Teams:
England - Chelsea - Frank Lampard
Spain - Real Madrid - Cristiano Ronaldo
Italy - AC Milan - Kassian Huntelaar
Germany - Bayern Munchen - Bastian Schweinsteiger
England - Chelsea - Wayne Rooney/Michael Essien ( When Fit)
Spain - Barcelona - Lionel Messi/Xavi
Italy - Inter - Wesley Sniejder
Germany - Bayern Munich - Arjen Robben
Spain-FC Barcelona... Lionel messi
Italy - Inter.. Wesley sneijder
Spain FC Barcelona David Villa
England Liverpool... Steven Gerrard
FC Barcelona,Internazionale,Man Utd, and Bayer Munchen
u did barcelona twice rob..
England... Arsenal... Cesc Fabregas
Italy... Inter... Sneijder
Spain... Barca... Messi
Germany... Bayern Munich... Arjen Robben
England... Chelsea.. Frank Lampard
Italy... Inter... Sneijder
Spain... Barcelona... Messi
Germany... Bayern Munich... Arjen Robben
Quote from: Capt Cunners on July 13, 2010, 04:48:28 PM
England... Chelsea.. Frank Lampard/Torres (When In Form)
Italy... Inter... Sneijder
Spain... Barcelona... Messi
Germany... Bayern Munich... Arjen Robben
Quote from: HillHero13 on July 13, 2010, 03:45:51 PM
u did barcelona twice rob..
Yeah Because Barcelona have two of the best player in Messi and David Villa if you notice the team i have only did them once!!
lol. Liverpool came 6th... with Gerrard having the worst season since his debut. How can they be the best team/player?
his favourite...
]Are people on here special? ok i will explain...Now remember to read slowly MY BEST 4 TEAMS IN THE WORLD. Andrew and Hill Chelsea are not a great team Man U are way more Sucessfull and have been more consistent one season doesn't make you the best team in England .My Best 4 Teams are FC Barcelona,Internazionale,Man Utd, and Bayer Munchen .
Best 4 Players are Spain-FC Barcelona... Lionel messi
Italy - Inter.. Wesley sneijder
Spain FC Barcelona David Villa
England Liverpool... Steven Gerrard
Gerrard is way better than Lampard over a more consistent period Hence being made Capt of England Over Lampard. Just a hint because people's opinions differ from yours doesn't mean there wrong..
of course man u have been more successful.. chelsea were only in ther premier league for the first time in 92'
Quote from: HillHero13 on July 13, 2010, 09:01:02 PM
his favourite...
LOL your are talking about gerrard, Huntelaar care to explain worst desicion ever you have strikers like Villa,Rooney...i would pick Smeltz lol before him least he scored in the WC
I am pretty sure the Premier league was formed in 1992.
Quote from: RobsOverAchieverss on July 13, 2010, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: HillHero13 on July 13, 2010, 09:01:02 PM
his favourite...
LOL your are talking about gerrard, Huntelaar care to explain worst desicion ever you have strikers like Villa,Rooney...i would pick Smeltz lol before him least he scored in the WC
Huntelaar fav ac milan player...
really?? i thought it was formed like yeaarrss before that..
oh the inagural one...
but they werent in the top league until then...
Premier league was formed in 1992, and they where founded in 1902 pretty sure.
Gerrard being picked as captain would have nothing to do with him being a better player. However, I do agree that I think Gerrard is a better player, he had a shocking season and Lampard has over taken him.
Chelsea were the best team in England last season, so how are they not great? I mean, in the 2009 Semi-Final, they dominated Barcelona's midfield. Essien is the key and easily the best midfielder in England and 2nd only to Xavi.
Guess thats your opinion..Dont agree with it Chelsea have Done nothing in Europe Compared to Man U and have never won the Champions League.Europe is the true test of a quality team.Essien 2nd Xavi in Epl? Essien is a good player i wouldn't put him in the class of Gerrard,Lampard,and Fabregas he is a solid hardworking player who can score occasional cracker goals..Iknow you go for chelsea but essien best midfielder in EPL? thats ridiculous, there is a reason he doesn't get the accolades of a gerrard or a lampard.To call a team great.. 1 runner up in Uefa Champions league. Man U epl titles since 92 = 11 titles chelsea=3 come on andrew.
I go for Man Utd.......
Essien is just a huge beast. Easily the best. It isn't even close. You look at the things he does inside the game and there is no one else in the world that does it better then Essien. He held Xavi so well and has held Fabregas and Gerrard every time Chelsea have played Liverpool and Arsenal since 2005. Essien partnered with Lampard is just god. Chelsea have appeared in the quarter finals since 2003 untill last season. Chelsea also reached 3 Semi-Finals and 1 Final in 3 years. Pretty damn good if you ask me.
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 13, 2010, 10:18:26 PM
I go for Man Utd.......
i thought u went for chelsea? and surely you would then?
Rob, I tend to agree with Andrew. Whilst Essien may not have the flare that Lampard/Gerrard/Fabregas etc he holds that midfield together and allows Lampard to show off his flare. If you look at Essien's scoring in the EPL fantasy, excluding last year due to injury, he manages to achieve a lot of bonus points due to his ability on the park.
The others stand out more due to their goal scoring rather than just their dominance in a game. It is very close though.
As for the best team in England, it has to be Man Utd due their achievements since the forming of the EPL, however they are also the one's who've had the money to splash around as well. the game is too lop sided now, unless you have an owner with $$$ you have no chance. Who knows in 20 years we may be saying Man City is the best team because they're spending all their money now...
Maybe I'm just jealous because Forest are still in the Championship, even though we did win 2 European Cup's (more than Chelsea has won), but it is difficult for any team to succeed without the $$$
i think chelsea can go win the UEFA champions league now that they have spent money...
Don't forget Arsenal as well Fletch :P
LOL OK well if he scores good fantasy points well he must be good, Essien no doubt works hard and is the glue in Chelseas midfield thats does not make him a great midfielder he is important!!!...You cannot seriously think he is better than gerrard or lampard?seriously .....The question Wasnt who is the most succesfull team who didnt spend alot of money? the question was who was the best team in England!! Man utd have had sustained success, money was not a factor like it is now, back when the league was formed it was an even playing field. Chelsea where no means a poor club before Abrahamovich they would of been richer than Man U...when they signed the likes of vialli zola lebouef.
Also would love to be in your fantasy league if you have essien ;)
Rob, I agree that Lampard and Gerrard etc score more fantasy points than Essien as they score goals, have assists, etc. I probably won't have Essien in my side. I was just pointing out in regards to Bonus points that he often gets 3 points for being the best on the park for controlling Chelsea's gameplay.
As I said it is a debate that could be discussed for hours.
ok lets settle this....
i meant for this topic to be for favorite..
i missed the 'Your' before 'Top'
Man U have been more succesful than chelsea
Essein play a different role to lampard and gerrard so can't compare them..
Can we please agree on something here, Is it best team in history or now.
Best team in Premier League now is Chelsea, Best team in English History, no it's not Man U, It's Liverpool. Recently you would say I'm crazy, but look at the Stats, Liverpool dominate. But I do agree that Man U is better since the forming of the EPL, but not of all time. Don't forget that Liverpool are the poorest out of the Top 4 teams, compared to Man U who have always had the money.
Essien: I agree with Rob on this one, not up to Gerrard, Lampard and Fabregas level. Might want to add the Gerrard is better then Lampard aswell.
agree liverpool are the best off all time in English football but Man U in the premiership and chelsea of last season...but lampard is not better.
Quote from: RobsOverAchieverss on July 14, 2010, 06:45:42 PM
agree liverpool are the best off all time in English football but Man U in the premiership and chelsea of last season...but lampard is not better.
I know, I said Gerrard was ???
Quote from: Master Q on July 14, 2010, 08:07:37 PM
Quote from: RobsOverAchieverss on July 14, 2010, 06:45:42 PM
agree liverpool are the best off all time in English football but Man U in the premiership and chelsea of last season...but lampard is not better.
I know, I said Gerrard was ???
ok lol well is that the first time we agree on eveything Q?
I just can't but lol at this thread. Essien is the best holding midfielder and 2nd to only Xavi as the best midfielder in the world. Seriously. It isn't even close. Gerrard is no where near as good as he was 2 seasons ago. Him going forward as a second striker was the worst thing for Steven and Liverpool. As for Lampard, well, he is good and has overtaken Gerrard as England's number one midfielder. Gerrard+Lampard in the midfield would be lol (see England). Essien+Lampard in the midfield is awesome (see Chelsea 2004-2010) . Essien missed the Champions League this season and I guarantee you, they would of beaten Inter with Essien in their Side and most prob went on to the Final.
You only have to properly watch a game of Football to see what and why Essien is the best midfielder in the Premier League and probably the best player. If I had to name a dream team, Essien would be the first name on my list. So would a lot of Coaches and Players. Most Chelsea fans concur that Essien is their best player. The others are the ones that think Terry is better then Carvalho and have no idea what they are talking about and only watch stat football and play FIFA.
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 14, 2010, 11:14:12 PM
I just can't but lol at this thread. Essien is the best holding midfielder and 2nd to only Xavi as the best midfielder in the world.
Alot of people would laugh for thinking he his the 2nd best midfielder.
A lot of people would laugh for naming Steven Gerrard as the EPL's best player.
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 14, 2010, 11:25:19 PM
A lot of people would laugh for naming Steven Gerrard as the EPL's best player.
England player of the year 07' PFA fans player of the year 08-09 WORLD player of the year 08-09...Essien hmmm African player of the year 06 (i am sure Gerrard would of won that one if he was african) and yep thats about it, so i dont think i would have any troubles :D
Ok go around saying Gerrard is the best midfielder in England see what reactions you will get.
Again. Actually watch the games and not stat watching and you will see what I'm talking about. If not, please do not bother.
"WORLD player of the year 08-09"
Lol. Goodjob on that one. Where did you get that from?
Again. Actually watch the games and not stat watching and you will see what I'm talking about. If not, please do not bother.
[/quote] Yeah well just been playing since i was 7 yrs old so i have played and watched alot of football,i dont even go for liverpool i just think from watching both players he is clearly the better player.. if you watch a few games this year i am sure you will agree! but either way thats your opinion i just dont agree,so i guess i will agree to disagree. FWA which is Football writers World player of the year, its different to the balloon d'or.
Football Writers Association Player of the Year. It is English Journalists who decide who they thought the best player of the year was.
Steven Gerrard wouldn't even be on many peoples top 20 lists anymore, let alone top 10 or first. Thing about Gerrard and Lampard, they can fade in and out and then disappear from games. Essien and Xavi however, they do not. They are always in and influencing the game. I can't tell you enough how good Essien is. He is the EPL's best midfielder and best player. If you are comparing Gerrard to Essien, I mean, how can you even stand up and debate it? Gerrard has been appauling. If you are trying to debate Lampard and Essien then yeah, I get it, but Gerrard? Really?
LOL ok i think this thread is exhausted, (banging head against wall). Well whoever posted this topic my favorite player was gerrard incase you couldnt tell.
Well my favourite is Ryan Giggs.....
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 15, 2010, 12:05:09 AM
Well my favourite is Ryan Giggs.....
One of my favs as well :). *Hi 5
I look at teams weirdly, so no point me putting up my ones :P.
haha andrew to say that most people would not have gerrard in the top 20players of the EPL is ridiculous!! most people wouldnt have essien in their top 10!
Anyone who has Gerrard in their top 20 after this season is very very very stupid.
Andrew I'm staring to think you are very very very stupid.
List of Essien Awards:
2005 UNFP Ligue 1 Player of the Year
BBC African Footballer of the Year: 2006
Chelsea Goal of the season 06' - 07'
Chelsea Player of the Year: 2007
Major Major Awards In Bold. As you can see, none.
List of Gerrard Awards:
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2008â€"09
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2005â€"06
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2000â€"01
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2000â€"01, 2008â€"09
PFA Team of the Year: 2003â€"04, 2004â€"05, 2005â€"06, 2006â€"07, 2007â€"08, 2008â€"09
FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2004â€"05
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2004â€"05
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2005â€"06
Goal of the Season: 2005â€"06
England Player of the Year: 2007
Major Awards In Bold. That's quite a few hey Andrew?
Oh wow. Must mean Gerrard is the worlds best player. Look at all those individual awards. Took his team to 6th and played some of the worlds worst football this season. Stop watching football on the paper, and start watching it on the field.
Iniesta, arguably the best attacking midfielder in the world.
Euro 2008 Team of the tournament
Don Balón Award for Best Spanish Player of the Year: 2009
La Liga's Best Attacking Midfielder: 2009
UEFA Team of the Year: 2009
WOW. He only has 4 awards compared to Gerrard who has many!! That MUST mean Gerrard is a better player then Iniesta. IT HAS TO RIGHT??!!!!! Like to understand this game is SOOOOOOOOO simple yeah? WHoever has the most awards is clearly the better player!!!!!
He is a great indivdual player. But as Andrew said, if you also include team efforts.....
Have to say Essien is a great player. On field he is but not fantasy wise. Is a game breaker with his pace and passing. Just doesn't get as much attention as others as he doesn't score goals, assists, etc.
Quote from: Hellopplz on July 16, 2010, 05:49:32 PM
He is a great indivdual player. But as Andrew said, if you also include team efforts.....
Have to say Essien is a great player. On field he is but not fantasy wise. Is a game breaker with his pace and passing. Just doesn't get as much attention as others as he doesn't score goals, assists, etc.
Just means Essien isn't anywhere near Lampard and Gerrard for stat watchers who only look at the assists and goals when the game is over
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 16, 2010, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: Hellopplz on July 16, 2010, 05:49:32 PM
He is a great indivdual player. But as Andrew said, if you also include team efforts.....
Have to say Essien is a great player. On field he is but not fantasy wise. Is a game breaker with his pace and passing. Just doesn't get as much attention as others as he doesn't score goals, assists, etc.
Just means Essien isn't anywhere near Lampard and Gerrard for stat watchers who only look at the assists and goals when the game is over
Kinda like those who play DT and not SC ;D.
hahahahaha. Good one.
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 16, 2010, 05:43:12 PM
Oh wow. Must mean Gerrard is the worlds best player. Look at all those individual awards. Took his team to 6th and played some of the worlds worst football this season. Stop watching football on the paper, and start watching it on the field.
Andrew - Says he knows a lot of soccer.
QuoteTook his team to 6th
After that, I find it hard to believe. Anyone who knows soccer has to know that there isn't such thing as a 1 man team. Liverpool had a horrible team this season compared to other big name teams, so no point there.
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Next, he may of had a bad season but does 1 bad season make him the worlds worst player?
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In this post, you just burned yourself:
QuoteIniesta, arguably the best attacking midfielder in the world.
Euro 2008 Team of the tournament
Don Balón Award for Best Spanish Player of the Year: 2009
La Liga's Best Attacking Midfielder: 2009
UEFA Team of the Year: 2009
WOW. He only has 4 awards compared to Gerrard who has many!! That MUST mean Gerrard is a better player then Iniesta. IT HAS TO RIGHT??!!!!! Like to understand this game is SOOOOOOOOO simple yeah? WHoever has the most awards is clearly the better player!!!!
Hey Andrew, what league is Iniesta in? Tell me.
Also, I never, never said Gerrard is the world best player, I just said he's better then Essien. Do some research, or at least look at the previous post.
How about you actually watch a football game, then come back. By the look of it, and by using individual awards to find out the better player, you don't watch much.
I honestly don't get what you are talking about with the Iniesta thing? He plays for La Liga and Gerrard plays for the EPL. I get that. I was proving a point by Iniesta having fewer awards then Gerrard, but is still the superior player.
If you know Liverpool, you know that Gerrard is "Captain Fantastic" and is the heart and soul of Liverpool FC.
So I take it you don't know much/anything about the clubs or the sport they play?
Also, what makes Gerrard better then Essien? You haven't done one single thing in explaining why and how Gerrard is better other then copy and pasting awards from Wikipedia.
Also, what makes Gerrard better then Essien? You haven't done one single thing in explaining why and how Gerrard is better other then copy and pasting awards from Wikipedia.
[/quote]No Comment. Actually one becuase you say something doesn't mean its correct.
Can't take anything away from Gerrard though. He is a great Attacking Midfielder. One of the best in the EPL and maybe the world. Would definately be in my top 20 for EPL. Isn't the best but hard doubt his skills.
If you want goals and assists from attacking midfielders, he certainly does that. Great leader as well. Essien does his job by keeping his defence strong and stopping the opposition while setting up attacks. 2 different players to compare who have positive effects on their teams.
No Comment. Actually one becuase you say something doesn't mean its correct.
When I say a statement, I back it up with why and how. Neither you or Master Q have done that. Also, I never said top 20 EPL. Some guy who randomly joined the debate did. I just said top 20 and he assumed.
yes we have actually but you dont listen to anything because you think you know everthing no one else knows what there talking about! but i could understand if you where comparing a decent player. Essien is an important team player he is not a great individual, he can break up the play links well with defence and is good at breaking up the play but thats it. You Can't compare the two because Gerrard is another class, video games or sats dont matter it personal preference so remember other people are aloud opinions, to say to Q and i too watch football i know for a Fact we would watch the same if not more than yourself, Like you also said Messi wasn't going to play well for Argentina and he was the most exciting players of the tounament didn't score but played like he plays at Barca, So i just think every has differing opinions and none of them are necessarily incorrect.
"He is not a great individual"
I stopped at there. I couldn't read anymore. Seriously? What the hell.....
Rob, I seriously thought you were packed full of decent knowledge. However, after that last post, I may have to question it...
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 16, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
Rob, I seriously thought you were packed full of decent knowledge. However, after that last post, I may have to question it...
LOL likewise i think this thread is exhausted differing opinions, Q is in fantasy footy with us in the FF league u should play Andrew test your football knowledge! Curious what star sign are you?
Yes because the winner of a fantasy league is the more knowledgeable?? This is ridiculous.
I just talked to my Chelsea friend over in the UK. He said you should be put down for writing that last post and if you think that... well, it is embarrassing and you are the most thickest person if you think what you wrote was anywhere near the truth ... lolllll.
I am an Aries.
Lol you spoke to your friend congrats what because he lives, in the Uk he knows what he is talking bout now thats Funny ;D and i never said this debate can be settled on Fantasy Football i said test your fantasy knowledge you know eveything about football so you should be good at it!! LOL your mate thats hilarious...LOL you are getting a bit desprate if you have to pull in the big guns from overseas LOL i cant stop laughing thanks you made my night...this is seriously the last post i am writing on this ridiculous thread , well i am off to talk to my cousins and parents in the UK see what they think :)
I was getting his opinion on this really really stupid debate because him and his family have been Chelsea supporters their entire lives and they know their shower. I can't believe you can even be behind it and write about it on a public forum. You should be embarrassed about what you just wrote before. You call yourself a football "Knowledgeable" fan when this stuff is BASIC knowledge. I couldn't stop laughing at the fact you have actually tried to make it into an argument when you are absolutely wrong. If I actually didn't know you were being serious, I would call you a troll.
Well done.
Andrew you remind me a little bit of how rob used to be. (Rob, Note I said used to be, no offense, no hard intended , don't want to start a fight ;D )
Andrew, the only one who should be embarresed is you. I think I need to say to you what my teachers in school said to read the text more then once. And this stage it seems like your not even reading half of it, and just writing words in a blue box, as you are talking rubbish!
Calling Rob a "Troll" is so funny I had to put a banana peel down my throat. I can imagine you now, If we were to meet in real life, I would say "Hel-" and then you'd interupt me. Ok, lets play with Andrew. Andrew, you are the only one who's gets to have an opinion, you know everything, you are our god, I will listen to everything you say.
You say that I don't back up my points, well I don't - because you interupt and don't listen :P Not backing up your point I think is better then saying that you have a friend in england, so you are right :P
Start listening to people.
You know what, Your A Joke.
If an opinion is so badly wrong, I am sorry that I have to argue. You have to have reasons and copy and pasting individual awards for your reasons is a joke.
I backed up my point all thread. I have given my reasons why he is better and given examples.
State your reasons why you think Gerrard is better then Essien? I used to think Gerrard was the best midfielder before he was moved behind Torres as a second striker. Ever since then, he has not been the same. He is best served as a box-to-box midfielder. Instead RB decided to move him behind Torres so that he can use his best assets and purely attack and relieve him of any defensive duties. Now I don't know if you watch Liverpool games, but if you watched them, you would know the shocking performances from Gerrard himself during some of these games. He used run hard, endless passion and never say die. Now that he is only attacking and purely plays as an attacking player, he has become quite lazy and doesn't track back as much as he used. Which was one of his best strengths. His stamina and endless running was Steven Gerrard all over. Now that Roy has come in, I really hope he plays Gerrard in the midfield so he can get back to his best.
Essien is a better player because he is a powerhouse in the midfield. He does whatever he needs to do for the team. If he needs to play box-to-box ( which he often does), he does. If he needs to hold a player from the opposition team, like Xavi, Fabregas, Gerrard, he has done without fail and kept them out of the game. He also has an awesome shot which can be seen in the Arsenal game and Barcelona game. He can play anywhere in the midfield and in the defence. In 2006/07 and 07/08 he often played in defence for Chelsea during their defensive crisis. He played as a makeshift RB in the CL final vs Manchester United. He was well beaten in the first half, however, in the 2nd, he absolutely destroyed him and got forward a lot. Chelsea's midfield needs Essien. They had to change to a 4-3-3 because the 4-4-2 diamond did not work with him. You can see in Chelsea's games, their midfield at times, got overworked and undone. In the Inter vs Chelsea game. Sniejder was pulling Chelsea like a 14 yr boy who just watched his first penetration porn. Mikel could not handle him. Cambiasso, another holding midfielder was getting forward a lot because Inter was dictating the play. Essien playing in this game wouldn't of let Cambiasso get forward because of his presence and dominance in the midfield. Cambiasso scored because of Chelsea's lack of presence in the midfield. Ultimately winning the game for Inter.
Gerrard in his role as a second striker, as I have said, has limited his input for his team and it has shown. Unless Gerrard is moved back into the midfield, Essien will always be the better player.
Andrew.
I think that we can't compare these two players.
They play totally different roles and are totally different players.
Quote from: reesbr on July 17, 2010, 09:52:52 AM
Andrew.
I think that we can't compare these two players.
They play totally different roles and are totally different players.
Shut Up Reesbr you have no idea
Firstly all of you people who are saying Gerrard is better than Lampard are an absolute joke. Last season Gerrard was crap, and Lampard's was one of the best he has had.
And in their primes Gerrard is better than Essien, but at the moment Essien is much better than Gerrard.
Top 5 Mids in EPL:
1. Lampard
2. Fabregas
3. Essien
4. Gerrard
5. Milner
In their primes, I think they are on par with each other. But as it stands, Essien is far superior and makes Lampard score a lot more. Capt Cunners, this is what someone said, and I concur with it "Well since Jan, Lampard scored 8 of the 12 penalties awarded in that 5 month span. He scored 11 in total. Essien was injured in Nov/Dec. He scored 12 in the second half of the season, 4 from free play compared to 10, 8 from free play in the first half of the season. So Essien makes him score more. The reason Lampard gets into position to score those goals is because of the work that Essien has done. With his endless energy , Versatility and immense physical presence, Essien over Lampard any day."
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 16, 2010, 06:49:13 PM
No Comment. Actually one becuase you say something doesn't mean its correct.
When I say a statement, I back it up with why and how. Neither you or Master Q have done that. Also, I never said top 20 EPL. Some guy who randomly joined the debate did. I just said top 20 and he assumed.
i said that because the topic of this debate is who is the best player in epl or whatever, that is what you are arguing about! so when you say top 20, it would obviously be assumed you ar talking about EPL, and all your eevidence is stupid, NO ONE was comparing gerrard to la liga or iiesta or xavi , yet this is you evidence??r
Quote from: supercoachheroes on July 20, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: Andrew3737 on July 16, 2010, 06:49:13 PM
No Comment. Actually one becuase you say something doesn't mean its correct.
When I say a statement, I back it up with why and how. Neither you or Master Q have done that. Also, I never said top 20 EPL. Some guy who randomly joined the debate did. I just said top 20 and he assumed.
i said that because the topic of this debate is who is the best player in epl or whatever, that is what you are arguing about! so when you say top 20, it would obviously be assumed you ar talking about EPL, and all your eevidence is stupid, NO ONE was comparing gerrard to la liga or iiesta or xavi , yet this is you evidence??r
If you actually read what I said, I said, Master Q was comparing the two players by awards. I said that Iniesta is arguably the best attacking midfielder in the world and he 4 awards compared to Gerrard many. So you can't just say Gerrard is better because he has awards. Well done, idiot.
Calm Down Andrew, No Need To Swear.
Please read what I said earlier, because most of the times, you don't. If you need help, I'll point out what I said ::)