http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/giant-call-by-draft-teen-stephen-coniglio/story-e6frf9jf-1226072611295
theres plenty of draftees each year that don't want to be drafted to shower clubs or go interstate. needs to get the flower over himself.
It is all relative isn't it. I think for you or myself we would jump at any opportunity like that so it is difficult for us to grasp why someone would make a decision like that.
However given the position he finds himself in, he is able to and has decided to take control of his future so good luck to him I guess.
That being said, this is most likely a tactic such that the Giants don't pick him if given the chance.
w0w bit of a shock... seems odd as there is every chance GWS go bottom and get early picks the year after aswell :-X
If he doesn't want to play for GWS then he doesn't want to... He can be a star cricketer and play for a state side/Australia eventually potentially.
Why spend your time playing for a potentially bottom feeder side in GWS having no fun, when you're not even 100% on footy. He'd probably prefer play cricket than with GWS.
Therefore why do it if he won't enjoy it with them? He's good enough so if he defers he knows he'll get picked up next year anyway, and if not, there's always cricket no big loss for him, only gains.
This bloke was going to be #1 as well. Good on him, not letting the club take advantage of him.
At the draft, are you allowed to decline an offer? SO if he gets picked up by GWS, can he say 'No, pick someone else?'
how is a club taking advantage of him?
AFl players don't get much privacy. They need to follow what clubs say.
They aren't taking advantage of him. He, and everyone else, enters the draft with the knowledge they they could go anywhere. That is it's nature. He is just playing within the rules to maximise the outcome he desires.
Good on him I say. If I were him I'd consider playing for GWS first, and if you don't like after a year or two you can offer a trade or even switch to cricket. As long as he isn't stuck with a contract it isn't against the rules to change sports.
Quote from: PowerBug on June 10, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
Good on him, not letting the club take advantage of him.
Quote from: PowerBug on June 10, 2011, 10:11:50 AM
AFl players don't get much privacy. They need to follow what clubs say.
And your point?
ur 2 posts make no sense... I'm guessing that's what he's getting at?
Quote from: BOOMZ on June 10, 2011, 05:06:01 PM
ur 2 posts make no sense... I'm guessing that's what he's getting at?
^^^
:P
exactly i asked...
Quote from: Marcz on June 10, 2011, 09:48:39 AM
how is a club taking advantage of him?
and u gave me...
Quote from: PowerBug on June 10, 2011, 10:11:50 AM
AFl players don't get much privacy. They need to follow what clubs say.
how would cricket or any other (http://professional) sport be any different?
its a privilege and an opportunity, they r not taking advantage of anyone
You have to follow strict guidlines, and at GWS they will/won't be as strict which could've influenced his decision.
Quote from: PowerBug on June 10, 2011, 06:05:29 PM
You have to follow strict guidlines, and at GWS they will/won't be as strict which could've influenced his decision.
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... clubs get get 1st pick are always showerhouse sides anyway, either because they're new like GC or GWS, or because they suck and finished last on the ladder. Eitherway, you go to a poor club.
If you shine at a poor club like GWS, you're only there for two years and then you'll have other clubs wanting to snap you up. That being said, because of their influx of high draft picks, clubs like GWS/GC are, if their higher picks hold with them, going to be really formidable opponents and premiership contenders very soon when their players mature.
If he defers his drafting purely because he doesn't want to play at a poor club, then that's a pretty poor move imo.
If he defers because he doesn't want to have to travel... I can kinda see where he's getting from, but what are thw WA clubs, just WBD and WCE? Pretty big to hedge a bet that you'll be drafted by one of them.
Quote from: Ziplock on June 11, 2011, 02:10:44 AM
... clubs get get 1st pick are always showerhouse sides anyway, either because they're new like GC or GWS, or because they suck and finished last on the ladder. Eitherway, you go to a poor club.
If you shine at a poor club like GWS, you're only there for two years and then you'll have other clubs wanting to snap you up. That being said, because of their influx of high draft picks, clubs like GWS/GC are, if their higher picks hold with them, going to be really formidable opponents and premiership contenders very soon when their players mature.
If he defers his drafting purely because he doesn't want to play at a poor club, then that's a pretty poor move imo.
If he defers because he doesn't want to have to travel... I can kinda see where he's getting from, but what are thw WA clubs, just WBD and WCE? Pretty big to hedge a bet that you'll be drafted by one of them.
WBD is a Melbourne based team :P
Other than that I agree with everything you said. Highly unlikely he WON'T get drafted out of his state, given that WC/Freo won't be bottom 2 sides in the next year or two. GWS/GC/Brisbane take your pick.
why are they called Western Bulldogs then?
ok, had the home states of WBD and Freo mixed up :P
Quote from: PowerBug on June 10, 2011, 09:26:52 AMif he gets picked up by GWS, can he say 'No, pick someone else?'
No
Someone doesn't know much about football....
Quote from: Ziplock on June 13, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
why are they called Western Bulldogs then?
ok, had the home states of WBD and Freo mixed up :P
Really.... Really
Quote from: valkorum on July 05, 2011, 07:40:07 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on June 13, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
why are they called Western Bulldogs then?
ok, had the home states of WBD and Freo mixed up :P
Really.... Really
Yeah surely that is a joke?
Quote from: CrowsFan on July 05, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: valkorum on July 05, 2011, 07:40:07 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on June 13, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
why are they called Western Bulldogs then?
ok, had the home states of WBD and Freo mixed up :P
Really.... Really
Yeah surely that is a joke?
Stop making fun of me. I get drunk on a regular basis ok.
hahahaha
blame the afl for using names that are misleading whilst hammered.
Getting back to the topic...
Maybe GWS should offer Stephen Coniglio a similar deal that the Brisbane Bears offered Buckley in 1993.
Nathan Buckley almost boycotted the 1993 Draft for the same reason the Coniglio might, but the Bears offered him an interesting (albeit stupid) contract. They offered him to pick him up in the draft, play him for a year and then find him a new home if he chose to leave. He did. The rest is history.
Freo wouldnt mind picking him up that way ;) Him coupled with the mini-draft of picking up the Jaeger Bomb. Then in 2 years time picking up Coniglio's younger brother Jacob (who was one of the best in WA's U-16's game)
Quote from: c4v3m4n on July 11, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
Getting back to the topic...
Maybe GWS should offer Stephen Coniglio a similar deal that the Brisbane Bears offered Buckley in 1993.
Nathan Buckley almost boycotted the 1993 Draft for the same reason the Coniglio might, but the Bears offered him an interesting (albeit stupid) contract. They offered him to pick him up in the draft, play him for a year and then find him a new home if he chose to leave. He did. The rest is history.
That is amusing.
Why woldn'y you just pick someone who wasn't going to leave though :x
Quote from: Sid on July 11, 2011, 03:24:49 PM
Quote from: c4v3m4n on July 11, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
Getting back to the topic...
Maybe GWS should offer Stephen Coniglio a similar deal that the Brisbane Bears offered Buckley in 1993.
Nathan Buckley almost boycotted the 1993 Draft for the same reason the Coniglio might, but the Bears offered him an interesting (albeit stupid) contract. They offered him to pick him up in the draft, play him for a year and then find him a new home if he chose to leave. He did. The rest is history.
That is amusing.
Why woldn'y you just pick someone who wasn't going to leave though :x
agreed, was a desperate move with no future to it from a club that should have been trying to build...