Poll
Question:
Will he bounce back in 2012?
Option 1: Yes
Option 2: No
Considering N Roo will be coming off close to his worst season of all time, do you think he will bounce back? He has been one of the better, if not the best, forward option for many years based on his overall output, yet 2011 will be a year he and his fantasy coaches would prefer to forget.
While i didn't have him in my team at any point last year i am strongly considering him for the upcoming season. He was obviously distracted with the off field dramas and looked to lack his usual confidence. I think he will have a point to prove to himself, his supporters, his critics and his ex-coach. He isn't over the hill yet in terms of DT score ability, but is getting there.
Obviously there are concerns though when picking a player such as this. Was his poor season purely above the shoulders? Did injury hamper his ability to lead and hit the ball at pace? We didn't see him dominating the entire forward half this season, seemed to hang out closer to goal.
All this being said i am still considering him as i want to take the risk on one of Didak, Brown or NRoo. Wouldn't even consider having two of those in my line up so initially leaning towards Roo. Although there may even be a better option around his price tag anyway.
You know what they say. You can't keep a good man down. Question is, will he turn it all around or will it all end in tears (you know he loves a good blubber :'()
cheers :)
No. Not for me. I do think he will raise his average against last years though.
My honest opinion is that he wont bounce back to consistent 100+ scores. The zone has killed his ability to rack up points. See a post I made a while ago
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,41650.0.html
it depends. If the saints do something like pick up fev in the draft for another flag bid, I can see him bouncing back. You would think with fev and roo in a forward line, the zone would be a bit impractical, and players would be forced to just man up.
Cheers valk, interesting post mate. Really i would prefer to free up another 50k and try to slot a less risky forward in, although all the forward line players seem to be risky this year LOL!
Quote from: DicingApple on November 16, 2011, 01:56:57 PM
Cheers valk, interesting post mate. Really i would prefer to free up another 50k and try to slot a less risky forward in, although all the forward line players seem to be risky this year LOL!
All forwards seem risky to me - every year
this year there seems to be a distinct lack though.
maybe this is going to be a huge BOY for all fwds?
Quote from: Ziplock on November 16, 2011, 02:09:56 PM
this year there seems to be a distinct lack though.
maybe this is going to be a huge BOY for all fwds?
Yeh, have noticed most of the teams posted have included Franklin/Fyfe/Cloke and then others teetering on the brink , yet no love for the Pav or the Chapster. Maybe a sign of the times 8)
Franklin will be first to line up in my forward line but not sold on Fyfe/Cloke...................................yet! :-\
just a bit too much risk on him this coming year ... think he's going to be awkwardly priced in terms of 'do i pick him, don't i pick him' ...
the only thing that is likely to change peoples' minds is if he starts tearing things up pre-season wise and i think that unlikely at this stage.
i'd put him in the unlikely category ... ;)
I think Pav will have a good DT/SC year in 2012 if Ross plays him at CHF. He has had better averages when he plays predominantly there.
No. I don't think he will be a premo anymore. The zone, his head and the fact i can't see the saints challenging again with their list are all working against him.
I tend to agree with most of u guys the fact that N Roo had a very ordinary year just gone. But i think it's a bit prem to right him off. I realise that the zone + photo scandal + new coach, all make it risky. but the fact is, before last year. he was normally a lock (sometimes as capt.) By the sound of things , he'll end up being a unique. Big watch on pre-season for me
Yeh he's champ so i wont be quick in writting him off. Last year was ordinary by his standards no question. The zone doesnt bother
me as much as his knee does when suggesting can he get back to what he was in 2010 and prior. It certainly limited his running power in 2011 and for him to score like he used to, he needs to be able to do that ie run the opposition into the ground. Time will tell and as Dudge said watch him through the Nab cup and decide from there.
There are too many better players now. He has a knee that has a mind of its own and he can't seem to take a mark :P
No.
I'm sorry
Close to a lock for me, i guess that becasue as the DT talk boys say, im an old school dt'er.
Quote from: Holzman on November 16, 2011, 06:40:07 PM
Close to a lock for me, i guess that becasue as the DT talk boys say, im an old school dt'er.
+1 Holz ,he had of those years better forgotton, still fully fit ,confident some big scores to come from roo
Quote from: Holzman on November 16, 2011, 06:40:07 PM
Close to a lock for me, i guess that becasue as the DT talk boys say, im an old school dt'er.
Im with ya Holz, but i'l be paying close attention during the Nab Cup before locking him in.
He needs to go to the wing like Richo did in his twilight years before Ill get him in.
I wont be getting him unless Fev is playing next to him either.
Has lost a yard or 2 in burst speed, opposition knows the saints always look for him, so very often its 1 v 3 when the ball goes near him.
The ship has sailed.
i agree the ship has sailed on him , i initially was going to give him one more year but at the risk of being wrong didnt last past the first draft of my team
He is pretty close to a lock for me. I'm also going with Brown and Didak. Is that crazy? If they all return to 2010 averages I will be a genius
Im probably going with Brown aswell. Didak will depend on what Bucks has planned for him and Roo's future with me will rest on his Nab form in 2012 before he's locked.
I'll be selecting Riewoldt regardless of nab form, have a look at his averages year on year. It can't be ignored.
Quote from: Speculator link=topic=44876.msg 592808#msg 592808 date=1321494918
I'll be selecting Riewoldt regardless of nab form, have a look at his averages year on year. It can't be ignored.
The zone and his knee must cause you some concern. Priced ok if he can conquer those two issues.
What evidence is there that the zone caused his demise? I would put much more faith in the reason for his slump being the knee (which he has had cleaned up). So long as he looks in reasonable nick in the preseason I'll be happy to select him and I hope everyone else is scared off because of last year. I think the chances of this guy being in the top 7 forwards is very high. His sustained record of excellence as a forward over a long period of time is almost unrivalled. But please don't let me change your mind, pick Dangerfield
I wont be picking Danger you can take that to the Bank, I think the zone has played a small part in this years form but i agree with you i think his knee was the major contributing factor. He needs to be able to run his opponents into the ground, its a significant part of his armory. If his Nab form looks good and he's running freely then i will be jumping on again. Ive been playing this caper for 5 years and ive never gone into a season without him.
Well I think that's very smart Grazz. Looks like a heap of coaches will be jumping off in 2012, hope so.
You may be right mate but i think a lot are just being cautious, if he comes out firing there will be a stampede of coaches jumping on.
Wait and see for me.
Quote from: elephants on November 17, 2011, 04:19:52 PM
Wait and see for me.
There's alot of us doing the same thing i think buddy, wise move. Whats the rush its only November.
I predict my side will change a hell of alot between now and rnd1.
Quote from: Speculator on November 17, 2011, 09:07:20 AM
He is pretty close to a lock for me. I'm also going with Brown and Didak. Is that crazy? If they all return to 2010 averages I will be a genius
Wanna join a league bud?
Your team sounds like a nice % boost for me
Put your side up hero
My gut tells me that Nroo is a good pick in 2012 because he is a gun, he's underpriced and he will be determined to atone for a poor 2011 by his standards. My head tells me to wait for the NAB cup. St K will playing differently under Scott Watters and I want to see what his role is in the new structure/gameplan is before I stump up the cash. I also want to see how well he is moving.
Quote from: Devo_ on November 18, 2011, 12:05:16 PM
My gut tells me that Nroo is a good pick in 2012 because he is a gun, he's underpriced and he will be determined to atone for a poor 2011 by his standards. My head tells me to wait for the NAB cup. St K will playing differently under Scott Watters and I want to see what his role is in the new structure/gameplan is before I stump up the cash. I also want to see how well he is moving.
Alot of us feel the same way as you, basically at this early stage youd be silly to completely out anyone really.
Who knows what a good pre season and the Nab cup can do for players.
I had Roo this year so watched his games closely. He gets double teamed constantly, against the better sides he struggled. His knee isnt a big problem, im sure that will get fixed up in the off season.
I think st kilda are on the slide, and their midfield isnt as dominant as it used to be. Although he loves playing north melbourne haha. He has a pretty good first half of the year, but second half is pretty hard, so bringing him in, getting his scores early and then trading him at the peak of his price is probably what i would do if anything. He has GC twice in the first 11 rounds.
Quote from: DT Gun on November 18, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
I had Roo this year so watched his games closely. He gets double teamed constantly, against the better sides he struggled. His knee isnt a big problem, im sure that will get fixed up in the off season.
I think st kilda are on the slide, and their midfield isnt as dominant as it used to be. Although he loves playing north melbourne haha. He has a pretty good first half of the year, but second half is pretty hard, so bringing him in, getting his scores early and then trading him at the peak of his price is probably what i would do if anything. He has GC twice in the first 11 rounds.
The zone helped with the double and tripple teaming on him but the Saints made it easy for the opposition by looking for him so much.
I kinda thought his knee was his biggest issue mate as he lost alot of his running power, hopefully the clean up Operation will sought this but he's said it will bother him for the rest of his career and needs to be managed carefully.
The Saints mid field was down in 2011 but loosing Hayes and Montagna being down on form didnt help their cause.
I like you think their Premiership window is closing fast if not shut already.
Roo does like playing Nth Melb doesnt he lol, funny how some players have their favourites and always seem to score big against them
Im considering him for fyfe. Any value this year?
Jack appeals more.
not a fan of eitehr roo, end of story. brown is in the same boat as nroo, capable but will could get triple teamed, brown is cheaper = brown over nroo,could you be mad enough to have both.
jroo well thats another topic
I have some mates that have locked him in but i don't think i will with the other better forward line options available.
at the moment he's not in my team....however there are 2 things that could sway me
1. a change in game plan.....as watters has hinted at
2. form
form is reportedly good, kozi too so if he provides an alternate option up forward it could help roo.
Yet fit roo runs like buddy and buddy is at least as much a target as roo is and buddy comes down the ground like roo does, there is a reason roo was elite like buddy is,
question is can roo get back to or can the saints allow him the opportunity to get back to buddyism....
It's funny that many people say no no no I'm not picking Roo this year bc he is done/no longer a premium/more interested in photography, but yet come NAB Cup time if he puts out a few good performances many of those same people will be saying "he's a lock in my team!" You can't possibly write him off this early! Paying attention to him in NAB Cup doesn't cost you a trade, so why not just keep an open mind when these sorts of topics are posted?
It's hard to go past him at his price. Proven DT'er, still only 29, new coach so new game plan, coming off a poor 2011 so will be keen to atone. He's ticking a few boxes for 2012.
+'s might outweigh -'s.
Guys,
Just want to hear your thoughts on Nick Riewoldt this year, apparantly he is travelling real well, has successfully cleaned up his knee and said he was feeling better then ever!
This guy when HOT dominates, and with lenny hayes, dal santo, Fisher, Goddard, Monty's providing good deliveries to him, surely he can bounce back!
Plus they have a new coach and surely he wont be playing lockdown footy like Ross Lyon did???
Your thoughts...........
An upgrade at best for me RD. Too badly burnt last year so for no other reason will not be starting him. As you say he may bust out a big one, but I will wait for the photo..like last years...(sometime the sickness just sneaks up on me...)
Ditto - too big risk at this point
Tough call,
probably not worth the risk in DT but is in SC.
His past averages in SC b4 last year are too ridiculous not to think of taking a punt. Heres hoping for a half decent NAB cup from him.
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on February 02, 2012, 12:37:10 PM
Tough call,
probably not worth the risk in DT but is in SC.
His past averages in SC b4 last year are too ridiculous not to think of taking a punt. Heres hoping for a half decent NAB cup from him.
+ 1
Will have him in SC to start, wait and see through NAB for DT
Do Roo, new coach, new attitude, back to best?
I have more Faith in Brown_Dog. So I'm going with him instead. ;)
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on February 02, 2012, 12:37:10 PM
Tough call,
probably not worth the risk in DT but is in SC.
His past averages in SC b4 last year are too ridiculous not to think of taking a punt. Heres hoping for a half decent NAB cup from him.
2 years is a loooooooong time in footy at the highest level...the game can leave you behind very quickly
The same would apply for JBrown
Im going for Christo from the cats instead...has it all in front of him
I've got him but let's see how he goes in NAB cup. We all know his best can win you games and he did i think have a few games like that at the start of last year. If he was playing injured for much of the year then why shouldn't he bounce back? The fact that he plays for StKilda could contribute in the positive. The fire burns to prove yourself and make up for past failures and the clubs pathetic history, no matter how vain the attempt may be. Poor Saints..
I don't like alot of the premium options around. at the moment I've got Goodes, martin, Riewoldt, and Christensen then the rest rookies. but I have the cash to get Robinson (only other premium I'm interested in) and/or J-Brown.
I have faith in Roo, particularly with St. Kildas easy start but then again will there be better options in the 2nd half of the season? Probably. Tough call and NAB Cup will count for more for Riewoldt compared to other premium selections.