Anyone hear anything regarding next year i.e 16 coaches expanded to 18 coaches in your leagues.
18 teams rather than 16. 1 bye only.
squard of 33 and 20 trades.
or
squard of 30 and 22 trades.
21 playing players plus a sub. sub points only used if higher than any other playing players. This will help for early injuries like this year al la selwood, bartel, mundy etc.
direct league vs league. such as total points. so everyone needs to pull there weight.
Where did you hear that? Sounds good
Our league has had a bit of trouble with 'cheating' this season. Some people had more then one team i the league. Usually their second team is woeful. It was the case this year that people missed out on the top 4 due to some people deliberately benching guns or playing injured players to boost their percentage relative to their main competitor's.
Someone suggested doing away with percentages and just use total points scored as the discriminator when two or more people are on the same total points. Would be fairer (then again not having people with two teams in the same league would also do the job). Do you think there is a need to change to system? Aside from cheating, it sounds [retty good to me. Though, the change would make DT less 'realistically AFL' in nature... which would bit a little bit lame...
^ whoops, probably posted this in the wrong thread...might still be SC relevant...
I'm for Percentage over Points! Especially this year, you could have had a score of 2100 and been really good, or a score of 2100 and been really bad... depending on whether it was a high scoring round or not.
Percentage is a more accurate gauge for week-to-week, let total points by the gauge for overall.
Quote from: 709394 on August 18, 2011, 12:39:35 PM
18 teams rather than 16. 1 bye only.
squard of 33 and 20 trades.
or
squard of 30 and 22 trades.
21 playing players plus a sub. sub points only used if higher than any other playing players. This will help for early injuries like this year al la selwood, bartel, mundy etc.
direct league vs league. such as total points. so everyone needs to pull there weight.
Sounds ok, what will happen with the final 8, will 17th and 18th miss finals altogether.
Yeh agree 2 sides in the same comp is cheating.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 18, 2011, 12:46:55 PM
Where did you hear that? Sounds good
i work at virtual sport. cant say anymore. these are the real possibilities. it depends on any rule changes and the draw for next year.
Quote from: 709394 on August 19, 2011, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 18, 2011, 12:46:55 PM
Where did you hear that? Sounds good
i work at virtual sport. cant say anymore. these are the real possibilities. it depends on any rule changes and the draw for next year.
Cheers for that mate. can you keep us posted when you are able to, that would be appreciated greatly.
http://dreamteamtalk.com/2011/09/12/afl-dream-team-2012-pre-season-starts-now/
Confirmation on leagues being extended from 16 to 18 teams per league in 2012.
Quote from: 709394 on August 18, 2011, 12:39:35 PM
21 playing players plus a sub. sub points only used if higher than any other playing players. This will help for early injuries like this year al la selwood, bartel, mundy etc.
that would be excellent and definitely make the game less depressing when someone gets subbed
i hope its implemented i would still like 22 players on the field though
and i would rather a squad of 30 with 22 trades.
Quote from: maanco on September 23, 2011, 06:52:02 PM
Quote from: 709394 on August 18, 2011, 12:39:35 PM
21 playing players plus a sub. sub points only used if higher than any other playing players. This will help for early injuries like this year al la selwood, bartel, mundy etc.
that would be excellent and definitely make the game less depressing when someone gets subbed
i hope its implemented i would still like 22 players on the field though
and i would rather a squad of 30 with 22 trades.
Yeh i feel the same.
Quote from: Very Ltd on August 18, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
Our league has had a bit of trouble with 'cheating' this season. Some people had more then one team i the league. Usually their second team is woeful. It was the case this year that people missed out on the top 4 due to some people deliberately benching guns or playing injured players to boost their percentage relative to their main competitor's.
Someone suggested doing away with percentages and just use total points scored as the discriminator when two or more people are on the same total points. Would be fairer (then again not having people with two teams in the same league would also do the job). Do you think there is a need to change to system? Aside from cheating, it sounds [retty good to me. Though, the change would make DT less 'realistically AFL' in nature... which would bit a little bit lame...
I completely agree with the total points thing. I understand they try to keep the ladders etc. as close to afl as possible, but the % doesn't really translate the same in fantasy football. For instance, in afl, someone gets a high percentage because they kicked a lot of goals, and stopped many from being kicked against them, in fantasy, you can score a lot of points, but you cant prevent points being scored against you, so % becomes irrelevant, and just adds another (unnecessary) element of luck into the game.
Disagree Ziplock,
One round this year, hardly anyone got over 2000, and another round this year hardly anybody got below 2400. Why should a score of 2100 that was rated in the top 1000 scores for the week, be treated worse than a score of 2300 that wasn't in the top 20,000 scores for the week?
Percentage takes into account high and low scoring rounds.
i also disagree ziplock,
I completely agree with ossie
well said!
Gotta throw my support behind Ziplock here. We are speaking purely from a Fan Footy perspective. I have to agree that % in FF doesn't have the same relevance as it does in the AFL. i'll give you a couple of examples:
1) We had a guy in one of our leagues this year who finished 9th in the league but was ranked 1st in total points, it seemed that each time he played someone they would have the game of their season and loose to him buy a handful of points and yes in some cases beat him, then the following week drop back to their usual score. He finished on the same amount of wins as 3 teams above him and missed the A Finals by % which he would of won let me add as he outscored everyone each week he played finals and won the Plastic Cup in a cake walk. I don't see how this is fair or good thing.
2) At the beginning of each season there's always a couple of teams in each league that seem to start well behind the others in scoring potential i.e scoring 100 or so points less than the rest on avg, the sides that play these teams in the early rounds have a huge advantage % wise compared to those sides that face them after say the halfway mark of the season and they've had enough rounds to get their team up and running and be as competitive as the rest of the league, all be it a few trades less than the others but pumping out equal on Avg scores. How is that fair or a good thing.
Now i know people will say well that's the luck of the draw Grazz but in all seriousness that's rubbish really, just a cop out.
I think its a horses for courses kind of deal with %, it works perfectly in the AFL and is fair for all but can have a negative affect in FF and not necessarily be fair to all. I'm also aware that a lot of people want FF to mirror the AFL as much as possible and i agree we should up to the point were it just becomes silly and it's my opinion that this is one of those examples. You may disagree with me and that's your prerogative but when example Number 1 happens to you, id like to know whether you'd still feel the same about the percentage system versus rank in total points. I may get crucified for this but what can you do it comes with the territory.
Im in no way knocking what Ossie said (wouldn't dare, have the utmost respect for our man Ossie) but the relevance of the % system in FF is what im having a go at. Be kind people.
They are good points Grazz, but though first two points are relevant to percentage in the AFL.
For point 1), you often have teams with high scores miss the final. Yes, defence is an issue in the real game, while it is basically luck in fantasy, but still.
And point 2.... Teams have better first halfs and second halfs in the AFL also. And then comes tanking, and resting players....
Defence is the real clincher for me. I think that adding yet another element of luck in the game is unnecessary.
What could be (imo) a viable qlternative, is that the percentage could derive from your score compared to the qverqge score of the round, for eqch round; then averaged out as the season progresses. This way, you still have your lame percentage :P That imo, closer reflects how well you did compared to the rest of the competition in each round gone by, and is a fairer way of measurement.
Sorry if I rambled, does that make sense? what do you think?
Like your thinking Ziplock. Correct me if my intepration is wrong but an example of what you are proposing is each week compare the average round score with your score eg Average Round Score 2100 Your Score 2300 %109.5 and do each week with rolling averages. More realistic measurement imo as well to cope with weaker teams early. For example a guy in our league constructed his team of 6 prems plus rookies at a cost of $7m only and just upgraded to prems as they increased in value with his 24 trades and ended up with a strong team of prems and made prelim finals. In iinitial rounds was only scoring an average of 1500 points so his early opoonents were at an advantage compared to later.
earlier thread said 2 teams in the same league is cheating....ummm forgive me for being stupid, but isnt having 2 teams full stop cheating?
unless u r in a cash league(and if u r u would want to know everyone in that league) who really cares about league.
i also agree percentage is totally pointless in fantasy footy, but because they want it to mirror real life thats why its used.
if i was ever to do a cash league thing again it would be on total points and thats it, its the only way to stop cheating or pure luck of the draw
Quote from: Ringo on September 27, 2011, 12:12:36 PM
Like your thinking Ziplock. Correct me if my intepration is wrong but an example of what you are proposing is each week compare the average round score with your score eg Average Round Score 2100 Your Score 2300 %109.5 and do each week with rolling averages. More realistic measurement imo as well to cope with weaker teams early. For example a guy in our league constructed his team of 6 prems plus rookies at a cost of $7m only and just upgraded to prems as they increased in value with his 24 trades and ended up with a strong team of prems and made prelim finals. In iinitial rounds was only scoring an average of 1500 points so his early opoonents were at an advantage compared to later.
yep exactly :) I dont even think it would matter if the whole competitions average was used, or even just your own league.
Quote from: upthemaidens on September 27, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
earlier thread said 2 teams in the same league is cheating....ummm forgive me for being stupid, but isnt having 2 teams full stop cheating?
unless u r in a cash league(and if u r u would want to know everyone in that league) who really cares about league.
i also agree percentage is totally pointless in fantasy footy, but because they want it to mirror real life thats why its used.
if i was ever to do a cash league thing again it would be on total points and thats it, its the only way to stop cheating or pure luck of the draw
yeah multiple teams is cheating. Some people, oddly enough, play SC or DT for the fun of it, not necessarily for the prizes. Same reason why some people play chess, or soccer even though they'll never be pros. For instance, my main focus is normally the league I'm in my friends with, yeah I'd love to win the comp, and if I was in a position to shoot for first, I would do that, but except for that, I'm going to be league oriented.
Yeh i must admit i usually have 2 Teams, but one is my Moneyleague team which is totally orientated around winning the Moneyleague and will never be a side that could win the whole thing, not that my Overall Team will ever win it either lol, but thats the one that if im ever close i'll have a crack with, made it to Number 1 in the 2009 SC season early in the year but fell out of contention pretty quickly. Alot of talented Coaches out there.
i had 9 teams in 1 sc/dt & sportal league,i finished top 9 in dt but didnt even win the granny at sc,my 9 teams included 1 restricted to 4 letter surnames or less(good midfield & cox),a team where every player was priced under the average($333,000 for sc),a team of all mpp,s,a team with 9 rookie mids & 4 teams 1 of each being stacked with 7 premium backs/6 prem mids/4 prem rucks inc 4 mpp 1 each in def/forw/7 prem forwards & 1 team with no restrictions,hey its all fun.
as for % in one of my dt leagues i was 1 of 2 coaches that got a team with 33 collingwood players when they had the bye,that was a lot of fun watching my % go through the roof
lololololol!