everyone post what u reckon the ladder will end up nxt yr so then we can come up with a final FanFooty 2011 Ladder Prediction by Jan next yr and then we'll compare it to what really turns out and see how pro we are or how much of a dud we r :P !!
started by Luigi (:
bit early due to the draft not being done so might have to update mine but for now.
1. Collingwood
2. Western Bulldogs
3. Fremantle
4. St. Kilda
5. Hawthorn
6. Carlton
7. Melbourne
8. Geelong
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9. Sydney
10. North Melbourne
11. Port Adelaide
12. Gold Coast
13. Adelaide
14. Richmond
15. Brisbane
16. West Coast
17. Essendon
Bombers wooden spot?
Hope your kidding. That honour will go to Gold Coast.
Quote from: supercoach addict on October 20, 2010, 09:24:13 PM
Bombers wooden spot?
Hope your kidding. That honour will go to Gold Coast.
Nah i reckon the Bombers will finish spooners they need to get a lot of good players out of this draft, GC i think will have a pretty good team on them.
Collingwood
Geelong
Hawthorn
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Adelaide
Sydney
Fremantle
Carlton
Melbourne
Richmond
North Melbourne
Port Adelaide
Essendon
Gold Coast
West Coast
Brisbane
1. Collingwood
2. Fremantle
3. St. Kilda
4. North Melbourne
5. Geelong
6. Adelaide
7. Melbourne
8. Sydney
9. Western Bulldogs
10. Hawthorn
11. Richmond
12. Carlton
13. Port Adelaide
14. West Coast
15. Essendon
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane
Sad year for Queenslanders
I also reserve the right to change my ladder until we decide to merge them all! Great idea btw
1. Collingwood
2. St.Kilda
3. Hawthorn
4. Adelaide
5. Geelong
6. Feemantle
7. Melbourne
8. North Melbourne
9. Western Bulldogs
10. Port Adelaide
11. Sydney
12. Carlton
13. Richmond
14. West Coast
15. Essendon
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane
I agree with your bottom four Ossie.
My main movers are Hawthorn, Adelaide, Melbourne & North improving, with the Bulldogs, Sydney, Carlton.
Despite the inevitable hype I doubt Richmond will improve much.
Very similar to mine Cruise! Though I don't rate Hawthorn anymore.
A lot is said about the young lists of Richmond, Melbourne and North - but they won't all make the finals next year
1. St Kilda
2. Collingwood
3. Hawthorn
4. Western Bulldogs
5. Geelong
6. Fremantle
7. Adelaide
8. Melbourne
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9. North Melbourne
10. Sydney
11. Essendon
12. Carlton
13. Port Adelaide
14. Richmond
15. West Coast
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane
I just can't put the Pies on top.... Anyway, it's about time the Saints won something!!
Hawthorn, the main threat for me.
Ossie I agree but North top 4 is a bit keen. I know there is some upside with Petrie, Anthony, Ziebell etc but top four?
Hawthorn have a lot riding on the David Hale experiment, probably too much riding on a player with his recent lack of heart.
I try to get at least one huge upset in my top 4 (as you can imagine that failed dismally this year). I like North as a team
1. Collingwood (but losing the GF :P)
2. Fremantle
3. Geelong
4. Carlton
5. St Kilda
6. Hawthorn.
7. Adelaide
8. North Melbourne
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9. Western Bulldogs
10. Richmond
11. Sydney
12. Melbourne
13. Essendon
14. Port Adelaide
15. Gold Coast
16. Brisbane
17. West Coast.
Western Bulldogs my bold choice. Dropping out of the 8 after losing 7 straight prelims ;D
Carlton top 4? How? What? With who?
And Fremantle 2nd? Alex, have you gone mad?
I disagree Fletch. Only incredibly astute, clever and seasoned predictors would pick Freo as 2nd. Well done Alex!
ok thnx for the replies everyone and i think that i can say that Gold Coast are a firm favourite for bottom 8 finish and Collingwood and StKilda are firm favourites for top 4 finish no doubt.
ok now everyone post who they reckon will
a) get Wooden Spoon
b) win Premiership
c) win NAB Cup
d) be most improved
Wooden Spoon- Essendon
Win premiership- Hawks
Win Nab cup- Fremantle
Most improved- Melbourne
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Brownlow- J.Selwood/M.Barlow
Most improved player- M.Hurley
Quote from: MTTY on October 28, 2010, 08:25:19 PM
Wooden Spoon- Essendon
Win premiership- Hawks
Win Nab cup- Fremantle
Most improved- Melbourne
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Brownlow- J.Selwood/M.Barlow
Most improved player- M.Hurley
no byist opinions btw... just incase :P
Quote from: Luigi197 on October 28, 2010, 08:29:14 PM
Quote from: MTTY on October 28, 2010, 08:25:19 PM
Wooden Spoon- Essendon
Win premiership- Hawks
Win Nab cup- Fremantle
Most improved- Melbourne
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Brownlow- J.Selwood/M.Barlow
Most improved player- M.Hurley
no byist opinions btw... just incase :P
Na not from me i support Melbourne
My reasoning-
Wooden Spoon- New coach no experience will take some time to get his game plan to adapt.
Win Premiership- I just feel an upset in the finals will happen Franklin and Rioli will regain thier form, and dominate the finals.
Win Nab cup- Just think with the draw they got they should advance and if they get home games they could win.
Most Improved- We all know they are on the up.
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Brownlow-
Barlow- If he had played the full season last year in the way he did in the first 13 rounds he would have been close to winning it.
Selwood- With no Ablett to get the votes i think most will go to him which would put him up there with a good cahnce hes an awesome player.
Most improved- Even though i think Essendon will fail i think Hird will play Hurley back where he belongs at CHF, i think Hurley will then go on to get the most goals for Essendon and possibly take out the best and fairest
Quote from: MTTY on October 28, 2010, 08:25:19 PM
Wooden Spoon- Essendon
Win premiership- Hawks
Win Nab cup- Fremantle
Most improved- Melbourne
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Brownlow- J.Selwood/M.Barlow
Most improved player- M.Hurley
MTTY i think i love u picked the hawks for the premiers for the flag and essendon for the spoon ;D :-*
Quote from: hawka26 on October 28, 2010, 08:41:20 PM
Quote from: MTTY on October 28, 2010, 08:25:19 PM
Wooden Spoon- Essendon
Win premiership- Hawks
Win Nab cup- Fremantle
Most improved- Melbourne
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Brownlow- J.Selwood/M.Barlow
Most improved player- M.Hurley
MTTY i think i love u picked the hawks for the premiers for the flag and essendon for the spoon ;D :-*
I second this sentiment. Can maybe see Adelaide being most improved but it should be a close race.
I still can't believe anyone would overlook GC for the spoon, Ablett or not, they are gonna have a very tough time to start.
1. Collingwood
2. St.Kilda
3. Hawthorn
4 Geelong
5. Freo
6.Doggies
7. Sydney- They haven't done anything to deserve to be down the bottom..
8. Melbourne
9. Carlton
10. North Melbourne
11 Adelaide
12 Essendon
13. Port Adelaide
14. Richmond
15.West Coast
16. Brisbane
17. GC
Spoon: Brisbane (just ahead of GC)
Premiers: Collingwood
NAB: Carlton
Most improved: North Melbourne
hmm il think of my ladder while at scool and post it 2nite and medalist and all
Spoon>>> WC Eagles.
Premiers>> Bulldogs.
NAB>> Adelaide (Shudders)
Most Improved>> Power (Primus gets them back on track?)
Brownlow>> J Selwood.
Coleman>> J Riewoldt.
From all the Where will (Team X) finish in 2011? polls posted in the various team boards comes some very interesting results.
So far 226 votes have been polled in the various team boards on this topic.
Only 6 teams have a chance to be premier - St. Kilda (3 votes), Nth Melb (3), Collingwood (2), Gold Coast (2), Essendon (1) and West Coast (1).
Verdict - Only Collingwood and St. Kilda can be considered.
Only 6 teams have NO chance of the wooden spoon - Essendon, Melbourne, Nth Melb, Richmond, St. Kilda and Sydney.
Verdict - Only St. Kilda and Sydney have NO chance.
Only 6 people think Brisbane will win the wooden spoon.
Verdict - Agreed, this was the highest number of votes given for the wooden spooner.
Top four - St. Kilda (11), Collingwood (8), Geelong (7), Fremantle (5), Hawthorn (5), Western Bulldogs (2), Carlton (1), Melbourne (1), Sydney (1)
Verdict - St. Kilda, Collingwood, Geelong, based on votes and Fremantle over Hawks based on last year form.
Gold Coast (12), Port Adelaide (12) and West Coast (11) were the three clear favourites to finish in the bottom nine.
Verdict - The ladder may look a little like this......based on votes and preferences (the preferences being that the higher placing will be awarded to the team with more positional votes):P
1. St. Kilda
2. Collingwood
3. Geelong
4. Fremantle
5. Hawthorn
6. Carlton
7. Adelaide
8. Western Bulldogs
9. Sydney
10. Nth. Melb
11. Melbourne
12. Gold Coast
13. Port Adelaide
14. Essendon
15. Richmond
16. West Coast
17. Brisbane
Where will GWS fit in 2012 ???
You saying COLLINGWOOD is a chance for the spoon?!
Nice work though :)
bump.
i think that carlton may move up the ladder
Wooden Spoon- GC or Brisbane
Win premiership- Cats of course
Win Nab cup- Who cares
Most improved- Melbourne/Carlton/North Ballarat
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Brownlow- J.Selwood/Swan/Judd
Most improved player- T.Cotchin
1. collingwood
2. stkilda
3. hawthorn
4. sydney
5. carlton
6.geelong
7.wb
8. fremantle
9.north melbourne
10.adelaide
11.melbourne
12.brisbane
13.richmond
14.west coast
15.port adelaide
16.gold coast
17. essendon
Wooden Spoon- r Brisbane
Win premiership- Hawks or Freo
Win Nab cup- Who cares
Most improved- Melbourne/freo
1. Collingwood
2. St Kilda
3. Fremantle
4. Hawks
5. Carlton
6. WB
7. Geelong
8. Sydney
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9. Gold Coast
10. Melbourne
11. Brisbane Lions
12. Adelaide
13. Essendon
14. Kangaroos
15. Port Adelaide
16. West Coast
17. Richmond
Quote from: McRooster on November 04, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
From all the Where will (Team X) finish in 2011? polls posted in the various team boards comes some very interesting results.
So far 226 votes have been polled in the various team boards on this topic.
Only 6 teams have a chance to be premier - St. Kilda (3 votes), Nth Melb (3), Collingwood (2), Gold Coast (2), Essendon (1) and West Coast (1).
Verdict - Only Collingwood and St. Kilda can be considered.
Only 6 teams have NO chance of the wooden spoon - Essendon, Melbourne, Nth Melb, Richmond, St. Kilda and Sydney.
Verdict - Only St. Kilda and Sydney have NO chance.
Only 6 people think Brisbane will win the wooden spoon.
Verdict - Agreed, this was the highest number of votes given for the wooden spooner.
Top four - St. Kilda (11), Collingwood (8), Geelong (7), Fremantle (5), Hawthorn (5), Western Bulldogs (2), Carlton (1), Melbourne (1), Sydney (1)
Verdict - St. Kilda, Collingwood, Geelong, based on votes and Fremantle over Hawks based on last year form.
Gold Coast (12), Port Adelaide (12) and West Coast (11) were the three clear favourites to finish in the bottom nine.
Verdict - The ladder may look a little like this......based on votes and preferences (the preferences being that the higher placing will be awarded to the team with more positional votes):P
1. St. Kilda
2. Collingwood
3. Geelong
4. Fremantle
5. Hawthorn
6. Carlton
7. Adelaide
8. Western Bulldogs
9. Sydney
10. Nth. Melb
11. Melbourne
12. Gold Coast
13. Port Adelaide
14. Essendon
15. Richmond
16. West Coast
17. Brisbane
Where will GWS fit in 2012 ???
good stuff rooster!!
wow.. good to see everyone ranking the saints pretty highly :P
i actually cant see us in 1st or 2nd probs from 3-6 range
and i reckon gold coast will finish 13-17
cruiseon fletch and ossie are all kidding themselves.
carlton 12th? i realise you may hate the team, but luigi clearly said dont be biased or prejudiced in any way.
Just how do you think carlton will finish 4 spots BELOW next year?
Quote from: Junktimer on November 30, 2010, 07:54:17 PM
cruiseon fletch and ossie are all kidding themselves.
carlton 12th? i realise you may hate the team, but luigi clearly said dont be biased or prejudiced in any way.
Just how do you think carlton will finish 4 spots BELOW next year?
Carlton has only a couple points of failure. You rely on a few to carry to many. One or two injuries and you will plummet down the ladder.
Personally don't see them making finals. Just don't see much scope for improvement with the current list.
yeah and hawthorn's depth showed during the elimination final.
I agree. Our top 10 players are probably collectively the best top 10 of any club however a number of them aren't consistent enough and out next 8 or so have become very complacent since 2008. The last 4 are just story after story of first round picks with so much potential just not getting there.
The difference is out best players can play better where as Carlton's best seem to be playing at capacity. Hence the scope for improvement existing with the Hawks list where as Carlton is lacking.
1 St Kilda
2 Collingwood
3 Hawks
4 Adelaide
5 Geelong
6 Freo
7 Sydney
8 Bulldogs
9 Port
10 Melbourne
11 Carlton
12 Nth Melb
13 Richmond
14 Essendon
15 Gold Coast
16 Brisbane
17 West Coast
Quote from: Junktimer on November 30, 2010, 07:54:17 PM
cruiseon fletch and ossie are all kidding themselves.
carlton 12th? i realise you may hate the team, but luigi clearly said dont be biased or prejudiced in any way.
Just how do you think carlton will finish 4 spots BELOW next year?
Hawk summed it up JT, what would happen if Judd went down? Carlton is a team full of a few stars, not a star team. Too much reliance on too little!!
Not being biased, I've had Carlton in my top 4 a few times in the last couple of years. And they've failed me miserably (in a really good way lol).
Carlton's second half of 2010 was poor. They do not have a solid defensive or offensive unit. The other current 7 top 8 teams I think are better than Carlton. Melbourne, Richmond, North Melbourne are improving. And all three have better all-round teams.
ossie i will bet ANYTHING that richmond will not finish above carlton next year. i mean come on, do you really think that will happen? one of the most ridiculous calls ive seen.
if carlton move in anyway next year, it will be up.
Quote from: Junktimer on December 01, 2010, 10:39:02 PM
if carlton move in anyway next year, it will be up.
Why though? What has changed? Beyond simple fan bias I can't see a basis for that statement.
Quote from: Junktimer on December 01, 2010, 10:39:02 PM
ossie i will bet ANYTHING that richmond will not finish above carlton next year. i mean come on, do you really think that will happen? one of the most ridiculous calls ive seen.
Richmond's youngsters are far superior to Carlton's.
I'll take that bet :) You give me 50% of all income earnt from now on, your first born, your soul and all derivatives thereof if Richmond finish above Carlton, and I'll give you 5 cents if Carlton finish above Richmond.
.... You did say anything :)
Oh, and....
The Last 11 Rounds of the season saw....
Collingwood win 9.5 matches
Geelong win 8 matches
Sydney win 8 matches
Bulldogs win 8 matches
Hawthorn win 7.5 matches
St. Kilda win 7.5 matches
Adelaide win 6 matches
North Melbourne win 6 matches
Fremantle win 5 matches
Port Adelaide win 5 matches
Richmond win 5 matches
Melbourne win 4.5 matches
Carlton win 4 matchesBrisbane win 2 matches
Essendon win 2 matches
West Coast win 1 match
So Carlton came 13th in the last half of 2010 - ahead of only bottom 4 sides Brisbane, Essendon and West Coast - and BEHIND the club that you say can't finish above you.
.... Yeah. Ridiculous prediction :)
Quote from: ossie85 on December 02, 2010, 07:25:40 AM
Quote from: Junktimer on December 01, 2010, 10:39:02 PM
ossie i will bet ANYTHING that richmond will not finish above carlton next year. i mean come on, do you really think that will happen? one of the most ridiculous calls ive seen.
Richmond's youngsters are far superior to Carlton's.
I'll take that bet :) You give me 50% of all income earnt from now on, your first born, your soul and all derivatives thereof if Richmond finish above Carlton, and I'll give you 5 cents if Carlton finish above Richmond.
.... You did say anything :)
Oh, and....
The Last 11 Rounds of the season saw....
Collingwood win 9.5 matches
Geelong win 8 matches
Sydney win 8 matches
Bulldogs win 8 matches
Hawthorn win 7.5 matches
St. Kilda win 7.5 matches
Adelaide win 6 matches
North Melbourne win 6 matches
Fremantle win 5 matches
Port Adelaide win 5 matches
Richmond win 5 matches
Melbourne win 4.5 matches
Carlton win 4 matches
Brisbane win 2 matches
Essendon win 2 matches
West Coast win 1 match
So Carlton came 13th in the last half of 2010 - ahead of only bottom 4 sides Brisbane, Essendon and West Coast - and BEHIND the club that you say can't finish above you.
.... Yeah. Ridiculous prediction :)
you seem to be forgetting the first half of the season ossie, howd richmond go then?
i will take that bet, and though i will only win 5 cents, you will suffer the humiliation of ever thinking richmond could finish higher than us.
Richmond does not have the makings of a future powerhouse, they have a few good midfielders and that is it. literally it.
In answer to hawk as well, the reason that we will finish higher than what we did last year boils down to a few key reasons.
- Development of Lachie Henderson, as well as Chris Yarran and Jeff Garlett, I think Eddie has run his course, and has been serviceable, though he may improve once the team/forward line improves. The addition of Luke Mitchell will help.
- Backline additions in Watson and McCarthy, even if these players don't have the immediate impact they hope for, they allow players such as Bryce Gibbs to move back into the midfield and become more damaging. Nicholas Duigan is underhyped, but the mature recruit could well have a Michael Barlow-like impact next year, probably to a lesser extent.
- Midfield will only get better. Murphy and Gibbs are still young and learning, and are both very good players in their own right, but they will only improve. Kade Simpson's run off the wing, along with Scotland's run in the middle is always damaging. Hopefully Brock McLean can avoid injury next year and be the hard body to protect Judd and others. Kane Lucas will improve next year barring his troublesome hamstring.
We have Richmond covered on all lines, as shown by us finishing 7th, and them finishing 15th. Is it a coincidence that we always flog them by 15 goals whenever we play them?
So there's a bunch of reasons, pick your favourite.
Adelaide finished 5th in 2009, and Freo in the bottom 4. 1 year later and Freo finish 6th and Adelaide out of the finals.
Richmond have Jack Riewoldt. Better than any Carlton forward. Richmond have Chris Newman and Brett Deledio in the backine. So to say that Richmond have 'literally only midfielders' is a lie when Riewoldt, Newman and Deledio are genuine A grade players. I rate Damien Hardwick as a better coach than Brett Ratten.
The latter half of the season is generally a better ranking of teams then the first half. I'm not confident Richmond will make the 8 by any means, nor am I confident that Richmond will finish above Carlton. I'm just saying that it isn't that unlikely.
And the mosquito fleet is overrated :)
Taking the most current data is probably a better indication of form next season. The second half is certainly going to to be more accurate than the first half.
The development and Yarran and Garlett won't do much for your side. Your forward structure is incredibly flawed and relies too much on these players as it is. It was the lack of quality talls around them that caused issues, not these guys under-performing.
Lachie Henderson hasn't show a great deal. Given a lot of opportunities last year without showing much. Big guys take time, and clearly he still needs time if he is going to be the player Blues fans think he will be. If you are carrying your hopes of success next season on his shoulders you will be disappointed.
Again with Luke Mitchell (and Watson and McCarthy for that matter), expecting a first year KPP to perform at any consistent level to generate consistent team performances is laughable. They certainly aren't going to be building any structures around players without a single AFL game to their name, so I can see the addition of these players being the catalyst for Gibbs to return to the midfield.
Your midfield may improve, but to say it can only improve is clearly a fallacy. However your midfield was never really an issue. Your poor defence and flawed forward structure mean you leak goals and at times struggle to score them. The recruiting may help fix these issues in 2-3 years time, but will have a minimal short term effect.
Quote from: ossie85 on December 02, 2010, 09:35:51 AM
Adelaide finished 5th in 2009, and Freo in the bottom 4. 1 year later and Freo finish 6th and Adelaide out of the finals.
Richmond have Jack Riewoldt. Better than any Carlton forward. Richmond have Chris Newman and Brett Deledio in the backine. So to say that Richmond have 'literally only midfielders' is a lie when Riewoldt, Newman and Deledio are genuine A grade players. I rate Damien Hardwick as a better coach than Brett Ratten.
The latter half of the season is generally a better ranking of teams then the first half. I'm not confident Richmond will make the 8 by any means, nor am I confident that Richmond will finish above Carlton. I'm just saying that it isn't that unlikely.
And the mosquito fleet is overrated :)
huge backdown from, richmond finishing above carlton, already contradicting yourself.
"The other current 7 top 8 teams I think are better than Carlton. Melbourne, Richmond, North Melbourne are improving. And all three have better all-round teams."
How does richmond have a better all round team than carlton when you could only name three A-grade players, and saying Newman is an A-grade player is being very generous.
Quote from: Junktimer on December 02, 2010, 07:55:38 PM
and saying Newman is an A-grade player is being very generous.
Saying rubbish like that isn't going to help your credibility in this discussion.
I'm predicting Carlton to miss the 8. I'm not guaranteeing it! If I could see the future, I'd be a rich man :)
Carlton have 2 A-graders. Judd and Murphy. Gibbs is close, but not just yet.
Ultimately it isn't the A-graders that win you premierships. Hawthorn is the prime example of this.
if newman is an A-grader then im pretty sure gibbs is.
i am happy to use stats if need be.
the only a-grade DEF is Goddard :P LOL jk newman and gibbs are both pretty good too :D
Generally stats don't mean a great deal. One's quality can be masked by their playing environment which in the case is the Richmond footy club. Performing so poorly over a period of time will adversely affect your stats.
Also there is a massive difference in age which means different playing styles, training techniques, game plans etc.
Raw data means very little out of context. To use stats in any valid way to further your argument will be quite difficult as you would have to account for the above variables and many more. Even then context can still be applied to the presented data.
I welcome you to present us with some well formed data to make your point however the work required to present something remotely valid is probably disproportionate to the point you are trying to make.
To put it simply, don't try to validate your opinion with stats unless you know what you are doing. Ultimately this is a subjective opinion and as with most things in the world the prevailing opinion is followed until something happens and opinions change.
With this sort of thing there is no right answer. You have an opinion that you failed to convince us of and we have one that we failed to convince you of. Come the end of round 22 2011 we will know whose foresight was most accurate.
^ tis true Hawka.
Newman and Gibbs play completely different games. One is a captain, general of developing defense, the other is a rising midfielder/rebounding defender. It would be like comparing Simon Prestigiacomo against Jordan McMahon and saying McMahon's better cos he got the ball more.
ok hawk if stats dont mean anything, what else can we base it on?
so all stats records and every other achievements achieved by such statistics because they aren't a true indicator?
ossie are you trying to liken jordon mcmahon to bryce gibbs? wouldnt put it past ya.
Stats mean a lot JT.
No, Gibbs is far greater player than McMahon. But stats comparisons only work when players are similar types.
You couldn't use stats to compare Glenn McGrath and Ricky Ponting for example.
Quote from: hawk_88 on December 03, 2010, 01:14:27 AM
Generally stats don't mean a great deal. One's quality can be masked by their playing environment which in the case is the Richmond footy club. Performing so poorly over a period of time will adversely affect your stats.
Also there is a massive difference in age which means different playing styles, training techniques, game plans etc.
Raw data means very little out of context. To use stats in any valid way to further your argument will be quite difficult as you would have to account for the above variables and many more. Even then context can still be applied to the presented data.
I welcome you to present us with some well formed data to make your point however the work required to present something remotely valid is probably disproportionate to the point you are trying to make.
To put it simply, don't try to validate your opinion with stats unless you know what you are doing. Ultimately this is a subjective opinion and as with most things in the world the prevailing opinion is followed until something happens and opinions change.
With this sort of thing there is no right answer. You have an opinion that you failed to convince us of and we have one that we failed to convince you of. Come the end of round 22 2011 we will know whose foresight was most accurate.
i agree, it was hawk i was telling that to
Statistics are what they are, they are a number. Their meaning is in their use, which is problematic because through may tricks you can get statistics to say almost anything. Proper statistical analysis is possible but requires rigorous attention to detail. However the consistent measuring and recording (and I don't mean simple could but the environment and method of producing the event that is being measured) is absolutely necessary. This can't be achieved with sport. Which means comparisons between players in any valid way is near impossible.
What statistics are normally used are indicators. They are useful for identifying areas to further investigate using less concrete and more subjective methods.
For example, you might find that a full forward tends to be much less accurate from 30-40 meters than anywhere else and you investigate why.
The other major use of stats is aggregate metrics. A popular current example is heat maps.
However, any mathematically valid statistical comparison is near on impossible. They can still be subjectively interpreted so ultimately they achieve nothing in this context.
Like I said I welcome you to try, but as you may or may not have worked out, I know a thing or too about stats and will be able to rip holes. Like I said, you have a subjective opinion, we have a subjective opinion and ultimately there isn't a right opinion because their is no valid objective measure.
Still over 50% say Carlton to miss the 8.
The 2010 predictions saw 17 out of the 25 predictions leave Carlton out also.
Not enough respect is shown to what I believe will be a very dangerous side in 2011.
IMO best ladder so far has been McRooster's, boldest call has been ossie predicting the Tiges finishing above Carlton.
I have not made my ladder, so I will bump the thread in doing so.
1. Collingwood
2. Geelong
3. St Kilda
4. Carlton
5. Fremantle
6. Hawthorn
7. Sydney
8. Western Bulldogs
9. Adelaide
10. Melbourne
11. North Melbourne
12. Gold Coast
13. West Coast
14. Port Adelaide
15. Richmond
16. Essendon
17. Brisbane
The top 3 will most likely be those teams, maybe however in a different order, I definitely wouldn't say Collingwood are a certainty for the flag.
Carlton aren't a certainty for the 4, however I think that Freo won't rise this year, my reasoning being that Barlow will have a very interrupted preseason, Sandilands IMO will get injured a bit, and Pav is now 29, not entirely unlike Carlton, they rely heavily on their best few.
Hawks will improve slightly, but will not push for premiership, way too inconsistent.
Bulldogs and Sydney should do OK, but their best is behind them.
Adelaide were a little shell shocked early this year, and will push for finals selection, along with the Dees, who need another year of solid footy before they can start to make an impact.
North pretty stock standard at 11.
Gold Coast may do better than expected, I believe West Coast can improve a bit too, but need to sort out their spud defence if they ever wanna be good.
Port may be good in a few years, not this year though.
Rounding out the tail is Richmond, Essendon and Brisbane. All lack talent and experience, Brisbane and Essendon to go through rebuilding stages.
Quote from: Junktimer on January 20, 2011, 02:36:43 AM
Not enough respect is shown to what I believe will be a very dangerous side in 2011.
IMO best ladder so far has been McRooster's, boldest call has been ossie predicting the Tiges finishing above Carlton.
I'm not being deliberately antagonistic, but the Tigers won more games in the last half of 2010 than Carlton did, so I don't believe it is that bold a call! Carlton need to earn respect, like every team, and they do not have that yet.
Your right, Carlton could finish top 4. I just don't they have the right structures or right game plan to do it right now. I think they have the talent, which means anything can happen!
1. collingwood
2. st.kilda
3. western bulldogs
4. geelong
5. carlton
6. fremantle
7. hawthorn
8. melbourne
9. north melbourne
10. sydney
11. adelaide
12. Richmond
13. essendon
14. west coast
15. port adelaide
16. gold coast
17. brisbane
West Coast so bad they finish in the bottom 4 twice Dylsta?
yeah i think that it will be out of essendon, richmond and west coast to finish up the bottom 4
Quote from: dylsta05 on January 20, 2011, 10:31:37 AM
yeah i think that it will be out of essendon, richmond and west coast to finish up the bottom 4
:) You heard first here! The Eagles will finish 14th and 16th ;)
West coast are taking up 2 ladder spots? Greedy buggers ::)
whooops i didnt no what you ment till i looked at it hahaha ill fix it up
Lol its ok dyl it was funny :)
Quote from: Junktimer on January 20, 2011, 02:36:43 AM
Still over 50% say Carlton to miss the 8.
The 2010 predictions saw 17 out of the 25 predictions leave Carlton out also.
Not enough respect is shown to what I believe will be a very dangerous side in 2011.
IMO best ladder so far has been McRooster's, boldest call has been ossie predicting the Tiges finishing above Carlton.
I have not made my ladder, so I will bump the thread in doing so.
1. Collingwood
2. Geelong
3. St Kilda
4. Carlton
5. Fremantle
6. Hawthorn
7. Sydney
8. Western Bulldogs
9. Adelaide
10. Melbourne
11. North Melbourne
12. Gold Coast
13. West Coast
14. Port Adelaide
15. Richmond
16. Essendon
17. Brisbane
The top 3 will most likely be those teams, maybe however in a different order, I definitely wouldn't say Collingwood are a certainty for the flag.
Carlton aren't a certainty for the 4, however I think that Freo won't rise this year, my reasoning being that Barlow will have a very interrupted preseason, Sandilands IMO will get injured a bit, and Pav is now 29, not entirely unlike Carlton, they rely heavily on their best few.
Hawks will improve slightly, but will not push for premiership, way too inconsistent.
Bulldogs and Sydney should do OK, but their best is behind them.
Adelaide were a little shell shocked early this year, and will push for finals selection, along with the Dees, who need another year of solid footy before they can start to make an impact.
North pretty stock standard at 11.
Gold Coast may do better than expected, I believe West Coast can improve a bit too, but need to sort out their spud defence if they ever wanna be good.
Port may be good in a few years, not this year though.
Rounding out the tail is Richmond, Essendon and Brisbane. All lack talent and experience, Brisbane and Essendon to go through rebuilding stages.
Great write up JT though honestly reckon Prt and Bombers will finish infront of the Suns
Quote from: ossie85 on January 20, 2011, 10:27:10 AM
West Coast so bad they finish in the bottom 4 twice Dylsta?
Almost certain money IMO to finish bottom 4, which I think Dylsta has nailed BTW, except maybe GC finish last?
I agree :)
Dysta had put West Coast on his ladder twice, but has since edited it, so my comment makes even less sense then it did to begin with! Serves me right for being a smart-arse
And yes, Eagles definate bottom 4.
haha Don't worry about it looked ok at the time.
coped it myself as well in here being quick witted & as you called yourself a smart-ar$e Lol
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,23498.msg300759.html#msg300759
Yeah saw that lol. The forum is good to keep anyone's ego in check :)
Ego's can get in the way but I can assure everyone that this ladder is right, happy for people to quote me on it.
1 Collingwood
2 Essendon
3 Freemantle
4 Carlton
5 Geelong
6 Hawthorn
7 Adelaide
8 Gold Coast
__________
9 Brisbane
10 Northe Melbourne
11 St.Kilda
12West Coast
13 Port Adelaide
14 Bulldogs
15 Melbourne
16 Richmond
17 Sydney
Now I can hear everyone saying, what!!!! Cruise has lost his marbles and other fronts that might be true but this ladder is correct. Any guess what it represents?
Not too hard really, Os you can hold back, you'll know in 4 seconds.
lol took me about 6 seconds Cruise, bit slow on a Friday :)
Anyone else?
yeah i put west coast twice, whoops haha:p, i fixed it up, haha when i first saw ossie's post i thought the same then i realized haha
Quote from: Cruiseon on January 21, 2011, 09:53:08 AM
Ego's can get in the way but I can assure everyone that this ladder is right, happy for people to quote me on it.
1 Collingwood
2 Essendon
3 Freemantle
4 Carlton
5 Geelong
6 Hawthorn
7 Adelaide
8 Gold Coast
__________
9 Brisbane
10 Northe Melbourne
11 St.Kilda
12West Coast
13 Port Adelaide
14 Bulldogs
15 Melbourne
16 Richmond
17 Sydney
Now I can hear everyone saying, what!!!! Cruise has lost his marbles and other fronts that might be true but this ladder is correct. Any guess what it represents?
Not too hard really, Os you can hold back, you'll know in 4 seconds.
Dylsta, I think you may have missed the point. Can anyone else work out what this ladder is?
Yep I have it & to prove that I think I am right it also refers to a posting that is constant with you, but not being your club. Not giving it away by saying this hopefully.
Quote from: Cruiseon on January 21, 2011, 09:53:08 AM
Ego's can get in the way but I can assure everyone that this ladder is right, happy for people to quote me on it.
1 Collingwood
2 Essendon
3 Freemantle
4 Carlton
5 Geelong
6 Hawthorn
7 Adelaide
8 Gold Coast
__________
9 Brisbane
10 Northe Melbourne
11 St.Kilda
12West Coast
13 Port Adelaide
14 Bulldogs
15 Melbourne
16 Richmond
17 Sydney
Now I can hear everyone saying, what!!!! Cruise has lost his marbles and other fronts that might be true but this ladder is correct. Any guess what it represents?
Not too hard really, Os you can hold back, you'll know in 4 seconds.
took me about 7. posts on FF?
Yep JT, it's the offical current, posting tally by club on FF.
And yes I've been known to promote the Freo cause, good on them I say!
1. Collingwood (but not winning the GF :P)
2. St. Kilda
3. Geelong
4. Fremantle
5. Hawthorn
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Sydney
8. Carlton
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9. Adelaide
10. North Melbourne
11. Melbourne
12. Richmond
13. Port Adelaide
14. Essendon
15. West Coast
16. Gold Coast
17. Brisbane
would have liked to fit all of the top 11 in the 8, and all of the top 6 in the 4, but obviously couldnt ::)
Picked the same top 8 (in a different order) as last year Pyro! Would be interesting if that happened, I doubt it has happened before!
Quote from: ossie85 on January 22, 2011, 07:23:56 AM
Picked the same top 8 (in a different order) as last year Pyro! Would be interesting if that happened, I doubt it has happened before!
i didnt even realise that :P every year though the ladder seems to be getting harder to pick IMO ::)
1. Collingwood
2. Fremantle
3. Geelong
4. Carlton
5. St Kilda
6. Hawthorn.
7. Adelaide
8. North Melbourne
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9. Western Bulldogs
10. Richmond
11. Sydney
12. Melbourne
13. Essendon
14. Port Adelaide
15. Gold Coast
16. Brisbane
17. West Coast.
Hey all :)
Collingwood
Hawthorn
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs
Fremantle
Geelong
Melbourne
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Carlton
Essendon
Richmond
Sydney
Port Adelaide
North Melbourne
Adelaide
West Coast
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Premiers: Collingwood but hoping hawks :)
Brownlow: Pendlebury
Most improved player and team: Melbourne and Rhys Palmer
Biggest Spud: Brett Deledio lol
Does anyone remember this? :P
Was anyone close? (i cbb reading them all though ;) )
Quote from: ossie85 on January 21, 2011, 09:00:30 AM
And yes, Eagles definate bottom 4.
Sorry Oss, but this was the first post i found. :(
Everyone here screwed up I reckon.
I wasn't online at the time but i wrote down my choices at the start of the year:
1. Collingwood
2. WB (Premiers) (Boyd Brownlow)
3. Hawthorn
4. St. Kilda (NRoo coleman)
5. Geelong
6. Carlton
7. North
8. Fremantle
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(J.Darling Rising Star)
17. Brisbane
Quote from: PowerBug on September 27, 2011, 05:25:24 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on January 21, 2011, 09:00:30 AM
And yes, Eagles definate top 4.
Sorry Oss, but this was the first post i found. :(
Yeah, I was pretty accurate.