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So....... Dane Swan....... I'm thinking about not including him in my initial team.

With the HUGE price tag that he will be carrying next year (and well deserved), I feel that it may be smarter to not go with him from the start as he is only one semi average score (90-100) away from his price dropping.  He could be at a more favorable price after his bye. I feel that there are some other great options to choose from such as Selwood, Murphy, Redden, Rockliff, GAJ etc that are $30k+ cheaper.

Thoughts??

Yeah, I'd wait for a bad game and he will plummet.

Then just pick him up ASAP.

Whats 30k between friends  ;) . The others may score a little less than Swanny ( becuase they are not Swanny ) and drop just as much. I think i will be putting him in and forgetting about it if he drops 100k flower it. Swanny captain all year for me

I won't be starting him. Would Prefer Rockliff, Selwood or GAJ.

Please do not pick him. Those extra 30 points he pumps out on a good day will widen the gap between me and you nicely.  :D

Only don't pick him if you genuinely believe his average will drop.

Everyone has a bad game and drops in price. You may as well ride the guy averaging 120 from the start

Swannnie is a LOCK. Don't be a stingy little man and get yourself a 120+ averaging player from the start.

Quote from: elephants on December 29, 2011, 05:54:39 PM
Swannnie is a LOCK. Don't be a stingy little man and get yourself a 120+ averaging player from the start.

Yep why wouldnt you?. Is that 30K going to be spent better elsewhere?.

Swanny is a lock for captain most weeks. That's 30k's worth right there.
Yes he may come down in price but will you be ready to snap him up right away? Plus the trade you will burn and the possible early milking of a cash cow just to get him. Just lock the man in and save yourself the hassle.

l'm gunnna go swannny from the start and pick pendles up after the bye.....hopefully at a lower price than he is now

Swanny is the best dream teamer in the land, never considering not getting him or trading him out form is temporary but class is permanent and he oozes class.

I've got Swanny and Pendles from the start. I want my mids to be blazing from the day dot.

tempted to have him, may still but atm i have gaj,thomo,roky, so im not too light on for scores in the mids from the start

Plenty of choice but you want the best. Swan (c) Ablett (vc) Pendle Selwood Hayes Rookie Rookie Rookie. 

Quote from: owenbond007 on December 29, 2011, 08:59:14 PM
Plenty of choice but you want the best. Swan (c) Ablett (vc) Pendle Selwood Hayes Rookie Rookie Rookie. 

Round 12 will hurt you with Swan, Pendles and Jelwood missing not to mention the round 12 rookies you might have (Tom Mitchell?)

There's just so much depth out there this year in the mids that are cheaper such as Pendles, GAJ, Selwood, Rockliff, Redden, Thomo, Boyd, Murphy, Gibbs, Mitchell, Stanton, Priddis, Dal Santo, Shiels, Thomas. In that list you have guys that range from $20k-$90k cheaper than Swan. I'm not doubting Swan's scoring ability, and yes I am well aware that most of those guys I listed above most likely won't reach Swan's output, but why not widen your vision and see what else is out there rather than be another sheep and follow the pack?

Just a thought  :)

Quote from: chatters24 on December 30, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
There's just so much depth out there this year in the mids that are cheaper such as Pendles, GAJ, Selwood, Rockliff, Redden, Thomo, Boyd, Murphy, Gibbs, Mitchell, Stanton, Priddis, Dal Santo, Shiels, Thomas. In that list you have guys that range from $20k-$90k cheaper than Swan. I'm not doubting Swan's scoring ability, and yes I am well aware that most of those guys I listed above most likely won't reach Swan's output, but why not widen your vision and see what else is out there rather than be another sheep and follow the pack?

Just a thought  :)

i guess the question is with the initial saving are you going to make up the difference point wise.
your gambling that swan will drop and one of Pendles, GAJ, Selwood, Rockliff, Redden, Thomo, Boyd, Murphy, Gibbs, Mitchell, Stanton, Priddis, Dal Santo, Shiels, Thomas will rise enough to cover.

i'd rather not take the risk on swan, he starts.

GAJ, Pendles and Selwood all have the ability to take that rise... I'd say each one of them have a 90% chance to be captain material season round.

That was my plan last year to wait for him to drop. It took until mid wa thru the year and then it was like well he has 140 be ill wait another week but what i didnt realise was that i was missing that extra 30 points a week by doing that. just get him from the start

that being said, by round 11 swans average was only 112. And if you picked him up in round 14, he was 100k cheaper, and only dropped under 120 three times in the remainder of the season.

pendles on the otherhand was averaging 118 by round 11.

so basically, not starting swanny wasn't too bad if you had pendles... 

Quote from: Ziplock on December 30, 2011, 05:25:47 PM
that being said, by round 11 swans average was only 112. And if you picked him up in round 14, he was 100k cheaper, and only dropped under 120 three times in the remainder of the season.

pendles on the otherhand was averaging 118 by round 11.

so basically, not starting swanny wasn't too bad if you had pendles...

That was because Swan was injured and he still averaged 112 what a machine  :P

Talking about 'taking the next step'. Surely Stanton is ready to explode!

Quote from: elephants on December 29, 2011, 09:01:29 PM

Quote from: owenbond007 on December 29, 2011, 08:59:14 PM
Plenty of choice but you want the best. Swan (c) Ablett (vc) Pendle Selwood Hayes Rookie Rookie Rookie. 

Round 12 will hurt you with Swan, Pendles and Jelwood missing not to mention the round 12 rookies you might have (Tom Mitchell?)

It would but im playing a r12 i get a whooping card. U can got to have at least a donut maybe 2 prob more in a ideal world. Why not stack for it and make up for it in calculated trades. You pick 12 premos you aint going to trade em aye they all miss a round i curently have a squad based on a 9 12 9 formula but i got players i like and rate and will be trading purely for capitalisation gain. Plus i got big dollars league with mates where top dog gets coin and best for each round does too why would i structure for mediocre

Basically what to comes down to is do you think that Swan will average around the 110-115 ppg up to round 11? If you think he will, then it doesn't represent good value for money buying him at the price he is currently. However if you think he will average 120+ ppg by round 11 then he is a worth while pick up.

For me I don't want to be buying players at the high end of their price range, which right now I believe that is where Swan is at. It is a gamble as to whether you take him now or not.

I have alo added a poll. Have a vote and see what happens.

We all know how much a stud Swanny is but just wondering if anyone is "THINKING" like me of waiting a few weeks for his services due to his massive starting price of $598,300?. Also saving nearly $50k for another decent mid. I know he a player you must have in your team either way it's just something I'm considering. What is everyone else doing?

Think you need Pendles or Swan or you will be leaking to many points and whoever you don't start with should be your first mid upgrade target after the collingwood bye and i personally like Pendles better then Swan

It's seems silly and stupid not to start with Swan or Pendles but there massive starting prices has to make you think twice, you could use the $50k upgrading elsewhere. It's probably only a good move if they have a few sub 120 scores early on to drop there price down. But with risk comes reward in some occasions. Would Definetly be my first upgrade no doubt

I was lock n load with both. But the extra cash could deff bring some more stability to my team elsewhere. I would love to know if any of the winning teams of the last few years started without Swan. Last year could have been one of them. But i would absolutely kill myself if i didn't pick him and he smashed out some 130+ scores from round 1.
It's one of those decisions that u just keep coming back to even after you convince yourself either way.

Quote from: chatters24 on December 31, 2011, 07:12:46 AM
Basically what to comes down to is do you think that Swan will average around the 110-115 ppg up to round 11? If you think he will, then it doesn't represent good value for money buying him at the price he is currently. However if you think he will average 120+ ppg by round 11 then he is a worth while pick up.

For me I don't want to be buying players at the high end of their price range, which right now I believe that is where Swan is at. It is a gamble as to whether you take him now or not.

Having the same dilemma at the moment. Got GAJ in for Swan so it's not bad. GAJ could easily become a 115-120+ player this year and he's $50k cheaper. With risk comes reward though in some cases just makes the game that little bit more fun and interesting

the risk is allways there but it is it a trade lost on the upgrade ?

swan will be in my team & that includes above pendles,remember only when swam was out or playing injured pendles raised his game to that level,swan judd & ablett are my locks with boyd & selwood next picks,murphy is closer to knocking judd off than pendles is to ablett,btw im talking sc here & not dt

Swan was injured and unfit because of it, for the first half of the season. He still smashed all those before him and averaged 120.
I for one don't think i could live with myself if i don't pick him round 1 and he comes out swinging 130 scores.

Quote from: Ziplock on December 30, 2011, 05:12:05 PM
GAJ, Pendles and Selwood all have the ability to take that rise... I'd say each one of them have a 90% chance to be captain material season round.

agreed, i was looking from my team prospective i guess. i have gaj and selwood because i think that both will increase on last year.

pendlebury i am not so sure.

if swan is uninjured going into the season i think paying a premium price is worth it aslong as your not doing it all over your field your fine

read http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,45516.msg611629.html#new

i think you need to start swan, even though its a premo price you know what you are getting.

@jimmytigs, think I'd go Murphy now ahead of Judd.  Maybe, just maybe, Judd is starting to slow down just a tad. There was a time when he was untaggable, a bit like GAJ, but I thought last year they got to him a couple times.

We saw most of the gun midfielders tank in price over the season last year so personally I'll bring in swanny later in the year when his price dips.

It will only take 1-2 ordinary scores and he'll drop considerably and then I'll make the move.

Ablett #1 pick Mid for me this year

even if he has a poor start (by his standards) or even just a poor three game patch like last season, he still averaged 112 for the first 10 games. if you werent already starting selwood and gaj you need to be picking a player that will save you money and gain you as many points if not more.

i havent yet been convinced in what scenario not having swan makes sense.

Captain Swan locked and Loaded. Couldn't give a flower if he drops (100k)?

You can afford not to start with swan in my opinion but you would need to have Ablett in your team to do so.

I'm not swanless in the big wide world anymore, I'm not gajless either :) so should be right for skippers.

I wanted my big 4 in swan gaj, and two of (thomo,rockliffe,selwwod) but only ended up with 1 in thomo and barlow as a consolation 4th mid. a good one i hope.

I agree with a lot of the above posts the extra cost of swan (which put me off initially) is not relevant when picking your first few top midfielders or any position for that matter, such as buddy or your first ruck, or defender.

Have Swanny, Gaj and Barlow absolutely locked.

The head scratcher for me is 2 of Pendels, Murphy, Mitchell, Rocky, Selwood.Thomo.
I  currently have Pendels and Thomo penciled in,  but the grass always looks greener....... It's doing my head in.

I can currently let go of Murphy and  Mitchell in my mind. But Selwood Thomo and Rocky keep haunting me.

Quote from: Kuruki on January 04, 2012, 08:55:59 PM
Have Swanny, Gaj and Barlow absolutely locked.

The head scratcher for me is 2 of Pendels, Murphy, Mitchell, Rocky, Selwood.Thomo.
I  currently have Pendels and Thomo penciled in,  but the grass always looks greener....... It's doing my head in.

I can currently let go of Murphy and  Mitchell in my mind. But Selwood Thomo and Rocky keep haunting me.

These are the choices we are all making, and it will ultimately come down to the rest of your team bye structure.

Quote from: SydneyRox on January 04, 2012, 09:03:50 PM

Quote from: Kuruki on January 04, 2012, 08:55:59 PM
Have Swanny, Gaj and Barlow absolutely locked.

The head scratcher for me is 2 of Pendels, Murphy, Mitchell, Rocky, Selwood.Thomo.
I  currently have Pendels and Thomo penciled in,  but the grass always looks greener....... It's doing my head in.

I can currently let go of Murphy and  Mitchell in my mind. But Selwood Thomo and Rocky keep haunting me.

These are the choices we are all making, and it will ultimately come down to the rest of your team bye structure.

easier for me i only had to pick 1, would love to have 4 premiums and barlow start in the mids, but with a dual premium ruck and solid fwd and back lines i just cant find the extra half a mil to do it.

the great dane, hes a DT god but for the first time in 2 years im considering not starting him..why?
because he isnt likely to improve his average and with emergence of rockliff (could avergage 118ish IMO), and ablett likely (IMO) to take his spot as the best DTer and these bloody byes... barlow is a must have (r.12 bye) and then theres swan... but selwood has so much value!!   and is $60,000 cheaper and will more than likely become a ultrapremo, he averaged 114.5 if you dont count his sub effected game and that suspension was unfair.. he scored a low 70 when he retuned after having a month off..averaged 117 if you dont count that game

ok maybe im a bit of a fan of him haha... am i crazy for not starting swan (obviously will get him in) ??
what are your thoughts??

not crazy, i'm probably going to leave him as an upgrade target after the byes
pendle, ablet, rocky, barlow should be enough gun mid for me until then so i'm not "missing out on 20+ points each round therefore screwing my chances at the car"

it's swans potential to put up such big scores that makes it a risk not to have him, that coupled with having the big C on him.

If you don't have him while every dog has his day, i think the only otehr likely captain you can hope to or expect to get those big scores is Ablett.

Taking the captain issues out of the equation yeah having any of the top 10 midfielders isnt going to cost you a lot of points each round as opposed to having swan.

Me im starting swan ablett thomo and barlow. and if i changed swan to selwood i wouldnt have enough money to make up the points elsewhere so i figure why not have the best.

It's a tough one. Personally i believe it is hard to see swan improving his average of 123 or even maintaining it in 2012. I'm not saying it will drop drastically but it will probably come down a little. It would make sense to get an underpriced selwood who will most likely improve his average to somewhere in the 115-120 mark but it is so god damn hard to start without Swan. It's almost as if it's not a proper Dream Team without Swan in there. I would only start without Swan if you had either Ablett, Pendles or Rockliff in your side.

Nah. Lock 'n Load. You want the best player in the game in your team from day dot IMO.

Quote from: elephants on January 19, 2012, 01:49:14 AM
Nah. Lock 'n Load. You want the best player in the game in your team from day dot IMO.

This. Like the person above that said, it doesnt even feel like a proper DT without Swanny in it.

I have exactly the same dilemma with my current midfield being Ablett, Rockliff, Selwood, Barlow. It doesn't feel right to go without Swanny and sure he'll be one of the top 6 point-scorers but the other 4 are too good value wise not to pick in my opinion.

I just need to get out my trusty calculator and work out if 11 rounds of having him instead of rockliffe for e.g will offset not having him before his bye round. Even after all that it may just be a personal call. Have had him passt 2 years and will probably again.

Starting GAJ, looks like he has a potential upside, and having Swan as an upgrade target about round 8 to 10 when the GWS/Rookie changes to the magic number begin to balance.

If your serious about DT this year, you have to start both Swan and Gazza!

Swan had a bad patch and averaged 120!
Gaz had a slow start but come home like a house on fire!

Plus look at Gazzas first 9 games, he is gonna go bonkers

You would be stupid not to pick swan even if he is a bit expensive he is worth every cent imo

After considering both sides of the argument I've got him locked in as our #1 midfield/captain option atm. Last year I started with Pendles instead and the move came off in spades; but that's not likely to happen again so he should line up for McRath from  round 1 alongside his partner in crime Ablett.

Pendles/Selwood will be our last upgrade in what will be an awesome midfield.

No two ways about it. He may be expensive but his damn worth every dollar. Stress free captain choice.

I can fit Swan into my team while not feeling like I'm skimping in other areas. With a 4 guns/4 rookies midfield structure, if you have Barlow you can more than likely afford Swan. So if you can afford him and are sure he's going to be a DT slut again, then I think save the trade and risk and start with him.

That being said...

Quote from: DT Gun on January 19, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
If your serious about DT this year, you have to start both Swan and Gazza!

Plus look at Gazzas first 9 games, he is gonna go bonkers

Gazza's easy early start makes him captaincy material and thus probably an argument against splashing out on Swan compared to picking up someone under $560k.

I could still be tempted to hop off him but for now, Swan's in because he's the best player in the game.

even if he drops $50,000 it will be tough making it up from culling rookies

leave a comment please 8)

There are three kinds of DTiers:
1. Those that start with Swan.
2. Those that start with GAJ.
3. Those that are loosers

Quote from: Presto on February 04, 2012, 01:00:29 PM
There are three kinds of DTiers:
1. Those that start with Swan.
2. Those that start with GAJ.
3. Those that are loosers

Four, actually.

1. Those that start with Swan.
2. Those that start with GAJ.
3. Those that start with both
3. Those that are losers.

Who voted not putting Swan in at all    ???  :o   :o   :o

Five actually

1. Those that start with Swan.
2. Those that start with GAJ.
3. Those that start with both
4. Those that are losers.
5. Those that are Major losers that are not putting Swan or GAJ in at all

Quote from: Presto on February 04, 2012, 01:00:29 PM
There are three kinds of DTiers:
1. Those that start with Swan.
2. Those that start with GAJ.
3. Those that are loosers

Bahah loosers? Really? Jks, I agree got have one but ideally both.

Have both along with Rocky and Barlow.
Pendles will come in after the bye.

Slots into my powerhouse midfield alongside Gazza, Murphy, Thompson, Barlow and Shiel.