Just a question... Whats actually stopping someone from having 10 different supercoach teams under different accounts? Would be a sure way to push for the overall win being able to swimg both ways on some of those 50/50 decisions..
P.s no im not thinking of doing this im just curious
I personally barely have the time or patience for one team let alone multiple teams
Ethics
Pride
Fairness
Quote from: Hippo on March 27, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
Ethics
Pride
Fairness
Irrelevant..
I mean is there actually something stopping someone from cheating like this and winning 50k..
Surely they look into the top 10 teams to make sure there is nothing like this going on
Well, you will need 10 different email addresses to start with and still be as lucky as all hell to win the $50k
Personally don't have a problem with it - see how you go pitting 2 totally different teams against yourself???
It takes 10 seconds to make a hotmail account.. and you would still have to have some luck but if you look at most of the good teams they only have slight changes so you could cover a lot of different options with a number of teams.
I actually just want to know if there is something they do to stop this. Im sure if not then there will be people doing it.. someone would have done it before and had one of his teams come close to winning or possibly even won. Who knows!
everytime you log in your IP address is recorded on a server.
10 accounts, 1 IP Address with 10 hotmail accounts.
If you won they might quiz you on that, then you may need to produce 10 people living in the same house with the same names of the hotmail accounts...
good luck to any one with that.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 27, 2012, 02:51:15 PM
Quote from: Hippo on March 27, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
Ethics
Pride
Fairness
Irrelevant..
I mean is there actually something stopping someone from cheating like this and winning 50k..
Surely they look into the top 10 teams to make sure there is nothing like this going on
read the rules, it states it in the term and conditions of playing the game..
If a rule is stated and you knowingly break it then you are cheating & you will not receive any prize won if you are found to have multiple teams.
you can not be proud of your rank if say 1 of your 10 teams got into the the top 100, as you would have hedged your bets so to speak
Its un ethical to cheat and isn't fair to others who play the game in fairness to the rules! so i would say its totally relevant to your question because more than likely is those things that would stop you from entering more than one team.
Quote from: S_Coach99 on March 27, 2012, 03:24:58 PM
everytime you log in your IP address is recorded on a server.
10 accounts, 1 IP Address with 10 hotmail accounts.
If you won they might quiz you on that, then you may need to produce 10 people living in the same house with the same names of the hotmail accounts...
good luck to any one with that.
Yea this is the sort of thing I was talking about.. I would hope that they would look into it but dont know if they actually would. Is there actually a rule against it?
Quote from: Hippo on March 27, 2012, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 27, 2012, 02:51:15 PM
Quote from: Hippo on March 27, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
Ethics
Pride
Fairness
Irrelevant..
I mean is there actually something stopping someone from cheating like this and winning 50k..
Surely they look into the top 10 teams to make sure there is nothing like this going on
read the rules, it states it in the term and conditions of playing the game..
If a rule is stated and you knowingly break it then you are cheating & you will not receive any prize won if you are found to have multiple teams.
you can not be proud of your rank if say 1 of your 10 teams got into the the top 100, as you would have hedged your bets so to speak
Its un ethical to cheat and isn't fair to others who play the game in fairness to the rules! so i would say its totally relevant to your question because more than likely is those things that would stop you from entering more than one team.
So there is an official rule against it??
Yes your right I agree its un ethical etc but im saying that wouldnt stop alot of people, an actuall ruling against it would
Quote from: quinny88 on March 27, 2012, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: S_Coach99 on March 27, 2012, 03:24:58 PM
everytime you log in your IP address is recorded on a server.
10 accounts, 1 IP Address with 10 hotmail accounts.
If you won they might quiz you on that, then you may need to produce 10 people living in the same house with the same names of the hotmail accounts...
good luck to any one with that.
Yea this is the sort of thing I was talking about.. I would hope that they would look into it but dont know if they actually would. Is there actually a rule against it?
Yes there is
Yeah there is!
i have known in yrs gone by when a player has had a number of teams Virtual Sport/Herald Sun, whoever it is has deleted all there teams bar one.... i think they left this dudes highest ranking team, i would have like to see him left with the lowest ranking team out of the bunch.
Lets be honest you prob could get away with 2-3 teams in your house with dif emails but it is cheating.
imagine you won the ute or the weekly prize and you forfeit it because you had one extra team that was ranked 20k or some shower
HUN will start charging to play Supercoach, so that will stop people.
You read plenty of stories about 'sons' 'wives' 'daughters' teams. Especially last year with the byes and people loading teams up to win them. This will happen again, just look at the teams that won some of the weeks and where they were ranked.
People eventually get found out, so no biggy.
I dont think there is anything they can do.
I know someone that doesnt have internet at home and uses the public library to play SC...so that chucks IP adress issue out the window.
One thing Im curious of is when someone wins, do they have to provide proof of identity...even if its for the 1K / week prize?
I have seen teams that have the coaches name as something silly that wouldnt be their real 1st name. If that team won, with a fake coach name, the highest score for the week, would they still be able to collect?
If they made it a rule that you had to provide your proper personal details to receive any prizes, then provide proof of identity, including a residential address, at time of collection, then this issue would surely go away.
I am dead against people having more than 1 team, it became obvious to me that this was happening in a league I was in about 3 seasons ago...ruined everyone elses fun in the league.
Im pretty sure that places that have many PC's logging into the 1 router, IP adresses change over a certain period of time.
I found this out as Ive tried to monitor internet usage on a student business I have in the past. I couldnt identify who was downloading all the porn as the IP addresses were not consistant over a period of lets say 3 months (i think it changed every month or so)
i have no doubt that there are person/s who are running hundreds if not more teams to win weekly and overall prizes.
also alot of people i have seen who have said"its hard to look after one team, let alone 20" . trust me its not that hard to run 50 teams, they dont have the hard decisions to make, because they can just cover many different options.
the other thing i hate is teams that are created just for a weekly prize. last year a team with no previous rank from the week before won the weekly prize(and you know its not their only team). it ruins the integrity of the comp and for the 80% of people that are doing the right thing
First of all definitely a fail in my eyes.
Secondly, I've seen some teams in the top 10 overall amazinginly disappear during the course of 2011. I know as I monitor the top 25 to top 50 teams all year. Could you really sleep at night if you thought you won $50K, but then lost it because you had 2 accounts and the 2nd one was ranked 20,000 (per Hippo example).
Some one tried to get me in trouble last year and even spreaded rumours that I had multiple teams to disqualify me. Pretty disgraceful as I have not said anything bad to anyone after 5 years of blogging. Obviously I didn't have an issue as I disclose my team at the start of the year. I don't know how, but as aforementioned some teams in the top 25 amazingly disappeared. I think one account was 7th overall (was DT or SC). Up to you but a big gamble.
What about last year's highest round score which was won by a girl who said that her 'husband helps her out with her team'?
They would check I.d for sure. It states in the terms and conditions:
"Participants can only enter SuperCoach once. Under no circumstances can participants enter two or more teams in SuperCoach."
I cant make a link but its from the main supercoach page, just under the supercoach gold banner near the bottom, it says READ MORE - guides, help and FAQ, just click on that and it's in there.
If it was your "sister's team" or another person that would be fine just that person would technically win the prize, so you would definately get away with it.
Hope they scrutanise the $100k winners during the three bye rounds this year. Would be quite easy to enter bye specific teams as a once only and disappear after you won the $1k.
Anyone with more than one team is a damn dirty cheat.
I know someone who has 14 dt teams.
I guess if you actually know people you can get away with it.
cant see the problem myself as im not after the car or prizes i actually go into alot of paid supercoaches for the money that way, just for some fun think im in 6 so to do that i need 2 accounts
then what they should do is let people have as many teams as they want, but they are made ineligable from winning any prizes. that way you can be in multiple cas leagues and the such...
or hows this.. have like they do for leagues where u have 5. make it that people can have upto 5 teams under the one e-mail address, but only the first one can actually win prizes or counts for any rankings...
im gunna submit that to champion data, i think thats a good idea. can anyone see any problems that would arise from it?
the amount of luck involved sill wouldnt matter if you have 10 teams!!
Quote from: upthemaidens on March 28, 2012, 07:01:38 PM
then what they should do is let people have as many teams as they want, but they are made ineligable from winning any prizes. that way you can be in multiple cas leagues and the such...
or hows this.. have like they do for leagues where u have 5. make it that people can have upto 5 teams under the one e-mail address, but only the first one can actually win prizes or counts for any rankings...
im gunna submit that to champion data, i think thats a good idea. can anyone see any problems that would arise from it?
The site crashes occasionally just before lockout with 300,000 teams. How do you think they'll cope with 1.5million teams? :o
Quote from: coolfugitiv0 on March 31, 2012, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: upthemaidens on March 28, 2012, 07:01:38 PM
then what they should do is let people have as many teams as they want, but they are made ineligable from winning any prizes. that way you can be in multiple cas leagues and the such...
or hows this.. have like they do for leagues where u have 5. make it that people can have upto 5 teams under the one e-mail address, but only the first one can actually win prizes or counts for any rankings...
im gunna submit that to champion data, i think thats a good idea. can anyone see any problems that would arise from it?
The site crashes occasionally just before lockout with 300,000 teams. How do you think they'll cope with 1.5million teams? :o
arrrr good point,, oh well i tried.
i suppose not everyone would make multiable teams though, but i guess it would put a bigger strain on the servers
Last season I remember one weekly winner late in the season with a team named "Here to win this round" or something along the lines as that.
I now a person that was banned from making any team changes for about a month for having multiple teams. That effectively stuffed their season.
I am in 13 supercoach leagues with 3 diferrent team names 5 of these are YSCC leagues.
Quote from: johnnytheboy1 on April 03, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
I am in 13 supercoach leagues with 3 diferrent team names 5 of these are YSCC leagues.
and you are proud about that?
I am currently ranked 104,725 and only have one team.
I had had 3 top 200 finishes and 1 top 1,000 finish with my 8 rookie midfield. I will back myself to do well.
Even if I do sh1t and finish ranked 300,000 I know played by the rules.
Each to their own, of course.
does it really matter if you have acouple of supercoach teams to test out afew different things, have different players in different teams... who really gives a sh!t
Quote from: GlassHarmonium on April 04, 2012, 07:33:19 PM
does it really matter if you have acouple of supercoach teams to test out afew different things, have different players in different teams... who really gives a sh!t
u mean apart from the fact thats its cheating?
Quote from: upthemaidens on April 04, 2012, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: GlassHarmonium on April 04, 2012, 07:33:19 PM
does it really matter if you have acouple of supercoach teams to test out afew different things, have different players in different teams... who really gives a sh!t
u mean apart from the fact thats its cheating?
nah brah just helpin mum,dad,nan,pop ansd a couple of aunties uncles and cousins with their team 8)
I don't consider it cheating just making the most of it
Quote from: GlassHarmonium on April 04, 2012, 07:33:19 PM
does it really matter if you have acouple of supercoach teams to test out afew different things, have different players in different teams... who really gives a sh!t
All us that play by the rules give a sh!t.
You get 1 chance to get it right, its what research rewards, to help get it right the 1st time.
Let alone the fact that it detracts from the rest of rest of us honest coaches via the psyche out feature as those with multiple teams would be less enthusiastic about the competition.
If you want to have multiple teams, have your own private league where you can play with yourself, where no one else will be affected by your selfish, cheating style of play
More than likely you wont find it so fun then...like the rest of us having to play with cheats
Quote from: GlassHarmonium on April 04, 2012, 07:44:09 PM
I don't consider it cheating just making the most of it
you can spin it however you want. doesnt change the fact that its not only cheating according to the SC terms&conditions, but its also goes against fair sportsmanship .
like shouting during someones swing in golf, its not the "right"thing to do
im not sure what the actual "rules" are. But the ethics of it all are pretty clear = 1 serious team, i don't think there is much harm in fun teams like all rooks all over 30's random ect which are GENUINELY no threat to the top 50K or so.
BUT having say 2 or more teams in the top 1000 or even 10000 is a bit rough on all the other serious single teams out there i think, just an opinion but i think one team SERIOUS TEAM per person is the right thing.
not about to judge others but i'd have to side with the purists who say 1 team only :)
Doesn't upset me personaly unfortunately because i'm not a huge threat of taking home the cash anyway.
What i think is total BS tho is making extra teams to take out weekly prizes, thats a bit shower i reckon.
AND to finish my rant, I prefer to be able to post my team and score even if not great at least i have my only team and can say im ranked 4millionth and its not some second or third team i have to hide away and cant brag OR whinge about publicly
I have two completely different teams which are in private leagues with my mates, im not going to win the whole thing hence i do not see myself as a cheat for doing this...I also do not make teams just for weekly prize. Am i a cheat?
Quote from: GlassHarmonium on April 04, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
I have two completely different teams which are in private leagues with my mates, im not going to win the whole thing hence i do not see myself as a cheat for doing this...I also do not make teams just for weekly prize. Am i a cheat?
Yes....your not abiding by the rules...jeez.....how hard is it?
Quote from: GlassHarmonium on April 04, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
I have two completely different teams which are in private leagues with my mates, im not going to win the whole thing hence i do not see myself as a cheat for doing this...I also do not make teams just for weekly prize. Am i a cheat?
yes you are a cheat. just cause you dont think you will win a prize, doesnt matter..
...answer me this. if you do jag a weekly prize and SC get hold of ya to give you $1K, are you gunna tell them you have more than one account and not accept the money?
ultimate footy has the ability to have 5 teams on the one account, supercoach has the ability to have one team on the one account (email) so i guess thats the rules.
Your most probably not a bad person :) or aiming to win anything (or you could have 10000000 teams) not just 2, but sounds like the rule is 1.
with the ability to be in 5 leagues there is probably no justification for the second team, but hey don't stress maybe just make one next season :)
I guess the thing that makes people angry is if your say 10,000th both teams are arounfd that rank just say, and my team is 11,000th then you are pushing me down a spot by having two teams, and if EVERYONE from 1st to 10,000th had just 2 teams then my real rank shouldnt be 11,000th it should be 6000th, if you had 5 teams up there and so on and so on, you see.....
Quote from: Colliwobblers on April 04, 2012, 08:08:56 PM
ultimate footy has the ability to have 5 teams on the one account, supercoach has the ability to have one team on the one account (email) so i guess thats the rules.
Your most probably not a bad person :) or aiming to win anything (or you could have 10000000 teams) not just 2, but sounds like the rule is 1.
with the ability to be in 5 leagues there is probably no justification for the second team, but hey don't stress maybe just make one next season :)
I guess the thing that makes people angry is if your say 10,000th both teams are arounfd that rank just say, and my team is 11,000th then you are pushing me down a spot by having two teams, and if EVERYONE from 1st to 10,000th had just 2 teams then my real rank shouldnt be 11,000th it should be 6000th, if you had 5 teams up there and so on and so on, you see.....
the thing is colli. if people have two,then basically the doors open to have 50 teams 100 teams because theres no difference.
i suggested in a thread that DT/SC should allow 3 or 5 teams on one account, but only the first team actually would count for prizes and overall rankings and such. so that way coaches can play in more than 1 cash league and experiment with set-ups,stategy or whatever.
I think you would get caught if you had 50 accounts coming from the same IP address. Anyway, the way I see it is that I have one team and only want the 1 team because my name is attached to that account and by making up other accounts under other family/false names it wouldn't be my achievement. Winning the money would be nice but I am here to do the best I can and gain that achievement for myself. I experiment with my DT team.
agree with that maidens about the elligibility of prizes but still messes with everyones ranking having multiple teams, each to his own, i'm not going to call anyone a cheat or rant and rave but just saying i think 1 only is the way to go especially given there are 4 (5) last year different comps similar to play around with in DT, SC, Sportsbet, VS Sportal, and last year YAHOO.
PLus if you love it so much like freaks like me there is the draft stlye dt pro sc gold and ultimate footy...
Quote from: BlackMamba on April 04, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
I think you would get caught if you had 50 accounts coming from the same IP address. Anyway, the way I see it is that I have one team and only want the 1 team because my name is attached to that account and by making up other accounts under other family/false names it wouldn't be my achievement. Winning the money would be nice but I am here to do the best I can and gain that achievement for myself. I experiment with my DT team.
lol had about 75 teams last year....had 1 serious account 1 for leagues 2-3 for mukaround (didnt update after 3 rounds or so)
and every week me and my bro made a weekly to see who could get the highest (couldnt give a stuff about the 1k)
Quote from: SonsOfZeus on April 04, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: BlackMamba on April 04, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
I think you would get caught if you had 50 accounts coming from the same IP address. Anyway, the way I see it is that I have one team and only want the 1 team because my name is attached to that account and by making up other accounts under other family/false names it wouldn't be my achievement. Winning the money would be nice but I am here to do the best I can and gain that achievement for myself. I experiment with my DT team.
lol had about 75 teams last year....had 1 serious account 1 for leagues 2-3 for mukaround (didnt update after 3 rounds or so)
and every week me and my bro made a weekly to see who could get the highest (couldnt give a stuff about the 1k)
I meant if you had won overall or a weekly prize, I think they would check out your ip and stuff. If you didn't win I doubt they bother spending time checking.
Quote from: SonsOfZeus on April 04, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: BlackMamba on April 04, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
I think you would get caught if you had 50 accounts coming from the same IP address. Anyway, the way I see it is that I have one team and only want the 1 team because my name is attached to that account and by making up other accounts under other family/false names it wouldn't be my achievement. Winning the money would be nice but I am here to do the best I can and gain that achievement for myself. I experiment with my DT team.
lol had about 75 teams last year....had 1 serious account 1 for leagues 2-3 for mukaround (didnt update after 3 rounds or so)
and every week me and my bro made a weekly to see who could get the highest (couldnt give a stuff about the 1k)
You're not a real man!
Still ranked 70,000 (SC) and 40,000 (DT) after winning SuperCoach and 26th DT last year
Still one account :) I also experiment with my DT Team which is doing better..LOL
Agree with BlackMamba's comment 'I am here to do the best I can and gain that achievement for myself'
Quote from: BlackMamba on April 04, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: SonsOfZeus on April 04, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: BlackMamba on April 04, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
I think you would get caught if you had 50 accounts coming from the same IP address. Anyway, the way I see it is that I have one team and only want the 1 team because my name is attached to that account and by making up other accounts under other family/false names it wouldn't be my achievement. Winning the money would be nice but I am here to do the best I can and gain that achievement for myself. I experiment with my DT team.
lol had about 75 teams last year....had 1 serious account 1 for leagues 2-3 for mukaround (didnt update after 3 rounds or so)
and every week me and my bro made a weekly to see who could get the highest (couldnt give a stuff about the 1k)
I meant if you had won overall or a weekly prize, I think they would check out your ip and stuff. If you didn't win I doubt they bother spending time checking.
I'm pretty sure they would but here is the problem of having actual legimate multiple accounts from one IP address like we do
I play my son plays and my other half plays all individually on our own teams.