With the new season about to commence it is time to again raise my theory. My team is far from stable at the moment but the starting rucks will include Drew Petrie and Mark Seaby at the moment.
A more detailed writeup will come later
So here is the more detailed writeup.
Basically, two seasons ago I decided to go against conventional thinking and not play Cox at the time as I thought rucks seemed to be a bit more inconsistant than other positions. In doing this I selected rookie rucks straight up. This proved a masterstroke as Cox went on to get injured and I didn't need to waste a trade.
With the extra money I saved in both seasons I have tried this I have had a midfield six that never got traded. 700 points gauranteed without thinking and always having a captain.
This season brings more difficulties into it for two reasons:
1. Gold Coast and the issues that come with them and;
2. New rule about interchange.
The first is a bit easier to deal with than the second. Because of the byes pretty much what I have tried to do is select no more than three players from the same team and tried to have sub coverage in the rounds where there are three teams with byes (for the early rounds only).
The second rule is where more thinking is required. Most teams have said the second ruck is dead (R.I.P.). This will mean the versitile player such as Jarrod Brennan and Tom Hawkins will be more valuable to teams. What this means to me is that more money needs to be spent on rucks as you need them to play and there is only a gauranteed 16 to play each week instead of the roughly 25 in other seasons.
Firstly, I have had a look att he cheap rucks available and pinpointed a few I like. I generally try to aim for rucks under $200k so my initial names are:
Drew Petrie
Mark Seaby
David Hale
Brad Moran
Robert Campbell
Jamie Charman
Rhys Stanley
So seven players to fill my two ground spots.
I initally struck off Robert Campbell due to only being a rookie and Brad Moran due to Adelaide signing Jacobs.
Secondly, you need to look and see how a team will play. North is the most interesting as they have three very good rucks in Petrie, McIntosh and Goldstien. They have indicated early that all three will play but with early season operations to McIntosh at least both Goldstien and Petrie will play. All three are fairly versatile in positioning so makes it more likely all three will play when fit so I am not concerned about that so Petrie goes in.
Jamie Charman is old, injury prone, has younger players in front of him and a Brisbane youth policy that doesn't help his cause. No thanks - but will watch in pre-season.
Mark Seaby is an interesting one. Sydney head-hunted him, got him, started him as number one then he got injured. He was subsquently overtaken by Shane Mumford so where does that leave Seaby? Well I think still as number one with Mumford up forward. I think both players are too good to not play. The loser here will be Mike Pyke who played well at the end of last season but if one of the rucks goes down then a midfielder will come in as Sydney also have pinch-hitting rucks. One to watch but I am confident he will be playing.
David Hale will be my selection if Seaby isn't playing. He is a new signing at Hawthorn so will play and is a ruck which Hawthorn needs so again, will play. Interestingly enough I have Max Bailey as a bench ruck right now but David Hale is a definate player to be looking at but his scoring is a bit on the low side so he is #3 for me.
So now you can see my thinking and why I have gone with Seaby and Petrie. Later on I will add my selected team. As usual, people won't like this way to play, will flame (due to the personalities on this forum), but some will be constructive, some will be helpful and some will post thoughtful comments.
More to come....
Seaby? Even with Mummy there, who was quite good last season. I'd go for Fraser instead.
Still, will be an interesting read and year again.
Quote from: Hellopplz on January 15, 2011, 07:25:01 PM
Seaby? Even with Mummy there, who was quite good last season. I'd go for Fraser instead.
Still, will be an interesting read and year again.
+1 i would a have thought fraser??
also will the mpp with the rucks be worth it next year?
dont listen to them Seaby is a top choice.......................
YOU SPUD!
Once again, Josh Fraser is a much, much better choice than any of the guys you mentioned aside from Petrie and is easily worth the extra $30k or so.
I have come to like the bargain ruck theory, as it is much easier to avoid donuts in the rucks than any other position. However I don't think speculating on someone like Seaby is a good idea, Fraser and Petrie is the only logical choice this year. I personally don't see the point of the "set and forget" ruck combo - surely you wouldn't want the position that is easiest to avoid donuts in to be the strongest starting position in your team?
if your going bargain theory go fraser & petrie your spending under 400 k and both should make cash,
byes straight up mean pick rookie rucks who are going to play atleast the first three then you dont need to worry bout byes till rd 9 & 21.
i am not sold on the idea of going cheap, what do you do if one of your bargain rucks goes down. you have no money to get a better one
Quote from: Chopps on January 16, 2011, 02:26:29 PMi am not sold on the idea of going cheap, what do you do if one of your bargain rucks goes down. you have no money to get a better one
The same issue applies to cheapies in other positions. You pretty much have to start two cheapies in every other position, so I don't see why doing the same in the rucks is a bad idea.
A reason I have steered away from Fraser is due to me having Zac Smith lined up as a bench ruck. Part of this setup is to have all four playing so you need to select bench rucks who are playing. Zac Smith seems like the most likely to get a game to me out of all the new rucks
Now I get why you chose Seaby.... To balance the rucks out. Lets just hope he's accustomed to the Sydney gameplan to have a bigger impact this season.
Quote from: DT87 on January 16, 2011, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: Chopps on January 16, 2011, 02:26:29 PMi am not sold on the idea of going cheap, what do you do if one of your bargain rucks goes down. you have no money to get a better one
The same issue applies to cheapies in other positions. You pretty much have to start two cheapies in every other position, so I don't see why doing the same in the rucks is a bad idea.
you would have more starting bench players in other spots most people will have one on bench (smith) and probably one MPP so i guess you can move petrie in if need be
I don't look specifically for MPP's. I think you could potentially be shooting yourself in the foot.
^ +1, I don't like any MPP strategy involving the rucks. As I've mentioned before, it is the easiest position to avoid donuts, so F/R MPP seems completely unnecessary to me. You wouldn't need to switch a forward into the rucks as cover if you had picked a decent cheap ruckman in your second bench spot instead of an MPP one who doesn't get many games.
I'm willing to pick both Fraser and Smith, though I haven't 100% locked in either of the two yet, mostly because I don't think Smith's job security is as good as most people are assuming. In Round 1 you know your other two rucks will be available to cover for them (as long as you pick a second bench ruck who is starting in Round 1), and I'll make sure that I have traded either Fraser or Smith out before the Round 9 bye. Also, you shouldn't let your bench picks determine your starting picks, it should be vice versa.
who is going to be the 4 th ruck it may be me but i dont normally see people picking a 4th ruck that plays much and if they do play it covers the donut for a very low score. (which is better then nothing i guess)
My bench rucks at the moment are Max Bailey and Zac Smith
Last season I can say Jackson saved me quite a bit later in the season with late withdrawals. Although his scores weren't great half the time, I'd take them over a donut anyday ;).
4th Mock Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by nick1408. Salary cap left: $18,600.
Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Brady Rawlings, Brett Deledio, Jeremy Laidler, Andy Otten, Seb Tape
Jake Batchelor, Ben Jacobs, Paul Puopolo
Dane Swan, Matthew Boyd, Joel Selwood, Andrew Swallow, Shaun Grigg, David Swallow
Nathan Foley, Mitchell Wallis, Joshua Green
Mark Seaby, Drew Petrie
Max Bailey, Zac Smith
Paul Chapman, Ryan O'Keefe, Nick Riewoldt, Mitch Morton, Travis Varcoe, Chris Knights, Isaac Smith
Jack Darling, Andrew Krakouer, Tendai Mzungu
This is where I'm at right now. As you can see my extra money goes straight into my midfield. This is also my fourth attempt at a team this season. I can post the rest, it just involves more than copy and paste so if you do want to see how I got here just ask and I will post.
I am not too keen on captains being in my side. Now that Boyd is leading the dogs I may need to re-think his selection
*Edit*
This is my Boyd-less team at the moment:
5th Mock Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by nick1408. Salary cap left: $13,600.
Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Brady Rawlings, Brett Deledio, Jeremy Laidler, Andy Otten, Seb Tape
Ben Jacobs, Jake Batchelor, Paul Puopolo
Dane Swan, Joel Selwood, Scott Pendlebury, Andrew Swallow, Shaun Grigg, David Swallow
Nathan Foley, Mitchell Wallis, Joshua Green
Drew Petrie, Zac Smith
Max Bailey, Mark Seaby
Paul Chapman, Nick Riewoldt, Mitch Morton, Travis Varcoe, Chris Knights, Andrew Krakouer, Isaac Smith
Jack Darling, Tendai Mzungu, Colin Sylvia
on the bargain rucks topic, would you consider cameroon wood from collingwood? played only 4 games last year but in 2009 played 11 and had an average of 72. and under 200K yes no?
I would, but I don't think he will score high enough. It also limits your Collingwood players in other positions as I am trying to have no more than three players from one team. Also, Wood will have problems getting into the side
4th Mock Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by nick1408. Salary cap left: $12,000.
Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Brady Rawlings, Brett Deledio, Jeremy Laidler, Andy Otten, Ben Jacobs
Peter Faulks, Jake Batchelor, Paul Puopolo
Dane Swan, Leigh Montagna, Joel Selwood, Andrew Swallow, Shaun Grigg, David Swallow
Nathan Foley, Mitchell Wallis, Joshua Green
Mark Seaby, Drew Petrie
Max Bailey, Zac Smith
Paul Chapman, Ryan O'Keefe, Nick Riewoldt, Mitch Morton, Travis Varcoe, Chris Knights, Isaac Smith
Jack Darling, Andrew Krakouer, Luke Tapscott
This is what I have entered so far. The only positions I am really looking at potentially changing are Tapscott, Seaby (depending on pre-season) and Batchelor due to having five tigers.
Right now my bye conflicts are as follows:
Forwards: 3 conflicts in round 5, 3 in 6
Rucks: None
Midfield: 3 in round 4
Defence: None.
Basically, the conflicts are if there are three players with byes in the same round before round 11. Planning for conflicts after then (and much past about round 6) is too hard and also pointless as an injury or form will throw out all planning.
If these conflicts concern me I can move Tapscott and Green out of my side, but it will depend on rookie upgrades and NAB Cup form. These two players will be the first two moved out in any case of change in my side.
As for the round six conflict, I may just ride this one out and hope for the best.
no thought of Trengove from Port? $219k
will get plenty of game time swapping between ruck and the back lines.
Quote from: glam77 on February 04, 2011, 10:41:44 AM
no thought of Trengove from Port? $219k
will get plenty of game time swapping between ruck and the back lines.
He won't be damaging enough around the grounds yet. He needs more time to develop.
To be honest, I did think of him, and I think he will be on the improve. He is another option for the Seaby spot but I would like to see some big pre-season scores before picking him.
Hey Nick
No Sandi???
I was keen on Seaby last yr and had him from the start but not so keen now!! I'll have a cheap/mid-ranger ruck to go with Sandi but now sure who yet.
Good luck with the squad!!
if you going the bargain ruck you need to pick from teams with weak rucks like Hawks and Melbourne
I am keeping an eye on Robert Campbell. He could prove a bargain if Jamar goes down. If not, I can't see him playing.
Hawthorn have Hale and Bailey who are both on the radar (Bailey is on my bench at this point in time)
Quote from: Flame on February 05, 2011, 09:05:10 PM
Hey Nick
No Sandi???
I was keen on Seaby last yr and had him from the start but not so keen now!! I'll have a cheap/mid-ranger ruck to go with Sandi but now sure who yet.
Good luck with the squad!!
I never go for the top ruck. The links below explain why. When Cox was on top I didn't pick him first up either. Even payed off the season he got injured as it hit a lot of teams hard. The points sacrificed are more than made up in the midfield. The problem with rucks is there is only ever one or two 100-raters. Midfielders are dime-a-dozen for 100-110 raters. Rucks are far more inconsistant I feel as well. One week your second ruck may get 70, the next, 30. I would rather a solid 50-55 points each and every week backed up with the spare cash in midfield that an inconsistant ruck who you are not sure what he will score.
All theory though.
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,895.0.html
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,5852.0.html
I know your strategy nick..just stirring..I am looking at Campbell as well..but I will take sandi 100 average any day.
Quote from: nick1408 on February 04, 2011, 04:56:41 PM
To be honest, I did think of him, and I think he will be on the improve. He is another option for the Seaby spot but I would like to see some big pre-season scores before picking him.
Apparently Lobbe and his dislocated shoulder will have him out for up to 10 weeks (so the radio said last nigth)
Leaves Brogan as primary ruck, changing with Trengove off half back.
Quote from: nick1408 on January 16, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
A reason I have steered away from Fraser is due to me having Zac Smith lined up as a bench ruck. Part of this setup is to have all four playing so you need to select bench rucks who are playing. Zac Smith seems like the most likely to get a game to me out of all the new rucks
Fo sure... Zac Smith over Fraser any day of the week this yr
4th Mock Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by nick1408. Salary cap left: $6,800.
Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Jack Grimes, Brett Deledio, Dyson Heppell, Andy Otten, Michael Coad
Brodie Smith, Michael Hibberd, Paul Puopolo
Dane Swan, Leigh Montagna, Joel Selwood, Andrew Swallow, Shaun Grigg, David Swallow
Nathan Foley, Mitchell Wallis, Tendai Mzungu
Mark Seaby, Drew Petrie
Max Bailey, Zac Smith
Paul Chapman, Lance Franklin, Nick Riewoldt, Mitch Morton, Shaun Higgins, Chris Knights, Isaac Smith
Jack Darling, Andrew Krakouer, Ian Callinan
Above is the current team. This week's performances will be the final making of my side I feel.
final makings even with a month to go?
who is your midfield back to swap gibbs, god or lids?
None. I don't buy into needing swap players. I get who I think is the best available in each position. With the byes this year there is already one thing that you need to account for. I think adding in extras will only limit potential
I thought seaby was injured?
Hmm, may be. I thought Mumford was the injured swan.
*Edit* It appears I was correct.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/17/3141855.htm
Mumford injured, Seaby good to go.
nick1408, interesting topic. This is the 1st time I have read this theory and I read 09 and 2010's as well. I came 2nd in 09 and I started with Cox and H.Mac. I loaded my back and foward line more than the mid. From memory my midfield was swan ablett gibbs selwood rich and another rookie who I can't remember. That team scored 2090 1st up in round 1, My team averaged 2192 through out the whole year. I find that if you can lock and put away a poistion away before round 1, do so. And to me, that's always the ruck. Lets face it, at the end of the day....u would want the 2 best rucks in the comp.
The money is and has always been in the midfield. Midfield cash cows will rise in value quicker than cheap rucks. Rucks costing $200k averaging say 50 vs rookies averaging 50 as well. The rookies I think will rise in value more quicker than the rucks when they start to rise. I see it in 2 ways:
1. while ur filling ur mid with premos, what if there is a rookie who will average 80 startight up? I bet u there will be one. u have only 3 rookies to others who will have 5, those who have 5 will have a greater chance in finding a gem.
2. and we have seen many years where premium midfielders drop form i.e. ROK last year and Joel corey the year before. I can even throw in sam fisher. I was able to do a side trade from martin to ROK with the differnce in cash being at 30k. ONE TRADE. how many trade will it take to upgrade a bargain ruck to a premium ruck? at least 2 to 3 depending on how they perform.
thats's how i see it. I have given the theory a lot of considertation and was tempted to go with it. But at the end, I'm sticking with Sandi and Cox and hope that the rookies I have selected will un-earth a gun who averages 80 70 to 80 who will sky rocket in value.
Thank you for taking the time to read all three years worth. I know it is a lot of reading. I honestly see your point of view, but the lock and forget can really be used for any position. I lock and forget the six starting midfielders, leaving the three bench mids as cash cows. While most tend to upgrade their midfield I upgrade the rucks.
I think the same rookie-gun upgrade can be used in any position, so long as the initial setup is correct
you've certainly got me thinking a bit with the strat. I will sleep in it for the next few weeks. I mean with the bargain ruck theory, I can downgrade Sandi to Petrie, use the 200 k elsewhere. Anyways, I remember reading that your not certain on max bailey, nor am I. I'll leave u with this name and hope he will make it on ur bench. Derickx. He did pretty well last week and is a mature age. With Richmond pretty much rebuilding and Angus Graham their #1 ruck, I'm sure this guy will get regular gigs. I will be watching him closely.
I watched Derickx last week in my scope as a fan rather than a DT coach. My concern with Derickx is that he was drafted as a third ruck rather than a second. I feel that Graham will have the first spot nailed down, followed by Vickery, Browne then Derickx.
I may be wrong, but it is the way I see it.
I'm losing faith in Petrie Nick...How do you feel about Graham as a second ruck option!!??
I haven't really looked at Graham. He is a possability as he will lock down a #1 spot but will he rise in value.
Don't lose faith in Petrie yet. He is going to play every game whether in ruck or up forward. I think today he played out of his usual position so I am waiting on NAB challenge reports before dropping him
Well I think I have my team about right. Now just need to wait on the teams to finalise players but besides that I am happy with where I am. I will post my team after the full lockout.
This is where I am at right now:
4th Mock Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by nick1408. Salary cap left: $42,200.
Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Brett Deledio, Jack Grimes, Andrejs Everitt, Michael Hibberd, Paul Puopolo
Nicholas Duigan, Nick Lower, Danny Stanley
Dane Swan, Andrew Swallow, Joel Selwood, Scott Pendlebury, Shaun Grigg, Liam Shiels
Daniel Harris, Claye Beams, Rohan Bewick
Drew Petrie, Lachlan Keeffe
Tyrone Vickery, Zac Smith
Paul Chapman, Lance Franklin, Nick Riewoldt, Mitch Morton, Shaun Higgins, Chris Knights, Andrew Krakouer
Brandon Matera, Cameron Richardson, Jack Darling
So I am now tossing up between getting Dyson Heppell or leaving Michael Hibberd in the side and keeping the $42k. I don't really like money in the bank and would rather have Laidler in the side but I cannot see a viable downgrade either. I would need another $40k to get Laidler.
I guess this is why we play DT!
4th Mock Fanplanner squad in the Dream Team competition coached by nick1408. Salary cap left: $5,000.
Brendon Goddard, Bryce Gibbs, Brett Deledio, Simon Buckley, Jack Grimes, Andrejs Everitt, Nick Duigan
Nick Lower, Danny Stanley, Ryan Lester
Dane Swan, Andrew Swallow, Joel Selwood, Scott Pendlebury, Shaun Grigg, Liam Shiels
Daniel Harris, Tom Liberatore, Rohan Bewick
Drew Petrie, Tyrone Vickery
Zac Smith, Jake Spencer
Paul Chapman, Lance Franklin, Nick Riewoldt, Mitch Morton, Shaun Higgins, Chris Knights, Andrew Krakouer
Brandon Matera, Cameron Richardson, Jack Darling
Side has finished like this after selections
round 1 score??
Only having 11 outright premiums won't do it I don't think. Too much catching up to do.
the cox sandi combo peformed quite well this weekend.
^ understatement of the week :P
gibbs did alright as well, and stantons score was passable.
Well, if we go solely on that final squad, and I allowed trading Chapman for Buddy, Swan as the captain, the score for this team scored around 1840. Only 48 in the rucks, Vickery was the only scorer. Petrie out suspended, 2 Gold Coast rookies.
NOW
The people who went for a boring conventional team :) with Sandi/Cox as the rucks, scored 256 for that combo. An extra 208 points!
Furthermore. Cox/Hille combo 261, Cox/Ryder combo 245, Sandi/Ryder 217 together.
Would have given the team a score of over 2,000, not 1840. pretty satisfactory.
Well that's why it is an experiment!
My rookie mids team scored 2149 which was way higher than I expected as I made it as a joke...
(Fully premium rucks, forwards (with knights) and backline (7th is grimes))
wow good score spite :o would like to see the team in the RMT board ;)
id say he wouldve done some swapping around, just wait hll come back on soon
1923. Very bad round. I had Selwood so that cost, Chapman turned into Goodes late and Spencer turned into Hale. Moving away from Brady Rawlings turns out to being a bad decision too.
I think this week will be bad again as Selwood won't be playing. I almost made Pendlebury into Murphy as well so the extra money would have been a godsend I feel.
Did win every league somehow though so bonus there.
as someone said above there is a reason most people picked Sandi/Cox and there is generally a reason 'uniques' are unique...
i'd rather have a conventional team and score well then a unique team and score poorly....but thats just me
Depends what your going for.
I used an unorthodox midfield strat this year and while my first round score was low 2032 (mainly due to having Palmer, Selwood and Foley) I can see my team really gaining some momentum in 6 weeks or so.
Well, you can scratch Round 6 as a good score for your team. Both Palmer and Selwood have the bye that week, so you lose 2 that round from your midfield, plus any other Freo, Hawk and Cats players you have in your team. e.g. Sandi, Buddy, Chappy, Pav, Rioli, etc.
QuoteDepends what your going for.
Did i mention I'm only going for a league win this year? Got two competitive money leagues going. Plus I see too many headaches gunning for the car this year so decided not to worry to much about it.
I did take a quick look at the multi round byes and I can cover everyone with one emergency every round I believe so I'm not to phased. Should still finish in the top 5000 so thats fine by me. Especially if I take home $1200
I just usually go big money for on field rucks and choose any cheapo tom, di*k and harry as emg.
2114 this week. Happy to bouncwe back but had both Lower and Krakouer on the field. Lost my league game by 3 points but a good score. Petrie and Vickery were rucks. This week it will be Smith and Vickery.
I've made my first trade - Everitt to Suckling. It is a bit of a gamble trade but I feel there is really no downside as either Suckling will average around 70 or he will average 95. Everitt could also do this but I'm not sure he can now. The only gamble here is the one trade I spent to save $70k
Risky trade nick, but I like it all the same. Takes balls and could really pay off. Plus 70k will be handy!
Well as I predicted Everitt turned it on. I am still happy with the trade. The scores though - 1590 with only four players left - Goddard, Grimes, Riewoldt and Selwood. All are capable of tons but I would have liked to be about 200 more points higher at this point. Daniel Harris is the main culprit along with Shaun Grigg.
I apologise about no update last week. I was pretty dirty with 1970 and a heap of 60's and 70's in my team.
This week I have turned it around with a 2122 including a Cameron Richardson 14. I got Nat Fyfe in for Mitch Morton so that has paid off so far. Next week with Geelong, Hawthorn and Fremantle out I will have Goodes, Darling and Matera all in with the possibility of Richardson as well if Krakouer is not selected.
Selwood and Shiels will be covered by Harris and Libba. Depending on how long Bewick is out for will depend on if I trade him or not.
Suckling will be swapped for Grimes but I will need to trade either Buckley or Lesdter out to cover the other hole - or I could take the zero and concerntrate on the league the week after. I guess it depends on if Hibberd comes in for Essendon.
hows the team looking this week with all the outs nick?
Light on, I must admit. I got Hibberd in for Lester and McLauley in for Hale. I am hoping to bring Chapman in next week for Krakouer.
Happy Chappy sounds good Nick 8). Plenty of forwards who are falling a bit.
*Peace Out Pplz.
1660 this week. Only two players over 100 (Krakouer & Deledio). Shockers from everyone else plus a zero. Looking to bounce back next week but with Collingwood having the bye some smart trading may be required.
Ended up bringing in Adcock for Duigan and Wallis for Bewick. I figured my backs were worse off than my forwards at the moment so will look to sure them up first. Next week I will be looking to downgrade someone else and bring in Chapman in a few weeks I think
1850 this week. It is a pretty ugly year for me this year. The only highlight being that the rucks are actually pulling their weight
Z.Smith with Petrie may be the only possible combination of ruck this year that would come close to the cox/sandi value. It's upsetting that cox and sandi have been so dominant this year so far, that everyone will dismiss your theory straight away. It is a good theory, but this is just not it's year. Maybe in two seasons time when sandi and cox are getting closer to old age.
I have traded Harris out this week for Ben Jacobs and Richardson has gone out for Nahas. I have kept Grimes so I can trade him out next week for one of the other Carlton backs.
Must say I am pretty happy with the rucks. It really paid off and I feel if there were no byes my team would be much, much stronger with this setup.
2276 this week. Pretty happy with that but Goddard, Lower and Petrie really let me down. I think Lower would be on his way out this week but it will depend on what I do with Grimes.
*Edit* Just saw I was 58 off top score this week leaving me in 8th for the week. Damn you Goddard!
2264. Had Higgins bugger me plus traded Lower for Shaw and Swan captain even though I considered Selwood. Cost myself about 100 points I feel.
Team is starting to look pretty good I must say - and with sandi out, thats a big win for you!
Trading higgins this week?
What about, kark > J.Tippet and Vickery to Cox sometime in the near future to allow Petrie to be ruck and forward cover?
hows your ranking going?
Yeah, looking at getting rid of Higgins for probably Sylvia. Grigg is also close to leaving my team. Vickery only has a 16 BE so will hold on for a couple more weeks. I am thinking Higgins can go this week, Grigg in a couple of weeks for anyone averaging over 100, Vickery later on for Cox, Selwood in round 23 for another 100-rater and the rest is a week-by-week prospect.
Grigg to A.Swallow (351k, nice run left) or Hodge possibly? Even bartel is cheap at the moment and mitchell/pendles are falling fast.
Wait to see if higgins is playing...
I already have Andrew Swallow and Scott Pendlebury. I will hold Grigg for the week at least as the tigers run into the bye after Port this week. Sam Mitchell appears to be the most likely to me.
No changes this week. I decided that as all my cheapies should meet their BE's I will hold the trades for an extra week and bring in Mitchell next week for Grigg.
2110 this week. Making Selwood captain over Swan paid off. Higgins will definately be gone this week unless he gets dropped. Libba will be making room for someone and the upgrade cash will be used on Sylvia I think followed by Grigg out for someone next week after Richmond's bye. If another youth tops out in price I may be looking at Marc Murphy.
Well I ended up keeping Higgins for another week as I have gotten Tendai in for Matera and Michael Evans in for Libba. This gives me $345k for next week to sort out Higgins and someone else.
1997 this week. Lost Franklin and Buckley to late changes. Two big names will be in this week I think, just not sure who.
Some big trades this week. Stevie J for Darling and Sam Mitchell for Grigg. The Grigg trade I thought twice about as it will potentially leave me short in the midfield if there is a late withdrawl.
My plan forward is to get Boyd next week for Wallis and the week after to try and get an in form back to replace Stanley. My downgrades will be Krakouer and Buckley. I plan on keeping Higgins now in the forward line as the rotating 8th forward, Puopolo and Jacobs in the backline, Vickery in the rucks and I will have seven mids all averaging over 100 very soon.
After these trades I will have 6 trades left and still not gotten in Cox or Sandilands. The beauty is that having Petrie, Vickery and Smith in the rucks means I have three rucks all playing. Even when/if I bring in the two big boys I will still have two trades in the downgrade/upgrade trading.
I am currently coming 5111 but I think I will be jumping quite a few spots in the next few rounds.
I traded in ablett to finish my league.
Looking good nick 8). Nice ins as both look in form.
6 trades left with the Rucks without any sorted premium could be risky come finals time :-\. Lets hope Petrie/Smith/Vickery can keep it up though to make sure you don't need one anytime soon :).
*Peace Out Pplz.
2023 this week but the short term now looks dangerous. I have three midfielders out this week meaning that bringing in Boyd is a must. It will mean that Danny Stanley will be leaving as Krakouer is not high enough in price just yet.
2113 this week. I really panicked when Selwood got suspended as going in I thought I had Swan, Pendlebury, Shaw, Krakouer, Selwood, Hibberd (as he was a late selection), Adcock and Smith all out. After Evans was left out I really panicked. Luckily Hibberd was named on the field and Jacobs held onto his spot with Port. I traded Selwood out for Murphy, which leaves me in the same spot coming into finals so no issues, Vickery covered Smith with a 104 and Hawthorn picking Issac Smith was a blessing as I rolled the ball and dropped Wallis for him. His 99 paid off and with Boyd dropping in price I can swap him into the forward line and trade Krakouer for Boyd in the coming weeks. I also have eight trades left so will be cutting it fine but am still quietly confident my team should be very strong coming into finals. I have a feeling that the rucks may not be changing though. I am not too concerned as Petrie has been holding his own so I think I could get away with only trading one of Sandilands or Cox in if required.
Quote from: nick1408 on June 19, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
2113 this week. I really panicked when Selwood got suspended as going in I thought I had Swan, Pendlebury, Shaw, Krakouer, Selwood, Hibberd (as he was a late selection), Adcock and Smith all out. After Evans was left out I really panicked. Luckily Hibberd was named on the field and Jacobs held onto his spot with Port. I traded Selwood out for Murphy, which leaves me in the same spot coming into finals so no issues, Vickery covered Smith with a 104 and Hawthorn picking Issac Smith was a blessing as I rolled the ball and dropped Wallis for him. His 99 paid off and with Boyd dropping in price I can swap him into the forward line and trade Krakouer for Boyd in the coming weeks. I also have eight trades left so will be cutting it fine but am still quietly confident my team should be very strong coming into finals. I have a feeling that the rucks may not be changing though. I am not too concerned as Petrie has been holding his own so I think I could get away with only trading one of Sandilands or Cox in if required.
Great job! Big ranking change for you this week! Let me know how far you increase your ranking!!!
up 2985 positions to 2187.
Oh, I also docked myself 4 points, it was actually 2117 I scored
Big changes this week. Moved Buckley into midfield so I could trade him for Ian Callinan (to get the most cash), then traded Krakouer for Boyd. Midfield now has Murphy, Boyd, Swan, Pendlebury, Mitchell, Shiels with Andrew Swallow my emergency.
I have six trades and $134,500 left to play with. I am thinking I will need to upgrade at least one back, possibly two and one ruck maybe.
Quite the strong midfield you've built up with Swallow benched :o.
*Peace Out Pplz.
Monster team now nick, I see you have higgins as D8 (or knights) and A.Swallow as M7
If you can upgrade stanley to a premium mid for around 50k, you will be close to be able to getting Smith to cox/sandi after their byes leaving you with 4 trades and an extremely solid team.
Great effort, hope you smash it this round!!!!
Spite, you have read my mind. Right now I am looking at turning Stanley into Broughton then downgrade Vickery to upgrade Smith into Cox and keep Petrie for the season.
The other option is to downgrade Hibberd, change Stanley into Broughton and upgrade Smith into Cox leavung me with Vickery on the bench.
personally, I like option two better as it leaves me with more options later down the track.
2196. Lost about 40 points by choosing Hibberd over Jacobs but won out with Mzungo missing as I had Issac Smith as emergency.
I am interested to see if I went up in rankings again as I think all the people who had Enrigt will beat me.
Quote from: nick1408 on June 26, 2011, 08:35:38 PM
2196. Lost about 40 points by choosing Hibberd over Jacobs but won out with Mzungo missing as I had Issac Smith as emergency.
I am interested to see if I went up in rankings again as I think all the people who had Enrigt will beat me.
I lost 40 points too with that choice. Smith was handy this week. I had enright and beat you by 3 points.
You have built a great team nick.
only one change this week - Hibberd for Broughton. Looking to get Sylvia next week for Knights and then Cox in a few weeks when he bottoms out. May need to trade Lobbe in next week to facilitate. That will be all my trades done then.
Decent score this week - 2258. With the likelyhood of Smith being out Lobbe will come in and I am thinking of swapping Evans for Fasulo as well. Not too sure about the second but it is a thought.
Quote from: nick1408 on April 08, 2011, 04:03:15 PM
I've made my first trade - Everitt to Suckling. It is a bit of a gamble trade but I feel there is really no downside as either Suckling will average around 70 or he will average 95. Everitt could also do this but I'm not sure he can now. The only gamble here is the one trade I spent to save $70k
if only we all had your psychic skills
Quote from: The FARK Academy on July 04, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
Quote from: nick1408 on April 08, 2011, 04:03:15 PM
I've made my first trade - Everitt to Suckling. It is a bit of a gamble trade but I feel there is really no downside as either Suckling will average around 70 or he will average 95. Everitt could also do this but I'm not sure he can now. The only gamble here is the one trade I spent to save $70k
if only we all had your psychic skills
So any tips on who will win the Premiership nick? :P.
Nice score this round. I was hoping Fasolo would play as he'd give me a downgrade option. But his JS isn't great and what we need now is cover who will play :-\. Add to that it's a rookie sideways with Evans not gaining alot. It's risky I'd give you that but could pay off like the above trade :P.
*Peace Out Pplz.
Suckling wasn't too bad but I feel my best pick for the year was Shiels in the original 33 players selected.
I jumped on Hale a few weeks ago to compliment Petrie's DPP, pretty happy with him so far :)
Couple of small changes this week - O'Keefe and Lobbe in, Knights and Smith out. 3 trades left.
2228 this week. I am happy with that. It will be interesting to see how much the overall increase is.
Another great score nick! Smashed into 764th... Keep the damage coming!
Big score this week :o. Nice week and great jump 8). Top 1k surely means your Bargain Ruck Theory is pretty good idea to think about future years if enough cheap rucks to choose from.
*Peace Out Pplz.
Remember next year will have McIntosh - plus he will be at a new club possibly. I would still leave Mark Blake alone though.
How many games has Sandi played? Will he qualify for a discount?
Quote from: nick1408 on July 11, 2011, 08:22:07 AM
Remember next year will have McIntosh - plus he will be at a new club possibly. I would still leave Mark Blake alone though.
How many games has Sandi played? Will he qualify for a discount?
We won't need much of a cheap back-up ruckman as there are no bye.
No wait, they'll become less important than this year.
I don't think Sandi will get a discount.
If sandi doesn't play any more games this season he will get a discount assuming it is the same rules as last year. However with extended rounds (I know there are the same number of games played), they may make the discount for 10-11 or less games rather than 9 or less like this year. I think 2 years ago it was 12 or less games gave a 20% discount.
How many has Sandi played so far? Isn't he predicted to play 3 more as well. it would be nice to see a discount, but it's also unlikely.
Quote from: nick1408 on July 11, 2011, 08:22:07 AM
Remember next year will have McIntosh - plus he will be at a new club possibly. I would still leave Mark Blake alone though.
How many games has Sandi played? Will he qualify for a discount?
HMac looks good and maybe even Bellchambers if he can crack the squad (as he's certainly good enough to). Lets hope the GWS Ruck situation is similar to the Zac Smith one :P. That would make our lives much easier.
*Peace Out Pplz.
Quote from: PowerBug on July 11, 2011, 03:23:37 PM
How many has Sandi played so far? Isn't he predicted to play 3 more as well. it would be nice to see a discount, but it's also unlikely.
He has played 9. It is unlikely but possible.
Jonathan Giles will be the Zac Smith for GWS. I don't think he will be as prolific though as I don't think he has the same ability to go forward.
I think the key will be McIntosh and whichever ruck Geelong trades away. I have a feeling that Nathan Vardy will be finding a new home somewhere so will be worth a good look next season.
Thinking of a
Hmac & Giles combo.
Would set me back only 350k probably.
Really want cox and krooz though.
2221 this week. Wasn't expecting much over 2000 without my Hawthorn players and Heath Shaw being stupid.
This is the week I need to get Cox. He has bottomed out but I need to downgrade someone to get him. Along with Shaw this will be all my trades done then.
Shaw is an interesting one as no-one at his price scores like he does. I am thinking of possibly holding him a little longer and pick someone on form later on. Brady Rawlings is on my radar right now but I am hoping whoever I downgrade (most probably Puopolo) gives me enough to trade for a top-liner. The other option is to downgrade shaw and upgrade one of the other backs later on when they top out but I feel Puopolo is close now.
Damn Shaw!!!
Watch Ellis, may have hit some good form. Shaw to Ellis will net you an easy 50k. Good job though, hopefully you hold your spot :)
I should. The previous three weeks have all been over 2200 so would be suprised if I lost ground.
*Edit* Consider me suprised. I lost 25 spots.
I feel your pain with Shaw. Can't get anybody I like in DT unless I downgrade but lack of trades. Thinking of holding onto him as well as his replacement (Lower ;D) could serve me well. But just that lack of options at his price is a killer :(.
That's some consistency you've got past month or so ;).
*Peace Out Pplz.
Shaw has become Talia and Vickery is now Cox. In a couple of weeks I will use my last trade on Puopolo to whoever the highest averaging defender is. I have $186,900 in the bank so price won't be an issue but I will probably hold the last trade until the end just in case there is another "Shaw debacle", but honestly, I don't even think that will be an issue. Decide for yourself but I think my 22 starting players and 11 bench players can cover any "Shaws" anyway:
Backs:
Gibbs
Deledio
Goddard
Broughton
Stanley
Adcock
Puopolo
Mids:
Murphy
Boyd
Mitchell
Shiels
Swan
Pendlebury
Ruck:
Cox
Petrie
Forwards:
Higgins
Franklin
Fyfe
Nahas
Goodes
O'Keefe
S. Johnson
Bench:
Suckling
Talia
B. Jacobs
A. Swallow
Mzungu
M. Evans
Lobbe
McCauley
N. Riewoldt
I. Smith
Callinan
So, I feel strong backups in all positions already but defence I think can do with the upgrade. Not sure who yet but time is on my side.
2516 this week. Only bad score was Puopolo's 45. Besides that nothing below 80. It looks like there were a lot of scores over 2500 this week so not expecting too much.
Quote from: nick1408 on July 24, 2011, 08:26:22 PM
2516 this week. Only bad score was Puopolo's 45. Besides that nothing below 80. It looks like there were a lot of scores over 2500 this week so not expecting too much.
Dude, there were a few, not a lot over 2500. Awesome score, a nice jump in the ranking for you!
Puopolo is now Stefan Martin and all my trades are done. I am taking a hit this week with two zeroes because of Higgins and Nick Riewoldt. I have no chance of holding my 502 ranking but am hoping in the coming weeks I can build it back up and keep charging forward.
Gutsy move but makes those last few weeks all the more exciting and tense :o. Going to be hard to keep assaulting the overall but lets hope for no more injury/suspension drama :D. I'm hoping I don't have to burn more trades :P.
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It was faqr more beneficial to upgrade a back than a forward in light of Higgins' injury. I still had Riewoldt to cover the forwards as well as Mzungu and Issac Smith whereas the backs only had Jacobs, Puopolo and Tahlia. If I can get around 1950 this week I will be happy then it will be back to regular DT'ing for the rest of the year and hopefully I can climb back then
Well I am 2201 going into the last match with Talia to add to that. I got lucky that there were two 171's, three scores over 144 and eleven scores over 100 overall. I am very happy with this since I had two zeroes and pretty much all my reserves playing. I am confident I will still drop in overall ranking but 2200+ with only 20 players makes me very happy.
*Edit* 2256 after Talia's subbing. I am really happy about that but early reports say there is a lot of people with socres bigger than mine so my 502 ranking will fall considerably I feel. Now after this round I think I am right for the rest of the season. Shiels seems to have tired so Swallow will come back onto the field for the week after next. Boyd has the bye next week so I will still need Shiels on the ground. Hopefully Higgins is good to go then as well but there are a few reports he is done for the season.
I can't repeat what I said when I saw I dropped to 1157 but rest assured it wasn't from happy surprise. I thought I may hold onto a top-1000 position but unluckily not. In the next few weeks I will try to build back to where I was but I won't be holding my breath.
Quote from: nick1408 on July 31, 2011, 10:35:32 PM
I can't repeat what I said when I saw I dropped to 1157 but rest assured it wasn't from happy surprise. I thought I may hold onto a top-1000 position but unluckily not. In the next few weeks I will try to build back to where I was but I won't be holding my breath.
Ouch, pretty disappointing. I am sure you can make some of it back up and finish top 1k!!!!!!!!
2203. Good score but it was due to individual scores rather than a team effort. Deledio, Swan, Johnson and Goodes scored highly enough to suppliment the poor scors from Nahas, Cox and pretty much the rest of the team.
I am interested to see now if I go up or down in the overall ratings.
2330 today. Pretty happy to be consistant. Averaging 2123.3 for the season so I feel I am having a pretty good season with Bargain Ruck this year.
Great score as many found it to be a good scoring week.
Made any progress getting back into top 1k nick? I barely moved up at 6,500 so guessing not much luck up front :P.
*Peace Out Pplz.
I'm at 1192 right now. Hoping to gain the spots in the next few weeks.
2042 this week. Just snuck accross the 2000+ line. Will drop huge in overall but so be it. I have had a good season thus far and really didn't expect to do this well.
maybe needed a cox/mumford/leuenberger/jacobs in the rucks to boost your score ;)
I had Cox and Petrie. Could have boosed it with Lobbe who was on my bench but why would I pick Lobbe ahead of Petrie? Dropped 300ish spots to 1500ish.
Quote from: nick1408 on August 21, 2011, 11:29:12 PM
I had Cox and Petrie. Could have boosed it with Lobbe who was on my bench but why would I pick Lobbe ahead of Petrie? Dropped 300ish spots to 1500ish.
yeah just playin around mate, petrie and cox is a good ruck combo
just like i could have played harper over rko but that'd be stupid
2116 this week. Pretty happy with that. Should host on to my overall position and into a grand final in my league.
2152 this week and lost my grand final by 43 points. My mistake was to replace Martin with Stanley on the field. The biggest thing that cost me though was the 'dogs using Higgins as the sub. That really cost me dearly. Finished 2013 for the season. A bit of a dropoff from mid-season but a good season I feel.
2k is pretty good if you ask me (the guy who fell 3k places this week :-X). Another fine year for the Theory though proving it of good use.
I have been a fan of this theory for the last couple of season but next season, I just don't see it as a viable strategy.
There will be, Cox, sandi, leunberger, mumford, petrie, mcevoy, goldstein and possibly jacobs all pumping out 100's week in week out. You will fall too far behind the 8 ball if you don't start with at least one of these early on I would think. Maybe Giles and MacIntosh as starting rucks, but that risk just doesn't seem worth it next year.
nah we need gun rucks to start with next year and sandilands is out of contention IMO
The rucks is the one position i plan to complete as early as possible. Start with two premium ruckmen, fill in the two bench spots with either 2 rookies or a DPP. That's what i did this year and that's what i'll be doing every time. Don't waste time and trades on your rucks, get them sorted as early as possible.
totally agree...was the one position this year that caused no pain at all, and will be doing the same next year if at all possible.
2 premo's 2 rookies, one of which needs to play (GWS thank you) and 4th as mpp hopefully.
certainly don't want to be wasting any trades in this area ..
I wont be doing 2 premos I think in the ruck line. I had sandi cox this year, and sandis injury was a pain in the ass. I'd prefer a rook or mid pricer, who, if they et injured I'll have no qualms about trading.
you have to deal with LTI's everywhere Sandi's was a pain in the arse if you tried to ride out the initial 4 weeks
^ I carried sandi for the whole year :P
Quote from: Ziplock on October 27, 2011, 10:52:25 PM
^ I carried sandi for the whole year :P
Wow. I lost him after like round 15ish. Got Lobbe, then went to Mummy. :)
I didn't care, so long as he was back for dt finals :P
I was going to trade him to mcevoy, but by the time I heard of the extent of his injury (i.e longer than 4 weeks) I was 2000 short of mcevoy :(