5 get delisted.
Fair point. But surely there has to be a cap on delistings.
Quote from: c4v3m4n on July 30, 2012, 08:41:10 PM
Like the AFL, delisted players should only be available in the pre-season/rookie draft.
But honestly, I think 10 players is quite a lot to delist...perhaps we have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 10.
Lastly, when do AFL teams have to confirm list lodgements? Our list lodgements would have to occur after that date, cause I'd hate to keep someone on my list that is suddenly delisted... :-\
Delisted players can enter the National draft in the AFL, no problem. Happens all the time. Ah, Luke Ball you star.
We won't be doing any drafting until after the actual drafts, by which time AFL lists will be finalised.
10 won't be that many really, reckon most clubs do that in the AFL. Think about it, AFL clubs would draft at least 8 players a year.
As far as a maximum delistings, there comes a point where it would be detrimental to a team to delist 20 players.. reckon it regulates itself
Delisted players can't only be available in the rookie draft. They have to be available in the national draft because let's say I get 5 picks in our national draft. That would be about pick 80. 80 players won't get drafted in the AFL national draft, which would mean my pick is useless.
Quote from: ossie85 on July 30, 2012, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: c4v3m4n on July 30, 2012, 08:41:10 PM
Like the AFL, delisted players should only be available in the pre-season/rookie draft.
But honestly, I think 10 players is quite a lot to delist...perhaps we have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 10.
Lastly, when do AFL teams have to confirm list lodgements? Our list lodgements would have to occur after that date, cause I'd hate to keep someone on my list that is suddenly delisted... :-\
Delisted players can enter the National draft in the AFL, no problem. Happens all the time. Ah, Luke Ball you star.
We won't be doing any drafting until after the actual drafts, by which time AFL lists will be finalised.
10 won't be that many really, reckon most clubs do that in the AFL. Think about it, AFL clubs would draft at least 8 players a year.
As far as a maximum delistings, there comes a point where it would be detrimental to a team to delist 20 players.. reckon it regulates itself
Forgot about Luke Ball. Fair enough then.
Looking at last years delistings, sackings and retirements, Richmond and Gold Coast were the only teams to delist 10 players. So yeah, I guess 10 will work.
Quote from: meow meow on July 30, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Delisted players can't only be available in the rookie draft. They have to be available in the national draft because let's say I get 5 picks in our national draft. That would be about pick 80. 80 players won't get drafted in the AFL national draft, which would mean my pick is useless.
Could always trade it... ;)
Quote from: c4v3m4n on July 30, 2012, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: meow meow on July 30, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Delisted players can't only be available in the rookie draft. They have to be available in the national draft because let's say I get 5 picks in our national draft. That would be about pick 80. 80 players won't get drafted in the AFL national draft, which would mean my pick is useless.
Could always trade it... ;)
I'd rather use it on a player that you were forced to delist but wanted to keep.
Back to my squad sizes comment, the way i read it is i can trade and have 50 players on my squad, but will then have to delist 14 to cut it back to 36? :)
Quote from: PowerBug on July 31, 2012, 10:17:43 AM
Back to my squad sizes comment, the way i read it is i can trade and have 50 players on my squad, but will then have to delist 14 to cut it back to 36? :)
Yup
How many rounds are there in the National Draft? And i presume there are no "bonus" picks or anything for the shower teams, it'll just go form last to first for X amount of rounds?
Quote from: PowerBug on July 31, 2012, 02:33:42 PM
How many rounds are there in the National Draft? And i presume there are no "bonus" picks or anything for the shower teams, it'll just go form last to first for X amount of rounds?
I really wish people would read the rules lol!
Yes, there are bonus picks for 'shower' teams.
Dublin will receive an extra pick at the end of the first round because they won less than 4 matches. So they get picks #1, #19, #20.
The number of picks each team will be determined by the number of places you have available on your list.
If you have 36 players, you'll get 5 picks to bring you up to 41. If you don't use all your picks you will get picks in the rookie draft. You will then have either 4 or 5 from the rookie draft (depending if we have enough players for 45 or 46 per club).
If we trade out our 5 picks in the national draft and we have 36 players on our list, does this mean we get 10 picks in the rookie draft?
Quote from: meow meow on July 31, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
If we trade out our 5 picks in the national draft and we have 36 players on our list, does this mean we get 10 picks in the rookie draft?
I'm interested in the answer to this.
Quote from: meow meow on July 31, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
If we trade out our 5 picks in the national draft and we have 36 players on our list, does this mean we get 10 picks in the rookie draft?
No, it just means your first of 5 picks won't be until round 6 of the national draft :)
Quote from: ossie85 on July 13, 2012, 10:24:59 AM
Timetable Proposed Off-Season Trading - nothing set in stone, comments? Proposed changes? Trying to make it so we have something to do in the off-season.
Trading begins: At the conclusion of WXV Grand Final
Trading concludes: Before WXV National/Preseason/Rookie drafts.
Trades to not have to be pick for pick, i.e. you can trade Scott Pendlebury for 2 players and 2 draft picks if you want, it doesn't have to be a 1 for 1, or 2 for 2.
All trades proposed will be put to vote on the 1st of each month. Voting lasts a week, and is public. If 6 negative votes, the trade fails (wondering if it should be mandatory for coaches to vote?? thoughts?).
So key dates:
31st August - 2nd September: WXV Grand Final
3rd September: Trade Discussions Open
1st to 8th of October: 1st trade voting
1st to 8th of November: 2nd trade voting
1st to 8th of December: 3rd trade voting
15th December: 1st List Lodgements, including a list of retirements/delistings
18th December: Final Draft Order announced.
19th December: WXV National Draft**
Conclusion of Draft: 2nd List Lodgements, including a list of any more retirements/delistings
Once 2nd list lodgements have been given. we have the WXV Preseason/Rookie Draft***
Both drafts need to be finished by 1st February.
Approx 1st February - Final positions named.
8th - 21st February: 2nd Trade Period##
22nd February: Final Lists Announced.
** WXV National Draft Includes:
- All players drafted in the AFL National draft, except for players already listed in a WXV team (i.e. Jason Blake was delisted by St. Kilda last year, if that happens again, Moscow are under no obligation to delist him also)
- The 2 players selected in the Under 17 Mini Draft
- All World XV delistings that are still listed in AFL teams
- The few players that weren't selected in 2011, provided they are still on an AFL list
- EXCLUDES those selected in the AFL Preseason/Rookie drafts
At the end of the WXV Draft, lists can not exceed 41 players. If squads have less than 41, they will get picks in the Preseason draft. Before the draft, all players delisted by an AFL club who did not find another AFL club, must be delisted by the WXV team also.
*** WXV Preseason/Rookie Draft includes:
- All players remaining on AFL lists, including those selected in the AFL pre-season/Rookie drafts not already on a WXV list
Preseason draft, teams with less than 41 players will get first pick at the remaining players.
Rookie Draft will commence after Preseason draft. Squads sizes must be equal at either 45 or 46 players (depending on how many AFL players available).
## 2nd Trade Period
Much like last year, this trade period to help for any unwanted/unexpected positional changes. Maximum 4 player movements per club, with each trade having to be 1 for 1, 2 for 2, 3 for 3 or 4 for 4. Trades will be voted once a day.
So anyone can vote even if they aren't involved in the comp? All it will take is one coach to get other people to vote against a trade if it's public...
I think it means that coaches who object to the trade will have to say why on the forum, rather than in a PM to Ossie.
Quote from: meow meow on August 01, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
I think it means that coaches who object to the trade will have to say why on the forum, rather than in a PM to Ossie.
^meow understands me
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2012, 08:47:03 PM
Quote from: meow meow on August 01, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
I think it means that coaches who object to the trade will have to say why on the forum, rather than in a PM to Ossie.
^meow understands me
Ah makes sense :-[
If anyone wants some midfielders and is willing to give up other players, feel free to send me a PM with some offers.
I've contacted most of you in regards to trade week, but for those who I haven't...
Everyone is up for trade at the Islanders (except our rucks). Accepting all reasonable offers.
In return, we are seeking:
- Players under the age of 23 (as of March 2013) with promising talent.
- Preferably we'd like a like-for-like trade (ie. A forward for a forward or a defender for a defender) but happy to consider alternatives.
- Or simply, draft picks.
Look forward to discussing trades with you all in the coming months.
Im looking to ship of calan ward, probably my best player a nice average is still very young and pumped out another big score with a 142 today. Looking for forwards or willing to add some extra stuff to turn him into a super premium.
Dublin Destroyers
1, 19*, 20, 38, 56, 74
New York Eagles
2, 21, 39, 57, 75
Berlin Brewers
3, 22, 40, 58, 76
PNL
4, 23, 41, 59, 77
Cairo Sands
5, 24, 42, 60, 78
Tokyo Samurai
6, 25, 43, 61, 79
Pacific Islanders
7, 26, 44, 62, 80
New Delhi Tigers
8, 27, 45, 63, 81
London Royals
9, 28, 46, 64, 82
Seoul Magpies
10, 29, 47, 65, 83
Beijing Bears
11, 30, 48, 66, 84
Wellington Warriors
12, 31, 49, 67, 85
Toronto Wolves
13, 32, 50, 68, 86
Moscow Spetsnaz
14, 33, 51, 69, 87
Buenos Aires Armadillos
15, 34, 52, 70, 88
Sao Paulo Pumas
16, 35, 53, 71, 89
Cape Town Cobras
17, 36, 54, 72, 90
Mexico City Suns
18, 37, 55, 73, 91
Cheers meow meow!
Remember though picks are based after finals... so if say the Pumas crash and burn and finish 5th, they'll get pick 14 not 18
Quote from: ossie85 on August 09, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Cheers meow meow!
Remember though picks are based after finals... so if say the Pumas crash and burn and finish 5th, they'll get pick 14 not 18
But they wont change for the teams outside the top 8. Cheers meow meow.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 09, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Cheers meow meow!
Remember though picks are based after finals... so if say the Pumas crash and burn and finish 5th, they'll get pick 14 not 18
Forgot about that. In that case I better change Moscow to the pick 18 bunch.
Just had a thought...
...won't there be more draft picks due to the amount of delisted players that will be available in the National Draft?
Quote from: c4v3m4n on August 10, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Just had a thought...
...won't there be more draft picks due to the amount of delisted players that will be available in the National Draft?
Yeah, pretty much! Should all work out though
Quote from: ossie85 on August 10, 2012, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: c4v3m4n on August 10, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Just had a thought...
...won't there be more draft picks due to the amount of delisted players that will be available in the National Draft?
Yeah, pretty much! Should all work out though
How many rounds do you think there will be in total?
I posted the first 5 rounds only, because they are the picks that are able to be traded.
If we're cutting our lists to 34 then there should be about 6-7 picks in this draft, and 4-5 in the rookie draft. That's just a rough guide, and some teams will need up to 10 rounds in the WXV national draft I think.
Quote from: meow meow on August 10, 2012, 04:31:29 PM
I posted the first 5 rounds only, because they are the picks that are able to be traded.
If we're cutting our lists to 34 then there should be about 6-7 picks in this draft, and 4-5 in the rookie draft. That's just a rough guide, and some teams will need up to 10 rounds in the WXV national draft I think.
Shouldn't we able to trade all of our picks though? It's not everyone will pick the national draft players in the first 5 rounds, I'm sure there will be teams that will select delisted players before some of the draftees.
From the boss:
Quote from: ossie85 on July 29, 2012, 12:09:57 PM
Hey guys, would like to limit trading of picks within in the first 5 rounds of the National Draft and 4 rounds of the rookie draft.
Quote from: meow meow on August 10, 2012, 04:50:37 PM
From the boss:
Quote from: ossie85 on July 29, 2012, 12:09:57 PM
Hey guys, would like to limit trading of picks within in the first 5 rounds of the National Draft and 4 rounds of the rookie draft.
Hadn't seen that. :-\
Opting to trade rookie draft picks is interesting, not sure I totally agree with it to be honest. It's quite hard to judge their worth compared to national draft picks.
Yeah, the issue is everyone should be able to pick in the first 5 rounds - outside that people could get 'picks' through trades that they can't actually use.... All gets too complicated IMO
And slight correction meow, lists cut down to 36, not 34 :)
Need forwards?
Feeling depleted?
Yearning for a reliable forward who is named week in, week out?
Then look no further than Matthew Stokes! Although not a great year from the great man, history says Stokes can average well into the eighties, a feat that is rare amongst forwards.
So why not?
Contact me, Purple 77, and press your claims for this wonderful player
Note: Defenders are the preference
Matthew Stokes. The guy who was charged with cocaine trafficking, possession? SEND HIM OUR WAY!
I need forwards 65-75 average i dont care they just need to play. If you have anyone who plays regularly but cant make your sqaud talk to me. looking for players 26 and under
Looking for a decent ruckman under 26 & a premium defender under 26. Cloke, Leuenberger, Patton all on offer. Full trade list here - http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,44823.msg843580.html#msg843580
Quote from: meow meow on August 13, 2012, 06:10:22 PM
Matthew Stokes. The guy who was charged with cocaine trafficking, possession? SEND HIM OUR WAY!
He can make friends with Libba. ;)
Robbie Warnock
All mids up for grabs (except Jordie McKenzie and Travis Boak)
Buenos Aires Team Page (http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,44829.0.html)
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 13, 2012, 05:59:42 PM
Then look no further than Matthew Stokes! Although not a great year from the great man, history says Stokes can average well into the eighties, a feat that is rare amongst forwards.
Averaging 80 is rare for a forward? Hmm that's surprising considering I've got 5 averaging 89 or more :P
Quote from: CrowsFan on August 13, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 13, 2012, 05:59:42 PM
Then look no further than Matthew Stokes! Although not a great year from the great man, history says Stokes can average well into the eighties, a feat that is rare amongst forwards.
Averaging 80 is rare for a forward? Hmm that's surprising considering I've got 5 averaging 89 or more :P
You're just putting more and more pressure on your team now. :P
If anyone is in need of depth/fringe players then let me know. I have plenty of forwards and backs available. I also have three former first round picks that will be able to be taken off my hands for next to nothing.
Quote from: meow meow on August 13, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
If anyone is in need of depth/fringe players then let me know. I have plenty of forwards and backs available. I also have three former first round picks that will be able to be taken off my hands for next to nothing.
Is one of those Richard Tambling?
Quote from: ossie85 on August 13, 2012, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: meow meow on August 13, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
If anyone is in need of depth/fringe players then let me know. I have plenty of forwards and backs available. I also have three former first round picks that will be able to be taken off my hands for next to nothing.
Is one of those Richard Tambling?
Possibly! I shouldn't try to trade him. I'd have to give someone my first pick and Tambling for someone's 5th round pick. I'd still be getting the better deal.
Just a suggestion, but perhaps there will need to be more voting times for trades?
Instead of monthly, maybe fortnightly? My reasons are because if a trade gets knocked back then it could screw up all the trade discussions had for that month.
That's a good point. Maybe their should be an escape clause agreed in a trade? And another suggestion, although the final runs into this, I know a lot (me included) of coaches have been negotiating for ages, maybe we could have another vote period at the start of September for those who have had a month or more of talks? October is AGES away, and I bet a few trades have been made already.
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 23, 2012, 08:10:09 AM
That's a good point. Maybe their should be an escape clause agreed in a trade? And another suggestion, although the final runs into this, I know a lot (me included) of coaches have been negotiating for ages, maybe we could have another vote period at the start of September for those who have had a month or more of talks? October is AGES away, and I bet a few trades have been made already.
THIS.
Quote from: Maca24 on August 23, 2012, 01:11:52 AM
Just a suggestion, but perhaps there will need to be more voting times for trades?
Instead of monthly, maybe fortnightly? My reasons are because if a trade gets knocked back then it could screw up all the trade discussions had for that month.
Yeah, fair call.
@Purple - I like the 'escape clause' idea, i.e. *this trade is conditioned on trade X being approved*
And previous feedback suggests that the voting should be private, also willing to do that.
I'm also thinking of allowing 'bidding'. I.e.
Team A trades Player X to Team B for Player Y.
Team C thinks, 'hey, I really want Player X' and offers Player Z. Team A then has the option of backing down on the original trade, and accepting the new.
just thinking Logistics her Oss if allowing a bidding war.
Assume this waht you are proposing.
Trades Listed on the Trade page
PM voting required with a deadline in place
Now to the bidding
How do I express interest in player being traded. PM to the coach and listing in thread.
Waht if majority by the tinme of my interest has approved trade.
Maybe the Solution may be
List all trades for the week on Monday
Any counter offers etc to be agrreed and published by Thursday.
Voting completed by Saturday.
Some good points Ringo, and think your proposal would just about solve it. Any comments coaches?
Yes, any 'bidding' should be PM'd privately to avoid unnecessary conflict. But I think if any new deal is reached, they have to wait until next voting period to do it.
How about we make it easier and just have every Monday as voting Monday, and voting to be completed on the Saturday.
I also want EVERY coach to vote and be involved. Not sure how this can be enforced....
Quote from: ossie85 on August 23, 2012, 09:29:51 AM
Some good points Ringo, and think your proposal would just about solve it. Any comments coaches?
Yes, any 'bidding' should be PM'd privately to avoid unnecessary conflict. But I think if any new deal is reached, they have to wait until next voting period to do it.
How about we make it easier and just have every Monday as voting Monday, and voting to be completed on the Saturday.
I also want EVERY coach to vote and be involved. Not sure how this can be enforced....
Like both these points, and agree completely.
Rightio, how about we use the same rule as we do when submitting a team...
If you miss 2 voting periods in a row, you are sacked? Harsh, but the off-season is important also
Quote from: ossie85 on August 23, 2012, 10:28:28 AM
Rightio, how about we use the same rule as we do when submitting a team...
If you miss 2 voting periods in a row, you are sacked? Harsh, but the off-season is important also
I don't have a problem with that :)
Me Neither :)
But what about an september trading period?
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 23, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Me Neither :)
But what about an september trading period?
Thinking of every Monday from the week AFTER the Grand Final onwards... people disagree?
I like that.
When would it finish?
Quote from: ossie85 on August 23, 2012, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 23, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Me Neither :)
But what about an september trading period?
Thinking of every Monday from the week AFTER the Grand Final onwards... people disagree?
sounds perfect.
*looks at calendar*
Week beginning 3rd of December the last
Agree also with weekly trade periods commencing after grand final. Would get all the "unofficial trdaes" that have been reached out of the way early.
So just to Clarify - How do we know whilst voting of any new deals. Will the coach involved in the trade period just post New Deal reached withdrawn from this weeks vote.
Second Question and maybe it is there somewhere but have not been able to find it are we limited to a number of trades this period till December. may be getting comps mixed but can vaguely remember reading 5 trades somewhere.
Fairly sure it's as many trades as you want at the moment ringo ;)
QuoteSo just to Clarify - How do we know whilst voting of any new deals. Will the coach involved in the trade period just post New Deal reached withdrawn from this weeks vote.
Yeah, that sounds logical... fine with that.
QuoteSecond Question and maybe it is there somewhere but have not been able to find it are we limited to a number of trades this period till December. may be getting comps mixed but can vaguely remember reading 5 trades somewhere.
Unlimited trades, pending on whether they are approved or not up until the National Draft.
Once the drafts have been completed and positions have been announced, another trade period will occur - which will be limited to 4 player movements for each coach.
I'm really looking forward to this draft period and I think it is the right move to make it right after the grand final because it is kind of boring doing nothing. :P
Also if you want to trade for any of my guys, send me a PM. Disappointed with 2012 season and making quite a few trades.
Wow, lot of talk recently. But I agree with it all. :D
Quote from: ossie85 on August 23, 2012, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 23, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Me Neither :)
But what about an september trading period?
Thinking of every Monday from the week AFTER the Grand Final onwards... people disagree?
Do you mean the actual GF or Super Coach GF. I am happy to start after the SC Grand final on 3rd September if all happy.
Quote from: Ringo on August 23, 2012, 06:43:41 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 23, 2012, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Purple 77 on August 23, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Me Neither :)
But what about an september trading period?
Thinking of every Monday from the week AFTER the Grand Final onwards... people disagree?
Do you mean the actual GF or Super Coach GF. I am happy to start after the SC Grand final on 3rd September if all happy.
I took it to mean Sept. 3 because that would leave us 2 months to open up the trade period.
Pretty sure it says what is happening on page 1.
Quote from: meow meow on August 23, 2012, 06:58:36 PM
Pretty sure it says what is happening on page 1.
I knew it was updated and didn't look. :-[
Also just putting it out there. Anyone want Wellingham, Masten or Armitage? Send me a PM.
Paul Chapman and Nick Riewoldt on the table, along with a few of my backman.
Hoping to get a reliable defender or a younger forward.
Well with the Pumas now out of the premiership race (:'() I'm ready to start negotiations with other teams regarding trades. I will put up a list of players who I'm willing to trade/not trade in the next couple of days once I go through my team list. In the mean time feel free to send me offers about players before this goes up and I will get back to you. I know a few of you have already messaged me, but to be honest I can't remember who, so send me a message :)
By the way I could be persuaded into trading Ablett if the offer is right ;)
Gone through my squad list and I've decided on who will be kept on and who is available to trade, so check below and message me if you're interested in any of the players :)
Unavailable Unless I Receive Amazing Offer
Gary Ablett
Rory Sloane
Beau Waters
Bachar Houli
Jarryd Roughead
David Zaharakis
Sam Jacobs
Hamish Hartlett
Don't Want To Trade, But Could Be Convinced
Scott McMahon
Tony Armstrong
Dylan Roberton
Ryan Harwood
Mitch Wallis
Mitch Duncan
Will Minson
Brendan Whitecross
Matthew Wright
Devon Smith
Peter Yagmoor
Luke Lowden
Up For Negotiation
Sam Fisher
Daniel Cross
Dan Hannebery
Jarryd Blair
Jason Porplyzia
Steven Motlop
Zach Tuohy
Alex Silvagni
Jon Griffin
Brett O'Hanlon
Liam Sumner
Rory Thompson
Pretty Much Willing To Let Go
Simon White
Seb Tape
Alex Forster
Jimmy Webster
Andrew Raines
Hayden Jolly
Ariel Steinberg
Brett O'Hanlon
Plus all my rookie listed players are up for trade too :)
Got 2 pretty big trades already agreed to for the Pumas. Looking at doing maybe 1 or 2 other trades, but don't plan on being especially active during the trade period...
Quote from: CrowsFan on August 30, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
Got 2 pretty big trades already agreed to for the Pumas. Looking at doing maybe 1 or 2 other trades, but don't plan on being especially active during the trade period...
I'd like Ablett :P
As I'm sure I've mentioned, the Pacific Islanders have radically decided to head in a new direction, opting for youth over experience.
This said, all senior players like Chris Judd, Josh Gibson, Drew Petrie, Daniel Kerr, Andrew Walker, Quinten Lynch, Sam Gibson, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Matt Campbell, Lee Spurr, Steve Clifton and Simon Black are all available for trade as they not required at the club next year.
The Islanders are looking for players under 23 (as of Mar 2012) in any position or decent draft picks in return.
Other younger players will be more difficult to obtain, unless a good offer is on the table.
;D
Hey ossie I just want to check something with you, which others may also be wondering.
As it currently stands everyone has a squad list of 46 players and have been given 5 picks in the national draft. You are saying me must delist 10 players so that after the national draft we have a squad of 41 before going in to the rookie draft to complete the lists. But what happens if I trade away a draft pick or two without getting any back so I only have say 3 draft picks. Would I still have to delist 10 players down to 36 before the draft even though I can only pick up 3 players in the draft to take my squad to 39? Or would I only have to delist 8?
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 04:57:06 PM
Hey ossie I just want to check something with you, which others may also be wondering.
As it currently stands everyone has a squad list of 46 players and have been given 5 picks in the national draft. You are saying me must delist 10 players so that after the national draft we have a squad of 41 before going in to the rookie draft to complete the lists. But what happens if I trade away a draft pick or two without getting any back so I only have say 3 draft picks. Would I still have to delist 10 players down to 36 before the draft even though I can only pick up 3 players in the draft to take my squad to 39? Or would I only have to delist 8?
My guess is 8.
No probs.
Before the draft happens you must have 36 players max
You'll be given 5 picks, minimum. If you say trade away your round 2 and round 4 pick, you'll get a round 6 and round 7 pick...
But I really think that isn't the fairest way, cos when you are trading away the draft picks you are doing it to keep your players instead of draft picks. Then making us still delist players and give us crappy draft picks is pretty unfair in my opinion.
Should only have to delist enough players so that before the nat draft occurs your number of players on your list and number of draft picks equals 41
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
But I really think that is stupid
Cheers CF, but I don't respond to that, feel free to reword
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
But I really think that is stupid though cos when you are trading away the draft picks you are doing it to keep your players instead of draft picks. Then making us still delist players and give us crappy draft picks is pretty unfair in my opinion.
Should only have to delist enough players so that before the nat draft occurs your number of players on your list and number of draft picks equals 41
I agree, not with the stupid bit, but that it should be changed. If you want to trade away draft picks, you shouldn't be given more picks, you should be able to keep more players.
I still have very little idea of who I am going to delist.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 02, 2012, 05:07:06 PM
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
But I really think that is stupid
Cheers CF, but I don't respond to that, feel free to reword
Yeah sorry poor choice of wording. Will reword it ;)
The way the AFL systems works is:
Total Senior Positions Available minus Senior Spots filled = number of draft picks you get.
Collingwood in recent years trade there first couple of rounds of draft picks, but they still get another pick to make the numbers.
The difference here is we don't have an official rookie list.
What do others think?
If people don't want a delisting minimum, you still won't be able to go over 41 IMO (it would be really hard to make the drafts reflect reality otherwise).
So, if you have 41 players, you get NO picks.
If you have 40 players, you get 1 pick....
If you have 20 players, you get 21 picks!
That's the way the AFL basically works
Thought that by giving everybody a minimum 5 picks, you'd make the draft interesting.
I think it should be dependant on the draft picks you've got.
Let's say, for example, everyone is given 5 draft picks.
During, the trade period, CF trades me his second round and third picks.
Which means, after the draft period, I then have 7 draft picks and CF has 3.
Before the ND, this would mean that I would have to delist 7 and CF has to only delist 3. Draft order isn't comprimised and CF can keep more players.
Win win.
Well with everyone having 5 picks that means there is 90 (plus the extra one for holz) picks in the draft. The way I am suggesting it will still have all 91 picks to be taken, just not 5 from each team. Some will have 6 or 7 picks whilst others will have 3 or 4. The people with 6 picks would obviously have to delist 11 players, and the players with 4 picks only delist 9.
I'll use an example to explain. Currently I have picks 16, 35, 53, 71 and 89. If I was to trade player X and my second round pick for player Y then I would still have 46 players, but only 4 picks. I would be doing that because there are players on my list I rate higher than draft picks (especially picks I would receive after pick 89) and would be annoyed to delist them for a crappy late stage pick. So I would prefer to only have to delist 9 to have a list of 37 players and then pick up 4 players in the draft.
The other team receiving player X and the second round pick would still have 46 players, but 6 picks, so would need to delist 11 of their players to have a list of 35 before taking their 6 national draft picks.
Yep basically what c4 said, except he forgot the players you had to drop for the rookie draft.
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 05:29:03 PM
Yep basically what c4 said, except he forgot the players you had to drop for the rookie draft.
That should also be dependant on how many players you delist before the rookie draft as well.
Quote from: c4v3m4n on September 02, 2012, 05:34:27 PM
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 05:29:03 PM
Yep basically what c4 said, except he forgot the players you had to drop for the rookie draft.
That should also be dependant on how many players you delist before the rookie draft as well.
Ah yes good point
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 05:27:43 PM
Well with everyone having 5 picks that means there is 90 (plus the extra one for holz) picks in the draft. The way I am suggesting it will still have all 91 picks to be taken, just not 5 from each team. Some will have 6 or 7 picks whilst others will have 3 or 4. The people with 6 picks would obviously have to delist 11 players, and the players with 4 picks only delist 9.
I'll use an example to explain. Currently I have picks 16, 35, 53, 71 and 89. If I was to trade player X and my second round pick for player Y then I would still have 46 players, but only 4 picks. I would be doing that because there are players on my list I rate higher than draft picks (especially picks I would receive after pick 89) and would be annoyed to delist them for a crappy late stage pick. So I would prefer to only have to delist 9 to have a list of 37 players and then pick up 4 players in the draft.
The other team receiving player X and the second round pick would still have 46 players, but 6 picks, so would need to delist 11 of their players to have a list of 35 before taking their 6 national draft picks.
There is merit to that, but it is inconsistent with how the AFL system works.
How would you work it when say a few teams have say 15 players delisted/retired, and there are literally not enough players for that coach to pick to bring up to 41?
It is possible with that...
Always said that this is a democracy though
For example, 143 players were delisted/retired last year, very few of them picked up again in the National Draft
143 forced delistings by the AFL Clubs
Meaning, you would need 53 picks minimum to get everyone up to 41 players each. And that's assuming an even distribution.
Last year, there were 88 Draft Picks, and that was abnormally high because of the draft. 13 of those were Rookie Promotions which would mean 75 picks, take away all the extra GWS picks and you're looking at 65-70 picks maximum.
Leaves a very fine line as to whether teams will be able to get up to 41 each before the rookie/preseason. Likely meaning the strong teams have an advantage of the weak players.
A minimum of 10 delistings = 180 players across the comp, meaning a guarantee that everybody will be able to complete a list. Under last year, that means 37 players 'listed' players delisted.
Hope that makes sense... cos I'm not sure it does lol
Yeah fair enough ossie, I guess I'm just complaining because I can't figure out who to delist...
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 02, 2012, 06:11:27 PM
Yeah fair enough ossie, I guess I'm just complaining because I can't figure out who to delist...
Seriously, if people feel that 10 is too much, I'm willing to compromise!
I sound cranky today cos I haven't slept much in about 3 days after moving house and going out last night lol
Yeah maybe it is just 10 is too much considering that is 22% of your squad getting cut!
I have 39 players on my list who played AFL games this year. One of the strong suits of my team is the depth. It will weaken my team if I have to cut it back to 36, but I don't have a problem with that at all. It's fair. When Tambling goes on to be a superstar at someone else's team it will just add to the rivalry.
Sid and I were having a discussion about trades and drafting and Sid had suggested that we should have originally had "zone picks" when we started; for example Wellington could have picked Dustin Martin (one of his parents were born there), Toronto could have picked Mike Pyke Mania and I myself could have landed NicNat.
Oh what a brillant idea that would have been. :o
But it got us thinking, for future drafts, should we look at introducing a drafting rule, like the father-son rule, that allows teams to bid for the right to draft a player from their home country?
We reckon that this will add some spice to future drafting as well as having some home-grown international talent.
Thoughts?
Hmmm, I like that. New players that are from or have a parent from one of our 18 coaches...
Do it like the F/S rule and bid I guess
There have been 2 German players..... I don't know about parents, but I think some coaches wouldn't have any eligible picks
I doubt we'd have any eligible but it's the same with the FS... More will become eligible :)
Quote from: Boomz on September 03, 2012, 08:15:59 AM
I doubt we'd have any eligible but it's the same with the FS... More will become eligible :)
Zonal draft picks will be great in the meantime. FS picks are a long while away... ::)
Anyone want to swap some picks around?
Wouldn't mind getting higher or even getting some preseason picks instead.
How about this....
Out of each team's delistings, you can nominate 2 that will not be available in the National Draft (they go to Preseason)...
thoughts?
Quote from: ossie85 on September 07, 2012, 10:22:35 AM
How about this....
Out of each team's delistings, you can nominate 2 that will not be available in the National Draft (they go to Preseason)...
thoughts?
Why not the other way around? :o
Quote from: c4v3m4n on September 07, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on September 07, 2012, 10:22:35 AM
How about this....
Out of each team's delistings, you can nominate 2 that will not be available in the National Draft (they go to Preseason)...
thoughts?
Why not the other way around? :o
Or that....
Why?
Maybe I've missed something Oss, but I thought that all our delisted players go to the preseason draft so we could pick them up again, ala Michael Coad.
Also if I wanted to pick up someone that say The Seoul Magpies delisted, how would I go about that without them being put in the preseason draft?
Chumps, they'll be available in the national draft.
Which then rolls over into the preseason if unselected, right?
Cheers meow.
Yep, that's it.
Oh my god.
*facepalm!
I read Ossie's comment wrong.
I missed the NOT to be avaliable in the national draft...
My mistake! Sorry for any inconvenience! I'm a bit of a spazer...
No probs MC....
People have any more thoughts?
Looking to move the following players on:
Ben Howlett
Nathan Foley
Garrick Ibbotson
Paul Chapman
Alan Didak
Trent West is now available, looking to move him on due to my recent acquirements
Defender or midfielder is the preference
Guys, I have some players who are available to be traded and they will be CHEAP! The stats don't lie and you will be getting some absolute bargains if one of these guns ends up at your club.
18 teams x 4 defenders per team = 72 defenders playing every week
Anyone want a top 50 averaging backman? Going by averages means that he would be the 3rd best defender in some teams.
How could you say no to a guy who averaged more than Tom McDonald, Chirs Yarran and Dan Nicholson? More than Sam Gilbert, Will Schofield and Harry O. More than Tom Bugg, Josh Drummond and Rhyce Shaw...
Anyone want a 25 year old foward/mid who in the past has had two 90+ averaging seasons, and started the year with scores of 84, 112, 97 and 104?
Anyone want a young forward who last year in the final 4 games of the VFL season kicked 20 goals and 0 behinds? Was elevated off the rookie list onto the senior list as a result of his outstanding form.
Does anyone want a former #6 draftee? He's in his teams best 22 and it's likely he will have forward/back status, and is coming off his career best year in terms of SC average.
Anyone want a guy who has a scoring rate that is superior to Gary Ablett jnr?
Anyone want a 19 year old forward who had the 4th best average of goals per game at his club in season 2012?
Anyone want a former first round draft pick who has had some injury problems in the past but has had a few years development into him and he is a member of the first kick, first goal club?
How about a 20 year old defender who averaged 97 in his non sub effected games in his debut season?
How about you just say their names :P
Quote from: Boomz on September 15, 2012, 10:45:45 AM
How about you just say their names :P
That's too easy. ::)
Quote from: Boomz on September 15, 2012, 10:45:45 AM
How about you just say their names :P
They sound so much more impressive this way. I like to deal with facts, not reputations.
Quote from: meow meow on September 15, 2012, 05:10:56 AM
Anyone want a guy who has a scoring rate that is superior to Gary Ablett jnr?
Gazza averaged 138.4 last season. That's 34.6 points per quarter of football.
Sam Schulz was subbed on and played less than 1 full quarter for a score of 35.
Schulz > Ablett
Really looking to secure a 110+ Scoring Midfielder.
Anyone able to offer up anything?
Just want to confirm with everyone that we have THREE drafts
1) National Draft - where you get picks based on the number of players you have on your list to bring you up to 41. (If you have 40 players you get 1 pick, if you have 30 players you get 11 picks).
2) Preseason draft. If you still have less than 41 after the National draft and the 2nd list lodgement, you get picks in the preseason draft to bring you up to 41. All players except for rookies will be available in this draft.
3) Rookie draft. All remaining players unselected AFL players, each will get 4 or 5 picks.
Quote from: ossie85 on September 22, 2012, 12:56:43 PM
Just want to confirm with everyone that we have THREE drafts
1) National Draft - where you get picks based on the number of players you have on your list to bring you up to 41. (If you have 40 players you get 1 pick, if you have 30 players you get 11 picks).
2) Preseason draft. If you still have less than 41 after the National draft and the 2nd list lodgement, you get picks in the preseason draft to bring you up to 41. All players except for rookies will be available in this draft.
3) Rookie draft. All remaining players unselected AFL players, each will get 4 or 5 picks.
Sounds good to me. :)
Not a fan. That means we have to cut 10-15 players :/
Quote from: Maca24 on September 22, 2012, 12:59:54 PM
Not a fan. That means we have to cut 10-15 players :/
No? You have to cut 5 at least, anything after that is optional.
I've cut 5 players already and I have 41 on my list?
For me to have 5 picks in the drafts I need to cut another 5!
Limit should be 45 players IMO
Quote from: Maca24 on September 22, 2012, 01:07:04 PM
I've cut 5 players already and I have 41 on my list?
For me to have 5 picks in the drafts I need to cut another 5!
Limit should be 45 players IMO
Well I have 33 players on my list after my delistings so it looks like I'm going to be getting a few PSD picks.
Quote from: Maca24 on September 22, 2012, 01:07:04 PM
I've cut 5 players already and I have 41 on my list?
For me to have 5 picks in the drafts I need to cut another 5!
Limit should be 45 players IMO
Are you saying that teams should have an uneven amount of players Maca?
Maca why didn't you bring up these issues when I sent you the PM to come discuss this last week??
Seriously though, was initially said to delist 10 players, and we (rightfully) negotiated it down to only 5.
If you rate any player on your list more than any player you can get in the draft, than don't delist them I guess.
So if I am reading this last statement correctly I have 6 picks in the National Draft and if I choose to delist onl8 8 players i can pass 3 times in the PSD.
Quote from: Ringo on September 22, 2012, 05:00:24 PM
So if I am reading this last statement correctly I have 6 picks in the National Draft and if I choose to delist onl8 8 players i can pass 3 times in the PSD.
Depends how many players you have on your list after the trade period.
Players on your list + picks used in the WXV national draft will fill 41 spots on your list.
If you end up with 50 players after the trade period you will need to delist 9 if you don't intend on using any picks in the WXV national draft. If you want to use picks, you need to delist one player for every pick you intend on using.
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 22, 2012, 01:47:40 PM
Maca why didn't you bring up these issues when I sent you the PM to come discuss this last week??
Must have been busy.
Its unfair for teams like Mexico and the Pumas who have lots of players who regularly play..
I have nobody to delist! And it seems unnecessary to make us delist all our players for the sake of it.
Of course I want to participate in the draft, but at this stage this doesnt look possible.
Quote from: Maca24 on September 22, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 22, 2012, 01:47:40 PM
Maca why didn't you bring up these issues when I sent you the PM to come discuss this last week??
Must have been busy.
Its unfair for teams like Mexico and the Pumas who have lots of players who regularly play..
I have nobody to delist! And it seems unnecessary to make us delist all our players for the sake of it.
Of course I want to participate in the draft, but at this stage this doesnt look possible.
Make a few 2 for one trades like I have done. Cut down my list drastically.
Quote from: Maca24 on September 22, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 22, 2012, 01:47:40 PM
Maca why didn't you bring up these issues when I sent you the PM to come discuss this last week??
Must have been busy.
Its unfair for teams like Mexico and the Pumas who have lots of players who regularly play..
I have nobody to delist! And it seems unnecessary to make us delist all our players for the sake of it.
Of course I want to participate in the draft, but at this stage this doesnt look possible.
I've only got 2 draft picks, but I've still managed to find 7 players who I can delist, so I think it's perfectly reasonable.
What I don't get is why everyone is delisting their players now when there is still 2 and a half months before we have to do it?
I shouldn't have to delist guys like Alan Toovey and Matt White, when they get 22 AFL games a year.
Well delist players who don't get games then. You can pick these guys back up again in the rookie draft anyway...
Quote from: CrowsFan on September 22, 2012, 05:35:14 PM
Well delist players who don't get games then. You can pick these guys back up again in the rookie draft anyway...
I thought you were on my side? :P
Haha no I'm not. I wasn't happy when it was stipulated you had to delist 10, but much happier now it is a minimum 5, then extra if you want the nat draft picks :)
I'll stand down on this one, because I've got nobody sharing my view :P
Quote from: Maca24 on September 22, 2012, 05:51:51 PM
I'll stand down on this one, because I've got nobody sharing my view :P
No one else won the premiership! lol
If anything CF and Ossie should find this the most irritating as they were over the points cap
Maca if you think the players that you have are better than the ones you'd pick up in the draft - don't delist.
Or like meow said, trade :)
Quote from: ossie85 on September 22, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Maca if you think the players that you have are better than the ones you'd pick up in the draft - don't delist.
Or like meow said, trade :)
No worries Ossie, will keep that in mind :)
PM coming your way ;)
41 is extremely lenient as it is. Hypothetically we could end up with a situation where there isn't enough AFL listed players to fill 17 WXV teams, let alone 18.
18 AFL teams x 38 on primary lists = 684 players
18 WXV teams x 41 players each = 738 players.
GWS can have 44-50 players on their list in 2013. Gold Coast will have 42. Every other team can have 38 + 2 veterans. The MAXIMUM amount of AFL listed players possible in 2013 is 734. That is assuming that every AFL team will have 2 veterans listed, which won't happen.
I think we should have to cut lists back to 39 + 1 rookie listed player. If that rookie is upgraded in the AFL national draft, then we should have to delist that player, or one of the 39 on our WXV list ahead of the WXV preseason draft.
To the person who pick Jack Viney before Pick 29...... why?
Jack Viney will be taken at Pick 26...... therefore there are 25 better players. Couple that with the delistings and the two mini-draft players, it is evident you are simply paying too high a price with Viney if you payed a top 28 draft pick for him.
Just a friendly reminder for you.......... that is all
Quote from: meow meow on September 22, 2012, 05:59:37 PM
41 is extremely lenient as it is. Hypothetically we could end up with a situation where there isn't enough AFL listed players to fill 17 WXV teams, let alone 18.
18 AFL teams x 38 on primary lists = 684 players
18 WXV teams x 41 players each = 738 players.
GWS can have 44-50 players on their list in 2013. Gold Coast will have 42. Every other team can have 38 + 2 veterans. The MAXIMUM amount of AFL listed players possible in 2013 is 734. That is assuming that every AFL team will have 2 veterans listed, which won't happen.
I think we should have to cut lists back to 39 + 1 rookie listed player. If that rookie is upgraded in the AFL national draft, then we should have to delist that player, or one of the 39 on our WXV list ahead of the WXV preseason draft.
Rookie lists...?