Just a rough beginner. Looking alright. So many bargains too many to choose from
Probs start a few more rookies next year but don't have a great understanding of whos good or who will end up where in draft and who will get game time so save that til next year
Gibbs, Enright, Deledio, Birchall, Yarran, Petrenko, Dempsey
Astbury, Urquhart
Pendlebury, Selwood, Shuey, Barlow, Coniglio, Wingard
Shiel, K.Stevens
S.Jacobs, M.Luenberger
Giles, Renouf
S.Johnson, Fyfe, Sidebottom, Steven, Dawes, Hawkins, Day
Ugle, Porplyzia
Alos considering
L.Henderson if he keeps playing at CHB
Watts
Nic Nat
Phil Davis
Rohan
Redden/rockliff
Dustin Martin
David Mackay
Daniel Menzel (if over ACL)
I have doubts on: Yarran, Sidebottom and Hawkins. Sidebottom isnt consistent enough, Yarran is too closely looked at by the opposition and Hawkins is looking like a DT player- yet. What Dempsey are you referring too?
Is there more than one. are you thinking of dempster. courtenay from bombers he will be cheap
Yarran played defence most of the year and probably deserved all australian. He developed in this role as year went on and will get better. runs out of back pocket
Sidebottom is probably a bit too inconsistent for a midfielder but as a foward he is perfect. He has only had 3 seasons in the afl so can only get better especially at collingwood.
Avereaged 86 this year probably expect mid 90s for next year
46 99 86 117 72 128 94 80 95 75 74 51 72 106 90 94 104 104 52 69 87 112
out of the 22 games he played had about 8 bad ones but hey
Hawkins i also have my doubts about but now mooney is gone and pods is pushing 30 (hah and he is only new to afl) geelong need to start developing a new foward. He was dynamite in the grand final and they have been hyping him up for years. Hope he stays that way.
I would only doubt Yarran. I can see Sidebottom working well, and Hawkins needs to be considered imo.
I dont but hey he is the risk i am taking. he was one of the first i locked in
Dane Swan will be the only lock in haha
Not for me. Id much prefer a pendles or daisy who are improving. IMO swan will get more attention from taggers now he has won a brownlow, he will still average 100s but might mean a few lower scores when he gets towelled up by taggers
I think if we learnt anything from zac smith this year Jon Giles should be a lock next year barring injury
Quote from: Fyfe_gun on October 15, 2011, 05:26:13 PM
Not for me. Id much prefer a pendles or daisy who are improving. IMO swan will get more attention from taggers now he has won a brownlow, he will still average 100s but might mean a few lower scores when he gets towelled up by taggers
I think if we learnt anything from zac smith this year Jon Giles should be a lock next year barring injury
Are you for real?! The Brownlow doesnt matter, everyone knew he was the elite midfielder of the comp well before the Brownlow. He was the hot favourite last year aswell. The Brownlow has nothing to do with taggers, cause good players will get around taggers and he certainly is a damn good player
Ahh really because anyone remember adam cooney. Won a brownlow and hasnt had a half decent year since.
I will still get him but while barlow and shuey are cheap would use them and wait for swan to drop.
Quote from: Fyfe_gun on October 15, 2011, 10:16:33 PM
Ahh really because anyone remember adam cooney. Won a brownlow and hasnt had a half decent year since.
I will still get him but while barlow and shuey are cheap would use them and wait for swan to drop.
Is a myth.
For every Adam Cooney and Shane Woewodin, you have a Harvey, Crawford, Akermanis, Black, Buckley, Ricciuto, Goodes, Cousins, Judd, Bartel and Ablett.... (surely you can't say that any one of them had only the one good season?)
Swan's had the pressure for years, won't change him. He is getting older, and that might slow him down, but the Brownlow won't. I think the triple best and fairest winner, triple All-Australian, Jim Stynes medal, countless media awards and AFL MVP is use to awards by now!
agree with ossie swan is an elite player will be just as good next year ,petrenko interesting pick showed some good signs :)
Im not doubting swans ability. He will still be a gun the brownlow was not a fluke but he will gain more attention from taggers now he has one. Clubs will play one maybe two up to three taggers to stop him which means when he does get hevily tagged he might only get 20 touches instead of 40 so only 70-80 points a few times next year. I have said that i will pick him up later in the year but to start with him when shuey and barlow even dustin martin are so cheap why not let them rise in value swan drop and straight swap
fyfe_gun, he already gets the most attention from all the taggers, him and Pendlebury, but the still manage to destroy opponents without any worry and this will show in the DT performance
Good team.
Only problems would be urqhart, astbury and Stevens getting regular games.
Could you look at my team?
just scratched this up in the last 10 minutes on fanplanner but i think its looking fairly good. I have 400k odd in the bank to spend so it can get better. With the two matura age ruckman and port rookie on radar i went for bargain ruck.
Gibbs, Goddard, Enright, Yarran, Petrenko, Dempsey, Buntine
M.Talia, Wilkes
Pendlebury, Selwood, Watson, Barlow, Shuey, Tyson
M.Clarke, D.Shiel
Jacobs, Giles
J.Redden, Stephenson
Fyfe, Zaharakis, Sidebottom, Steven, Dawes, J.Brown, Morabito
Panos, Porplyzia
any thoughts?
lots of better options then dawes surely!
He is still fairly young and with some development will become the next Cloke. I rate him highly
Hey lets hope porplyzia and morabito play early im in the same boat as you could make or break us those two early keep a close eye on those two !
Quote from: Fyfe_gun on December 08, 2011, 01:06:28 PM
just scratched this up in the last 10 minutes on fanplanner but i think its looking fairly good. I have 400k odd in the bank to spend so it can get better. With the two matura age ruckman and port rookie on radar i went for bargain ruck.
Gibbs, Goddard, Enright, Yarran, Petrenko, Dempsey, Buntine
M.Talia, Wilkes
Pendlebury, Selwood, Watson, Barlow, Shuey, Tyson
M.Clarke, D.Shiel
Jacobs, Giles
J.Redden, Stephenson
Fyfe, Zaharakis, Sidebottom, Steven, Dawes, J.Brown, Morabito
Panos, Porplyzia
any thoughts?
Id get rid of the following:
Yarran
Petrenko
Dempsey
Shuey
Not a great ruck department
Steven
Dawes
yuck ! thats all i can say lol
Quote from: DT Gun on December 09, 2011, 03:12:30 AM
Quote from: Fyfe_gun on December 08, 2011, 01:06:28 PM
just scratched this up in the last 10 minutes on fanplanner but i think its looking fairly good. I have 400k odd in the bank to spend so it can get better. With the two matura age ruckman and port rookie on radar i went for bargain ruck.
Gibbs, Goddard, Enright, Yarran, Petrenko, Dempsey, Buntine
M.Talia, Wilkes
Pendlebury, Selwood, Watson, Barlow, Shuey, Tyson
M.Clarke, D.Shiel
Jacobs, Giles
J.Redden, Stephenson
Fyfe, Zaharakis, Sidebottom, Steven, Dawes, J.Brown, Morabito
Panos, Porplyzia
any thoughts?
Id get rid of the following:
Yarran
Petrenko
Dempsey
Shuey
Not a great ruck department
Steven
Dawes
Yeah you could be right but personally those players are what seperate my team from others.
Salary cap left: $374,500.
Bryce Gibbs, Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Chris Yarran, Jared Petrenko, Matthew Buntine, Sam Docherty
Will Sierakowski, Beau Wilkes
Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Jobe Watson, Michael Barlow, Luke Shuey, Dom Tyson
Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel
Sam Jacobs, Jonathan Giles
Jarrad Redden, Orren Stephenson
Steve Johnson, Nathan Fyfe, David Zaharakis, Steele Sidebottom, Jack Steven, Chris Dawes, Matthew Panos
Jason Porplyzia, Dayne Zorko
Just a touch of editing.
any better. Mainly just changed around rookies. Wouldn't mind marty clarke still in midfield but how many games will he actually get
unfortunately mate, those players are what stops your team being in the top 5000
you have the cash if I'm right
Shuey to Ablett.
or Shuey to rookie, Yarran to Lids
Or Steven/ Dawes to rookie and Yarran to lids.
I think with all those left field picks, you should really only be going one in each line. Petrenko could do decent this season, he did finish with a few decent games under his belt.
Yarran, I can also see possibility in... he did score over 80 in 9 games and performed notably well vs hawthorn, wce and gc. If he improves his consistency a bit, he could jump to premium status. I think he should be watched as a possibility.
The biggest concern with shuey is his pricing. I think DTgun is being a little harsh on him to be honest. Yes, he only had 4 tons, although that was only his second year, and if that was his blues I'd be damned happy to see what else he can do. But, he scored a 142 and a 130 in two of those tons... that ceiling, in an improving wce team, means his probably worth at least some consideration.
Stevens ceiling is a bit low by the looks of it, but isn't TOO inconsistent, meaning if he improves (and I've heard people rate this kid), that he could be a worthwhile pick.
Dawes had a really shower 2nd half of the season which is what you really don't want from a mid pricer.
look, honestly after checking everyone's stats, I would be going with one of these guys maximum in each line.
Probably Yarran, Shuey and Steven tbh.
downgrade/ upgrade Petrenko and Dawes. I think that if you don't start with Lids this year, you could find yourself considerably behind the competition.
Shuey isnt going to make money so he isnt a cash cow...
Shuey isnt going to average 100+ so he isnt a premium
He is what i call a waste of a trade or dead wood
Big call on him not making a 100+ premium. I mean, all mid pricers entail risk, but shuey's shown he has the capability of big scores, and that was just his second year of footy. he's a high draft pick, and imo fantasy wise (probably not player wise), can be compared very similarly to Rockliff of 2011 for 2012.
he is nothing like rockliff.
Rockliff is the bloke who is involved in the switches of play and gets a bit of the uncontested piill...
Shuey is more of an attacking mid, i think he is like dangerfield but a little better.. He is explosive but not a waxer of the ball, mark my words he wont average 100.. Shuey already gets tagged too
Hence why I said fantasy wise, not player wise. Both high draft picks, neither playing much in their first year (shuey due to illness, rockliff for what ever reason, form, injury, I'm not sure). Both averaging mid 80s in their second year, and rockliff stepping up to premium status in his third. Shuey of 2011 demonstrated he had a higher ceiling than rocky of 2010, just less consistency. Rocky stepped up his ceiling in 2011, no reason why Shuey can't step up his consistency.
cos ones an impact player and ones a waxer....
They are individuals, not all up n coming mids follow a trend
I'll give you that. However, one of the best ways to gauge DTers is through trends. I don't think I'd lock shuey, but if I saw an impressive NAB, I'd be pretty tempted.
alright i have taken advice on board and one back to drawing board
Salary cap left: $155,300.
Bryce Gibbs, Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Jared Petrenko, Matthew Buntine, Sam Docherty
Will Sierakowski, Beau Wilkes
Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Dale Thomas, Jobe Watson, Michael Barlow, Dom Tyson
Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel
Sam Jacobs, Billy Longer
Jonathan Giles, Orren Stephenson
Adam Goodes, Nathan Fyfe, David Zaharakis, Steele Sidebottom, NEED A PREMIUM HERE???, Jack Steven, Matthew Panos
Jason Porplyzia, Dayne Zorko
I have one more premium foward to choose and 537k to spend bt on who. I don't even like the look of goodes in my team???
I tossed up watson but he seems to play under done a bit.
Petrenko i would get out for waters.
Thomas is alright, but u need swan and thats 3 pies if u keep him.
Trade Longer out for HMac.
I want to take advantage of bargain ruck. Longer is really my 4th ruckman with giles to start with jacobs then orren then longer.\
Don't rate waters and would rather keep petrenko or otherwise go dempsey. Instead of watson could look at rockliff or co.??
don't know about the last foward i need
Salary cap left: $99,200.
Bryce Gibbs, Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Courtenay Dempsey, Matthew Buntine, Sam Docherty
Will Sierakowski, Beau Wilkes
Scott Pendlebury, Tom Rockliff, Joel Selwood, Dale Thomas, Michael Barlow, Dom Tyson
Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel
Sam Jacobs, Jonathan Giles
Billy Longer, Orren Stephenson
Adam Goodes, Nathan Fyfe, Matthew Pavlich, David Zaharakis, Steele Sidebottom, Jack Steven, Anthony Morabito
Dayne Zorko, Jason Porplyzia
Here we go. This is looking a lot stronger and it will be the last team i put up for 2011. Hoping a few names are picked up in tomorrows draft to add i.e urquhart or pfiffer.
Just Heard that Mitch Robinson is going to be dpp with mid/fwd. This locks him into my fowards so my team is now
Bryce Gibbs, Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Courtenay Dempsey, Matthew Buntine, Sam Docherty
Will Sierakowski, Beau Wilkes
Scott Pendlebury, Tom Rockliff, Joel Selwood, Dale Thomas, Michael Barlow, Dom Tyson
Stephen Clifton, Dylan Shiel
Sam Jacobs, Jonathan Giles
Billy Longer, Orren Stephenson
Adam Goodes, Nathan Fyfe, M.Robinson, David Zaharakis, Steele Sidebottom, Jack Steven, Anthony Morabito
Dayne Zorko, Jason Porplyzia
Zorko or Panos. I have gone Zorko just because he has a higher scoring potential
for some resaon i think the prices may just be a little under.
Just scrapped this team up
Goddard, Enright, Deledio, Birchall, Dempsey, Buntine, Docherty
Sierakowski, Wilkes
Swan, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Selwood, Barlow, Tyson
Shiel, Pfeiffer
Jacobs, McIntosh
Giles, Stephenson
Beams, Fyfe, Robinson, Zaharakis, Sidebottom, Steven, Porplyzia
Panos, Zorko
To me this team looks like one I'd expect closer to the end of the year, not the start. Doubt i'll be able to afford this round 1.
I hear ya, I don't think the prices are very accurate either. My team is very close to cap and doubt I'll be able to afford it straight up.
I know there is two rookies in defence, one in mids, one in fwds and hmac in rucks but all lines are stacked with premiums. Mids would only need one single upgrade. I don't think they are right, probably around 600k off
Heath Scotland, Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Grant Birchall, Matthew Buntine, Sam Docherty
Will Sierakowski, Beau Wilkes
Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury, Matthew Boyd, Marc Murphy, Stephen Coniglio, Dom Tyson
Stephen Clifton, Adam Treloar
Sam Jacobs, Jonathan Giles
Billy Longer, Orren Stephenson
Steve Johnson, Adam Goodes, Nathan Fyfe, Mitch Robinson, David Zaharakis, Steele Sidebottom, Jason Porplyzia
Matthew Panos, Dayne Zorko
Just fits in the fanplanner salary. I know 4 GWS mids wont work with the multibyes but by the middle of the year the plan would be to offload some to premiums or late starting rookies.
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an ultimate team should not be including enright and scotland based purely on age. And birchall is a punt as well
Ablett>boyd
Mcevoy>Jacobs
and you've put sidebottom and zaha in a GNR team- both are mid pricers.
Buddy instead of johnson, based on stevie j being over priced and guarenteed to fall in the season. Goodes to someone else- cloke maybe, pav possibly. Goodes has a slow start to every season,
Quote from: Ziplock on December 16, 2011, 04:51:04 PM
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an ultimate team should not be including enright and scotland based purely on age. And birchall is a punt as well
Ablett>boyd
Mcevoy>Jacobs
and you've put sidebottom and zaha in a GNR team- both are mid pricers.
Buddy instead of johnson, based on stevie j being over priced and guarenteed to fall in the season. Goodes to someone else- cloke maybe, pav possibly. Goodes has a slow start to every season,
I agree GAJ > Boyd (I would want both in my team as quick as I can)
Berger/Mumford > McEvoy and Jacobs
Sidebottom and Zaha are both good chances of increasing their output - if not you still get a 90pt avg player
Please explain how Stevie J is guaranteed to fall considering he increased his average in 2011 (DT +13, SC +18)
Goodes had 4 x DT 100's and 5 x SC 100's in the first 8 weeks last season. Thats not slow.
Quote from: valkorum on December 16, 2011, 05:00:23 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on December 16, 2011, 04:51:04 PM
Goodes to someone else- cloke maybe, pav possibly. Goodes has a slow start to every season,
Goodes had 4 x DT 100's and 5 x SC 100's in the first 8 weeks last season. Thats not slow.
lol, i was going to say the same thing. He starts slow every year, except last year, when i had him from start to finish! ;D
Zaha and sidebottom are givens because to be honest the rest of the premium fowards stink. Boyd/Gablett what ever floats your boat. You could pick cloke but i'd prefer mids who should tear up more than a tall foward.
Quote from: valkorum on December 16, 2011, 05:00:23 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on December 16, 2011, 04:51:04 PM
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an ultimate team should not be including enright and scotland based purely on age. And birchall is a punt as well
Ablett>boyd
Mcevoy>Jacobs
and you've put sidebottom and zaha in a GNR team- both are mid pricers.
Buddy instead of johnson, based on stevie j being over priced and guarenteed to fall in the season. Goodes to someone else- cloke maybe, pav possibly. Goodes has a slow start to every season,
I agree GAJ > Boyd (I would want both in my team as quick as I can)
Berger/Mumford > McEvoy and Jacobs
Sidebottom and Zaha are both good chances of increasing their output - if not you still get a 90pt avg player
Please explain how Stevie J is guaranteed to fall considering he increased his average in 2011 (DT +13, SC +18)
Goodes had 4 x DT 100's and 5 x SC 100's in the first 8 weeks last season. Thats not slow.
I agree with the ruck statement, I was just picking someone of similar price to jacobs. And I wasn't doubting the validity of sidebottom and zaha, just that they're not technically 'guns' at dreamteam. As for zaha, I would be a little dubious until I see his pre-season- fwds that break out, as zaha did to a degree last year, seem to follow a trend of having a consecutive down year after that.
for stevie J, I meant fall in price- for instance, his habit of pulling out 60s and 70s throughout a season. You're picking him up as the most expensive forward after his best season to date, you'd really be hoping for a little more consistency.
goodes in the first 12 weeks had five scores over 100, with a highest of 129. 3 scores in the 70s, 1 score in the 60s and one score in the 40s. goodes in the last 12 weeks had
over 100- 6
in the 70s- 1
sub 70- none
highest score- 150
that's what I mean by a slow starter. At one point in the season you could have picked up goodes for 320k.
and if neither sidebottom or zaha improve, you get an 80 avg fwd.
I'm not saying it's a bad team, it's a pretty solid team, but I wouldn't define it as a guns and rookies (although that is a primary focus), and I certainly wouldn't call it the ultimate GnR team :P
Salary cap left: $39,000.
Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Dyson Heppell, Courtenay Dempsey, Matthew Buntine, Sam Docherty
Marty Clarke, Luke Brown
Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Michael Barlow, Stephen Coniglio, Dom Tyson
Dylan Shiel, Dayne Zorko
Sam Jacobs, Jonathan Giles
Tom Derickx, Orren Stephenson
Nathan Fyfe, Mitch Robinson, Dustin Martin, David Zaharakis, Steele Sidebottom, Stephen Clifton, Matthew Panos
Jason Porplyzia, Adam Treloar
With all the quality foward rookies have decided to start two. ATM have Panos but am hoping Pfiffer gets promoted and he can take his place.
Zorko in the mids provides cover for the two starting rookies with many foward mpp link options
Derickx takes a ruck bench but it will be decided between him, Jenkins, Cordy, Redden ect. depedning on job security come pre season
Probably my weakest line is defence with two starting rookies. I worry about Doecherty's security and fear he my become the super "gaff" sub. Marty Clarke should provide good cover but im not sure on anyone else. Luke Brown, Sierakowski and Wilkes will be fighting for spots but Spurr from freo is on the radar providing he gets promoted off rookie list.
Fan Footy or Assistant Coach prices (eg. Porp still 115 on FF vs 202 on AC)
Fan footy prices. Where are you getting the other prices from?
Hope that got your attention!
Salary cap left: $38,400.
Brendon Goddard, Corey Enright, Brett Deledio, Greg Broughton, Dyson Heppell, Matthew Buntine, Marty Clarke
Thomas Bugg, Lee Spurr
Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Scott Thompson, Michael Barlow, Dom Tyson, Dylan Shiel
Darren Pfeiffer, James McDonald
Sam Jacobs, Jonathan Giles
Jarrad Redden, Orren Stephenson
Nathan Fyfe, Mitch Robinson, David Zaharakis, Dustin Martin, Steele Sidebottom, Adam Treloar, Dayne Zorko
Stephen Clifton, Sam Kerridge
title is worth of a reply!
Not sold on enright or broughton yet but you would be happy with that backline, personally i think docherty is a better option then buntine and cheaper too. 9/10
Nothing wrong with those mids. 9.5/10
1 gun/3 rooks ruck setup getting more popular, i still like to set and forget but if giles can show a bit then that could change for me, solid! 9/10
Very solid once again nothing much to say except clifton is no longer a fwd im afraid. possibly missing buddy could put you behind but i assume theres a reason for it. 8.5/10
Overall very strong team well done, just a few little things i rekon could improve your team :) 36/40
Mind having a look at mine?
Quote from: theflyinghawk on December 29, 2011, 01:28:07 AM
title is worth of a reply!
Not sold on enright or broughton yet but you would be happy with that backline, personally i think docherty is a better option then buntine and cheaper too. 9/10
Nothing wrong with those mids. 9.5/10
1 gun/3 rooks ruck setup getting more popular, i still like to set and forget but if giles can show a bit then that could change for me, solid! 9/10
Very solid once again nothing much to say except clifton is no longer a fwd im afraid. possibly missing buddy could put you behind but i assume theres a reason for it. 8.5/10
Overall very strong team well done, just a few little things i rekon could improve your team :) 36/40
Mind having a look at mine?
My plan with my mids are to wait for Swan and Rockliff ect to drop then bring them in. Thompson has easy fixture so should improve average hopefully
I really have faith in Giles
Yeah no buddy for me, Clifton??? oh well there are plenty of fwd rooks
i know there are a few rookies like 5fer and spurr but hoping for promotion