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Title: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: divi18 on March 29, 2009, 12:48:27 AM
Hoping that Monty or somebody else in the know can give an exact reason why there are no live super coach scores anywhere, is it a champion data issue or is it coming from the AFL.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: ando10 on March 29, 2009, 01:37:03 AM
i know im pretty pissed about it
makes the games so much more exciting if you can follow the scores
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: m0nty on March 29, 2009, 02:11:00 AM
I don't know much about it either. All I do know is that Champion Data and/or the AFL and/or Telstra have stopped making SC scores available live to any part of the Internet. It's out of my hands.

I'm getting SC numbers to you as fast as I can get them and with 100% accuracy.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: tony73 on April 05, 2009, 04:47:00 AM
Monty,
The herald sun updates SC scores after each quarter, any chance you could update them same Q byQ?
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: jimmyha on April 05, 2009, 07:31:09 AM
Thats not a bad idea tony73..
It would be better than nothing
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: MaqAttaq on April 11, 2009, 12:14:43 AM
m0nty

the people who complain and/or question your goodwill and devotion to providing the rest of us with quality information on FF is off their rockers.

the wife kicks me off the TV on Friday nights and I pretend to complain about it so she can make me a coffee and sandwich for my sacrifice - but the truth is I prefer to follow the footy on FF anyway and watch the game on my internet TV

keep up the good work


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Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Prospector_1 on April 11, 2009, 12:29:07 AM
Yeah Maq, you sure know what side your bread's buttered on. Well done, totally agree etc.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: bazza16 on April 11, 2009, 01:33:16 AM
check out this thread on SFF
http://superfootyforum.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=3140
Browse through every page, it has the 2 reasons why they dont do it- not that i agree
Basically, these are a scaled scoring system, and DT purchased the rights.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Prospector_1 on April 14, 2009, 12:02:24 AM
In today's Oz...

The decision by the AFL to block access to Telstra's Game Day Live statistics feeds, which give second-by-second details of player statistics during games to non-Dream Team players, has angered some footy fans. Bloggers on Fanfooty.com.au said they were frustrated at no longer being able to get live stats.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,,25324365-7582,00.html
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: tony73 on April 14, 2009, 12:39:59 AM
I don't see that anyone her is doging about Monty's efforts or the level of service he provides, its simply questioning SC score availability as a whole.

I would say the person who is able to provide this service would go a long way towards having a more popular web site and therefore more clicks on the pages$$$$
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Cool9 on April 14, 2009, 09:24:43 AM
Re: Today's story in the Australian. (see link from Prospector_1 above). Makes very interesting reading. To paraphrase, it seems AFL has blocked access to live Telstra feeds for SC stats in order to improve participation in DT. This is because SuperCoach is now far more popoular than AFL-backed Dream Team competition.

This is an extremely disappointing repsonse from the AFL, but unfortunately all too typical. Rather than improve their inferior product (DT), they try to 'market' (ie dupe) us into thinking DT is a better product and remove the competition from SC by blocking our access to live stats.

Well, AFL, you can forget it. DT is not a patch on SC and its regard for the effectiveness of a player in the game rather than simply his ability to rack up numbers. I don't care if there is never another live SC stat again, I won't play Dream Team while Super Coach is here. But I guess this shows the AFL itself is not interested in effectiveness either (ie a quality product) .... just in racking up big advertising $$.

Apologies for venting a little frustration folks.

Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Kenji on June 21, 2009, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: Cool9 on April 14, 2009, 09:24:43 AM
Re: Today's story in the Australian. (see link from Prospector_1 above). Makes very interesting reading. To paraphrase, it seems AFL has blocked access to live Telstra feeds for SC stats in order to improve participation in DT. This is because SuperCoach is now far more popoular than AFL-backed Dream Team competition.

This is an extremely disappointing repsonse from the AFL, but unfortunately all too typical. Rather than improve their inferior product (DT), they try to 'market' (ie dupe) us into thinking DT is a better product and remove the competition from SC by blocking our access to live stats.

Well, AFL, you can forget it. DT is not a patch on SC and its regard for the effectiveness of a player in the game rather than simply his ability to rack up numbers. I don't care if there is never another live SC stat again, I won't play Dream Team while Super Coach is here. But I guess this shows the AFL itself is not interested in effectiveness either (ie a quality product) .... just in racking up big advertising $$.

Apologies for venting a little frustration folks.

Do you have any sources to your claims? Because you made some big (seemingly biased) calls there.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Prospector_1 on June 21, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Read the story?

"The AFL and Telstra's BigPond fantasy league Dream Team has moved to try to close the gap on the leading game, News Limited's Super Coach, by closing down access for consumers who play Super Coach to the live statistical feeds previously available free online."

"The decision by the AFL to block access to Telstra's Game Day Live statistics feeds, which give second-by-second details of player statistics during games to non-Dream Team players, has angered some footy fans. Bloggers on Fanfooty.com.au said they were frustrated at no longer being able to get live stats."

... A News source said: "Telstra was very upset and the AFL has shut it (live stats) down to protect the investment of Telstra. It also raises issues on how the next deal for game data is done."
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Cool9 on June 22, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
Kenji, I didn't make any claims. Just paraphrased the story from the Oz newspaper then provided my opinion which of course reflects my personal bias.

This is an old discussion now but still hasn't been resolved so is still relevant. No signs of being fixed this season but here's hoping we don't have a similar farce next year. Bring back live SC stats.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: oz scotty on July 03, 2009, 10:49:06 AM
thay up date on too serious ( http://tooserious.net/?page=main) then go to game day.but do change a bit at the end of the game. hope this is a help :)
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: m0nty on July 03, 2009, 12:28:45 PM
Quote from: oz scotty on July 03, 2009, 10:49:06 AM
thay up date on too serious ( http://tooserious.net/?page=main) then go to game day.but do change a bit at the end of the game. hope this is a help :)

Actually the live scores on too serious are wrong, they are not Super Coach scores.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Prospector_1 on July 03, 2009, 12:42:28 PM
Aha, m0nty is a contributor - you beaut m0nty.

Now, is there somewhere where we can all get the detail on that please?
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: MissPies on March 27, 2010, 02:58:30 PM
There was live scores, you just need to click on league/live..not head to head
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: ossie85 on March 27, 2010, 09:32:15 PM

They weren't live Miss Pies.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Phar_que2 on April 05, 2010, 09:39:03 AM
Link for 1/4 by 1/4 SC scores

www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-scores-round-2/story-e6frf9jf-1225848645367
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Prospector_1 on April 05, 2010, 09:52:53 AM
Don't think this does it either, anyway I can't make it work ...

http://liveplay.championdata.com/applet.html (http://liveplay.championdata.com/applet.html)
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Resch on April 05, 2010, 10:06:12 PM
Quote from: Prospector_1 on April 05, 2010, 09:52:53 AM
Don't think this does it either, anyway I can't make it work ...

http://liveplay.championdata.com/applet.html (http://liveplay.championdata.com/applet.html)

Tried updating your Java?
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Prospector_1 on April 06, 2010, 01:33:34 AM
Yep.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Resch on April 06, 2010, 02:52:47 AM
I haven't looked at it this year but will have a look today and see if it is working for me.  Just says "no live games" atm.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: alman on April 06, 2010, 02:58:26 AM
Heraldsun provide quartery sc scores on the website.... Not live but close enough. I try not to look at them as aren't a very good predictor of the final sc score - better off looking at the stats: efficiency%, contested possessions, contested marks, goals and tackles - all provide a good indicator.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Pravis on April 06, 2010, 05:37:44 AM
No live scores on ff?
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Alex7089 on April 06, 2010, 05:38:57 AM
I'm not getting them either, feedback is the place though.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Pravis on April 06, 2010, 05:39:27 AM
kk
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Resch on April 06, 2010, 05:46:36 AM
Quote from: Resch on April 06, 2010, 02:52:47 AM
I haven't looked at it this year but will have a look today and see if it is working for me.  Just says "no live games" atm.

Checked and works for me.  Only DT scores though.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: sparky on April 06, 2010, 05:48:30 AM
what's feedback?
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: ossie85 on April 06, 2010, 05:48:52 AM

Scroll down and you'll see a 'feedback' section of the forum
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Master Q on April 06, 2010, 08:51:55 AM
The scores are know all over the site, i posted mine in the AFL section.
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: ossie85 on April 06, 2010, 09:10:16 AM

They are also on your supercoach 'league/live' page!
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Master Q on April 06, 2010, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on April 06, 2010, 09:10:16 AM

They are also on your supercoach 'league/live' page!
TY ossie ;D !
Title: Re: Why no live super coach scores?
Post by: Blueboys on April 06, 2010, 02:38:58 PM
Woops! hahahaha  ;D