Do we have to jump off this spud immediately? I hate him.
I hate him too. And myself for buying into the hype and not starting Lycett, which would have saved 250 k AND made 150k all for 6 points difference in avg!
People said Lycett was risky, shouldn't have listened. Vardy out and English as back up? Safe as houses!
Anyway like Billings he's lost too much cash to trade for me. 100k for Martin, but Grundy is the best and would cost 180k.
My money is better off spent upgrading rest of team. But everyone's situation maybe different.
Such a frustrating premo, hasn't cracked the ton in forever and doesn't look like that will change anytime soon, grabbing Grundy at some point is a must this season
Frustrating no doubt, but at his current price and compared to the price of say Grundy I think it's best to hold for now
Get your other lines sorted, and then during the byes might be the best time to punt Goldy
He might be costing us approx 30ish points per week, but you can make that up elsewhere by having a prem over a rookie so just focus on the overall team output and then move him on when you're in a position to do so
I'd be turning people like Banfield/Holman to Crouch before I worried about Goldy
Plays against Nank this weekend who is much shorter and regularly concedes large hitout numbers. If he can't go big against him then he's stuffed. Have no choice but to hold him now and maybe upgrade during the byes
Along with Billings has been the story of my season.
I wish he didn't start the season of as he did or i would have made the correction trade after Rd 2, got sucked in and now I'm paying for it.
Quote from: quinny88 on May 08, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Plays against Nank this weekend who is much shorter and regularly concedes large hitout numbers. If he can't go big against him then he's stuffed. Have no choice but to hold him now and maybe upgrade during the byes
I think we’re past the point where he’s stuffed seeing as he couldn’t put out a decent score against the Dixon/Westhoff/Howard combo :-\
A sideways to Ryder could be on the cards if Ryder starts showing something. Has 2 x 60's in his average and will drop significantly, and has the early bye. If he starts banging out 100's im doing the trade.
Quote from: smashbox on May 08, 2018, 04:50:56 PM
A sideways to Ryder could be on the cards if Ryder starts showing something. Has 2 x 60's in his average and will drop significantly, and has the early bye. If he starts banging out 100's im doing the trade.
Excellent advice
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 08, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 08, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Plays against Nank this weekend who is much shorter and regularly concedes large hitout numbers. If he can't go big against him then he's stuffed. Have no choice but to hold him now and maybe upgrade during the byes
I think we’re past the point where he’s stuffed seeing as he couldn’t put out a decent score against the Dixon/Westhoff/Howard combo :-\
he has 38 and 40 HO in the last two weeks so he is winning the ruck contest easily, so that must not be the issue.
He must be getting awarded no HTA to advantage if he was just getting 20% of HTA then he would have got 40 points from them alone.
The issue is while he is wining the hit outs quite easily the opponent mids are beating out North's
They lost the clearances 41 to 31 against Sydney and 38 to 32 against port.
So him winning all the HOs isn't that helpful, especially when you lose points if the opponent mids get away with the ball. Which is a joke as you can hit it a 50/50 and if the north guy gets it and breaks away then its a HTA and +5 and if the opponents gets its and breaks away then its -1 for the identical tap.
Quote from: Holz on May 08, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 08, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 08, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Plays against Nank this weekend who is much shorter and regularly concedes large hitout numbers. If he can't go big against him then he's stuffed. Have no choice but to hold him now and maybe upgrade during the byes
I think we’re past the point where he’s stuffed seeing as he couldn’t put out a decent score against the Dixon/Westhoff/Howard combo :-\
he has 38 and 40 HO in the last two weeks so he is winning the ruck contest easily, so that must not be the issue.
He must be getting awarded no HTA to advantage if he was just getting 20% of HTA then he would have got 40 points from them alone.
The issue is while he is wining the hit outs quite easily the opponent mids are beating out North's
They lost the clearances 41 to 31 against Sydney and 38 to 32 against port.
So him winning all the HOs isn't that helpful, especially when you lose points if the opponent mids get away with the ball. Which is a joke as you can hit it a 50/50 and if the north guy gets it and breaks away then its a HTA and +5 and if the opponents gets its and breaks away then its -1 for the identical tap.
The problem isn't the hit outs
The problem is that hitting out is all he bloody does now
Does nothing else around the ground like he used to, and that's where the loss of points has occurred
Quote from: Holz on May 08, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 08, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 08, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Plays against Nank this weekend who is much shorter and regularly concedes large hitout numbers. If he can't go big against him then he's stuffed. Have no choice but to hold him now and maybe upgrade during the byes
I think we’re past the point where he’s stuffed seeing as he couldn’t put out a decent score against the Dixon/Westhoff/Howard combo :-\
he has 38 and 40 HO in the last two weeks so he is winning the ruck contest easily, so that must not be the issue.
He must be getting awarded no HTA to advantage if he was just getting 20% of HTA then he would have got 40 points from them alone.
The issue is while he is wining the hit outs quite easily the opponent mids are beating out North's
They lost the clearances 41 to 31 against Sydney and 38 to 32 against port.
So him winning all the HOs isn't that helpful, especially when you lose points if the opponent mids get away with the ball. Which is a joke as you can hit it a 50/50 and if the north guy gets it and breaks away then its a HTA and +5 and if the opponents gets its and breaks away then its -1 for the identical tap.
It's been obvious to me for a long time his problem is that he is not doing enough around the ground 6K , 2HB , 2M , 1T, 4CP is not enough Sinclair went 12 , 8 , 8 , 2 and 9 he looks slow and awkward compared to the leading rucks maybe the game has just gone past him.
Wha a fall from grace. He was a genuine superstar 18 months ago
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 08, 2018, 05:14:33 PM
Quote from: Holz on May 08, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 08, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 08, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Plays against Nank this weekend who is much shorter and regularly concedes large hitout numbers. If he can't go big against him then he's stuffed. Have no choice but to hold him now and maybe upgrade during the byes
I think we’re past the point where he’s stuffed seeing as he couldn’t put out a decent score against the Dixon/Westhoff/Howard combo :-\
he has 38 and 40 HO in the last two weeks so he is winning the ruck contest easily, so that must not be the issue.
He must be getting awarded no HTA to advantage if he was just getting 20% of HTA then he would have got 40 points from them alone.
The issue is while he is wining the hit outs quite easily the opponent mids are beating out North's
They lost the clearances 41 to 31 against Sydney and 38 to 32 against port.
So him winning all the HOs isn't that helpful, especially when you lose points if the opponent mids get away with the ball. Which is a joke as you can hit it a 50/50 and if the north guy gets it and breaks away then its a HTA and +5 and if the opponents gets its and breaks away then its -1 for the identical tap.
The problem isn't the hit outs
The problem is that hitting out is all he bloody does now
Does nothing else around the ground like he used to, and that's where the loss of points has occurred
its 100% the hitouts
in 2016 he averaged 108 with 13.7 touches, 3.1 marks, 3 tackles and 0.9 goals
in 2017 he averaged 95 with 13.4 touches, 2.8 marks, 2.9 tackles and 0.6 goals
this year he has gone 86 with 12.6 touches, 3 marks, 2.3 tackles and 0.1 goals.
I think the goals are hurting him a little bit compared to 16 maybe 10 points a game (if you count the kick aswell) then 1 less tackle so 4 points then the rest must be HOTA
the odds all point to him being not as far off his best as the SC score is indicating. Thats what makes it soo difficult.
realistically your getting about 90% of what he has put up for most of his career for under 80% of the SC points.
Problem is, stats don't show the impact of them
He might still be getting similar numbers, but every time I've watched him they are touches that don't have any impact
He doesn't take contested marks much any more, and most of his touches now seem to be dinky handballs or kicks that don't have any real impact
Stats wise he might be similar, but I think the impact of those stats is well down and that's a big part of SC scoring too
He has no influence on games, where as he used to have a big influence and that's SC gold
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 08, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Problem is, stats don't show the impact of them
He might still be getting similar numbers, but every time I've watched him they are touches that don't have any impact
He doesn't take contested marks much any more, and most of his touches now seem to be dinky handballs or kicks that don't have any real impact
Stats wise he might be similar, but I think the impact of those stats is well down and that's a big part of SC scoring too
He has no influence on games, where as he used to have a big influence and that's SC gold
Yeah spot on RD.
When u add it all up - numbers slightly down,possessions less damaging,slightly less hitouts and far less HOTAs it all equals he is a past it SC spud
Quote from: ubeaut on May 08, 2018, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 08, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Problem is, stats don't show the impact of them
He might still be getting similar numbers, but every time I've watched him they are touches that don't have any impact
He doesn't take contested marks much any more, and most of his touches now seem to be dinky handballs or kicks that don't have any real impact
Stats wise he might be similar, but I think the impact of those stats is well down and that's a big part of SC scoring too
He has no influence on games, where as he used to have a big influence and that's SC gold
Yeah spot on RD.
When u add it all up - numbers slightly down,possessions less damaging,slightly less hitouts and far less HOTAs it all equals he is a past it SC spud
Yeah, he is
Past
It
Entirely, that's for sure
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 08, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Problem is, stats don't show the impact of them
He might still be getting similar numbers, but every time I've watched him they are touches that don't have any impact
He doesn't take contested marks much any more, and most of his touches now seem to be dinky handballs or kicks that don't have any real impact
Stats wise he might be similar, but I think the impact of those stats is well down and that's a big part of SC scoring too
He has no influence on games, where as he used to have a big influence and that's SC gold
Totally agree with this. Goldy was just about my favourite player in 2015 and to a lesser extent 2016. He was killing teams by himself, running oppo rucks into the dirt and going awol in last quarters. The impact he was having on games was massive. These days are gone.
I find it kind of sad - I reckon if he stayed at those heights for three or four years he'd be remembered as an absolute jet. I don't think he'll be remembered much at all, now.
Quote from: Holz on May 08, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 08, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on May 08, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Plays against Nank this weekend who is much shorter and regularly concedes large hitout numbers. If he can't go big against him then he's stuffed. Have no choice but to hold him now and maybe upgrade during the byes
I think we’re past the point where he’s stuffed seeing as he couldn’t put out a decent score against the Dixon/Westhoff/Howard combo :-\
he has 38 and 40 HO in the last two weeks so he is winning the ruck contest easily, so that must not be the issue.
He must be getting awarded no HTA to advantage if he was just getting 20% of HTA then he would have got 40 points from them alone.
The issue is while he is wining the hit outs quite easily the opponent mids are beating out North's
They lost the clearances 41 to 31 against Sydney and 38 to 32 against port.
So him winning all the HOs isn't that helpful, especially when you lose points if the opponent mids get away with the ball. Which is a joke as you can hit it a 50/50 and if the north guy gets it and breaks away then its a HTA and +5 and if the opponents gets its and breaks away then its -1 for the identical tap.
This spud could be averaging 40 and you would still try to find a way to defend him.
You don't get a hitout-to-advantage/sharked by just hitting it anywhere with the result depending on which team wins the ball in the contest. The hitout actually has to reach an intended teammate for it to be a HTA and a sharked hitout has to be a direct result of the opponent's possession. What you just described is a player winning a hardball-get which is worth 0 extra points for the ruckman.
Todd the plodder, seems his glory days are a distant memory. I was super confident running with him, dunno what has happened but this year is looking like a bigger train wreck than 2017. The one saving grace is he's playing every week, this is the only thing saving him from the guillotine.
Agree with both Holz’s stats and Rd’s points. He just is not as influential anymore around the grounds whilst the HOTA is not clearly there this year. Doesn’t kick as many goals and shanking it OOTF a few times I can recall in front of goal doesn’t help.
Maybe it’s Scott’s game plan for managing him around the contest in terms of following up, tackling etc. maybe it’s his age, maybe the game is even quicker now and he’s struggling to keep up with the pace...so could be a combination of those imo.
I think that Grundy, Ryder, Nic Nat and Stef are so much more mobile especially Grundy with getting so much more possessions into his game has really taken it to another level.
Quote from: GoLions on May 08, 2018, 06:14:46 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on May 08, 2018, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 08, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Problem is, stats don't show the impact of them
He might still be getting similar numbers, but every time I've watched him they are touches that don't have any impact
He doesn't take contested marks much any more, and most of his touches now seem to be dinky handballs or kicks that don't have any real impact
Stats wise he might be similar, but I think the impact of those stats is well down and that's a big part of SC scoring too
He has no influence on games, where as he used to have a big influence and that's SC gold
Yeah spot on RD.
When u add it all up - numbers slightly down,possessions less damaging,slightly less hitouts and far less HOTAs it all equals he is a past it SC spud
Yeah, he is Past It Entirely, that's for sure
;D
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-16/analysis-norths-ruck-role-challenge
Pie.
Keefe - 10 hitouts
Goldstein - 3 hitouts
Quote from: Big Mac on May 19, 2018, 03:21:39 PM
Keefe - 10 hitouts
Goldstein - 3 hitouts
have to hold for 1 more week & then Ryder comes in, I reckon Goldy will be joining the dole queue next year.
I just can't believe how Goldy continually gets beaten by these part time ruckmen.
Forget Supercoach, he should be giving our mids first hands on the ball in games like this. So frustrating.
Quote from: Big Mac on May 19, 2018, 03:21:39 PM
Keefe - 10 hitouts
Goldstein - 3 hitouts
Goldy 44 SC
Keeffe 15 SC
Lobb 23 SC
Half time, would be stoked if Goldy could get to anything above 80 from here
How said is that, yet it's true
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 19, 2018, 03:46:51 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on May 19, 2018, 03:21:39 PM
Keefe - 10 hitouts
Goldstein - 3 hitouts
Goldy 44 SC
Keeffe 15 SC
Lobb 23 SC
Half time, would be stoked if Goldy could get to anything above 80 from here
How said is that, yet it's true
Maybe that's his problem in earlier games , he needs to be taken out of the ruck and used as a inside mid ;D
Has Goldstein sprung to life? Surely not...
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 19, 2018, 03:46:51 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on May 19, 2018, 03:21:39 PM
Keefe - 10 hitouts
Goldstein - 3 hitouts
Goldy 44 SC
Keeffe 15 SC
Lobb 23 SC
Half time, would be stoked if Goldy could get to anything above 80 from here
How said is that, yet it's true
Couple of scoring assists early in the third. He might get to 100 today?
Won't stop me getting Ryder in Round 11.
He’s gonna hit 100
And Ryder is getting pumped by Witts in the other game
pulled his finger out finally
113 pre scaling
Quote from: Big Mac on May 19, 2018, 05:13:32 PM
pulled his finger out finally
113 pre scaling
Hooray! Finally.
I have no idea there this came from, but I'll take it!
Tonned up in 3 quarters, and actually kinda looked back to his old self.
I noticed he only played half the first quarter, maybe Brad gave him a rev up?
Must of found this thread and got fired up
Quote from: Gigantor on May 19, 2018, 05:16:47 PM
Must of found this thread and got fired up
;D
I've held him, waiting to upgrade when the byes hit! Looking at Kreuzer or Grundy. Upgrading elsewhere so this round has been a welcome surprise. Doubt this kind of scoring will continue for him....... :(
Quote from: igotworms on May 19, 2018, 05:46:20 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on May 19, 2018, 05:16:47 PM
Must of found this thread and got fired up
;D
I've held him, waiting to upgrade when the byes hit! Looking at Kreuzer or Grundy. Upgrading elsewhere so this round has been a welcome surprise. Doubt this kind of scoring will continue for him....... :(
Held him as well. At least this score stops the leaking cash. Will make upgrade during bye rounds a little easier.
Now we just need Billings to ton up tonight!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 19, 2018, 07:08:55 PM
Now we just need Billings to ton up tonight!
I traded him so I'll be pretty peeved if he does.
Quote from: Gigantor on May 19, 2018, 05:16:47 PM
Must of found this thread and got fired up
I think he saw this thread and is trolling us. Another ton next week and we all think “he’s back†and won’t need to trade him. Then he’ll score 60 in Rd.12, bye Rd.13, then dropped for Rd.14 :-X
Never in doubt 8)
39 hitouts 17 touches 12 contested, 1 goal, 2 goal assists; 6 tackles 5 clearances, 1 contested mark, 2 intercepts, 8 score assists with 77% didposal effecirncy and his team crushed the opposition and easily won the clearance battle.
112 points is that a joke
If Macrae had those stats he’d scored 200! :o
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 20, 2018, 12:59:38 AM
If Macrae had those stats he’d scored 200! :o
Macrae in rare form but not sure he's gonna get 39 hitouts ;D
Of course Goldie does something the week I. trade him. Hopefully Nic Nat has 100 by HT
Might kick start a bit of a price rise and make upgrading him easier
Quote from: Holz on May 20, 2018, 12:56:32 AM
39 hitouts 17 touches 12 contested, 1 goal, 2 goal assists; 6 tackles 5 clearances, 1 contested mark, 2 intercepts, 8 score assists with 77% didposal effecirncy and his team crushed the opposition and easily won the clearance battle.
112 points is that a joke
I think the bigger joke is you posting this exact comment 6.5 hours earlier
Quote from: Holz on May 19, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
39 hitouts 17 touches 12 contested, 1 goal, 2 goal assists; 6 tackles 5 clearances, 1 contested mark, 2 intercepts, 8 score assists with 77% didposal effecirncy and his team crushed the opposition and easily won the clearance battle.
112 points is that a joke
But let's humour you for a moment
76% DE from 17 touches, let us assume all the handballs were effective because only spuds miss opponents by hand. 12 effective handball is about 18 points. 1 effective kick gives you 4 points or so. 1 clanger kick gives -4ish, and 2 ineffective for 0-2 points. So about 20 points for the touches. The mark and 6 tackles gets about 25 points. 10 points for the goal. 0 points for the clearances. 10 points for the goal assists, probably another 10 for the behind assists. I don't have his HTA stats. Add maybe an extra 20 for contested possessions, gets him to 95 points. Take away another 8 points for the frees against. 87 all up. 27 points left for HTA which is definitely possible.
Quote from: GoLions on May 20, 2018, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: Holz on May 19, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
39 hitouts 17 touches 12 contested, 1 goal, 2 goal assists; 6 tackles 5 clearances, 1 contested mark, 2 intercepts, 8 score assists with 77% didposal effecirncy and his team crushed the opposition and easily won the clearance battle.
112 points is that a joke
But let's humour you for a moment
76% DE from 17 touches, let us assume all the handballs were effective because only spuds miss opponents by hand. 12 effective handball is about 18 points. 1 effective kick gives you 4 points or so. 1 clanger kick gives -4ish, and 2 ineffective for 0-2 points. So about 20 points for the touches. The mark and 6 tackles gets about 25 points. 10 points for the goal. 0 points for the clearances. 10 points for the goal assists, probably another 10 for the behind assists. I don't have his HTA stats. Add maybe an extra 20 for contested possessions, gets him to 95 points. Take away another 8 points for the frees against. 87 all up. 27 points left for HTA which is definitely possible.
Meow says a contested possession is 3 points
so thats 36 for the contested
Your assumption that all handballs are effective is flawed as you can handball it to a guy and he is instantly tackled and thats ineffective but lets assume the worst.
So 14 points for the handballs
So lets be super harsh and give nothing for the kicks
Then the 6 tackles and the 1 contested marks is more like 30 points
then ill give 10 for the goal like you
10 for the goal assists like you
10 for the behind assists like you
you took away 8 for the 2 FA but then add back 12 for the FF
so thats 114 without the HTA
then the guy gets 39 hitouts when his team dominantes the clearances and the match especially in the second half when the game is on the line. Should be 30+ points easy.
Quote from: Holz on May 20, 2018, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: GoLions on May 20, 2018, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: Holz on May 19, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
39 hitouts 17 touches 12 contested, 1 goal, 2 goal assists; 6 tackles 5 clearances, 1 contested mark, 2 intercepts, 8 score assists with 77% didposal effecirncy and his team crushed the opposition and easily won the clearance battle.
112 points is that a joke
But let's humour you for a moment
76% DE from 17 touches, let us assume all the handballs were effective because only spuds miss opponents by hand. 12 effective handball is about 18 points. 1 effective kick gives you 4 points or so. 1 clanger kick gives -4ish, and 2 ineffective for 0-2 points. So about 20 points for the touches. The mark and 6 tackles gets about 25 points. 10 points for the goal. 0 points for the clearances. 10 points for the goal assists, probably another 10 for the behind assists. I don't have his HTA stats. Add maybe an extra 20 for contested possessions, gets him to 95 points. Take away another 8 points for the frees against. 87 all up. 27 points left for HTA which is definitely possible.
Meow says a contested possession is 3 points
so thats 36 for the contested
Your assumption that all handballs are effective is flawed as you can handball it to a guy and he is instantly tackled and thats ineffective but lets assume the worst.
So 14 points for the handballs
So lets be super harsh and give nothing for the kicks
Then the 6 tackles and the 1 contested marks is more like 30 points
then ill give 10 for the goal like you
10 for the goal assists like you
10 for the behind assists like you
you took away 8 for the 2 FA but then add back 12 for the FF
so thats 114 without the HTA
then the guy gets 39 hitouts when his team dominantes the clearances and the match especially in the second half when the game is on the line. Should be 30+ points easy.
Yeah I wasn't sure if a contested handball got the same amount
Tackles are generally 3 points more often than not
FF are counted as CPs, hence why I didn't include them (also counted the contested mark as a CP already)
We also don't know how many hitouts were sharked. What the state of the game was for each stat. Personally, unless he got a lot of HTA, I'd say his score is pretty close to what he deserved.
I'm stoked with his score, just need him to back it up.
Quote from: Bully on May 20, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
I'm stoked with his score, just need him to back it up.
And therein lies the problem. He was rucking against Keefe mostly.
Decent possession and tackle numbers though plus a goal. Hope he keeps it up but I'm doubtful
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 19, 2018, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on May 19, 2018, 05:16:47 PM
Must of found this thread and got fired up
I think he saw this thread and is trolling us. Another ton next week and we all think “he’s back†and won’t need to trade him. Then he’ll score 60 in Rd.12, bye Rd.13, then dropped for Rd.14 :-X
It’s happening :-X
This is the best name to a thread ever.
He's got a BE of 47 this week, so if he tons up again the next week before his bye, it should only cost 160k to upgrade to Grundy, which is irresistible. (460k to 620k)
Never seen soo much talk about a guy who was priced at 95 and is putting up 88 points a game.
If Grundy wasnt going beserk this would be a non issue.
Quote from: Holz on May 28, 2018, 11:10:46 AM
Never seen soo much talk about a guy who was priced at 95 and is putting up 88 points a game.
If Grundy wasnt going beserk this would be a non issue.
But Grundy is going beserk. So it is an issue
Quote from: Holz on May 28, 2018, 11:10:46 AM
Never seen soo much talk about a guy who was priced at 95 and is putting up 88 points a game.
If Grundy wasnt going beserk this would be a non issue.
I like North & Goldstein, but I don't understand why you are so hellbent on defending him. He isn't a premium ruck this year and is way off the standard required. Owners have a right to be annoyed.
Quote from: Ricochet on May 28, 2018, 11:14:39 AM
Quote from: Holz on May 28, 2018, 11:10:46 AM
Never seen soo much talk about a guy who was priced at 95 and is putting up 88 points a game.
If Grundy wasnt going beserk this would be a non issue.
But Grundy is going beserk. So it is an issue
Yes it is an issue, but its more of a needing Grundy then Goldy being horrible
realistically everyone but Gawn you could say you should trade to Grundy.
At least I didn't pick Sauce who has scored like Billings.
Quote from: Bully on May 28, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
At least I didn't pick Sauce who has scored like Billings.
Yeah lucky to have dodged that bullet ;D
Quote from: Bully on May 28, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
At least I didn't pick Sauce who has scored like Billings.
Sauce started the season so badly that most of his owners didn't hesitate on jumping to Grundy early though. Outside of the rare few that actually started with Grundy, I would argue they have benefited most.
Goldstein owners that decided to hold in hope he would repeat a few of his strong early performances have just delayed that inevitable trade and lost ~50 points per week in the process.
Quote from: Bully on May 28, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
At least I didn't pick Sauce who has scored like Billings.
I started with him and had him out at the start of rd 5. He scored 120 in rd 2 and thats as close as he got
Quote from: sammy123 on May 28, 2018, 11:54:24 AM
Quote from: Bully on May 28, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
At least I didn't pick Sauce who has scored like Billings.
I started with him and had him out at the start of rd 5. He scored 120 in rd 2 and thats as close as he got
Therein lies the issue when you cannot get your correction trades all done due to injuries, must have rookies etc.
How did he start playing so well the week I trade him out?
:o
76 just before 3/4, ooooops I mean 1/2 time, and I had him to Ryder pencilled in for next week. Go go Goldy !! !!
:)
Zero to hero in 3 weeks
Might have to edit the Subject name! I've held him with the view to swap him to Grundy after the bye! Maybe I can save a trade if he keeps this up!! Go Goldy you good thing. I take it all back........ for now!
Jeez so gld he found some form again, no point trading if he can hit 100 week in week out
Slowed down a bit in the last but just happy he’s hitting 100
123 a good return, should put on some decent cash now too.
I don't reckon it's worth trading him to Grundy anymore. 200k and a trade could be used much better elsewhere.
He's tonned up the last 3 weeks, and has looked much much better. 122 against Stef is very impressive, got 75 of his 102 last week when Sandi was on the ground, which was also great.
And Goldy doesn't have to go against Gawn or Kruezer for the rest of the season either!
Not trading unless he gets injured, that's the importance of getting his value up to 500k+.
Looked to have so much more confidence today, which he's really lacked in the past 12-18 months. Fingers crossed he can keep it up, but probably not worth the Grundy trade now.
He is not a superstar anymore, if you just compare him to what he is a solid premo then what he has done isnt really that much to talk about.
forget he is a ruck and forget his name.
when you pay around 500-550k for a player you expect some really good scores, some below average scores and then a decent average. Thats what goldy is and thats what he put up this year. I dont expect this scoring to stay, nor do i expect that bad patch to be the norm.
Thank flower Goldy is back!
Quote from: Holz on June 03, 2018, 06:29:21 PM
He is not a superstar anymore, if you just compare him to what he is a solid premo then what he has done isnt really that much to talk about.
forget he is a ruck and forget his name.
when you pay around 500-550k for a player you expect some really good scores, some below average scores and then a decent average. Thats what goldy is and thats what he put up this year. I dont expect this scoring to stay, nor do i expect that bad patch to be the norm.
Reckon he can average 100 from here, just gotta hope Grundy doesn't go nuts.
GODstein ;D
Preuss had 75 hitouts and 17 possi' in the VFL today. Against no RUC haha after Billy Longer pulled out a minute before kickoff.
Quote from: frenzy on June 03, 2018, 09:17:50 PM
GODstein ;D
Preuss had 75 hitouts and 17 possi' in the VFL today. Against no RUC haha after Billy Longer pulled out a minute before kickoff.
North are a legitimate premiership chance. Goldy must stay role ruck in the side the way they're playing, surely Scott isn't Worsfold-level silly to throw off team balance again? :P
However, this might be my Goldy owner bias showing. :-X
Quote from: Torpedo10 on June 03, 2018, 11:05:10 PM
Quote from: frenzy on June 03, 2018, 09:17:50 PM
GODstein ;D
Preuss had 75 hitouts and 17 possi' in the VFL today. Against no RUC haha after Billy Longer pulled out a minute before kickoff.
North are a legitimate premiership chance. Goldy must stay role ruck in the side the way they're playing, surely Scott isn't Worsfold-level silly to throw off team balance again? :P
However, this might be my Goldy owner bias showing. :-X
You wouldn't think so, particularly with Waite returning next week
Gun
So mad I lost the faith and traded Goldie to NicNat 3 rounds ago:
Goldie 112, 102, 123 - 112 Ave - 420k to 469k
NicNat: 118, 107, 129 - 118 Ave - 469k to 513k
I blew a trade and 49k for a 5 ppg average increase.
:'( >:(
Is Goldy back?
Been a solid month now
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 09, 2018, 04:39:55 PM
Is Goldy back?
Been a solid month now
Four tons in a row would suggest so.
Has been clunking a couple of contested marks and a goal a game which is helping
Looks like I’ll keep him and luxury trade him to Grundy if it’s beneficial once everything else is sorted
Todd Prettygoodstein.
I'm liking his recent form.
Has become a POD in the top 10 overall. The fact he outscored Dangerfield was a bonus today!
Glad I kept him, that's 6 tons in 12 games, not too shabby.
Quote from: Bully on June 09, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Glad I kept him, that's 6 tons in 12 games, not too shabby.
Wish I was bold enough to say I kept the faith but truth is I kept him due to more pressing issues.
Happy to stick with him now. He can be the final luxury trade to Grundy if needed/warranted.
Quote from: Bully on June 09, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Glad I kept him, that's 6 tons in 12 games, not too shabby.
+1
A couple of nice little games coming up for him to, with Bulldogs next week and Essendon who leak a fair few points to rucks.
Traded the prick before last weeks game,absolute asshole
Quote from: rfc4eva on June 11, 2018, 12:49:05 AM
Traded the prick before last weeks game,absolute asshole
You traded a 90 average premo coming off back to back 100 scores.
No i traded him after scoring 1 100 in 7 weeks.Was wanting to get rid of him for weeks finally got the chance, have grundy now.give him a week or 2 and he'll be back to 70's and 80's
5 consecutive 100+ SC scores. Good too see him find his best form again.
GOATstein
Change the name of the god damn thread!
Quote from: jfitty on June 23, 2018, 10:43:33 PM
Change the name of the god damn thread!
Leave it as is. He turned the corner when this was posted!
GUNstein is back in town!
Quote from: tkringle on June 23, 2018, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: jfitty on June 23, 2018, 10:43:33 PM
Change the name of the god damn thread!
Leave it as is. He turned the corner when this was posted!
I second this.
Goldy has single handedly (maybe with Sicily) saved my weekend.
How did he hit such a fine patch of form the week I get rid of him?
Quote from: Mongoose528 on June 23, 2018, 10:54:53 PM
How did he hit such a fine patch of form the week I get rid of him?
Muuuuuhhhhaaaaa ;D ROFL
Quote from: Mongoose528 on June 23, 2018, 10:54:53 PM
How did he hit such a fine patch of form the week I get rid of him?
Simple you traded out a premium after a poor patch of games.
You didnt trade out a spud who is now having a good patch. This patch is who he has been the last 8 years
Since this thread was created Goldy has has pretty much tonned in every game. ;D
Maybe Goldstein had a read of it and now he’s trolling us haha, I don’t know what the real reason has been since his improvement over the past 5-6 games but let’s hope it’s here to stay.
Can we now make a thread for hibbered and hope he comes good
Quote from: smashbox on June 24, 2018, 05:08:45 AM
Can we now make a thread for hibbered and hope he comes good
And Crouch..
He hasn't had the toughest of opponents lately, playing GWS,Dogs and Cats, did ok against Stef though.
Hope he keeps up the scoring, but he does face Grundy,NicNat,Ryder,Stef and an in form Belly on the run home.
Quote from: ubeaut on June 24, 2018, 08:43:36 PM
He hasn't had the toughest of opponents lately, playing GWS,Dogs and Cats, did ok against Stef though.
Hope he keeps up the scoring, but he does face Grundy,NicNat,Ryder,Stef and an in form Belly on the run home.
Not too worried about his opposition
His attitude and approach was the problem and he seems have changed that a lot now and his results reflect that
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 24, 2018, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on June 24, 2018, 08:43:36 PM
He hasn't had the toughest of opponents lately, playing GWS,Dogs and Cats, did ok against Stef though.
Hope he keeps up the scoring, but he does face Grundy,NicNat,Ryder,Stef and an in form Belly on the run home.
Not too worried about his opposition
His attitude and approach was the problem and he seems have changed that a lot now and his results reflect that
After Round 8: "Two more rounds then he's gone, Ryder is in"
Inner me: "What if he tons 2/2?"
Me: "He won't ton 2/2 he's got Sandi Rd 10"
. . .
Let's just go with I'm glad I held! He was superb on Saturday night, albeit against no opposition. Great to see him get possessions along with hitouts too, that's what I found most pleasing.
If you're anything like me and need the trades I'd wear it for the year and hope he puts together some big scores.
Quote from: Trindacut on June 27, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
If you're anything like me and need the trades I'd wear it for the year and hope he puts together some big scores.
wear what?
Quote from: Holz on June 28, 2018, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: Trindacut on June 27, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
If you're anything like me and need the trades I'd wear it for the year and hope he puts together some big scores.
wear what?
LOL, Trinda must have got mixed up
All I'm wearing is 100+ weekly scores from Goldy 8)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 28, 2018, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: Holz on June 28, 2018, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: Trindacut on June 27, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
If you're anything like me and need the trades I'd wear it for the year and hope he puts together some big scores.
wear what?
LOL, Trinda must have got mixed up
All I'm wearing is 100+ weekly scores from Goldy 8)
5 round average of 116
3 round average of 122
you know what, i can handle that.
Can we change the title thread to Todd Thebeststein?
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 28, 2018, 12:12:24 PM
Can we change the title thread to Todd Thebeststein?
No. Do u want him to go back to 70-80 scores? Lol.
I actually think Goldy will have a down week this week.
Prove me wrong Goldy.
Quote from: ubeaut on June 28, 2018, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 28, 2018, 12:12:24 PM
Can we change the title thread to Todd Thebeststein?
No. Do u want him to go back to 70-80 scores? Lol.
Todd Uttergrabagejunkestruckinthegamestein ;D
Quote from: ubeaut on June 28, 2018, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 28, 2018, 12:12:24 PM
Can we change the title thread to Todd Thebeststein?
No. Do u want him to go back to 70-80 scores? Lol.
The thread name is fine, think of it another way its what opponents say when they see they are playing Goldy in their league match and he is going to drops a 130 on them
Quote from: Holz on June 28, 2018, 12:34:12 PM
I actually think Goldy will have a down week this week.
Prove me wrong Goldy.
Well he proved me wrong
Todd GOATstein
Quote from: Brikett on July 06, 2018, 03:48:27 PM
Todd GOATstein
Thanks for ruining the great run... ::)
Goldy on track for a monster.
GOATstein
7 straight tonnes
People may be going Grundy to Goldy soon ;D
Now averaging 99.9, with 9 tons.
Quote from: HoleMeal on July 08, 2018, 04:06:59 PM
7 straight tonnes
People may be going Grundy to Goldy soon ;D
Doubt it. Grundy on 22 disposals 115 points early in 3rd quarter.
Quote from: ubeaut on July 08, 2018, 06:17:59 PM
Quote from: HoleMeal on July 08, 2018, 04:06:59 PM
7 straight tonnes
People may be going Grundy to Goldy soon ;D
Doubt it. Grundy on 22 disposals 115 points early in 3rd quarter.
It was tongue in cheek mate
Best thread ever ;D
Yeah big Todd is going well but jeez you’re losing points not owning big Grundy! What a gun
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:14:25 PM
Yeah big Todd is going well but jeez you’re losing points not owning big Grundy! What a gun
Over the last 7 weeks there wouldn't be much difference, certainly not worth a trade IMO
Quote from: Bully on July 08, 2018, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:14:25 PM
Yeah big Todd is going well but jeez you’re losing points not owning big Grundy! What a gun
Over the last 7 weeks there wouldn't be much difference, certainly not worth a trade IMO
Grundy 897/7 Avg - 128
Goldy 825/7 Avg - 118
Not much difference true, but would much rather Grundy. Yearly average 127 v 99
Yeah I'd be regretting trading Goldy to Grundy in round 4 if it wasn't for Grundy continuing to pump out huge scores
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Bully on July 08, 2018, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:14:25 PM
Yeah big Todd is going well but jeez you’re losing points not owning big Grundy! What a gun
Over the last 7 weeks there wouldn't be much difference, certainly not worth a trade IMO
Grundy 897/7 Avg - 128
Goldy 825/7 Avg - 118
Not much difference true, but would much rather Grundy. Yearly average 127 v 99
I have Goldy, but Grundy just looks like scoring every time the ball goes near him, and he looks fit and strong. If trades weren't an issue, worth paying the extra 70k for Grundy.
Quote from: Deadly6 on July 09, 2018, 10:32:34 AM
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Bully on July 08, 2018, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:14:25 PM
Yeah big Todd is going well but jeez you’re losing points not owning big Grundy! What a gun
Over the last 7 weeks there wouldn't be much difference, certainly not worth a trade IMO
Grundy 897/7 Avg - 128
Goldy 825/7 Avg - 118
Not much difference true, but would much rather Grundy. Yearly average 127 v 99
I have Goldy, but Grundy just looks like scoring every time the ball goes near him, and he looks fit and strong. If trades weren't an issue, worth paying the extra 70k for Grundy.
70k + 1 trade for an extra 70 points? Would be madness at this time of the year.
Quote from: Bully on July 09, 2018, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Deadly6 on July 09, 2018, 10:32:34 AM
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Bully on July 08, 2018, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: _wato on July 08, 2018, 09:14:25 PM
Yeah big Todd is going well but jeez you’re losing points not owning big Grundy! What a gun
Over the last 7 weeks there wouldn't be much difference, certainly not worth a trade IMO
Grundy 897/7 Avg - 128
Goldy 825/7 Avg - 118
Not much difference true, but would much rather Grundy. Yearly average 127 v 99
I have Goldy, but Grundy just looks like scoring every time the ball goes near him, and he looks fit and strong. If trades weren't an issue, worth paying the extra 70k for Grundy.
70k + 1 trade for an extra 70 points? Would be madness at this time of the year.
Yep if you have Goldy you have nothing to complain about lately complete waste of a trade unless you have heaps left ;)
So glad I stuck fat with him! Have to admit, many times I hovered over his icon with a view to swap him to Grundy and cough up two trades. ;)
GODstein with another ton, 118 average over the past 8 weeks.
Quote from: Bully on July 15, 2018, 06:48:37 PM
GODstein with another ton, 118 average over the past 8 weeks.
Definitely turned things around in the second half of the season. No need to trade him to Grundy anymore!
The decision to keep him is even more vindicated with the injuries to NicNat and Ryder!!
Go GODstein you good thing!! :)
He has become a huge POD against the top 10 and loving that he beat Grundy this week!!
Quote from: Chrispy75 on July 15, 2018, 09:21:05 PM
He has become a huge POD against the top 10 and loving that he beat Grundy this week!!
Congrats on the number 1. rank mate.
Keep it going!
Since Goldy has hit form with 8 tons in a row i haven’t lost a league game :D
8 wins in a row!
What a huge POD he’s been every week!
Quote from: Hazza09 on July 15, 2018, 11:16:55 PM
Since Goldy has hit form with 8 tons in a row i haven’t lost a league game :D
8 wins in a row!
What a huge POD he’s been every week!
Could be in for a bit of a challenge this week against Grundy but he's be outstanding over the past couple of months
Quote from: Ricochet on July 16, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
Could be in for a bit of a challenge this week against Grundy but he's be outstanding over the past couple of months
Yep, 2 months ago was the buy-in time, 420k & has since averaged a tick under 120. Only 46 points under Grundypants.
Quote from: Hazza09 on July 15, 2018, 11:16:55 PM
Since Goldy has hit form with 8 tons in a row i haven’t lost a league game :D
8 wins in a row!
What a huge POD he’s been every week!
The bloke sitting at numero uno has Goldy, has also saved a trade & 150k. Fair to say that holding was the best course of action.
Todd backtobeingordinarystein
Quote from: SilverLion on August 04, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
Todd backtobeingordinarystein
Yeah, 10 ton streak over. Bad timing too.
Really was a pieceofshyte today.
And was only up against a second ruck in Oscar for 75% of time.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on August 04, 2018, 05:57:47 PM
Really was a pieceofshyte today.
todd "i am going to flower up your SC season" stien.
Quote from: crowls on August 04, 2018, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on August 04, 2018, 05:57:47 PM
Really was a pieceofshyte today.
todd "i am going to flower up your SC season" stien.
Looking like another Grundy bloodbath just to add salt into the wounds.
+100, season over for me.
He'd been so good for so long then does this first week of finals :'( heart breaking Todd
Quote from: quinny88 on August 04, 2018, 11:29:48 PM
He'd been so good for so long then does this first week of finals :'( heart breaking Todd
Yep, as above. I have him in Classic and Draft and both are going down to the wire. I have a second chance, but really need to get Grundy in Classic me thinks. Not happy ………. Todd! >:(
Quote from: quinny88 on August 04, 2018, 11:29:48 PM
He'd been so good for so long then does this first week of finals :'( heart breaking Todd
Would have taken a low 100 too, this alone will see me bumped from most of my finals.
Quote from: Bully on August 05, 2018, 03:29:58 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on August 04, 2018, 11:29:48 PM
He'd been so good for so long then does this first week of finals :'( heart breaking Todd
Would have taken a low 100 too, this alone will see me bumped from most of my finals.
Having Grundy go +100 against Goldy won me a few finals, so top work Goldy!
He almost ruined it for me.. getting Macrae in and benching Rocky saved the day in my finals JUST
Really crap effort.
However, popular players Heeney, McLean, Laird and Westhoff all failed so hard to place the blame on just Goldy.
Quote from: ubeaut on August 05, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Really crap effort.
However, popular players Heeney, McLean, Laird and Westhoff all failed so hard to place the blame on just Goldy.
It's more the fact he conceded 100 points to Grundy, that's way too much to claw back.
Quote from: Bully on August 05, 2018, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on August 05, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Really crap effort.
However, popular players Heeney, McLean, Laird and Westhoff all failed so hard to place the blame on just Goldy.
It's more the fact he conceded 100 points to Grundy, that's way too much to claw back.
Fair point.
Wish I had Grundy I would have scored 2700.