Live chat has exponentially more accounts than the Forum.
Part of the beauty that we have in forum chat is that firstly, it is more moderateable (is that a word?), and secondly you are more accountable to your peers. The continuance of the 'chat cowboys' is horrendous. >:(
That accountability is resultant by ways of respect. I propose that Veteran Coaches are given a coloured named in chat and thusly more respect will hopefully be attained in Live Chat. A coloured name appearing usually breaks the trash talk and could also entice the 'casual' live chatter to maybe embrace the forum where..
(a) more members will see more ads
(b) a classier education will entail re the purpose of this site
(c) it will hopefully bring the spirit of the forum to the chat.
*I know you have red m0nty so there's not many colour options for me :'( or even maybe an icon for Veteran Coaches who join live chat ala the last half of any game of the round where we all get Team icons happening.
Problem is we have separate accounts for the main site but overall not a bad idea. Without doubt coaches are shown more respect on the forum than bootstudders.
My idea Sid was purely business orientated as well as having the intention of cleaning up the chat.
If by providing an icon or coloured name to a chat participant with a relevant forum rank then maybe we could get more chat or main site users into the forum and hence see more ads etc. + grow the site with increased contribution. :-\
"Prospector is a FanFooty forum moderator, though he doesn't have chat admin powers."
I would be entirely happy if this read "Veteran Coaches from the FanFooty forums can be recognised by their blue colour and should be accorded the appropriate respect."
Quote from: Prospector_1 on June 20, 2011, 12:45:53 AM
"Prospector is a FanFooty forum moderator, though he doesn't have chat admin powers."
I would be entirely happy if this read "Veteran Coaches from the FanFooty forums can be recognised by their blue colour and should be accorded the appropriate respect."
Here here Pros 8), I'm sure my idea could help you out and create a better atmosphere in chat. We talked previously about silent moderators and their relevant impact but today my eight year old boy looked over my shoulder and said 'what does he mean about ......*non repeatable*....' .
I'd like to say that I could in 4/5 years time (business forecasting) that this site could be a host to my young fella's entry into virtual sport. However there is no way I'd let him come on with the tirade that is currently being perpetuated.
*just quietly, my young fella may just need his own icon in years to come - can kick 40 metres at age 8, runs like a greyhound and flys like a jet 8)
Quote from: Prospector_1 on June 20, 2011, 12:45:53 AM
"Prospector is a FanFooty forum moderator, though he doesn't have chat admin powers."
I would be entirely happy if this read "Veteran Coaches from the FanFooty forums can be recognised by their blue colour and should be accorded the appropriate respect."
Now Pros, you know that this would be a red rag to a bull. Or blue, in this case. You get enough attacks yourself as it is, so if there's suddenly a bunch of blues, it would turn into a war. I don't think that would be appropriate.
Quote from: McRooster on June 20, 2011, 01:00:13 AM
Quote from: Prospector_1 on June 20, 2011, 12:45:53 AM
"Prospector is a FanFooty forum moderator, though he doesn't have chat admin powers."
I would be entirely happy if this read "Veteran Coaches from the FanFooty forums can be recognised by their blue colour and should be accorded the appropriate respect."
Here here Pros 8), I'm sure my idea could help you out and create a better atmosphere in chat. We talked previously about silent moderators and their relevant impact but today my eight year old boy looked over my shoulder and said 'what does he mean about ......*non repeatable*....' .
I'd like to say that I could in 4/5 years time (business forecasting) that this site could be a host to my young fella's entry into virtual sport. However there is no way I'd let him come on with the tirade that is currently being perpetuated.
*just quietly, my young fella may just need his own icon in years to come - can kick 40 metres at age 8, runs like a greyhound and flys like a jet 8)
That is not something I like to read, McRooster. I feel I've let you down. I treat very seriously the thought that the FF chat should be made watchable by kids, so that parents can sit them in front of FF and know that they're in a relatively controlled environment.
Rather than giving out blanket blues to every Veteran Coach, I'll work this week on appointing special chat mods with banning powers. In this case, I think it would be good to go outside Pros, since he does enough work already (and he could still have a role in crowd control).
Nominations to me via PM would be appreciated, either yourself and/or nominating others who you think would be appropriate... 18+ only I'm afraid, for obvious reasons. I wouldn't require a chat mod to sit on the site for every game, which is why I'd have a few going. It would be casual, no hard scheduling.
Be warned that being a chat mod means that you'd have to dampen down your own behaviour. I'll have a think about exactly what that means, maybe I'll just have a few set warning texts that you could give in your mod colour (back on the game please, no spoilers, etc) and the rest of the time you'd be in black as usual.
Quote from: m0nty on June 20, 2011, 03:48:26 AM
Now Pros, you know that this would be a red rag to a bull. Or blue, in this case. You get enough attacks yourself as it is, so if there's suddenly a bunch of blues, it would turn into a war. I don't think that would be appropriate.
Yeah, I see your point, m0nty! I would love to see a few people stand up more often though.
There are an awful lot of trolls, who seem only to come by to find some poor soul to pick on. It must be their weekend entertainment. Sad in a way!
We can ignore them, but only until they fill the chat with a petty argument once they choose their victim. I can't keep ignoring them once some soul is suffering.
There are some very good members from the forums who are just sick of seeing it, they go elsewhere a lot of the time now.
Any other ideas on what best for them to do to help? Best I've got is for anyone who sees it to call it for what it is - cyber bullying - and tell 'em to back off.
My 2 cents worth, less GST.
As you have said m0nty definately needs more control over this. Agree also with Roost & Pros as you don't need this garbage occuring all the time.
Agree that with the chat mods that you pick MUST be 18+ a lot of Veteran Coaches (under18 years) on here display maturity beyond their years.
Reckon looking at a few of Vets around Roost, Fletch, CrowsFan, Ossie, automatically spring to mind. Sorry to any that I missed,assuming the ones missed are under 18.
Quote from: m0nty on June 20, 2011, 03:48:26 AM
Quote from: Prospector_1 on June 20, 2011, 12:45:53 AM
"Prospector is a FanFooty forum moderator, though he doesn't have chat admin powers."
I would be entirely happy if this read "Veteran Coaches from the FanFooty forums can be recognised by their blue colour and should be accorded the appropriate respect."
Now Pros, you know that this would be a red rag to a bull. Or blue, in this case. You get enough attacks yourself as it is, so if there's suddenly a bunch of blues, it would turn into a war. I don't think that would be appropriate.
Yeah...sorry to open the can of worms...but someone had to. :-\
I don't fully agree with the requirement of being a Veteran Coach.
For one, there are quite a few members that just post to increase their numbers to reach the level of Coach.
Now, I'm on the site, pretty much every day, but I don't post a lot. I'm nowhere near becoming a Veteran Coach, but I'm trying to make the forum a better place (helping out new members, starting a trivia quiz comp etc). What about members like me that would like to put up their hand to help?
Quote from: Prospector_1 on June 20, 2011, 10:35:27 AM
We can ignore them, but only until they fill the chat with a petty argument once they choose their victim. I can't keep ignoring them once some soul is suffering.
There are some very good members from the forums who are just sick of seeing it, they go elsewhere a lot of the time now.
Any other ideas on what best for them to do to help? Best I've got is for anyone who sees it to call it for what it is - cyber bullying - and tell 'em to back off.
Has happened on the forum as well but much more controllable on here than in chat (as it moves so fast at times). I do pop into chat every now and again (although most of the time not logged on) and some of the abuse I see is just ..... since some of them may be children like you all said before. I think you're right Pros with giving them fair warning first to stop. If they continue, they get kicked, simple as that.
I'm U18 so can't do it "legally" :P.
And I can't cause I'm banned :P
At one time there was this guy just insulting everyone, so I tried to defuse it by showing that what he thought the words meant were wrong, so then I copped a lot of abuse.
Quote from: bomberboy0618 on June 20, 2011, 05:33:06 PM
At one time there was this guy just insulting everyone, so I tried to defuse it by showing that what he thought the words meant were wrong, so then I copped a lot of abuse.
Getting involved in the "debate" is just what they want you to do. Instead, say that they are insulting people and it would be better if they discussed the game. Leave it at that, regardless of what they say next.
proud of u Mc always striving for the better and speaking ur mind 8)
some of us have the same names Sid ;) never even crossed my mind to have an alter ego...
i couldnt offer enough time im afraid i could certainly do Saturday day games and the first Sunday game but im working all other games...
tbh i jump on chat only until match stats ( love it m0nty ;) ) opens up as i find chat too distracting negative out of context :-X
pity really bcos chat is a great concept and experience when its filled with "footy talk"
I'll PM my nominees once I've heard back from them that it's ok to nominate them.
There can be no expectation without education and it is our charter to help this become a brighter place.
*Previously banned is a tough area for consideration - I myself have been guilty of transgression, however remorseful I was of that, it did teach me a valuable lesson.
The mods perhaps should have a 'clean sheet' because as you say "Be warned that being a chat mod means that you'd have to dampen down your own behaviour"
- Often my behaviour in chat (being a weekend) can often be 'dampened' by a few coldies during the night games and I guess you should never be behind the wheel of power whislt under the influence - something I could not promise to give up.
During the day games I leave the screen on so I can check player scores as I go in and out of the house doing jobs or playing with the kids. With a young family too it would be selfish of me to put up my hand to sit in on day games as I'm often out as well. (My wife has now put a ban on my lap-top being where the kids can see it without me being there :-[) < That is probably something I should have been doing anyway as my little mini Eee PC has no parental controls unlike our Toshiba which the kids can use whenever, however because we have a safety net on what they can access.
From my understanding, my nominees don't have the above vices or commitments and have never been banned.
Sure, some will still get through to the keeper but with a couple more umpires we may be able to send 'em walking before the noobs have taken guard. Zero tolerance is not the path either, we need characters. Brian Taylor, Rex Hunt, Bruce, Dennis and other iconic callers all have impact with their match call as they often stretch the bow re 'on footy topic' and it makes for entertaining listening.
On reflection, I agree that the mod need not be a Veteran - rather it should obviously only be someone with a proven demonstrated dedication to the site.
Quote from: m0nty on June 20, 2011, 04:03:18 AM
I'll have a think about exactly what that means, maybe I'll just have a few set warning texts that you could give in your mod colour (back on the game please, no spoilers, etc) and the rest of the time you'd be in black as usual.
Quote from: McRooster on June 20, 2011, 11:43:47 PM
Sure, some will still get through to the keeper but with a couple more umpires we may be able to send 'em walking before the noobs have taken guard. Zero tolerance is not the path either, we need characters. Brian Taylor, Rex Hunt, Bruce, Dennis and other iconic callers all have impact with their match call as they often stretch the bow re 'on footy topic' and it makes for entertaining listening.
Agree Roost. It is not so much a matter of the stick, although sometimes necessary, but a issue of culture. One thing is to lead by example, which I think is a reason why any Mod should always be in a special colour. I also think actively steering conversation pre-emptively by setting topics, ideas, etc for people to respond too would be an effective method of building culture as well, all via our own iconic personalities as well.
Some sort of carrot to compliment the stick would be useful. The purple name game is a popular feature and a similar carrot to be handed out would also have a positive effect on the overall behaviour. How this would be implemented would have to be worked out in detail, but I would imagine there would be a set of criteria that the active mod would use to decide who gets it. I would imagine limiting the amount handed out would be best, probably one per match. I would also suggest that it be something other than a coloured name, as it could very well be labelled the "teacher's pet" colour and be far less desirable. Maybe something like getting to come up with an idea for an icon that could be used for a few weeks.
I don't like to use live chat. Too much trolling for mine...
Would Happily volunteer to be a mod. Next year though when im 18 :D
Quote from: BratPack on June 20, 2011, 05:29:04 PM
And I can't cause I'm banned :P
I loled very hard at this.
But yeah, I agree. I'll admit, I'm not the most mature of people in chat (or, at all), but some of the stuff that goes down is disgusting. Unneeded personal attacks and such.
Quote from: Ziplock on June 22, 2011, 12:25:22 AM...Unneeded personal attacks and such.
That is my #1 hate.
Quote from: Ziplock on June 22, 2011, 12:25:22 AM
Quote from: BratPack on June 20, 2011, 05:29:04 PM
And I can't cause I'm banned :P
I loled very hard at this.
But yeah, I agree. I'll admit, I'm not the most mature of people in chat (or, at all), but some of the stuff that goes down is disgusting. Unneeded personal attacks and such.
Agreed - and I am also banned :-\