Poll
Question:
Who is the better backline option?
Option 1: Heppell
Option 2: Hartlett
After finishing 21054, or top 7%, in my first season of DT, with a team i pretty much threw together a few days before lockout, i have decided to put some time into planning my team better next year. I made the typical rookie mistakes ie. burnt trades for the sake of trading, started with too many mid-pricers etc. This year i have decided to loosely base my team on the "guns n rookies" strategy. So my team would go something like this (note; i havn't put it together on FP yet so will be adjustments made with salary cap obviously).
B: 3 guns/1 mid/rooks
M: 3guns/1mid/rooks
R: 2 guns/rooks
F: 3guns/1mid/rooks
Have only started looking at my backline so far and have Gibbs, Goddard, Deledio as my premo's. They will be locked in, no questions asked as i don't really see any other backs that i feel comfortable about setting and forgetting this year. I need one mid pricer with the potential to step it up and have cut it down to Heppell and Hartlett.
While Heppell will only be a second year player i beleive he is more mature than most newbies. He is durable, an incredibly smart footballer and seems to attract the ball. He will have a full pre-season under his belt and most likely spend more time in the mid-field as he will be developed as a Luke Hodge style player. Downsides i see are, second year blues (always exceptions to the rule) and the fact i am extremely biased, i mean EXTREMELY!!!!!
Hartlett looks to be close to the best, if not THE best player at Port. He too demands plenty of footy. I know a lot less about this guy than Hep but what i do know is, he will be a priemium at some point in his career (no doubt they both will with time). Downsides i see with Hartlett are, he plays for Port and he is prone to soft injuries.
Love to hear what you guys think of these two and also happy to be be made aware of other suitable players around this price-tag.
cheers :)
put up a poll Apple
and Heppell by a mile ;)
mmmm Dapple, it's a tough one tbh
if it makes your choice easier, I had a dream last night that heppell only averaged 74 in 2012.
I personally really liked the look of Heppell for 2012. Like, to become a premium he barely needs to break out, if he bumps up his averaged by 8-10 points, like Trengove or Martin did this year, good job.
I'm thinking he's a definite possibility and contender... that being said, I think Hartlett edges him out over scoring ability at this stage. He'll be primed for a break out year next year, but at his price, as a mid pricer, you would really be wanting a close to 100 avg... and with his soft tissue injuries as you said, and playing for port...
that's actually a really tough one to split. At this stage, I would probably call Hartlett by a hair, but really NAB performances will sway me either way (I'm also looking to split these two for 2012)
heppell, won't get injured and will probably play more mid time to go with slutting it across the backline + u dont have to worry about injury
why is hartlett listed as a back anyway? from what i saw of port this year, he played 100% game time in the midfield
Yep, that is one of the cons i forgot to mention in my original post, Hartlett may well be listed purely as a mid and the decision will be made for me LOL! As a pure mid i see far better value than Hartlett for that price, not the case in the backline though.
Another who could be added to this list is Houli...
I've got Heppell in mine atm mainly for his durability and also the fact he doesn't have a rnd 13 bye. He seems a pretty confident kid in a rising team so hopefully won't suffer the 2nd year blues.
Hartlett will be a gun and if he has an amazing preseason it will be hard not to pick him.
Heppell for me atm...
Quote from: me on November 15, 2011, 03:02:46 PM
heppell, won't get injured and will probably play more mid time to go with slutting it across the backline + u dont have to worry about injury
why is hartlett listed as a back anyway? from what i saw of port this year, he played 100% game time in the midfield
Touch Wood
gibbs is no lock , he is mid only i think
Quote from: me on November 15, 2011, 03:02:46 PM
heppell, won't get injured and will probably play more mid time to go with slutting it across the backline + u dont have to worry about injury
why is hartlett listed as a back anyway? from what i saw of port this year, he played 100% game time in the midfield
when he hurt his shoulder he played across half back for 5 or 6 games instead of going straight in for surgery
Not considering either at this stage but Heppell if I had to choose.
I'd go Hartlett.
But considering his injuries. He'd be a big risk.
But I reckon both Heppell & H.H will score around the same next year.
Quote from: Ziplock on November 15, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
mmmm Dapple, it's a tough one tbh
if it makes your choice easier, I had a dream last night that heppell only averaged 74 in 2012.
I personally really liked the look of Heppell for 2012. Like, to become a premium he barely needs to break out, if he bumps up his averaged by 8-10 points, like Trengove or Martin did this year, good job.
I'm thinking he's a definite possibility and contender... that being said, I think Hartlett edges him out over scoring ability at this stage. He'll be primed for a break out year next year, but at his price, as a mid pricer, you would really be wanting a close to 100 avg... and with his soft tissue injuries as you said, and playing for port...
that's actually a really tough one to split. At this stage, I would probably call Hartlett by a hair, but really NAB performances will sway me either way (I'm also looking to split these two for 2012)
Damn i was considering him, oh well to the black list you go Heppel! No that doesnt help
you sure, I think that's some really solid evidence :P
Heppell easily. Hartlett is very injury prone and Heppell has proven in his 1st season that he can score very consistently.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on December 15, 2011, 06:15:50 PM
Heppell easily. Hartlett is very injury prone and Heppell has proven in his 1st season that he can score very consistently.
heppel may hover around his average, but hartlett has the potential to average 100. Nothing wrong with picking heppel i dont think by any means its an easy decision.
So do you think that Hartlett has more potential than Heppell? Don't you think that Heppell has the potential to average 100?
Quote from: Torpedo10 on December 15, 2011, 06:49:14 PM
So do you think that Hartlett has more potential than Heppell? Don't you think that Heppell has the potential to average 100?
just did some stat breakdowns
Heppel 36% sub 80 scores to Hartletts 25%
Heppel 41% 90+ games to HH 56%
Heppels top scores from 22 games 108,107,102 to hartletts 124,109,106. I just feel that hartlett has the bigger ceiling heppel is pretty consistent but i dont see him producing the 120s 130s a couple of times a season yet, that are required to get close to a 100 average.
Hartlett i think can have the big games if he is fit could go above 100, last year he played 4 games and one of them was a 116.
I'd probably pick HH over Hep but with Lids, God and Scotland I'd have 4 premo backs out in rnd 13. No real way to get around it...
Quote from: Matty411 on December 15, 2011, 09:42:28 PM
I'd probably pick HH over Hep but with Lids, God and Scotland I'd have 4 premo backs out in rnd 13. No real way to get around it...
you will need 3 out round 12 and 4 out round 13
or vice versa to optimally make it through the byes
Hartlett has already had two seasons in the system. He averaged 88 in 2011. Heppell played his first season in 2011. He averaged 84. two extra seasons should be more of a difference than 4 points. I'm looking to go a bit risky with my backs. My top 4 backs might be Goddard, Birchall, Heppell and Waters for 2012.
I am also sitting on a smokey in my backs. 3 guns and a smokey for me.