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Quick 1st draft of my team. I'll work around the rookies once I start seeing them play but I'm not unhappy with the structure.
Think you might have a hard time maintaining that structure - 4 cheap def rookies is looking very unlikely
Hill is certain to play round 1 unless he gets injured so I'm locking him into D4. After that I need 4 of Young, McAsey, Williamson, Rivers, Starcevich, Gould, Ling, Stoddart, Bianco and Ash.
You also have Ben McKay with Tarrant missing some time but his scoring will likely be awful.
Plus there are always a few surprises in pre-season so the rookies will change.
Quote from: Mat0369 on February 12, 2020, 08:39:04 PM
Hill is certain to play round 1 unless he gets injured so I'm locking him into D4. After that I need 4 of Young, McAsey, Williamson, Rivers, Starcevich, Gould, Ling, Stoddart, Bianco and Ash.
You also have Ben McKay with Tarrant missing some time but his scoring will likely be awful.
Plus there are always a few surprises in pre-season so the rookies will change.
Most of those guys aren't cheap rookies though - you'll need to make sacrifices elsewhere to get the funds to get them
Bianco is next to no chance from what I've read, and Rivers seems to be very popular but I can't understand why
Hopefully we get a few surprises like you say
Decent enough starting point to work from when we know who's playing. Nic Nat is a high risk high reward as his goal is to play every game this season, not sure what the coaching staff/docs think about that though. Hell prob be dragged kicking and screaming for a rest at least once or twice this season if he indeed stays healthy.
Pretty similar to my current team, just defense is different.
As you've said, the side will change when we get to know some of the rookies better throughout the pre-season matches, but looks good.
Best of luck during the season! :)
Identical structure to me, very similar team in fact,so hard to fault.
Instead of Lloyd/Howe/Kelly/Steven I've got Sicily/Houston/Macrae/Wingard
Nic Nat such great value, need to take a risk somewhere to have the balance across all lines.
Kelly too injury prone and Lloyd unless regaining kick ins too expensive imo.
Wingard could become Steven for me depending on who is looking more likely for mid time
Howe is a decent POD
Lloyd has had back to back seasons where he has finished as the top defender. He dropped from a 112 average to a 109 average, however his numbers all went up and he had less games in which he didn't hit the ton. These were his scores under 100
Round 8 - 83
Round 15 - 62
Round 19 - 88
Round 20 - 85
Round 21 - 85
Round 22 - 89
He is pretty damn consistent and he will take the majority of the kick outs which sees him have that high floor.
I have some other drafts that I have been mucking around with. The team I posted is basically from when SC opened. I have been mucking around with some different combos including Ceglar at R2 to maximise my keepers and one just pure guns and rookies.
I started Lloyd last year and he was awesome.
His scores in last part of the year declined, it seemed someone else was kicking in more (can't remember who now) so that's my main concern with him. Does this continue or will he be the main kicker again?
Quote from: ubeaut on February 23, 2020, 01:14:49 PM
I started Lloyd last year and he was awesome.
His scores in last part of the year declined, it seemed someone else was kicking in more (can't remember who now) so that's my main concern with him. Does this continue or will he be the main kicker again?
Lloyds scores declined when Dawson started playing back there iirc.
Dawson moved to HB Round 14. The Gold Coast game was at the back end of the year but he had his lowest disposal count of the season that game and backed that up a couple weeks later with a 42 touch game. I think that particular game was more Lloyd sucking compared to Dawson hurting him. He had a 98.5 average from when Dawson moved to HB, but he also averaged 102.25 in the last 8. It was a bit of a dip, but it still puts him top 3 with his high floor. I still prefer him to just about every defender not named Docherty.
So the rookies are pretty trash by the looks of it. All the ones that looked decent in Marsh 1 barely got a run in Marsh 2. I have made some adjustments and I might end up rolling with this come R1.
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Doc and Howe are my two keepers down back. Noble looks to be the best of the back rookies but comes at a premium price. Ash/Zerk-Thatcher could both flop, Watson is maybe a D8 at best and Williams has a chance to be Nic Nat's back up so I'll go with him in that D6 spot. Gould looked excellent but I unfortunately think Lewy Taylor's performance today will keep him out. Williamson is the other defensive rookie I'm keeping an eye on.
I had to cull Neale down to Danger to be able to turn Starcevich into Zerk-Thatcher. I have gone 6 deep in the midfield because this looks like an absolute mess for rookies. Rowell and Green both look the goods, but after that Pickett has job security but may not be a scorer, Robertson and Budarick may not play and I wouldn't want to even field them.
Grundy and Nic Nat seems the go for the rucks. Yeah I could drop down to Sauce for more cash, but I don't like Sauce as an option. Gawn is obviously choice 1 but I feel Nic Nat as a stepping stone helps me capitalise points so I can start 6 premo mids.
Forward line I have done some juggling around. I was running with 3 forwards over 400k, Dev and Steven at one point, but I found the cash by turning Lloyd into Howe to grab the uber mid instead. I think that is 99% the forward line I will run with. Only change might be Brander to the backs, Budarick forward and a rookie mid in if there is one.
Guys I have been looking at but sacrificed for structure.
Lloyd - I had him locked in at D1 for the majority of the pre-season.
Neale - Turned him into Danger to free up cash for rookies
Toby Greene - Ultimate burn man but if I'm picking a forward in the 500k bracket that I am confident will finish top 10 sans Dusty, Whitfield and Walters it's him. Has looked great all pre-season
Petracca - Looked ready to break out. I really want to start him, but I'm not moving on any of Whitfield, Martin, Steven and Dev.
Brayshaw - Could have a third year break out and average 90ish. Tempting but see the others.
Ceglar - Number 1 ruck looks interesting in that he provides ruck cover as well. That DPP is the reason to pick him above the others.
TMac - If I need to go 5 forwards deep he is one of the mid 300k mid price options I'm considering
Acres - Hamstring injury is the cross
If I am starting to get desperate these guys present value
Fort - Could be the number 1 ruck at the Cats and is under 300k. Looked pretty mobile against the Bombers and would be a break glass in case of emergency kind of guy
Narkle - Instead of spending 300k on a forward, I could grab Narkle as a mid stepping stone. Spent a hell of a lot of time in the CB's in both games. Once Selwood and Duncan are back that could change, but under 400k and averaged over the ton in 3 games last year. Possibly a breakout.
Ed Curnow - Under 500k and had big numbers when he moved back into the midfield when Teague took over last year.
Gaff/Yeo - Under 600k prems I see benefiting from the Kelly/Nic Nat inclusions.
Gibbs - 90 average at his price isn't out of the question
Rowbottom - Looks to be playing predominantly through the guts. Don't know if he averages enough to be a keeper.
Vandenberg/Butler/Shultz - Forwards upwards of 200k that should have spots if they aren't injured and could get cash gen rolling with some 90's. Probably would look at them in the order of Shultz/Vandenberg/Butler
Probably some others I'm missing as well.
Nice Team Matt.
Most teams seem to be running with Rowell, Green and Pickett as m6 - M8 so if you need to strengthen other lines will not lose ground.
Prefer to see Noble at D4 but your team and ho with gut,
For what it is worth reckon Starcevich, Robertson, Ah Chee will be vying for last position at Lions.
Good luck and team no doubt will change when we get final teams next week.
yeah I like this team, not a fan of 2 fwd rookie starters this yr, but you could have the right balance
really like the Howe pick, I have placed him in my team also after looking into him - last 9 games played avg over 100, yet priced at just under 80. now thats bloody good value.
I also am a massive fan of the Howe pick. Could easily go 90+ this year and that screams value.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 11, 2020, 04:49:17 PM
I also am a massive fan of the Howe pick. Could easily go 90+ this year and that screams value.
I think Howes scoring depends heavily on the defenders around him, probably more so than any other. If he has to play accountable and doesn’t get to be 3rd up then i can easily see sub 90avg. If the pies key backs are fit and healthy then he can go 95+ easily.
So my starting team was the following
Sicily, Doc, Howe, Noble, Zerk-Thatcher, McAsey (Starcevich, Brander)
Macrae, Kelly, Cripps, Bont, Danger, Rowell, Green, McInerney (Pickett, Budarick, Brown)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Williams)
Whitfield, Dusty, Petracca, Dev, Taylor, Cavarra (King, Davis)
Total score: 2174
Rank: 19856
I made the following trades this past week
Zerk-Thatcher - Cameron using Williams
Davis - Bennell using Budarick
Green - Rivers
Cavarra - Young using Brander
Team this week was
Sicily, Doc, Howe, Noble, Young, Starcevich (McAsey, Williams)
Macrae, Kelly, Cripps, Bont, Danger, Rowell, Pickett, Bennell (McInerney, Brown, Rivers)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Cameron)
Whitfield, Dusty, Petracca, Dev, Taylor, Brander (King, Budarick)
Score: 2117
Overall: 27336
My midfield premiums are slaughtering me. No Neale and having Macrae, Bont, Danger and Kelly has been a death sentence. None of them have scored more than 110 yet.
I currently have one trade lined up for this week. I'm thinking McAsey to Pittonet using some Brander and Cameron DPP magic.
Instead of using Cameron and Brander DPP magic I'm using Cameron, Budarick/Dusty and Rivers DPP magic instead. I'll probably go with the following lineup
Sicily, Doc, Howe, Noble, Rivers, Starcevich (Young, Williams)
Macrae, Kelly, Cripps, Bont, Danger, Rowell, Pickett, McInerney (Dusty, Brown, Bennell)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Pittonet)
Whitfield, Petracca, Dev, Taylor, Brander, Cameron (King, Budarick)
Captaincy I'm thinking either Josh Kelly into Grundy or Grundy into Cripps/Danger
I ended up doing McAsey to Pittonet and Martin to Selwood last week. It left me with the following team
Sicily, Doc, Howe, Noble, Young, Starcevich (Rivers, Williams)
Macrae, Cripps, Bont, Danger, Selwood, Rowell, Pickett, Brown (Bennell, McInerney, Kelly)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Pittonet)
Whitfield, Cameron, Taylor, Brander, King, Budarick (Petracca, Dev)
Cripps was my captain and I scored a whopping 1852 to have me ranked 27,895
This week I made the following trades
Whitfield to Simpkin and Williams to Williamson
Team is looking like this
Sicily, Doc, Howe, Noble, Starcevich, Rivers (Young, Williamson)
Macrae, Kelly, Cripps, Bont, Danger, Selwood, Rowell, McInerney (Brown, Bennell, Pickett)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Pittonet)
Simpkin, Petracca, Dev, Taylor, Brander, Budarick (Cameron, King)
Howe will need to go next week so I'll make my judgements at the end of the round.
Final score for the week is 2246. Overall is now 14,451
Inital thoughts were to downgrade Howe to Hill and downgrade my worst performing rookie to Green/Serong/Mahoney/Butler to keep the cash gen going. I currently have $97,300 in the bank and cash gen will be key to finishing off my side.
The other option is the points. I could trade Howe to a premium and not lose those points by starting Hill on field. The two guys I'd consider would be Lloyd and Daniel. Stewart would be the other but he is also injured.
I can go the inbetween option and grab Ridley to pocket some cash and get a potential premium/keeper. He looks like a gun and I thought he would take a step into a potential 90 average last year.
I currently have Pitto sitting on my bench with Nic Nat at R2. That's a lot of points/cash to be left on my bench. I'm also thinking Nic Nat out to bring in a premium forward. I could also hold him a week and straight swap to Whitfield
I dropped this in the trades thread
I currently have Grundy, Nic Nat and Pittonet as my three rucks. I was thinking that I should trade Nic Nat this week because I have Pitto sitting on my bench and it feels like it's a lot of points to be sitting there right now. The cash from Nic Nat could have been utilised to send a rookie to the bench and trade in a premium.
Now that the games have been flipped about, it turns out Pitto plays on Thursday and I'm thinking of using my trades for an effective loophole. I put the E on Pittonet, if he scores trash I keep Nic Nat and trade a rookie. If he scores 90 or higher I dump Nic Nat to a premium and bank the points.
Here is a list of my other rookies and their B/E's
Starcevich - 11 keep
Noble - 17 keep
Rivers - -15 keep
Young - -21 keep
Williamson - -26 keep
Rowell - 21 Brownlow
Pickett - 29 hold
Brown - 2 keep
McInereny - -1 keep
Bennell - -11 keep
Taylor - 39 unsure
Brander - 12 unsure
Budarick - 1 keep
King - 33 keep
Cameron - -16 keep
They all have lowish BE's and cash still to make. Brander had a bit of a stinker last week so the cash gen could slow. Taylor is plodding with back to back poor scores but still has cash to make. King and Pickett haven't made enough cash to be worth trading. I'm thinking it has to be one of Taylor or Brander out in that situation. If I am downgrading Hill makes the most sense. I can also upgrade to someone like a Ceglar if I trade Howe to Ridley.
If I trade out Nic Nat I could get a combo of Ridley and Walters or Lloyd/Daniel and Smith. The other option is I do Howe to Hill and Nic Nat to a premium to try and do the upgrade the following week to Whitfield who will have that awful 8 out of his rotating average. If I trade Howe to Ridley this week that leaves me with the option of also making a Brander to any player 580k and under if the prices change enough. That could see me grab any premium forward/defender that isn't Lloyd/Walters and under.
In the end I'll be moving Nic Nat over the next fortnight, it's just if I pull the trigger this week. The quick summary of options is
Howe and Taylor to Ridley and Hill
Howe and Taylor to Ridley and Ceglar
Howe and Taylor to Daniel/Lloyd and Hill
Howe and Nic Nat to Daniel/Lloyd and Smith
Howe and Nic Nat to Ridley and Walters
Howe and Nic Nat to Hill and Walters/Smith
Any thoughts?
Giving my thoughts to you Mat is like trying to teach Bradman or Smith how to bat.
Appreciate the clarity of your thought processes and how you document them.
FWIW
Uncertainty on McKenna's return and impact on Ridley - hopefully minimal as I brought Ridley in for the abandoned game and think he is ripe to break out this year.
Ceglar is a great option for FWD keeper and ruck backup, will end up F6/7 Scoring ruck/fwds will end up ranking high -top 10-15 fwds for the year. Agree with you Lloyd is needed Q is will he be cheaper down the track. Daniel is a great choice as he is such a good user of the ball that SC scoring is always rewarded.
Walters continues to perform consistently, I have been biased against selecting him over the past two years as my perception was he lacked consistency. Maybe I am wrong, you would be paying top dollar for him though.
For me this week with your options probably Hill/Ceglar or Daniel/Hill.
Nic Nat up against Sinclair this week so should return better score. Would you have enough cash to do Howe to Daniel and Taylor to Cegler if Pitt scores more than 90?
Well Sinclair and Naismith are both out! Gotta hold Nic Nat now. I'm thinking Noble to Hill since he has been dropped and then using Brander to loophole Williamson and Rivers via some DPP magic.
I did not have the cash for Daniel and Ceglar doing the upgrade in that case and still can't. I'm basically tossing up Daniel and Ridley at this point. I understand the skepticism around McKenna, and he would take the kick outs, but it is a different role since Ridley is an intercept player.
Thanks for the feedback guys, I had a feeling plans would change once teams were out but the shuffling has forced me to probably bit the bullet a little early here.
In Ridley and Hill for Howe and Noble. It also left me with 299k. That will allow me to turn Taylor or Pickett into a premium. I'm leaning towards Taylor to Whitfield next week
Nice Trades. Whitfield has a B/E of 186 this week so will drop even further so keep an eye on that next week as well as you may be able to upgrade elsewhere and get Whitfield in 2 weeks.
I believe the 8 comes out of his rotation next week do his BE is projected to be 91 if he scores 74 this week. He may still have a price drop next week but it will likely be minimal and more likely to increase
Quote from: Mat0369 on July 04, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
I believe the 8 comes out of his rotation next week do his BE is projected to be 91 if he scores 74 this week. He may still have a price drop next week but it will likely be minimal and more likely to increase
Agree next week is the right time for whitfield. tossing up viney/pickett for green/serong as my last trade this week. will upgrade someone to whitfield next week and hopefully noble/hurn.
What peoples thoughts on green v serong
I prefer Green but don't trust GWS. I think Serong will get more opportunity
Scored 1956 for the week and ranked 14939 overall. Looks like I may have some issues coming up this week. Team below
Sicily, Doc, Ridley, Starcevich, Hill, Young (Rivers Williamson)
Macrae, Kelly, Cripps, Bont, Danger, Selwood, Rowell, McInerney (Brown, Bennell, Pickett)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Pittonet)
Simpkin, Petracca, Dev, Taylor, Brander, Budarick (Cameron, King)
Rowell needs to go and Whitfield is the player that makes the most sense with his 71 BE and pocketing 30k.
Starcevich has a 70 BE and is almost 300k. I think trading him makes the most sense. It would either be an upgrade to Yeo which also leaves me with 145k in cash or a downgrade to Aarts which leaves me with 500k in cash.
My other problems
Budarick - BE 61, poor score on the weekend and is only about 230k. I'd say he will hold his spot, but he needs a decent score to get the cash gen going again.
Tyler Brown - See Budarick, but his spot is in doubt
Bennell - Will Goodwin actually play him?
Pickett - Does he come back in and can he string a few good games together?
Brander - Out with injury, does he come back into a winning Eagles team?
McInerney - Does he hold his spot?
Rivers - See McInerney but would be in even more doubt
Dev - Back to back 70's after back to back 105's
Bont - Spud outside of one game
Selwood - Close to serving his purpose of the cash grab, actually went backwards this week. Stepping stone time has to be in the next 3 weeks since his scoring dried up
Danger - Meh
Nic Nat - Is just about done serving his purpose. 508k averaging 100 with a BE of 115.
Pittonet - 435k and 76 BE. Same boat as Nic Nat with cash drying up soon.
Guys on my watch list to trade in
Bailey Smith- In two weeks he could be close to a straight swap for Taylor. Lock and load.
Cunnington - Will be a juicy price when he is fit.
Treloar/Adams - I'm intersted to see if Adams scoring takes a dip with Treloar back and if Treloar is a nice POD
Duncan - The actual premium Geelong mid
Parker - Ultimate POD and someone I've been keen on a while
Gaff - About to take a nice dip in price and see Parker
Hurn - Could be a great pick as they head back to Perth
Daniel and Lloyd - Safe premium defenders to grab when they dip a little
Stewart - Locked into D6 when he returns and goes through his price drop
JPK - Will he bounce back? Could also be a nice POD
Neale - Killing me every week but I can't pay top dollar
Gawn - Nic Nat/Pitto become him eventually
Parfitt - Intersting POD, but can he stay healthy?
All have similar dilemas Matt. Brander to Aarts netts a nice 112k profit for upgrades. I am looking at that but awaiting injury reports and teams. Not alone with similar thoughts on Parker and Treloar.
Although Starc has the high B/e his position is secure at the moment so may want to look at those with less JS. Starc has taken Witherdens role and would need a drastic drop off to lose it.
Love your precis
Interested to know your thoughts on the forwards, especially as no mention of Martin?
For me I am carrying Martin and have lucked in with Simpkin and Butler
I would love to add Whitfield to the mix just worried about the injuries that he seems to pick up
But once you add him who next?
Brayshaw (Fremantle)?
Quote from: Ringo on July 06, 2020, 02:25:40 PM
All have similar dilemas Matt. Brander to Aarts netts a nice 112k profit for upgrades. I am looking at that but awaiting injury reports and teams. Not alone with similar thoughts on Parker and Treloar.
Although Starc has the high B/e his position is secure at the moment so may want to look at those with less JS. Starc has taken Witherdens role and would need a drastic drop off to lose it.
Starcevich may also bleed cash and being the highest priced he seems the most logical. Brown will hopefully sit on my bench and if Pickett returns I can afford the slow burn. Same with Budarick.
Is there also a reason Starcevich couldn't find the pill at all? Looking at the tracker it felt like he was on donuts the first quarter.
Quote from: RoughRed on July 07, 2020, 12:18:21 AM
Love your precis
Interested to know your thoughts on the forwards, especially as no mention of Martin?
For me I am carrying Martin and have lucked in with Simpkin and Butler
I would love to add Whitfield to the mix just worried about the injuries that he seems to pick up
But once you add him who next?
Brayshaw (Fremantle)?
Whitfield this week, Smith from the Dogs in a fortnight when he bottoms out. It would give me Simpkin, Whitfield, Trac and Smith x2 with one spot to fill.
I started with Dustin but traded when he got injured. Now that they're moving out of Melbourne I don't know if it's worth bringing him in. I'd be curious to see his scores outside of the MCG. I'd lean towards Walters who's about to head home for a crazy run of games.
Yep Matt - Starcevich Donuts in first quarter just one of the cases where he was where the ball was not. Came into it with 4 tackles and 3 intercept marks. Has a B/e of 70 so may not bleed a lot of cash. Either way probably as you say near his peak and makes sense to trade if all falls your way. Rookie hell the last few weeks.
I think your initial trade plans are fine. Whitfield and Yeo in. Could always go Selwood to Yeo instead of Starc, I don't know what Selwood's BE is but if he's not a keeper for you then yeah look to ship him. Then use the cash next week :)
I ended up holding Starcevich and trading Brown. I figured it may be worth having the extra defensive rookie that was playing but I didn't expect him to score THAT bad.
I scored 1977 and moved up the rankings to 12435 with Doc captain and Hayden Young on field. My team at the end of the round
Doc, Sicily, Ridley, Starcevich, Young, Williamson (Brander, Rivers)
Cripps, Macrae, Danger, Bont, Kelly, Selwood, Yeo, Pickett (Bennell, Budarick, McInerney)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Pittonet)
Simpkin, Petracca, Whitfield, Smith, Hill, Taylor (King, Cameron)
Trades for this week will likely be Young and Taylor to Rankine and Simpson. It will leave me with the following
Doc, Sicily, Ridley, Starcevich, Hill, Williamson (Brander, Rivers)
Cripps, Macrae, Danger, Bont, Kelly, Selwood, Yeo, Pickett (Bennell, Simpson, McInerney)
Grundy, Nic Nat (Pittonet)
Simpkin, Petracca, Whitfield, Smith, King, Rankine (Budarick, Cameron)
384k in the bank and I can do Pitto/Nic Nat to the Dogs Smith and Starcevich to a defensive premium potentially next week.
Solid Trades and nice bank for next week. Just need to ensure Starcis named this week or Brander or Rivers start,
Selwood injured meant I'd get a bit more aggressive. I was going to do Nic Nat to Smith but with Cameron locked out that meant I couldn't do that. Ended up passing on Rankine and pulled the trigger on Taylor to Smith a week early.