What trade's in AFL's short history have been considered the worst???
I reckon the amount of effort freo put into grabbing des headland and the return they've seen put's the trade right up there in contention.
What are some others?
Fremantle traded picks who turned out to be Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell and Daniel Elstone for Trent Croad and Luke McPharlin. Only for Croad to go back to Hawthorn and win a flag in return for Ryley Dunn.
That's a fail IMO
I agree the trade debarcle to get Croad and then offload him were terrible.
I'd say Lovett for a first round pick would go close to the worst ever
Only because the Saints sacked him.
Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
Quote from: Bluke on April 21, 2010, 07:50:10 AM
Only because the Saints sacked him.
Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
Whatever happened to listening to your coach and teammates and not going out after his curfew?
Name a player who has been sacked for breaking curfew? Lots of suspensions I will admit.
I'm a firm believer that these players are not role models, should not be held in such regard and make human mistakes. Just like you and I. I'm not justifying his (in)actions. But the egalitarian presumption of innocence is the backbone of our legal system. I don't like to see football clubs and the media usurping this core ideal.
[edit] Sorry for hijacking the thread. Back on topic. Freos trades must be up there. The Croad trade probably takes the cake, but there have been so many! Headland, Modra, Farmer, Johnson. So much potential, all washed up.
Hey Bluke don't forget the Josh Carr double trade debauchery. I remember everyone of them and have felt the pain from all of those trades. Loving the more recent trade moves we have made and looking forward to the benefits in a few years time.
Lovett without a doubt
no games , sacked and backwards @ 1 000 000 in cash
well done ross lyon :P
Quote from: CFC 1979 on April 21, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
Lovett without a doubt
no games , sacked and backwards @ 1 000 000 in cash
well done ross lyon :P
Dont forget the bad publicity as well
Fremantle traded Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom before the start of the 1995 season.
Also I'm pretty sure Sydney traded or sold both Longmire and Carey to North Melbourne for next to nothing in the late 80s
(for just 60k for Longmire and 10k for Carey according to http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/chasing-down-the-kangaroos/story-e6frexx0-1111117383317)
The Fremantle talent scouts certainly have done their jobs well the last couple years.
Getting your trades right is so important, and can go horribly wrong. Look at Richmond and Melbourne. Fremantle have got it right the last few years, but it's been an expensive lesson. Melbourne haven't done too bad I spose. I still don't know if Jack Watts will be a winner. I hope for Melbourne's sake he comes good
Quote from: Bluke on April 21, 2010, 10:54:34 AM
Name a player who has been sacked for breaking curfew? Lots of suspensions I will admit.
It's a fair call, but Barry Hall got sacked for breaking team rules, Ben Cousins also, Rhyce Shaw and Chris Tarrant were traded, and lets not forget Brendan Fevola.
Lovett was clearly told what was expected of him, and literally that very night broke the rules and (guilty or not guilty) put himself in a horrible position.
Quote from: Bluke on April 21, 2010, 10:54:34 AMI'm a firm believer that these players are not role models, should not be held in such regard and make human mistakes.
I agree that they shouldn't be role models, but I don't think you can deny that they are. In my current public service work contract, I'm expected to abide by the Australian Public Service code of conduct. So if I embarrassed myself publically, I'd get sacked also. The only difference is the AFL players get paid more than I do, and yes, they do get more media scrutiny. But AFL is a business, and the players aren't just hired for the football ability, they are also hired to represent the club and make them money through good PR.
Quote from: Bluke on April 21, 2010, 10:54:34 AM
Just like you and I. I'm not justifying his (in)actions. But the egalitarian presumption of innocence is the backbone of our legal system. I don't like to see football clubs and the media usurping this core ideal.
I agree with your comment about the media. But the football clubs make money through public perception, and Lovett is guilty of breaking team rules, I don't think that is in question.
Consider this thread hijacked.
No doubt, he broke team rules. But for a first offence you could expect a club imposed suspension something like Stokes or Connors received. The Saints instead sacked him, presupposing his guilt. Tainting not only the Media's perception of the case, but the jury pool as well.
Bad call on behalf of the Saints IMO and they have only themselves to blame. They will have to pay him out eventually, and theres every chance he will get off and then get re drafted (Nathan Kraukour is tearing it up in the WAFL, wonder if any club would be willing to take a punt on him with GCFC coming in next season)
(Did they sack Milne and Montagne back in 04? Double standard?)
Barry Hall, Ben Cousins, Fev, are all serial offenders.
I guess we will wait and see if Cousins or Hall slip up significantly and the Dogs/Tigers response.
QuoteI agree that they shouldn't be role models, but I don't think you can deny that they are.
I do agree.
=)
Yeah, the Saints handled it badly. If they were going to sack him, they should have sacked him as soon as it happen, rather than wait until official charges were laid which made them look like they were assuming guilt.
He wasn't a first-time offender though, not if you take into account his record at Essendon.
I was surprised they took a punt on him in the first place. Still, they should have at least waited on the outcome of the trial. Now Lovett is taking them to the Fair Work Australia tribunal. Would be costing them so much in legal fees etc etc.
I can understand them taking a punt on Lovett but not Peake, but so far it seems to be working
Quote from: valkorum on April 22, 2010, 06:40:37 AM
I can understand them taking a punt on Lovett but not Peake, but so far it seems to be working
They are great midfielders, but none with pace to burn. Peake and Lovett were recruited to fill this void.
I understand that HP, just wonder why ex Freo players always seem to play better once we make the stupid trade.
Peter Bell
Jeff White
Jess Sinclair
Trent Croad (although he was Hawthorns to start with, but he played his best footy when he went back)
(so far) now Peake
Can't beat a seachange I guess.
Quote from: Bluke on April 21, 2010, 07:50:10 AM
Only because the Saints sacked him.
Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
Ok sorry to bring this up but. Since when does a footy player have to force Se* upon anyone? ...I think he is innocent.
Even the last man standing at the bar that closes at midnight can get a Roo*. She may be errr on the gross side but still. Beer goggles do wonders right guys?..She didn't LOVETT? PAAAALEEEESE!
Quote from: valkorum on April 22, 2010, 02:14:29 PM
I understand that HP, just wonder why ex Freo players always seem to play better once we make the stupid trade.
Peter Bell
Jeff White
Jess Sinclair
Trent Croad (although he was Hawthorns to start with, but he played his best footy when he went back)
(so far) now Peake
They should of reviewed their recruiting department earlier after trading away all of them :o
Add James Clement, Paul Medhurst, Jeff White and Andrew McLeod to that list....
Jeff White was already on the list. I also heard a rumour back in the day that we overlooked Lloyd in the draft
Hindsight is a marvelous thing. You make the best decisions based on the information you have at the time. Some work, some don't. I think your teams football scouts are among the most important people. They hold the clubs future in their hands to a certain extent.
Quote from: bunyip on April 23, 2010, 03:46:51 AM
Hindsight is a marvelous thing. You make the best decisions based on the information you have at the time. Some work, some don't. I think your teams football scouts are among the most important people. They hold the clubs future in their hands to a certain extent.
Absolutely the point I was trying to make. Freo have had TERRIBLE recruiting staff since we started in the comp in '95. Over the last few years we have made the necessary changes to that department and the dividends are starting to show through. Going to be a really testing time for the recruiting staff for next couple of years drafts - with so many early selections not availble for the 16 clubs.
You may have got it right in the nick of time :)
QuoteOk sorry to bring this up but. Since when does a footy player have to force Se* upon anyone? ...I think he is innocent.
Even the last man standing at the bar that closes at midnight can get a Roo*. She may be errr on the gross side but still. Beer goggles do wonders right guys?..She didn't LOVETT? PAAAALEEEESE!
I'm going to try and forget I ever read this ignorant dribble.
Are you even female? Crap like that suggests to me that you may be masquerading, or are you just stupid?
I'd ignore the troll :) They smell funny
Quote from: ossie85 on April 23, 2010, 04:48:23 AM
I'd ignore the troll :) They smell funny
Well what do you expect when trolls live under a bridge for a living :P
Quote from: Hellopplz on April 23, 2010, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on April 23, 2010, 04:48:23 AM
I'd ignore the troll :) They smell funny
Well what do you expect when trolls live under a bridge for a living :P
I heard there was one who didn't have a shower for over a week.
getting back to footy boys, Geelong have definately made the absolute worst trade in history. Back in the 80's while our coach Billy Goggin Who I consider was a GREAT coach, was on holidays overseas, we sacked him and hired Tom Hafey. He was at the club for 3 years, didn't even get us in the finals (after Billy had got the same team into 2 pre-lims) and when he went to Sydney took Peter Tooey, Craig Bolton, and Diesal Williams with him. We didn't recover for years after that. The whole board should have resigned after that one
Quote from: gerco on April 21, 2010, 12:36:17 PM
Fremantle traded Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom before the start of the 1995 season.
Yup and at the same time they traded away Matthew Lloyd and Scott Lucas. Look up Wikipedia for a full list of the stupid trades. The Trent Croad one would have to be the worst ever though.
Croad is up there