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With Port Adelaide already having their bye, it seems a lot of us are looking at bringing in one of their forward premiums.

Thought it would be worthy of a discussion to see who everyone's targeting.

Gray is having a fantastic year, but the Tom Rockliff factor is a huge roadblock for him getting serious midfield minutes. He does have the ability to kick 5 in a game and post a monster score, but being in around 25% of teams perhaps he's not worth the price tag?

Boak has been playing some great footy in the past month, and looks to be getting a fair share of midfield time. He does tend to have quiet spells, but could be a consistent POD (only in 4% of teams currently).

Westhoff is the one that's hard to place. Has had a few 140s already this year, and his floor looks to be around the mid-80s which is what you want from a forward. He's never averaged over 100 for a season, but with Trengove gone he's taking a good share of the ruck load which looks to continue with Ryder's issues.

Waiting a week could be the smart move, but keen to see who everyone's considering.

I'm waiting a week and looking at all 3 - Rocky won't come into my team, I only have 1 mid spot and waiting for Macrae to drop a little (or to have the cash to buy at full price!) but want to see how he goes with Gray. One of Hoff or Gray likely to come into my fwd line soon.

I would go Boak, when in doubt pick the mid he is the cheapest at 485k too.

Gray is obviously the best but as an owner im worried about his role he is also the most expensive.

Hoff is probably your middle ground but boak has pretty much been just as solid, just hasnt put up the huge games.

Personally im going none and im going to bring in walters. Cheaper then all of them and these are in hisnumbers taking out the injury game

83 116 132 72 98 82 146 = 104 average at 420k im taking him plus 60k over boak. Then if you have another fwd spot look for one of the above guys next week.

Great Topic,

Ill be grabbing Hoff next week. Still got a 115 BE so wont go up to much this week.

Not a port player but ill be grabbing Aaron Hall this week. Playing the quarter back role and will average 110 over byes which will be more than any port player will average over byes. Hopefully he makes some money then ill trade once byes are over

Quote from: strikeforce on May 29, 2018, 11:32:11 AM
Great Topic,

Ill be grabbing Hoff next week. Still got a 115 BE so wont go up to much this week.

Not a port player but ill be grabbing Aaron Hall this week. Playing the quarter back role and will average 110 over byes which will be more than any port player will average over byes. Hopefully he makes some money then ill trade once byes are over

Seems like a giant waste of 2 trades for maybe ~80k profit (best case scenario)

Players at that price you'd ideally want to keep for the rest of the season.

We get 3 trades next week right?

Sounds like this will be a good week to build the war chest, watch how the Port guys go and then grab 2 of them next week

I am currently not interested in any of these guys, assuming Gray does not return to the midfield.

Will have 5 forward premiums & Fritsch after I bring in Walters this week. Mitch Robinson in the frontrunner for my last spot as it stands.

Ill bring in Boak this week, think he is the most reliable of the group.

I started and held Walters through his injury though, I would go Walters over any of them this week if I didnt have him.

Boak is one of the most durable players going around, can't go wrong. Averaging 98 which is perfect. This week Walters, next week probably Boak & Rocky.

I know he's not a forward in SC, but noone taking into account Rocky's record in Tassie?

Westhoff for me. Scoring makes for good reading. Versatile and with on ball time in the ruck and Ryder question marks I'm hopeful of a few more big scores.

I think westoff is the best but what worries me is he has never gone 100+

I just don't see the merit in any of these players apart from bye coverage.
Howe showed last week the pitfalls of getting a player just to suit bye structure when other options were preferred.
Gray is back playing mostly fwd.
Boak hasn't averaged over 100 for years and Westhoff never has.
Walters,Buddy and Robbo seem like better options for me.
Walters averaging 107 in new role, Robbo playing better than ever and Buddy is Buddy.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?

I'm grabbing the Hoff.

Gonna watch all 3 and their roles very closely this weekend. Will be bringing 1 in next week

Quote from: ubeaut on May 30, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
I just don't see the merit in any of these players apart from bye coverage.
Howe showed last week the pitfalls of getting a player just to suit bye structure when other options were preferred.
Gray is back playing mostly fwd.
Boak hasn't averaged over 100 for years and Westhoff never has.
Walters,Buddy and Robbo seem like better options for me.
Walters averaging 107 in new role, Robbo playing better than ever and Buddy is Buddy.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Boak is good for 90 at a minimum, rarely gets injured & the extra game would add about 5ppg to his average.

Buddy a decent prospect but hasn't averaged 100 since 2012. I haven't ruled him out & may get both, just depends on funds available.

Robbo has never averaged 100, highest has been 92. Reckon we've missed the boat now he's chalked up a career highest score.

Come up with what you want your final 6 fwd's to look like

If there's a Port player (or 2) in there, then grab them. If there isn't, then pass

Personally, for me it's Heeney, McLean, Sicily as the only 3 guys I am 100% certain on. Darling is too much atm

I'll be grabbing Walters due to his price, so that leaves 2 spots and honestly, I'm not loving any of the options so I'll just get the guys who seem like good value for money when that time comes along, and for that reason I plan on playing Fritsch/Ronke/Billings at F5/6 for a few more weeks so I can complete every other line first, and then pick 2 forwards last

McLean, Heeney, Robinson, Dev Smith, Walters, Boak/Gray/Westyyyy

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 30, 2018, 10:59:59 PM
Come up with what you want your final 6 fwd's to look like

If there's a Port player (or 2) in there, then grab them. If there isn't, then pass

Personally, for me it's Heeney, McLean, Sicily as the only 3 guys I am 100% certain on. Darling is too much atm

I'll be grabbing Walters due to his price, so that leaves 2 spots and honestly, I'm not loving any of the options so I'll just get the guys who seem like good value for money when that time comes along, and for that reason I plan on playing Fritsch/Ronke/Billings at F5/6 for a few more weeks so I can complete every other line first, and then pick 2 forwards last

Echo echo echo echo

This  ::)

Quote from: BomberSam on May 30, 2018, 11:52:53 PM
McLean, Heeney, Robinson, Dev Smith, Walters, Boak/Gray/Westyyyy

McLean, Sicily, Heeney, Robinson, Dev Smith, Walters is my current aim.

Robinson has replaced Gray in recent weeks.

Anyone watch the Port game on the weekend - what was the deal with Hoff? His score came to a screaming halt after half time.

I was bringing in Boak this week...but then reversed as it looks so much better with Gray.  Need someone from Port/GC to get me through the byes and rather take a punt on Gray than Boak or Hoff.

Quote from: Huttabito on June 06, 2018, 04:56:59 PM
Anyone watch the Port game on the weekend - what was the deal with Hoff? His score came to a screaming halt after half time.

Yeh, also want to hear from someone on this

Quote from: Ricochet on June 06, 2018, 05:27:46 PM

Quote from: Huttabito on June 06, 2018, 04:56:59 PM
Anyone watch the Port game on the weekend - what was the deal with Hoff? His score came to a screaming halt after half time.

Yeh, also want to hear from someone on this

I was watching the other game but just flicking over during the breaks but I too saw he was top scoring and on track for 100 but then just came to a stop - when I flicked over and watched it was almost always in the Hawks F50 and he just wasn't involved

On the bright side, all of Gray/Hoff/Boak should drop in cash now, so although I'll get wrecked this week I'll be able to get 2 of them next week at a better price and hopefully R13 is much better than this week

Quote from: Ricochet on June 06, 2018, 05:27:46 PM

Quote from: Huttabito on June 06, 2018, 04:56:59 PM
Anyone watch the Port game on the weekend - what was the deal with Hoff? His score came to a screaming halt after half time.

Yeh, also want to hear from someone on this

His game turns to shower when he plays the relieving ruck role. Not sure how long he spent in the ruck, but he had 3 hitouts.

Quote from: frenzy on June 06, 2018, 06:30:14 PM

Quote from: Ricochet on June 06, 2018, 05:27:46 PM

Quote from: Huttabito on June 06, 2018, 04:56:59 PM
Anyone watch the Port game on the weekend - what was the deal with Hoff? His score came to a screaming halt after half time.

Yeh, also want to hear from someone on this

His game turns to shower when he plays the relieving ruck role. Not sure how long he spent in the ruck, but he had 3 hitouts.

Hawks went into possession mode especially in the 3rd. Chipped it around & slowed the game right down. Not saying this is the whole reason but most 3rd 1/4 Port stats would be bad in general I would imagine.

Surprised so many are off Gray.

Understand the role change is causing concerns for some people, but even playing mostly forward you'd still think he would average around the 95-100 mark.

Can't see any other options (Robbo, Hoff, Buddy etc) being any more consistent.

Will be around 500k flat after next week.

Quote from: Brikett on June 07, 2018, 08:42:53 AM
Surprised so many are off Gray.

Understand the role change is causing concerns for some people, but even playing mostly forward you'd still think he would average around the 95-100 mark.

Can't see any other options (Robbo, Hoff, Buddy etc) being any more consistent.

Will be around 500k flat after next week.

well he averaged 91 in it last year so thats probably what he would average in it :P

Yeah, its more his price his too expensive for a 91 average for me, still a very viable option though and one i will be considering

Quote from: iZander on June 07, 2018, 09:10:03 AM

Quote from: Brikett on June 07, 2018, 08:42:53 AM
Surprised so many are off Gray.

Understand the role change is causing concerns for some people, but even playing mostly forward you'd still think he would average around the 95-100 mark.

Can't see any other options (Robbo, Hoff, Buddy etc) being any more consistent.

Will be around 500k flat after next week.

well he averaged 91 in it last year so thats probably what he would average in it :P

Yeah, its more his price his too expensive for a 91 average for me, still a very viable option though and one i will be considering

91 + the extra game. He's projected to score 87 so add 8 points to his average. I'm also not convinced he stays in the forward line, Thomas due back this week so we will probably see him back in the middle.

Quote from: Bully on June 07, 2018, 11:39:05 AM

Quote from: iZander on June 07, 2018, 09:10:03 AM

Quote from: Brikett on June 07, 2018, 08:42:53 AM
Surprised so many are off Gray.

Understand the role change is causing concerns for some people, but even playing mostly forward you'd still think he would average around the 95-100 mark.

Can't see any other options (Robbo, Hoff, Buddy etc) being any more consistent.

Will be around 500k flat after next week.

well he averaged 91 in it last year so thats probably what he would average in it :P

Yeah, its more his price his too expensive for a 91 average for me, still a very viable option though and one i will be considering

91 + the extra game. He's projected to score 87 so add 8 points to his average. I'm also not convinced he stays in the forward line, Thomas due back this week so we will probably see him back in the middle.

While I agree in theory with your "extra game" argument, it's not necessarily so in practice. Any player can get injured/suspended/rested, including the Port fwds. Plus you have to factor in players scores who are played in place during that one extra game.
I don't think adding 8 points to his average works out with all the permutations that can occur.
In saying that, if Gray goes back to playing more midfield this week he's coming in for Guelfi next week.

Quote from: ubeaut on June 07, 2018, 04:24:28 PM

Quote from: Bully on June 07, 2018, 11:39:05 AM

Quote from: iZander on June 07, 2018, 09:10:03 AM

Quote from: Brikett on June 07, 2018, 08:42:53 AM
Surprised so many are off Gray.

Understand the role change is causing concerns for some people, but even playing mostly forward you'd still think he would average around the 95-100 mark.

Can't see any other options (Robbo, Hoff, Buddy etc) being any more consistent.

Will be around 500k flat after next week.

well he averaged 91 in it last year so thats probably what he would average in it :P

Yeah, its more his price his too expensive for a 91 average for me, still a very viable option though and one i will be considering

91 + the extra game. He's projected to score 87 so add 8 points to his average. I'm also not convinced he stays in the forward line, Thomas due back this week so we will probably see him back in the middle.

While I agree in theory with your "extra game" argument, it's not necessarily so in practice. Any player can get injured/suspended/rested, including the Port fwds. Plus you have to factor in players scores who are played in place during that one extra game.
I don't think adding 8 points to his average works out with all the permutations that can occur.
In saying that, if Gray goes back to playing more midfield this week he's coming in for Guelfi next week.

This is obviously contigent on your numbers but even so, it becomes the difference between Gray & your 18th best scorer. Reckon most people will be scratching around to field 18 next week & round 14.

Quote from: ubeaut on May 30, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
I just don't see the merit in any of these players apart from bye coverage.
Howe showed last week the pitfalls of getting a player just to suit bye structure when other options were preferred.
Gray is back playing mostly fwd.
Boak hasn't averaged over 100 for years and Westhoff never has.
Walters,Buddy and Robbo seem like better options for me.
Walters averaging 107 in new role, Robbo playing better than ever and Buddy is Buddy.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Still far from convinced on port fwds.
Boak has had two stinkers in a row.
Westhoff poor score last week, kicked 3 goals last night and only got 92. Both are in the twilight of their career.
Gray still stuck in the fwd line, and seeing they just beat the premiers can't see that changing, especially with Wines,SPP,Rocky,Ebert,Polec etc. doing the job in the middle.
Was looking at Gray for Guelfi next week but not so keen now.

Quote from: ubeaut on June 09, 2018, 09:08:50 AM

Quote from: ubeaut on May 30, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
I just don't see the merit in any of these players apart from bye coverage.
Howe showed last week the pitfalls of getting a player just to suit bye structure when other options were preferred.
Gray is back playing mostly fwd.
Boak hasn't averaged over 100 for years and Westhoff never has.
Walters,Buddy and Robbo seem like better options for me.
Walters averaging 107 in new role, Robbo playing better than ever and Buddy is Buddy.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Still far from convinced on port fwds.
Boak has had two stinkers in a row.
Westhoff poor score last week, kicked 3 goals last night and only got 92. Both are in the twilight of their career.
Gray still stuck in the fwd line, and seeing they just beat the premiers can't see that changing, especially with Wines,SPP,Rocky,Ebert,Polec etc. doing the job in the middle.
Was looking at Gray for Guelfi next week but not so keen now.

I liked Westhoff and Gray over Boak.
Gray started at centre bounces then moved forward, but he is a class above and looks that dangerous when he’s aroind the ball. Port should be amongst it and win plenty of games here on in meaning scoring should be up. Westhoff playing second tuck and kicking goals, like what I seen from him.
Who else could go far better than these 2?? And even 3 with Boak thrown in there

Quote from: ubeaut on June 09, 2018, 09:08:50 AM

Quote from: ubeaut on May 30, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
I just don't see the merit in any of these players apart from bye coverage.
Howe showed last week the pitfalls of getting a player just to suit bye structure when other options were preferred.
Gray is back playing mostly fwd.
Boak hasn't averaged over 100 for years and Westhoff never has.
Walters,Buddy and Robbo seem like better options for me.
Walters averaging 107 in new role, Robbo playing better than ever and Buddy is Buddy.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Still far from convinced on port fwds.
Boak has had two stinkers in a row.
Westhoff poor score last week, kicked 3 goals last night and only got 92. Both are in the twilight of their career.
Gray still stuck in the fwd line, and seeing they just beat the premiers can't see that changing, especially with Wines,SPP,Rocky,Ebert,Polec etc. doing the job in the middle.
Was looking at Gray for Guelfi next week but not so keen now.

I'm probably going to have all 3 of them

The reality is, outside of Heeney and McLean (who I already have) and possibly TMac, all the forwards are a crap shoot (Sicily down back)

If any forward is scoring above 90 most weeks that's about as good as it gets

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 09, 2018, 10:01:34 AM

Quote from: ubeaut on June 09, 2018, 09:08:50 AM

Quote from: ubeaut on May 30, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
I just don't see the merit in any of these players apart from bye coverage.
Howe showed last week the pitfalls of getting a player just to suit bye structure when other options were preferred.
Gray is back playing mostly fwd.
Boak hasn't averaged over 100 for years and Westhoff never has.
Walters,Buddy and Robbo seem like better options for me.
Walters averaging 107 in new role, Robbo playing better than ever and Buddy is Buddy.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Still far from convinced on port fwds.
Boak has had two stinkers in a row.
Westhoff poor score last week, kicked 3 goals last night and only got 92. Both are in the twilight of their career.
Gray still stuck in the fwd line, and seeing they just beat the premiers can't see that changing, especially with Wines,SPP,Rocky,Ebert,Polec etc. doing the job in the middle.
Was looking at Gray for Guelfi next week but not so keen now.

I'm probably going to have all 3 of them

The reality is, outside of Heeney and McLean (who I already have) and possibly TMac, all the forwards are a crap shoot (Sicily down back)

If any forward is scoring above 90 most weeks that's about as good as it gets

If forwards are so crap why have sicily down back :P

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 09, 2018, 10:01:34 AM

Quote from: ubeaut on June 09, 2018, 09:08:50 AM

Quote from: ubeaut on May 30, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
I just don't see the merit in any of these players apart from bye coverage.
Howe showed last week the pitfalls of getting a player just to suit bye structure when other options were preferred.
Gray is back playing mostly fwd.
Boak hasn't averaged over 100 for years and Westhoff never has.
Walters,Buddy and Robbo seem like better options for me.
Walters averaging 107 in new role, Robbo playing better than ever and Buddy is Buddy.
Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Still far from convinced on port fwds.
Boak has had two stinkers in a row.
Westhoff poor score last week, kicked 3 goals last night and only got 92. Both are in the twilight of their career.
Gray still stuck in the fwd line, and seeing they just beat the premiers can't see that changing, especially with Wines,SPP,Rocky,Ebert,Polec etc. doing the job in the middle.
Was looking at Gray for Guelfi next week but not so keen now.

I'm probably going to have all 3 of them

The reality is, outside of Heeney and McLean (who I already have) and possibly TMac, all the forwards are a crap shoot (Sicily down back)

If any forward is scoring above 90 most weeks that's about as good as it gets

Sicily therefore is better ending up in our fwd lines (which is the opposite of what I thought 2 months ago)
TMac is averaging 111. Walters well over 100 without injury affected score.
Robbo 101.
So no need to settle for 90+ imo.
Problem is Robbo injured, TMac bye next week.
Gray has a huge ceiling so he may come in, just wish he'd play more mid.
Boak is just not worth a spot. Rather Buddy as again great ceiling, but would have to wait till after his bye...

TMac, McLean, Gray, Heeney, Hoff, Sicily, MRobbo, Menegola, Buddy, Hogan (and Darling/Acres who are inj), plus Walters (excl inj game) are all averaging around 98+

There's plenty of fwd options

I meant forward options right now, during the byes

I obviously know the others and what they're averaging, which is why Sicily is down back because there are more forward choices than defenders

Gray is the only one I'm interested in and with another average score should see him below 500K next week with a highish B/E ( anyone work out what it will be ?) so could wait an extra week , not interested in Boak and Westhoff only if I move Sicily to the backs.

I can grab both Gray and Hoff next week

Definitely getting Gray, and I already have Boak so need to decide if I want Hoff

Boaks last two weeks haven't been great, but I think he's definitely good enough for F6 and is quite durable compared to a lot of the higher averaging forwards who miss games

Really struggling to figure out what to do with these blokes

Gray and Hoff are options, but now I am even looking at Wingard lol

Why did he all of a sudden have 18 CBA's which resulted in a 31 touch game?

All these blokes seem to get thrown around the ground at random and it's a lotto as to what you could get

I can bring in Gray and Hoff, but I could also bring in JJK and Wingard instead and save over 200k doing so

I know it sounds bad picking those two, but I'm flowered, low on trades and doubtful to even complete my side hence looking at these cheaper types

Gray is the safe option, I will be picking him up, and not sure what his CBA's were on the weekend, but he seemed to have a better mix between midfield/forward than previous games.

Wingard imo a huge risk with only 4 scores over 80 in the first 11 rounds. Last week was his first ton since Rd 1.

I have gone JJK this week and have the Hoff.

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 12, 2018, 03:45:15 PM
Really struggling to figure out what to do with these blokes

Gray and Hoff are options, but now I am even looking at Wingard lol

Why did he all of a sudden have 18 CBA's which resulted in a 31 touch game?

All these blokes seem to get thrown around the ground at random and it's a lotto as to what you could get

I can bring in Gray and Hoff, but I could also bring in JJK and Wingard instead and save over 200k doing so

I know it sounds bad picking those two, but I'm flowered, low on trades and doubtful to even complete my side hence looking at these cheaper types

That's why it's good to have them all.

Port has a dream run coming up -

vs Dogs (h)
vs Melb (h)
vs Carl (a)
vs Saints (h)
vs Freo (a)
vs GWS (h)

All winnable & highly likely Port players scoff all the points.

Quote from: Bully on June 12, 2018, 04:06:45 PM

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 12, 2018, 03:45:15 PM
Really struggling to figure out what to do with these blokes

Gray and Hoff are options, but now I am even looking at Wingard lol

Why did he all of a sudden have 18 CBA's which resulted in a 31 touch game?

All these blokes seem to get thrown around the ground at random and it's a lotto as to what you could get

I can bring in Gray and Hoff, but I could also bring in JJK and Wingard instead and save over 200k doing so

I know it sounds bad picking those two, but I'm flowered, low on trades and doubtful to even complete my side hence looking at these cheaper types

That's why it's good to have them all.

Port has a dream run coming up -

vs Dogs (h)
vs Melb (h)
vs Carl (a)
vs Saints (h)
vs Freo (a)
vs GWS (h)

All winnable & highly likely Port players scoff all the points.

I have no idea of the actual stats but i feel they are a very poor fantasy side in general and really spasmotic, they can win matchs with no1 tonning. If wingard plays mid again legit option but only 1 game and could change at any moment :/

I like westhoff his scores have been pretty consistent good devon smith replacement

Might change my mind, but even though I am super low on trades I'm just going to bring in Gray and Hoff

JJK and Wingard need to be monitored for at least another week or two before being considered

Gray definitely in for Guelfi. If Devon is out for more than 2, and calf’s can linger on, I’ll trade him to the Hoff.

Quote from: tommy10 on June 12, 2018, 05:32:51 PM
Gray definitely in for Guelfi. If Devon is out for more than 2, and calf’s can linger on, I’ll trade him to the Hoff.

When did this happen with Devon? Did I miss something?

Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2018, 05:57:21 PM

Quote from: tommy10 on June 12, 2018, 05:32:51 PM
Gray definitely in for Guelfi. If Devon is out for more than 2, and calf’s can linger on, I’ll trade him to the Hoff.

When did this happen with Devon? Did I miss something?

devon injured his calf late in the final quarter of game against Lions and was iced.  Was very ginger when coming off ground as well.

Quote from: Ringo on June 12, 2018, 07:54:45 PM

Quote from: quinny88 on June 12, 2018, 05:57:21 PM

Quote from: tommy10 on June 12, 2018, 05:32:51 PM
Gray definitely in for Guelfi. If Devon is out for more than 2, and calf’s can linger on, I’ll trade him to the Hoff.

When did this happen with Devon? Did I miss something?

devon injured his calf late in the final quarter of game against Lions and was iced.  Was very ginger when coming off ground as well.

Hopefully he doesn’t miss as don’t wanna use another trade and rather upgrade a rookie...

What has worried me about Westoff recently is last 2-3 weeks he has started amazingly being on approx 60-70 at halftime, then has gone quiet in the 2nd half and not even getting 100.

Anyone have any reason for this?

Quote from: smashbox on June 13, 2018, 07:06:20 PM
What has worried me about Westoff recently is last 2-3 weeks he has started amazingly being on approx 60-70 at halftime, then has gone quiet in the 2nd half and not even getting 100.

Anyone have any reason for this?

Maybe he's approaching end of career and slowing down generally,especially in second half of games?
What worries me is he has never averaged 100, and always finishes seasons as an " almost premium"

Port seem to be a team like Hawks in the past that really share the SC points around.
Apart from Gray (when he gets enough mid time) I can't remember a non-rookie player that has been a reliable SC option since Chad Cornes.
Wingard,Boak,Wines,Westhoff,Ebert all decent scorers but fall short of elite with all the point sharing.

Really need at least one upgrade in my fwds this week and next, think T.Mac and Buddy would be better options than port fwds, but the stupid byes make it really hard.
Wish Hinkley would just put Gray back in the mids.

Just to throw a spanner in the works; Wingard attended 18 CB’s on the weekend, most of any Port player....
Super cheap at $375k and Mid/Fwd DPP.

Quote from: Woppa15 on June 13, 2018, 08:20:06 PM
Just to throw a spanner in the works; Wingard attended 18 CB’s on the weekend, most of any Port player....
Super cheap at $375k and Mid/Fwd DPP.

Like Gray he's a beast when playing midfield, but will he continue in this role??

Quote from: smashbox on June 13, 2018, 07:06:20 PM
What has worried me about Westoff recently is last 2-3 weeks he has started amazingly being on approx 60-70 at halftime, then has gone quiet in the 2nd half and not even getting 100.

Anyone have any reason for this?

The past 2-3 weeks I’ve seen Ryder on the bench at times in the second halves icing his Achilles. Perhaps that has something to do with Westhoff tailing off in second halves?

Just a guess though, may have nothing to do with it.

Quote from: ubeaut on June 13, 2018, 08:46:06 PM

Quote from: Woppa15 on June 13, 2018, 08:20:06 PM
Just to throw a spanner in the works; Wingard attended 18 CB’s on the weekend, most of any Port player....
Super cheap at $375k and Mid/Fwd DPP.

Like Gray he's a beast when playing midfield, but will he continue in this role??

I doubt it. He has struggled so far this year, so my bet is they threw him in there to find some sort of form.
You'd think he'd go back to his regular fwd role, or at very least his fwd/mid split that he's done in the past

So what's the verdict on Wingard?

Is he worth rolling the dice on?

I figure my season has been a complete mess up until this point so why not go with this as I've got not much left to lose lol

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 14, 2018, 04:42:43 PM
So what's the verdict on Wingard?

Is he worth rolling the dice on?

I figure my season has been a complete mess up until this point so why not go with this as I've got not much left to lose lol

Wingard way too risky, surely there's some better options for an extra 70k.

Quote from: Bully on June 14, 2018, 04:49:13 PM

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 14, 2018, 04:42:43 PM
So what's the verdict on Wingard?

Is he worth rolling the dice on?

I figure my season has been a complete mess up until this point so why not go with this as I've got not much left to lose lol

Wingard way too risky, surely there's some better options for an extra 70k.

flower it and have a crack son

Gray or Westhoff? Need to get 1 in tonight

Quote from: quinny88 on June 14, 2018, 06:07:23 PM
Gray or Westhoff? Need to get 1 in tonight

Westhoff the better pick long term imo, but weather could be an issue for the beanpole tonight

Gray playing more mid and killing it

I've loved the conversation here lads, some great input and insight on all the Port forwards.

Went Gray myself in the end, doing well so far. Not too worried about how much time he spends forward, he's still one of the most damaging forward 50 players in the league. Midfield time is just a bonus.

Really wish I didn't pick Boak last week

Glad I got in Gray and The Hoff this week  8)

Boaks  been killing me. Lucky my opponent had Macrae VC to even it out. On the downside I grabbed McLean a week early with a BE of 150 odd to try and beat him. FMSCL! >:(

Just some notes on Boak, was a much better game than the stats suggest, was robbed an advantage goal after a Dixon free, copped some horrible umpiring decisions for incorrect disposal & had 6 points taken of for entering the protected zone. From the naked eye it was easily an 80+ game. Not concerned, I think he will bounce back strongly.

Quote from: Bully on June 15, 2018, 11:37:56 AM
Just some notes on Boak, was a much better game than the stats suggest, was robbed an advantage goal after a Dixon free, copped some horrible umpiring decisions for incorrect disposal & had 6 points taken of for entering the protected zone. From the naked eye it was easily an 80+ game. Not concerned, I think he will bounce back strongly.

I think the biggest problem is that Boak & Ebert are the main 2 sacrificing their mid time & contributing elsewhere so we can get the best out of the likes of SPP, Rocky & recently Chad.

Quote from: HappyDEZ on June 15, 2018, 11:55:48 AM

Quote from: Bully on June 15, 2018, 11:37:56 AM
Just some notes on Boak, was a much better game than the stats suggest, was robbed an advantage goal after a Dixon free, copped some horrible umpiring decisions for incorrect disposal & had 6 points taken of for entering the protected zone. From the naked eye it was easily an 80+ game. Not concerned, I think he will bounce back strongly.

I think the biggest problem is that Boak & Ebert are the main 2 sacrificing their mid time & contributing elsewhere so we can get the best out of the likes of SPP, Rocky & recently Chad.

Agree with both of you, but it's still frustrating as hell that I could have bought in Hoff 2 weeks ago (91 & 116) but chose Boak because he had the smaller BE for 74 & 64  >:(

had to trade one of walters/devon and chose walters and got westhoff. very happy with that score especially when hoff was on 39 5 mins into the 3rd qtr

Westhoff is finally putting up the numbers that I thought he would back when we signed Ryder. He's allowed to do whatever he wants out on the field, it's brilliant. Glad I jumped on after we had our bye. It did look like he had about 4-5 HOTA last night too, helped that we had no ruck opposition, won't be as easy against Melbourne for him or Ryder in the ruck.

As for Gray, superstar, get him in if you don't own. Something always looks like happening when he's near the ball.

I thought Wingard played mids last week just to get some confidence back then he'd go back forward, maybe it's going to be a permanent thing, I can't tell. When we have Wines, Rocky, SPP in the middle Wingard and Gary give some speed in there, unlike Boak or Ebert. That makes me think it may continue.

I'd be avoiding Boak, doesn't have the ceiling the others do.

And although he's not a fwd in this comp, geez Rocky was good to watch last night. Watched him lead the team out onto the ground, he was directing the warmups pre-game. That made me feel like he was gonna have a big night and trading him in was a good call. Then around the ground he was setting everyone up at stoppages, really looked like he wanted to put in a big game. Still gets no gametime though, 72% TOG the 2nd lowest behind Marshall for us!

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Quote from: Bully on June 15, 2018, 11:37:56 AM
Just some notes on Boak, was a much better game than the stats suggest, was robbed an advantage goal after a Dixon free, copped some horrible umpiring decisions for incorrect disposal & had 6 points taken of for entering the protected zone. From the naked eye it was easily an 80+ game. Not concerned, I think he will bounce back strongly.

I think the biggest problem is that Boak & Ebert are the main 2 sacrificing their mid time & contributing elsewhere so we can get the best out of the likes of SPP, Rocky & recently Chad.

Agree with both of you, but it's still frustrating as hell that I could have bought in Hoff 2 weeks ago (91 & 116) but chose Boak because he had the smaller BE for 74 & 64  >:(

Got him 3 weeks ago, worst three scores for the year

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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 15, 2018, 12:05:52 PM

Quote from: HappyDEZ on June 15, 2018, 11:55:48 AM

Quote from: Bully on June 15, 2018, 11:37:56 AM
Just some notes on Boak, was a much better game than the stats suggest, was robbed an advantage goal after a Dixon free, copped some horrible umpiring decisions for incorrect disposal & had 6 points taken of for entering the protected zone. From the naked eye it was easily an 80+ game. Not concerned, I think he will bounce back strongly.

I think the biggest problem is that Boak & Ebert are the main 2 sacrificing their mid time & contributing elsewhere so we can get the best out of the likes of SPP, Rocky & recently Chad.

Agree with both of you, but it's still frustrating as hell that I could have bought in Hoff 2 weeks ago (91 & 116) but chose Boak because he had the smaller BE for 74 & 64  >:(

Got him 3 weeks ago, worst three scores for the year

Me too. I was so close to going the Hoff, oh well....

I got the Hoff this week instead of Gray.

Get the feeling I picked the wrong one, but can't complain too much so far.

Might bring in Gray for Smith next week if Smith's calf injury surfaces.

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Quote from: Bully on June 15, 2018, 11:37:56 AM
Just some notes on Boak, was a much better game than the stats suggest, was robbed an advantage goal after a Dixon free, copped some horrible umpiring decisions for incorrect disposal & had 6 points taken of for entering the protected zone. From the naked eye it was easily an 80+ game. Not concerned, I think he will bounce back strongly.

I think the biggest problem is that Boak & Ebert are the main 2 sacrificing their mid time & contributing elsewhere so we can get the best out of the likes of SPP, Rocky & recently Chad.

Agree with both of you, but it's still frustrating as hell that I could have bought in Hoff 2 weeks ago (91 & 116) but chose Boak because he had the smaller BE for 74 & 64  >:(

Got him 3 weeks ago, worst three scores for the year

Me too. I was so close to going the Hoff, oh well....

Ditto

Quote from: SilverLion on June 15, 2018, 04:53:08 PM
I got the Hoff this week instead of Gray.

Get the feeling I picked the wrong one, but can't complain too much so far.

Might bring in Gray for Smith next week if Smith's calf injury surfaces.

I picked Gray instead of Hoff and feel I may have picked the wrong one lol.
Hope Gray keeps playing decent mid minutes as it obviously affects his scoring.
Hopefully we both picked the right one. With Ports juicy draw they could both do well imo, although I still have concerns over alot of point sharing at Port.

Quote from: SilverLion on June 15, 2018, 04:53:08 PM
I got the Hoff this week instead of Gray.

Get the feeling I picked the wrong one, but can't complain too much so far.

Might bring in Gray for Smith next week if Smith's calf injury surfaces.

Saw that Port have a pretty good draw for the remainder of the season so decided to grab both  ;)

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Quote from: SilverLion on June 15, 2018, 04:53:08 PM
I got the Hoff this week instead of Gray.

Get the feeling I picked the wrong one, but can't complain too much so far.

Might bring in Gray for Smith next week if Smith's calf injury surfaces.

Saw that Port have a pretty good draw for the remainder of the season so decided to grab both  ;)

All week I planned on bringing in Gray and Hoff, but when both Laird and Murphy didn't make the cut I had to grab Hurn instead so passed on Hoff

Will probably grab Hoff next week to finish off my side, but just hoping that Boak can start to get more involved and deliver some good scores moving forward

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 15, 2018, 06:03:05 PM
All week I planned on bringing in Gray and Hoff, but when both Laird and Murphy didn't make the cut I had to grab Hurn instead so passed on Hoff

Will probably grab Hoff next week to finish off my side, but just hoping that Boak can start to get more involved and deliver some good scores moving forward

DE% killed Boak this week, was 12 possi 20% at one stage.  :o

I grabbed Trav two weeks ago because I couldn't afford the other two. He works his ass off and covers that much ground that by the time he receives the ball he's absolutely stuffed and butchers the footy. Can't question his effort but last night was probably the worst display of kicking I have ever seen from a player.

Quote from: Adamant on June 15, 2018, 06:49:08 PM
I grabbed Trav two weeks ago because I couldn't afford the other two. He works his ass off and covers that much ground that by the time he receives the ball he's absolutely stuffed and butchers the footy. Can't question his effort but last night was probably the worst display of kicking I have ever seen from a player.

yep, Jack Ziebell would go toe to toe with him though. He's the worst kick ever and every week the same.

What are our thoughts on Wingard? I'm really considering him this week, he's so cheap, change of role that's he's absolutely performed in, and he's scoring well.

Quote from: North Melbournes Finest on June 20, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
What are our thoughts on Wingard? I'm really considering him this week, he's so cheap, change of role that's he's absolutely performed in, and he's scoring well.

All depends on midfield minutes with Wingard. If you think he's going to stay in there regularly for the rest of the year then grab him
I'm not so sure though

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Quote from: North Melbournes Finest on June 20, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
What are our thoughts on Wingard? I'm really considering him this week, he's so cheap, change of role that's he's absolutely performed in, and he's scoring well.

All depends on midfield minutes with Wingard. If you think he's going to stay in there regularly for the rest of the year then grab him
I'm not so sure though

One thing I do like about Wngard is his DPP. I think him or Billings can be a handy M9/F7 at the price.

Bringing one of Hoff and Gray in this week? Who and Why?

Quote from: strikeforce on June 21, 2018, 10:37:20 AM
Bringing one of Hoff and Gray in this week? Who and Why?

Robbie for mine. Always seems to get a decent score even when he is quiet/perm. forward whilst maintaining the possibility of going large.

Quote from: strikeforce on June 21, 2018, 10:37:20 AM
Bringing one of Hoff and Gray in this week? Who and Why?

I went Hoff. Though flip a coin really.

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Quote from: strikeforce on June 21, 2018, 10:37:20 AM
Bringing one of Hoff and Gray in this week? Who and Why?

I went Hoff. Though flip a coin really.

I have had Hoff for a while and very happy. With Ryder gaining match fitness and more TOG he is spending more time on the wing. Gray can go big but think he could be in a rotation with Rocky and Wingard through the mids.
Toss the coin as can not go wrong with either.

Anyone have any issues/ objections to running with 2 premo Port fwds? I have Gray and am almost certain I will be bringing in the Hoff this week.

Quote from: Woppa15 on June 21, 2018, 04:43:55 PM
Anyone have any issues/ objections to running with 2 premo Port fwds? I have Gray and am almost certain I will be bringing in the Hoff this week.

Not at all. They have a nice little run coming up after Melb

Blues, Saints, Freo, Giants, Bullies

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Anyone have any issues/ objections to running with 2 premo Port fwds? I have Gray and am almost certain I will be bringing in the Hoff this week.

Not at all. They have a nice little run coming up after Melb

Blues, Saints, Freo, Giants, Bullies

Can’t see why there would be an issue. I have both

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Quote from: Woppa15 on June 21, 2018, 04:43:55 PM
Anyone have any issues/ objections to running with 2 premo Port fwds? I have Gray and am almost certain I will be bringing in the Hoff this week.

Not at all. They have a nice little run coming up after Melb

Blues, Saints, Freo, Giants, Bullies

Can’t see why there would be an issue. I have both

I've got all 3 lol (Gray, Hoff and Boak)

Wondering if perhaps this could be the week that Boak finally pulls his finger out for my team.

Quote from: BomberSam on June 22, 2018, 01:03:18 AM
Wondering if perhaps this could be the week that Boak finally pulls his finger out for my team.

Hmmm. Not sure about that. Boak was getting fairly minimal mid time even before Chad sooked his way into the mids. Don't get me wrong I am happy Chad is now performing well & we need him to, but I very much appreciate Boaks team first approach even if it does hurt his scoring a little for his fantasy owners.

Knew I should have got the Hoff last week.
Gray just doesn't score as well playing fwd.
One disposal one free against first quarter.
Prove me wrong please Robbie!

Quote from: ubeaut on June 22, 2018, 09:12:47 PM
Knew I should have got the Hoff last week.
Gray just doesn't score as well playing fwd.
One disposal one free against first quarter.
Prove me wrong please Robbie!

No need to panic, only 1 quarter.

Still not going good. But this where i question coaches. Gray needs to b played in the mids. Same with dusty danger and fyfe. I know they have great goal presence about them but they r most dangerous in the guts

Don't think there's a bad option out of Hoff/Gray.

Boak was on track for 110+ but then flowering barely scored in the entire last qtr  >:(

Quote from: SilverLion on June 22, 2018, 11:24:55 PM
Don't think there's a bad option out of Hoff/Gray.

Ended up taking them both to complete the fwds. So far so good..... :)

Gray recoveres well he showed why he needs to play mid. Dominated that last qtr

Was a whisker off getting Wingard this week, didn't grab him, he still scored alright. But did he go back to splitting half/half forward and mid? I didn't watch the game so am asking. Or was he just low on disposals this week.

Quote from: North Melbournes Finest on June 23, 2018, 12:14:50 PM
Was a whisker off getting Wingard this week, didn't grab him, he still scored alright. But did he go back to splitting half/half forward and mid? I didn't watch the game so am asking. Or was he just low on disposals this week.

He went forward quite a bit, alternating with Gray.

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Quote from: North Melbournes Finest on June 23, 2018, 12:14:50 PM
Was a whisker off getting Wingard this week, didn't grab him, he still scored alright. But did he go back to splitting half/half forward and mid? I didn't watch the game so am asking. Or was he just low on disposals this week.

He went forward quite a bit, alternating with Gray.

Wingard played the first 1/2 on ball head to head with Viney & Viney got way too many clearances so Chad got shifted forward. It looked like Ebert shifted to the middle in the 3rd 1/4 & Robbie head to head with Viney in the last. None of which stopped Viney winning clearances but it was under more pressure than Chad provided. There were times in the first 1/2 it looked like SPP had to take responsibility for Oliver & Viney such was the lack of defensive mindset from Chad. I am harsh on Chad 'cos although he played OK I think he is one of the few players we can get more from. A 2 times AA & proven match winner at his best. Here's hoping.

Also of interest for Hoff owners. Roaming Brian said he topped the Telstra Tracker numbers. That's impressive for a tall.

Whats the consensus on Hoff v Gray at this point? Need one to finish off my forward line.

I already have Boak and if I could go back in time Id change that but too late now!

Neville Jetta played an incredible game negating Gray and Wingard when they were forward. Both scored pretty well when playing mid but generally struggled to score SC points when manned by Nev.
Gray was really battling in the first half under immense pressure. Couldn't take clean possession so was doing all the little knock ons. Got cleaned up a few times throughout the game. There would have been some very sore boys after that high pressure game.
The next few games should be a bit more free flowing. Hopefully that helps their scores!
Westhoff looked quite lackadaisical for most of the game, don't know if he always looks like that, but had an impact in important moments and the 2 goals helped.
Boak and Ebert had great games. Probably partly due to Melbourne's planning to negate Robbie and Chad.
Was an awesome high pressure game.

Quote from: Bones Bombers on June 24, 2018, 08:42:32 PM
Neville Jetta played an incredible game negating Gray and Wingard when they were forward. Both scored pretty well when playing mid but generally struggled to score SC points when manned by Nev.
Gray was really battling in the first half under immense pressure. Couldn't take clean possession so was doing all the little knock ons. Got cleaned up a few times throughout the game. There would have been some very sore boys after that high pressure game.
The next few games should be a bit more free flowing. Hopefully that helps their scores!
Westhoff looked quite lackadaisical for most of the game, don't know if he always looks like that, but had an impact in important moments and the 2 goals helped.
Boak and Ebert had great games. Probably partly due to Melbourne's planning to negate Robbie and Chad.
Was an awesome high pressure game.

Yep all good observations.
Westhoff does always look like that imo, just his laid back style. He actually works pretty hard for a big guy.

Think theres a decent chance that Westhoff and Gray could finish the year as the top 2 forwards.

Quote from: SilverLion on June 30, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
Think theres a decent chance that Westhoff and Gray could finish the year as the top 2 forwards.

Glad I have both

Wingards last month has been excellent too - wish I grabbed him

Boak is flowering killing me though

Got Gray, Westhoff and Wingard.

Wingard as M9/F7.

Put him on field to loop Buddy.
Best move I've done all year

Gray with a blistering start and only ends up with 85. He is averaging 92 the last 6 weeks with only one score over 100. He is all class and a gun player, but not sure if he will end up being in the top 2 SC forwards this year.

Cudos to those who grabbed Wingard when he was cheap. Looks to be a perfect M9/F7..

Boak stop spudding it you potato filled fry.

Quote from: batt on June 30, 2018, 07:53:52 PM
Boak stop spudding it you potato filled fry.

Worst 50/50 of my year. Boak over the Hoff. Costing between 20-30 points a week.

Quote from: tkringle on June 30, 2018, 07:31:36 PM
Cudos to those who grabbed Wingard when he was cheap. Looks to be a perfect M9/F7..

M9/F7?  :o

He's my F6.  :-X

Wish I'd grabbed Wingard as my last upgrade. Only cost one trade, now I have to make a downgrade too.
Just wary of his early form/scoring and midtime.

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Quote from: tkringle on June 30, 2018, 07:31:36 PM
Cudos to those who grabbed Wingard when he was cheap. Looks to be a perfect M9/F7..

M9/F7?  :o

He's my F6.  :-X

Haha fair enough.. I’m praying Billings fires today so I can get him in as F7 cover