James McDonald returns via GWS Player/Coach. Could be similar to Harris in the value he offers next year.
Quote from: MTTY on September 14, 2011, 01:57:24 AM
James McDonald returns via GWS Player/Coach. Could be similar to Harris in the value he offers next year.
if he is 120k like harris than i think he is worth picking up for 6-7 games than dump him.
We keep hearing about player/coach for GWS but how many will actually play each week or will they rotate. (Power, Mac Donald, Cornes and maybe Brogan so are we getting a bit too heavy with veterans.
There would be two big problems with bringing in Junior when compared with the likes of Harris.
Firstly, while Harris had a year away like McDonald, Harris' averages in his last AFL season were 66/74 (DT/SC), whereas McDonald's were 94/99. You would think that this would make him significantly more expensive, even after his discount.
Secondly, this quote from the Herald Sun, "whether I play eight, 12 or 15 games, who knows?".
The man has been out of the system for a year, will be 35 years old, and thinks that he may play single figure games. Unless he is very cheap, and the GWS young midfield brigade don't look ready to go early, then you would think that a draftee at a struggling club would be a better way to go.
they will do a lot of rotating..
wouldnt be suprised if we see more older players and retirees being signed
on one year deals
Quote from: Holzman on September 14, 2011, 06:40:00 AM
Quote from: MTTY on September 14, 2011, 01:57:24 AM
James McDonald returns via GWS Player/Coach. Could be similar to Harris in the value he offers next year.
if he is 120k like harris than i think he is worth picking up for 6-7 games than dump him.
Thinking the same...
Anyone interested?
Had forgotten about Little JMac, i'll see how he's travelling in the preseason. If he's going well, i'll definitely look at him.
In some respects I struggle to see how this guy is not a lock for most people (that's if he isn't)...
When you consider he once averaged 112ppg (in 2006), the season after he averaged 98.7ppg, and in his last AFL season (2009 - the one before last) he averaged 99.7 - when he wasn't even getting much of a run by the then coach Dean Bailey.
Then think he's had a whole year away from the rigours of AFL footy to rest & re-energise, ready to hit the 2012 season & lead a new team as a senior player with verve & vigour, and that there won't be too many players taking points off him, and he becomes a very interesting propect indeed.
When he only costs $106,600, he only needs to play at least 17-18 games and average about 80ppg & you've had a massive return on investment.
Ask yourselves 3 questions:
1. Solid job security? Check.
2. Potential to score decently-very well? Check.
3. Low competition from teammates to steal points? Check.
Sounds like a reasonable package to me - I'll take him!!
(Especially when I, like many, will be punting on numerous rookies who we really have no idea how they will perform in the AFL, a proven, mature-aged player, with an AFL-ready body, who can score very, very well!)
Thanks Talisman, exactly what I thought....surely he'll play most games with GWS teaching the kids and at that price I'm amazed not many people have him either!
I'm pretty sure he said he'd be happy to play a dozen games or so. Won't have him in my first 30 for the fear he'll get heavily rotated around in midfield of younger talented kids. Might pick him up on the bubble if he get's some good TOG.
Lock and load.
I'll take him. The fact is, he's far less risk than some others. If he doesn't play every game, who cares? There are no guarantees on the other rookies anyway. What you are guaranteed with J Mac is a solid return on your paltry investment. Bring. Him. On.
He will be lock and load if he has a good pre season especially at price $106k.
IMO better value at that price than 1st round draft picks with premiums Conglio, Wingrad, Dyson etc,
Quote from: batt on December 25, 2011, 08:13:51 PM
I'm pretty sure he said he'd be happy to play a dozen games or so. Won't have him in my first 30 for the fear he'll get heavily rotated around in midfield of younger talented kids. Might pick him up on the bubble if he get's some good TOG.
Pretty sure he would have just been being self-depricating. And I reckon all the young kids who have never played AFL football will be more likely to be heavily rotated than JMac.
Quote from: itchytradefinger on December 26, 2011, 12:24:27 AM
I'll take him. The fact is, he's far less risk than some others. If he doesn't play every game, who cares? There are no guarantees on the other rookies anyway. What you are guaranteed with J Mac is a solid return on your paltry investment. Bring. Him. On.
Could not agree anymore!
I mean, I see the excitement of the unknown of rookies - they could be anything! But that's just the point isn't it? A rookie can get all the hype in the world based on U-18 form, then barely play a game. It's a very inexact science picking which ones will play, let alone which ones will be SC gold. Compare that to the mature-age players of recent years like Barlow, Pods, Duigan, Puopolo, etc., who came in and in their first seasons became integral to their teams, played most games, and - in the case of Barlow & JPod - scored more than you could ever hope a rookie would score!
Best thing I've ever seen written about 18 y.o. rookies vs. mature-age, AFL experienced players is above: (that) there are no guarantees on the rookies anyway. Couldn't have put it better myself!!
Locked baring injury for mine.
yes thankyou.... if hes named then hes in
It would be foolish not to give him very serious consideration.
I love my Jimmy Mac from melbourne, if he is listed for round 1, im locking him in no worries, averaged a tiny bit under 100 in 2010
My only concerns are fitness and injury. But if he looks good in the pre-season, he's pretty much a lock.
Actually, now I look at my list, I may have trouble fitting him in. :-[
I currently have one bench spot reserved for a B/C and Kyle Horsely in the other. hmmmmmm.
With a decent pre-season he will definitely be in my team
LOCK! LOCK! and LOCK! - unlesss he breaks something in pre-season or the club announces he won't play..
worst case scenario, he doesnt play every game and he only scores 50-70's he's still as cheap as any other rook and will go up the required $100 to $150K to trade him.
So we might have to wait a little longer than other rooks to get him to max price to trade, that for me is the worst case scenario. The best case scenarion, he plays a lot early, scores 70+ and can be traded in a short amount of time for a big profit.
best case scenario is he plays every game and scores 90+ :P
true that
My first pick in my squad.
Everyone will to and fro about getting McDonald, but if he is named round 1, 90% will jump on.
McDonald is not even a premium priced rookie.
Locked for now! McDonald, Clifton and Coniglio are in for me right now! They are this years Swallow, Harris, Stanley (though Stanley was a back I know)
definatly in
Quote from: Impromptu on December 29, 2011, 11:16:44 PM
My first pick in my squad.
Everyone will to and fro about getting McDonald, but if he is named round 1, 90% will jump on.
McDonald is not even a premium priced rookie.
i disagree if he posts average nab scores and guys like kavanagh, shiel, mitchell etc,, do better and are named round 1 i think it unwise to start him. I will only jump on if he absoultely kills it in the nab im thinking 90+
Looks like a great bargain for your last midfield spot or bench.
I don't feel as confident picking mcdonald as I did Harris, as I don't think McDonald will play as many away games.
By round 6 they'll have travelled to Hobart, Adelaide and Melbourne to play and I don't see him going to all of these matches. At 35 I reckon they'll be pretty sparing with how they use him.
Not doubting his scoring potential, because he could easily avg 80 and if he played 8 games in a row then you could cash him in for a good return but I just don't think he'll be able to stay on the park.
Will definitely have to see how he goes in NAB.
Quote from: tferrier18 on January 02, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
I don't feel as confident picking mcdonald as I did Harris, as I don't think McDonald will play as many away games.
By round 6 they'll have travelled to Hobart, Adelaide and Melbourne to play and I don't see him going to all of these matches. At 35 I reckon they'll be pretty sparing with how they use him.
Not doubting his scoring potential, because he could easily avg 80 and if he played 8 games in a row then you could cash him in for a good return but I just don't think he'll be able to stay on the park.
Will definitely have to see how he goes in NAB.
Why would you draft a 35yo to play him sparingly?
Surely himself plus the likes of Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan and Luke Power will be played as much as possible to help lead and protect the younger players...
Not taking him. There's some great cheap options in midfield this year, and I think Kavanagh, Shiel and Mitchell are better options.
Watch his NAB cup though...
Quote from: jamesalex on January 02, 2012, 06:28:22 PM
Not taking him. There's some great cheap options in midfield this year, and I think Kavanagh, Shiel and Mitchell are better options.
Watch his NAB cup though...
He is a great cheap option. Even guys like Scully and Palmer dont have the exp these kids need around them. McDonald will be a figure they look to and i can see him getting stuck in and leading the way for these young kids. Even if he breaks down 8 or 9 rounds into the season he would have done more then enough, as im planning on getting rid of him by then anyway.
Quote from: oodmutler on January 02, 2012, 06:23:55 PM
Why would you draft a 35yo to play him sparingly?
Surely himself plus the likes of Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan and Luke Power will be played as much as possible to help lead and protect the younger players...
I dunno, since he was signed as a player/coach - that just indicates to me that they're not overly fussed if he doesn't play every game/not expecting him to play every game. I think I read somewhere that he said himself he wasn't sure how many games he was going to play and said something like I'm not sure if I'm just going to play games near home - but thats a very vague memory.
They'll definitely want cornes, brogan etc to play as much as possible but i'm just not as confident with mcdonald that he'll be able to get himself up for every game. I dunno, I guess we'll see
Just looking through the Fanplanner and saw this ex-gun for 106,600!! 2 years ago he averaged 99.7 and that was in a weak Melbourne side. Just wondering on your thoughts on this guy and would you risk having him in your side??
Will depend on the NAB and where they play him (hopefully floating across the backline), but he is most certainly on my radar. If he plays round 1 then he should outscore most of the players priced around him.
he's a 95% lock in my team, gws need the stronger bodies to protect the younger kids and they wouldnt of recruited him at his age to just sit on the bench,cash cow!!!
He's a gift from the SC gods.
Quote from: Manbearpig on January 17, 2012, 09:44:55 PM
He's a gift from the SC gods.
bahahbaha 'manbearpig'! i havent seen that southpark episode for ages. genius name mate ;D
yep lock him in he may not play 22 but hopefully he'll play the first 8 or 9 and i'll cash that $150K cheque thanks very much :)
by the way yes has to be locked if selected for round one. so much scoring potential and so cheap. i dont care how old he is, at that price you would have to give him a go.
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will he play every game though?
i mean he hasnt played for over a year
he is 36..
what is everyone hoping his avg will be.
youd be dirty if you picked me and he plays games here and there.
Oh Jimmy Mac, why did we get rid of you so?
Love my previous melb capatin, absolute gun that does his task, week in, week out.
If named in side, %100 LOCK
At that price he's certainly on my radar, as Syd said Nab form will mean alot.
Anyone know how he handles a tag?
I doubt he'll be getting it. First tag will go to ward/scully most likely.
The real question should be, will he be used as the hard body tagger?
I don't think we'll see GWS, like GC this year, have a designated tagger. Maybe Cornes, but I dunno.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2012, 06:34:19 PM
I don't think we'll see GWS, like GC this year, have a designated tagger. Maybe Cornes, but I dunno.
Chad "who's yer dad" Cornes is a KPP.
Never tagged in his life & if he did...he would be extremely not very well good to be doing it fail cakes.
I know, but hey, there's nobody else :P
if in the 22 for round 1 hes a lock for me,he couldnt do any worse than all first round draft picks last year besides heppell & possibly d.swallow & he will be significantly cheaper.Most non 1st rd picks are a real gamble,at least with this guy we know hes gonna play games & we know he will play midfield.
Quote from: theta on January 18, 2012, 06:01:57 PM
Anyone know how he handles a tag?
Going by his 2010 avg, pretty well.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2012, 06:34:19 PM
I don't think we'll see GWS, like GC this year, have a designated tagger. Maybe Cornes, but I dunno.
Chad never picked up a man when he was at CHB and had an opponent!
He will be a tagger alright.... but 20 metres away doing his own thing and pointing fingers when his direct opponent gets the ball!
I doubt GWS would bother tagging anyone. McDonald is locked.
Will he play consistently? Everyone will have him, but is it worth having him as a 4th mid and saving money?
he will play consistently if he wasnt going to he would just probably be one of the coaches but as 4th mid?? thats a little risky
Quote from: ando_10 on February 05, 2012, 09:20:01 AM
he will play consistently if he wasnt going to he would just probably be one of the coaches but as 4th mid?? thats a little risky
Very risky. But if McDonald's a keeper, that really only means you're starting 2 rookies, which I think is the norm...
going back to the article name though, I would be a little worried if he was your 4th Mid
Quote from: SydneyRox on February 06, 2012, 12:56:47 AM
going back to the article name though, I would be a little worried if he was your 4th Mid
Agreed...but a nice M6-8
I believe with GWS travelling to Hobart, Adelaide and melbourne early he will play in all of these because these kids won't be ready to do all of that yet. I think a year off will do him good until round 15-16 when his aging body catch up.
Also just my opinion of course, I think he will have a game off before the bye (round 11) then after the bye he will be roated in an out a lot more when these kids have had a taste and look to blood them towards the end of the year when there season is over. All my opinion and ill have him if named round 1.
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 19, 2012, 06:14:47 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2012, 06:34:19 PM
I don't think we'll see GWS, like GC this year, have a designated tagger. Maybe Cornes, but I dunno.
Chad never picked up a man when he was at CHB and had an opponent!
He will be a tagger alright.... but 20 metres away doing his own thing and pointing fingers when his direct opponent gets the ball!
didn't he clean up sam fisher in 2011?
Quote from: charliesheen on February 06, 2012, 02:52:44 PM
Quote from: Nieso FC on January 19, 2012, 06:14:47 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 18, 2012, 06:34:19 PM
I don't think we'll see GWS, like GC this year, have a designated tagger. Maybe Cornes, but I dunno.
Chad never picked up a man when he was at CHB and had an opponent!
He will be a tagger alright.... but 20 metres away doing his own thing and pointing fingers when his direct opponent gets the ball!
didn't he clean up sam fisher in 2011?
I think Sam cleaned himself up - probably thought he was playing on Kane...