Just a few I've noticed who should get Dual Position status next season
Johncock DEF/FOR
Petrenko MID/FOR
Lewis Jetta MID/FOR
Dean Cox RUCK/FOR
Drew Petrie RUCK/FOR
are just 5 off the top of my head.
Feel free to add more that you've noticed
bryce gibbs back to def/mid
Probably a bit early to start thinking about this unless this years team is so bad you are already researching next year.
Anyway Petrie rarely rucks and Cox will be very luck to get Fwd/Ruck
Mzungu DEF/MID
Deledio MID
Heppell. Def/Mid
Biggest farce not having him DPP but Martin, Robbo etc get it.
The Gu would be a lock if DEF/MID DP next year!
Jimmy bartel. The 1st def/fwd/mid lol..
Petrie has hardly rucked this year though
Quote from: crabapples on May 14, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
Jimmy bartel. The 1st def/fwd/mid lol..
Petrie has hardly rucked this year though
if anyone in the comp should be a 3 position players it's roughead. back/ruck/fwd :)
What about Rockcliff Mid/Fwd?
Dnt watch much lions,
kozi should be ruc/fwd,
Nic nat ruc/mid ( to bad he'd b the only one lol)
puopolo is another on the radar for DEF/FOR if the hawks keep using him up forward
Steele will lose his FOR and just be a MID
Goldsack should get FWD/DEF... not that he is fantasy relevant anyway :P
luke ball will be back so steele will be pushed up front again and not lose his ddp hopefully ;D
but in terms of relevant DT players
deledio to mid
gibbs back to def/mid
heppel to def/mid
bartel to a def/mid/fwd
rucks like giles/cox/hmac/kozi/r stanley to be ruc/fwd
puopolo to def/fwd
mzungu/rockcliff to mid/fwd
Zach Clarke guaranteed either a F or F/R
paddy ryder back to ruck/forward
Quote from: crabapples on May 14, 2012, 08:29:44 PM
Dnt watch much lions,
kozi should be ruc/fwd,
Nic nat ruc/mid ( to bad he'd b the only one lol)
ruck/mid...
heh heh.
dangerfield pure mid hardly seen him in the fwd line this year
Quote from: Zombie2.5 on May 24, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: crabapples on May 14, 2012, 08:29:44 PM
Dnt watch much lions,
kozi should be ruc/fwd,
Nic nat ruc/mid ( to bad he'd b the only one lol)
ruck/mid...
heh heh.
I know it sounds stupid but u do see him line up the middle with cox taking the ruck. And DT/SC does distinguish rucks seperate to midfield
Cox has to be ruck/fwd
He only plays up forward.
Cox just fwd?? Would you pick him then??
Rockliff has to be fwd/mid!
Quote from: whatlez on May 24, 2012, 10:16:36 AM
Cox has to be ruck/fwd
He only plays up forward.
Except for all those centre bounces and around ground taps he rucks.
Gibbs definitely has to be a def/mid next year. mzungu def/mid/fwd.
Does anyone reckon theyd acctually make a def/mid/fwd. theres a few that could do it
Ablett DEF/MID/RUCK/FOR
Hamish Hartlett Mid/Def.
Not sure about these ones, but they have a chance of becoming DPP:
Jack Watts DEF/FWD
Jed Adcock DEF/MID
James Magner MID/FWD
Maybe Brendan Whitecross? He seems to get switched between DEF, MID and FWD this year.
Deledio, Sidebottom, Dangerfield and maybe Mitch Robinson and Michael Johnson should lose their DPP status.
I think Rockliff is the most tempting DPP possibility. I would accept his inconsistency this year if he was a MID/FWD. ;D
Quote from: Windigo on June 07, 2012, 02:17:48 PM
Hamish Hartlett Mid/Def.
Would love that! Awesome pick for next season! :P
Quote from: DT87 on June 08, 2012, 01:38:44 PM
Not sure about these ones, but they have a chance of becoming DPP:
Jack Watts DEF/FWD
Jed Adcock DEF/MID
James Magner MID/FWD
Maybe Brendan Whitecross? He seems to get switched between DEF, MID and FWD this year.
Deledio, Sidebottom, Dangerfield and maybe Mitch Robinson and Michael Johnson should lose their DPP status.
I think Rockliff is the most tempting DPP possibility. I would accept his inconsistency this year if he was a MID/FWD. ;D
Yes to the first 2. Sorry for my ignorance, but where has Michael Johnson been playing this season? Just down back? Is he loose man?
^ Johnson has only been playing down back this season. He has got the loose man job a few times, but when he does have an opponent it is usually a fairly weak one, and he is being given plenty of freedom to run off his opponent and take marks. That combined with his career best form has resulted in a significant improvement in his DT scoring and consistency this season. I think the way Lyon has structured Freo's backline this season is similar to what he did with St Kilda's around 2009-2010 - Dawson and McPharlin are getting the most accountable roles every week and every other backman is being given a fair bit of freedom, though in DT terms Johnson has benefited from the change in structure much more than any other Dockers player.
Jetta won't get Mid/Fwd DPP btw, just to be picky :P
I think we will have more ruck/fwd dpp with cox Ryder kruzer and with the afl looking at 6 mbr next year we will need them
Quote from: DT87 on June 09, 2012, 01:21:16 PM
^ Johnson has only been playing down back this season. He has got the loose man job a few times, but when he does have an opponent it is usually a fairly weak one, and he is being given plenty of freedom to run off his opponent and take marks. That combined with his career best form has resulted in a significant improvement in his DT scoring and consistency this season. I think the way Lyon has structured Freo's backline this season is similar to what he did with St Kilda's around 2009-2010 - Dawson and McPharlin are getting the most accountable roles every week and every other backman is being given a fair bit of freedom, though in DT terms Johnson has benefited from the change in structure much more than any other Dockers player.
Awesome, good info, cheered you mate :)
Goddard should be def mid fwd
He is everywhere
Kicking a goal then smothering a kick at the other end
Been to all collingwood home games bar one, heath shaw might get fwd/def dpp as he has started in the forward line about 30-40% of the time and then slowly moved back as the match progresses.
Went to the game last night and rocky played at least 50% up forward..
Shuey Kicked 14.13 in 13 games, averaging over 2 scoring shots per game, hasn't had a game yet where he hasn't scored at least a point...
Surely a Forward...?
Quote from: Scrads on July 15, 2012, 12:25:36 PM
Shuey Kicked 14.13 in 13 games, averaging over 2 scoring shots per game, hasn't had a game yet where he hasn't scored at least a point...
Surely a Forward...?
Reminds me of that season when Gaz kicked over 40 goals? (That did happen didn't it, not just in my head?) and was just named as a mid?
Everyones favourite DT'er.... Greg Broughton DEF/FWD if he stays up forward for the rest of the year?? Hopefully will be a few more DEF/MID rookies next year as we havent had many worth considering. Luke Brown and Docherty were prett much locks at the start of the year but havent got games, and baguley is about 5 rounds to late.
no mention of Daisy ??? he's my smokie for DPP next yr ;)
Quote from: picker_man on July 24, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
no mention of Daisy ??? he's my smokie for DPP next yr ;)
Possible captain of the cruisers haha
Quote from: TheHanger on May 17, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
paddy ryder back to ruck/forward
Yep has to be! Cox the same i reckon
Quote from: DT87 on June 08, 2012, 01:38:44 PM
Not sure about these ones, but they have a chance of becoming DPP:
Jack Watts DEF/FWD
Jed Adcock DEF/MID
James Magner MID/FWD
Maybe Brendan Whitecross? He seems to get switched between DEF, MID and FWD this year.
Deledio, Sidebottom, Dangerfield and maybe Mitch Robinson and Michael Johnson should lose their DPP status.
I think Rockliff is the most tempting DPP possibility. I would accept his inconsistency this year if he was a MID/FWD. ;D
Would have to agree with Whitecross getting fwd/mid. Getting 15 marks against essendon with 29 disposals all on half-back roving would surely point to midfield time and dpp status. Robbo will keep dpp IMO. Dont agree with magner or adcock though.
Yeah Robbo plays more up forward than midfield.
Quote from: whatlez on August 01, 2012, 05:18:42 PM
Yeah Robbo plays more up forward than midfield.
I'd be very surprised if he loses it. Has contested the majority of centre bounces in the Carlton games I've seen this year and is ranked equal 4th in clearances at the club.
Having a FWD/RUC DPP link looks like the way to go next season to compensate for the likely lack of a Zac Smith or Jonathan Giles type rookie priced ruckman. Jarryd Roughead is the only good premium option this season, so obviously some more FWD/RUC premiums next year would be very useful, but I'm not sure that will happen. The only fantasy relevant player whose goals/hitouts per game has increased enough to possibly warrant FWD/RUC status next season is Dean Cox, who has averaged 1.2 goals per game so far this season compared to 0.8 in 2011. However Champion Data seem pretty reluctant to call a player who is one of the best in their preferred position a utility, think of Ablett after his 44 goal season in 2010. I don't think any other premium ruckmen or forwards have had enough of an increase in their goal kicking or hitouts this season to suggest they have much of a chance of gaining FWD/RUC status (Naitanui is close, but he is less likely than Cox). Definitely not Drew Petrie, who has averaged just 2.2 hitouts per game this season - even the 186 cm midget "ruckman" Jordan Lewis has averaged almost as many hitouts as Petrie.
Statistically speaking, the most likely players to gain FWD/RUC status next season (unless I've missed anyone) are probably:
- Shaun Hampson (1.2 goals per game this season, up from only 0.3 in 2011)
- Zac Clarke (increased from 0.5 to 1.0 goals per game, Ross Lyon has completely changed his role from a tackle-hungry midfield ruckman to a forward/backup ruckman)
- Josh Jenkins (1.1 goals and 5.7 hitouts per game in his debut season)
- Charlie Dixon (6.3 hitouts and 0.3 goals per game this season, compared with 0.9 hitouts and 0.6 goals in 2011)
- Israel Folau (A pathetic 1 goal from 10 games playing mostly forward, but averages 5.7 hitouts per game as a backup ruckman)
I think you'd have to be very brave to pick any of them in 2013, though. Roughead has lifted his averages for both hitouts and goals this season, so he should keep his FWD/RUC status and looks like the best option again.
Quote from: 2 large cokes on May 14, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
Quote from: crabapples on May 14, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
Jimmy bartel. The 1st def/fwd/mid lol..
Petrie has hardly rucked this year though
if anyone in the comp should be a 3 position players it's roughead. back/ruck/fwd :)
I dont think Roughie will but Bartel and ROK should be
and LRT Back/Fwd/RUCK
What are Kreuzer's stats like DT87 ? :)
^Kreuzer has only managed 0.5 goals per game this season, down from 0.6 in 2011, though his average hitouts has jumped from 12.3 to 20.2. His modest goal output will probably see him keep his ruck only status, though I think there have been a few games in the last couple of years where Kreuzer has played primarily as a forward with Warnock as the number 1 ruck. He might come into consideration for DPP but I don't think he will get it.
Also, as Fantasy Freako just pointed out, Steve Johnson has got 66.7% of his disposals in the midfield this season, and his average goals per game has dropped from 2.9 in 2010 and 2.2 in 2011 to 1.0 so far this season. Looking at those stats he certainly should be a MID/FWD in 2013.
Thats interesting, could have sworn I see him play at FF pretty often when he plays :o
Maybe he just isnt very good ;)
it's the blues that aren't very good in general :P
dpp is based not only on time spent u-p forward etc. but mostly on where a player gets their possessions.
DPP isnt as cut and dry as some are suggesting. Time spent/possessions gathered in different areas of the ground are key factors, but no certainty of a player getting DPP. In the past theres been some questionable DPP allocations and players who should've received it but didn't. For example lots of the rucks have spent time forward and kicked goals this year due to the sub rule, and guys like Cox would be eligible, but Virtual Sports wont give him DPP status...theres no way. It would be too big an advantage having guys like Cox swinging between ruck/fwd.
Quote from: zeddyzed on August 13, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
DPP isnt as cut and dry as some are suggesting. Time spent/possessions gathered in different areas of the ground are key factors, but no certainty of a player getting DPP. In the past theres been some questionable DPP allocations and players who should've received it but didn't. For example lots of the rucks have spent time forward and kicked goals this year due to the sub rule, and guys like Cox would be eligible, but Virtual Sports wont give him DPP status...theres no way. It would be too big an advantage having guys like Cox swinging between ruck/fwd.
This is all true, but I do believe Cox will be DPP next season. It will be a players choice if they want a forward line like zaha, beams, sidey (won't be there next season though, just an example) or have a ruckman as a f7 in cox who could score a lot lower if he starts to let nicnat take more ruck time.
if they dont change the rules to deal with byes, people like cox are probably going to get dpp.
what are the chances of Fyfe keeping mid/fwd because he hasn't played many games?
also when do we actually find out?
If cox is DPP, Jarryd Roughead will be the most picked player in the forwards. Would be awesome to be able to swap them.
Quote from: Hagebear on September 06, 2012, 07:06:47 PM
If cox is DPP, Jarryd Roughead will be the most picked player in the forwards. Would be awesome to be able to swap them.
Fingers crossed they have their byes on 2 different rounds ;)
Quote from: Scrads on September 07, 2012, 01:59:13 AM
Quote from: Hagebear on September 06, 2012, 07:06:47 PM
If cox is DPP, Jarryd Roughead will be the most picked player in the forwards. Would be awesome to be able to swap them.
Fingers crossed they have their byes on 2 different rounds ;)
Forgot about the byes again for next year. Wow that was not enjoyable this year. Will be interesting to see if virtual sports make many changes for the byes next year.
Fingers crossed Dangerfield is MID/FWD, kicked plenty of goals even though he played a lot more in the midfield... Steele Sidebottom and Dayne Beams the same but of the three I reckon Beamsy is most likely to keep his DPP
Quote from: Tominator on October 08, 2012, 02:16:48 AM
Fingers crossed Dangerfield is MID/FWD, kicked plenty of goals even though he played a lot more in the midfield
Extremely doubtful.
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