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Title: JOM
Post by: Holz on February 27, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
There where alot of teams where this selection blew up in their face last season but where we a season too early on this pick.

Jaeger Omeara at the moment is locked firmly in my squad. He killed it in the intra club match with no strapping on his year and is having a far better preseason then last year. He is looking like he will line up in the first JLT game too.

He was handball happy last year but id bank on that being him worried about the knee. He wasn't handball happy when he first entered the league.

At 315k he is just 115k more then the top priced rookies.

Basically im comparing him to

200k rookie + 115k
Lycett/Simpson in the ruck
Seedsman/Braysahw in defence

and to me he just looks like he has a great chance to smash them in scoring.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 11:05:01 AM
He's on my watch list but I have my reservations

Might be good to pick if you're also starting Titch just to hedge against

Griff at 277k I see more value in at this stage I think
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on February 27, 2018, 11:32:23 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 11:05:01 AM
He's on my watch list but I have my reservations

Might be good to pick if you're also starting Titch just to hedge against

Griff at 277k I see more value in at this stage I think

I must admit i have floated the idea of going both.

Not sure i agree with the Ticth hedge as Titch i think will score no matter what JOM does. If JOM is healthy he will draw attention away from him on the tag and provide a link up player. If he doesnt then we know Titch can score.

Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
He's certainly no Hugh Greenwood.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: batt on February 27, 2018, 12:59:33 PM
That 36 touch 89SC game is still at the front of my mind when I think about him.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on February 27, 2018, 01:53:53 PM
Quote from: batt on February 27, 2018, 12:59:33 PM
That 36 touch 89SC game is still at the front of my mind when I think about him.
Doesn't take much to increase that scoring. He was handball happy and coming back from a long break. With more confidence in his body he'll kick more and is showing that break away pace from stoppages.
A 90 avg is still a win over a 65-70 rookie and he's got the ability to go 100+.
He still got it 36 times. Only way is up if he stays on the park.
Better to go for injury risk players than scoring risk players like Brayshaw from the Dees at similar price.
I had him last year but I believe in second chances.

Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Money Shot on February 27, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
Pros: Great bye, 100+ scoring capability, full preseason with no strapping on his legs, very underpriced.

Cons: Injury history.

When I look at it like that it makes me really want to pick him. Would much prefer him than Brayshaw (Mel) but don't know if I can trust someone like Coffield at D4.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: TomK on February 27, 2018, 02:57:34 PM
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 12:07:58 PM
He's certainly no Hugh Greenwood.
Nobody is :-*
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on February 27, 2018, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 27, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
Pros: Great bye, 100+ scoring capability, full preseason with no strapping on his legs, very underpriced.

Cons: Injury history.

When I look at it like that it makes me really want to pick him. Would much prefer him than Brayshaw (Mel) but don't know if I can trust someone like Coffield at D4.

my number 1 key to sucess is always pick the player who the risk is injury over players who the risk is scoring.

I guess the majorly positive note is he pumped out 91 Sc on 25 touches plus 11 marks. Thats a bad SC score but was pretty promising.

He really just needs to turn the kicking around 15 handballs to 7 kicks is really unusual for him. He went 9 handballs to 12 kicks prior to the injury.



Title: Re: JOM
Post by: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 04:05:52 PM
Spent a lot of the pre season in my team but have gone off him recently.
Really keen to see him in the JLT though.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Pepi on February 27, 2018, 09:51:10 PM
I still have nightmares from starting him last season  :'(
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Ricochet on February 28, 2018, 12:11:18 AM
Quote from: Pepi on February 27, 2018, 09:51:10 PM
I still have nightmares from starting him last season  :'(
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Levi434 on February 28, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
If you're not starting JOM you may as well delete your team right now
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ben_020285 on February 28, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
Quote from: Levi434 on February 28, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
If you're not starting JOM you may as well delete your team right now

Why's that?
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.

I feel like JOM at M7 this year will leave you far too exposed in other areas, especially so this year when rookie options appear so thin. My current team has Coniglio at M6, though he is the player/position that will be sacrificed if I need to stack my defence a bit more, which seems likely.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Bully on February 28, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.

I feel like JOM at M7 this year will leave you far too exposed in other areas, especially so this year when rookie options appear so thin. My current team has Coniglio at M6, though he is the player/position that will be sacrificed if I need to stack my defence a bit more, which seems likely.

I think this will be an important decision for many, Martin/Mitchell & 120k rookie vs Cogs & O'Meara. I've gone the latter and reckon I'll get the points & the cash.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on February 28, 2018, 01:44:15 PM
Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.

I feel like JOM at M7 this year will leave you far too exposed in other areas, especially so this year when rookie options appear so thin. My current team has Coniglio at M6, though he is the player/position that will be sacrificed if I need to stack my defence a bit more, which seems likely.

I currently have JOM at m5 with griffen at m6. So going very weak mids at the moment.

I have the best of the best mids, rucks and defenders though with

Hurley Laird Hibberd Houli
Dmart Danger Titchell Fyfe
Goldy Gawn

bit is still only have 2 premos up front. 
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.
Very good point and one I always keep in mind when selecting team.
However who's likely to drop significantly? This year in mids seems a bit different.
Hard to bet against Danger (best player in comp, even with a drop due to more fwd time still top 3 in SC)
Dusty (second best player, can still improve)
Titch ( ball magnet with little competition for points in team)

Hanners is a good player but not in the same league as the above.
Pendles is 30 and has been overtaken by younger players.

If I were to pick anyone likely to drop it would be Crouch with Gibbs coming in,
Kelly who also has alot of competition for points or Oliver IF he gets tagged a bit.

And who bounces back or breaks into top 10? Parker? Selwood? Bont? Pendles? Treloar?Macrae? Beams?Rocky?

The hard part is picking who will drop off and who will jump up.

And that still leaves 2 out of 3 of Danger,Dusty,Titch as almost must haves AND Fyfe who is underpriced.
So doesn't leave much room to pick more than 1 maybe 2 cheaper mids and hope u pick the right ones.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.

Sage advice. So many players have just had season outliers. Dusty eclipsed his previous best by 10 points, Hurley clocked a ton for the first time, TMitchell smashed his previous best.

To win this game you have to pick break-outs, I think we're just witnessing generation next so time to pull out the cyrstal ball to some extent.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Bully on February 28, 2018, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration

Let's hope so, been a slow developer but certainly has some weapons.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 05:09:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration

Let's hope so, been a slow developer but certainly has some weapons.
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For sure. He's all class but looks like he needs a rocket to get out of 2nd gear. Fingers crossed this is the year]
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: frenzy on February 28, 2018, 05:26:27 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration

JLT 2 is against Norf, don't reckon they will offer much resistance. May make the bombers look like top 4 contenders.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on February 28, 2018, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.

Sage advice. So many players have just had season outliers. Dusty eclipsed his previous best by 10 points, Hurley clocked a ton for the first time, TMitchell smashed his previous best.

To win this game you have to pick break-outs, I think we're just witnessing generation next so time to pull out the cyrstal ball to some extent.

Got to disagree, while I have never won i have come pretty close. The times I did i had the best of the best premos and really just played the rookie game great.

The starting team is not that important, jumping early on trades is the important bit. The winner last year started with JOM Swallow Petracca and Roughy.

He jumped on Murphy and WHE round 3 as they where evident they where going to break out. He also jumped on Oliver and Yeo pretty early on.

Having the best of the best guys gives you this flexibility.

Id back in most of the super premo guys i picked up to be good, its why i have chosen guys with repeated premo seasons.

Back to JOM as i said last years winner had JOM and it didnt pan out. You just need to be ready to move. I think Super Premos and Rookies is the way to go. Just throw in a few guys like JOM.

droping a 550k mid to JOM means i can upgrade 2-3 premos to super premos and thats super valuable.



here is the example

Cripps 540k
Loyd 480k
Bont 577k
Mclean/Walters 470k


JOM 315k
Hurley 560k
Ticthell 650k
Buddy 540k

worse case with JOM you just jump on the best rookie you missed or another midpricer you missed. Super premos are hard to bring in and if they start off having a shocker you can always move them on. It just adds flexibility with the best of the best and a few speculative picks in my books. Its much easier to move down then it is up.

Say you have Loyd going 85 87 and Hurley explodes with 115 107 then what do you do?





Title: Re: JOM
Post by: crowls on February 28, 2018, 07:00:40 PM
This site has too many intelligent people contributing.    Been quiet for a while now and have had goldy and jom in my side for most of this time.     Really hope they remain PODs. 
JOM- major upside,  if he performs without injury restriction be highly unlikely to average less than 100.   He is my Murphy of 2018,  come year end M8/9 loopholing with someone else.   If he is reinjured then trade down to best performing rookie i dont have.


Goldy,  for me it is personal,  over the past 18 months or so I have seen the impact of personal circumstances on work and personal performance.    Goldy seems to have these behind him and is will average 100 plus with potential upside.   



Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Gandalf123 on February 28, 2018, 07:19:09 PM
Jaeger definitely not a Pod unfortunately, big ownership last I checked
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Levi434 on February 28, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
You guys are all overthinking and overanalysing it.

JOM is a potential premo/borderline keeper for just over 300k. Lock him in.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Bully on February 28, 2018, 08:01:19 PM
Strap yourselves in folks!

(https://i.imgur.com/xZyECtg.jpg)
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: crowls on February 28, 2018, 08:05:25 PM
You sure this guy wasnt at essendon getting the free juice.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: bkimm32 on February 28, 2018, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: Levi434 on February 28, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
If you're not starting JOM you may as well delete your team right now
Haha worst advice I've heard
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Levi434 on February 28, 2018, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: bkimm32 on February 28, 2018, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: Levi434 on February 28, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
If you're not starting JOM you may as well delete your team right now
Haha worst advice I've heard

Reported. Emotional distress.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: eaglesman on March 01, 2018, 12:31:24 AM
I’m trying hard to get jaegar to m6 griff to m7.

Gotta skimp the backs
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: quinny88 on March 01, 2018, 12:34:57 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on March 01, 2018, 12:31:24 AM
I’m trying hard to get jaegar to m6 griff to m7.

Gotta skimp the backs

How can you skimp in the backs with no rookies? Lol
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Levi434 on March 01, 2018, 02:03:58 AM
Is Holz trying to bamboozle us all?



(https://i.imgur.com/WNvwdtn.png)
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: jfitty on March 01, 2018, 09:57:15 AM
He's starting to get really comfortable in my side at M5 currently.

So much upside, and by all reports the body is feeling fantastic (which is the key for me). See how he goes in the JLT games, but if he looks to be moving freely and finding the pill I'll lock him in.

If you have a safe/solid midfield around him (Danger, Martin, Fyfe, etc), I don't see any harm taking a punt on him.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: LordSneeze on March 01, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
There is really a limit on the amount of players you should take as risks, with limited trades you won't have trades available to fix them if a chunk don't perform. Add in if prems underperform or you miss a rookie.

its why taking the locked in guns are so important and the mid price strategy rarely works.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on March 01, 2018, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 01, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
There is really a limit on the amount of players you should take as risks, with limited trades you won't have trades available to fix them if a chunk don't perform. Add in if prems underperform or you miss a rookie.

its why taking the locked in guns are so important and the mid price strategy rarely works.

:)

Too true. The limit for me is two. Presently risking Hanley and JOM. I've talked up Gazza all preseason but will steer clear unless he plays a JLT. If he plays in one of them I'll have faith that he has faith in his body and somehow it will be bye bye Hanley. I honestly believe the upside of risking Gazza and JOM worth it. But the reality is that more than likely neither will be a keeper and they have to score high enough to justify two trades.

;)
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: smashbox on March 01, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Anybody considering Armitage over JOM. Averaged 109 2 years ago, consistently has averaged over 90. Probably a safer option than JOM
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Gigantor on March 01, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: smashbox on March 01, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Anybody considering Armitage over JOM. Averaged 109 2 years ago, consistently has averaged over 90. Probably a safer option than JOM

Has had as bad an injury run as JOM in the last two years

But both are good picks scoring wise, feeling like they have a floor of 80 and both could go 100+

The risk is injury for me. Will probably start one if the rookie situation is looking bleak
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on March 01, 2018, 05:31:41 PM
Yeah Armo and JOM both carry a risk of injury.
In JOMs favour is age and automatic lock in best 18 and inside mid time. Armo has more competition for minutes/points.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Ringo on March 01, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
I am only starting 3 Hanley, O'Meara and Bundy although he is probably a more high priced rookie than a mid pricer,
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on March 01, 2018, 06:12:05 PM
Quote from: Ringo on March 01, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
I am only starting 3 Hanley, O'Meara and Bundy although he is probably a more high priced rookie than a mid pricer,
Got the same 3 and Sicily. Not really sold on Hanley or Sicily I'm just finding it hard to fill D3+4. Yeo and Hurley overpriced, don't trust Brayshaw,Shaw,LMcDonald etc.

On JOM, I've heard Hawthorn say that although it was a knee issue in the same knee he originally injured it was a totally different issue.
So he's now over both those issues, most importantly the first issue as it was the most serious. Am I making sense lol.
So that's positive in my book unless they are lying but don't see why they would.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: RoughRed on March 02, 2018, 02:43:45 AM
Quote from: Ringo on March 01, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
I am only starting 3 Hanley, O'Meara and Bundy although he is probably a more high priced rookie than a mid pricer,
Running with Bundy and Sicily
BUT
Have followed JOM as a WA junior and will probably start him (heart over head) if there is any chance of him getting up for round 1.

Not really sold on Sicily either but he works for the team balance at the moment :)
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: DunnyBrush on March 03, 2018, 11:29:40 AM
People came around to Sicily after Clarkos comments, his numbers soared in ownership.
But he was always a solid pick when you break it down, the R12 bye especially in the backline is gold, at 400k even if
he scores at 85 it isn't a huge lose so no down side really, then there's that dpp which will be awesome over the byes +
great for looping later in the year when you bring in a dpp rookie downgrade.

So many solid reasons.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: DunnyBrush on March 03, 2018, 11:30:49 AM
As for JOM if he gets thru a full JLT or 2 and there are no rumors of issues i might take the gamble.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 12:21:18 PM
I guess the other benefit of starting JOM is if he does break down or doesn't score well enough, you could downgrade him to a missed rookie and still have funds to fix another correction

At the end of the day, if he's fit which is the only real concern then I think he could well be worth starting and the downside/worst case scenario won't actually be that bad
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on March 03, 2018, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 12:21:18 PM
I guess the other benefit of starting JOM is if he does break down or doesn't score well enough, you could downgrade him to a missed rookie and still have funds to fix another correction

At the end of the day, if he's fit which is the only real concern then I think he could well be worth starting and the downside/worst case scenario won't actually be that bad

Totally agree. Plus  JOM  would have a reasonably high ceiling should all go well. And let's face it, he is priced according to risk.

;)
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Mongoose528 on March 18, 2018, 03:22:06 PM
Do you think it'll be worth starting with JOM in 2018?
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ando_10 on March 18, 2018, 03:31:25 PM
no when he does his knee doing his laces up.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: meow meow on March 18, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Absolutely. Try to get as many mid pricers in as possible.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: BB67th on March 18, 2018, 06:15:20 PM
Between Conigs, libba and Armitage, there are better mid price options this year in the midfield. JOM is on to my blacklist until he can put together a full season of premium scoring without the injuries.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Levi434 on March 18, 2018, 07:34:42 PM
Have had JOM locked in the entire preseason. Mid pricers are the way to go.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Goosey on March 18, 2018, 07:57:19 PM
I'm loading up on mid pricers this year...but not this one.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: tommy10 on March 18, 2018, 08:34:07 PM
Now that Danger is 50/50 I might take the risk and go all out mid pricer in mids:
Conigs, Libba, Redden, Fiorini, Arma, JOM, Grif and Graham. Done  8)
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Goosey on March 18, 2018, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: tommy10 on March 18, 2018, 08:34:07 PM
Now that Danger is 50/50 I might take the risk and go all out mid pricer in mids:
Conigs, Libba, Redden, Fiorini, Arma, JOM, Grif and Graham. Done  8)
Frees up plenty of cash for the other lines!
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: SilverLion on March 18, 2018, 08:38:45 PM
Isn't this thread already going about JOM?

http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,110856.0.html

Regardless, I prefer Arma and I couldn't pick both.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: bkimm32 on March 18, 2018, 09:43:36 PM
I grabbed him in round 3 or 4 last year, a couple 60s then he was out for the season with injury

Told myself never again and I'm sticking to that
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: GoLions on March 18, 2018, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 18, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Absolutely. Try to get as many mid pricers in as possible.
Bastinac vs Isaac Smith? Both? I'm actually leaning towards Stephen Hill, believe it or not.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: meow meow on March 18, 2018, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: GoLions on March 18, 2018, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 18, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Absolutely. Try to get as many mid pricers in as possible.
Bastinac vs Isaac Smith? Both? I'm actually leaning towards Stephen Hill, believe it or not.

Find a way to get all three. You will be rewarded handsomely. And if you can somehow get Lewis Jetta in then you can shout me a cold beverage when you claim the $50,000.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: GoLions on March 18, 2018, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 18, 2018, 10:56:39 PM
Quote from: GoLions on March 18, 2018, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 18, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Absolutely. Try to get as many mid pricers in as possible.
Bastinac vs Isaac Smith? Both? I'm actually leaning towards Stephen Hill, believe it or not.

Find a way to get all three. You will be rewarded handsomely. And if you can somehow get Lewis Jetta in then you can shout me a cold beverage when you claim the $50,000.
Might be able to squeeze him into M9 and loophole Smith with some dud each week, and play Jetta if Smith scores average.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Colty on April 12, 2018, 10:04:40 PM
He’s been threatening to explode and I think it’s just around the corner, maybe this week, anyone thinking this week is the week to get him?
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on April 12, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
I started him and while he's looking good, improving every week and just got 100+ I don't know if i would be getting him in if I didn't have him.
It also depends who you're trading out and other issues in your team?
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on April 12, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.
Why? He just tonned up. Getting better every week. He was always gonna start slow after so long out of the game. What were u expecting 100 avg straight up for 300k?
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 11:11:03 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on April 12, 2018, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.
Why? He just tonned up. Getting better every week. He was always gonna start slow after so long out of the game. What were u expecting 100 avg straight up for 300k?

Hasn't really impressed me, looks slow and lethargic. He also got given a free goal with a minute remaining in the game last week, remove that and he's averaging 80 - not good enough. I'm not waiting around for him to post big tons to make any worthwhile cash so I'm cutting him and his teammate Cyril now.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on April 13, 2018, 12:51:49 PM
you would have to have an amazing team to consider moving him on.

I think he is just warming into it, in round 2 he was tracking along nicely before he gave away a few free kicks late. Has a BE of 37 and 35 in the next 2 weeks so if he can just put up 80s then he will jump up to about 380k and he is just a double trade away from a super premo.

If he does better then just keep him. He got 16 contested touches on the weekend thats a great sign. i reckon he puts up 75-85 this week and goes 100+ on north the week after.



Title: Re: JOM
Post by: shaker on April 13, 2018, 12:58:35 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 13, 2018, 12:51:49 PM
you would have to have an amazing team to consider moving him on.

I think he is just warming into it, in round 2 he was tracking along nicely before he gave away a few free kicks late. Has a BE of 37 and 35 in the next 2 weeks so if he can just put up 80s then he will jump up to about 380k and he is just a double trade away from a super premo.

If he does better then just keep him. He got 16 contested touches on the weekend thats a great sign. i reckon he puts up 75-85 this week and goes 100+ on north the week after.




Traded his ass out last week for Coniglio, so my team is amazing wow  :P
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: smashbox on April 15, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
Going large today! Backing up from his 100 last week. Gonna be a nice price rise coming up
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 06:53:40 PM
Where was this last season?  :-\

I'm not too worried. Only a matter of time before he breaks down again, despite my hopes for him to explode.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.

Hope you didn't follow through with that.  :P
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on April 15, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 06:53:40 PM
Where was this last season?  :-\

I'm not too worried. Only a matter of time before he breaks down again, despite my hopes for him to explode.

Should be worried if he can just last 3 more weeks he wont be too far off a premium.

Must have a low BE.

Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Gigantor on April 15, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 15, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 06:53:40 PM
Where was this last season?  :-\

I'm not too worried. Only a matter of time before he breaks down again, despite my hopes for him to explode.

Should be worried if he can just last 3 more weeks he wont be too far off a premium.

Must have a low BE.

Somewhere around the -15 mark
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: PowerBug on April 15, 2018, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.

Hope you didn't follow through with that.  :P
I hope he did, doesn't deserve to own him after those rude comments :P

I picked him this year for one main reason; I didn't own him last year and I thought it would be funny if everyone who got burned by him last season while I watched them suffer had to see him dominate this season while I owned him ;D Was my only midprice selection this week and even if he gets injured next week, I think this is a success of a pick :)
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Gigantor on April 15, 2018, 07:14:45 PM
JOM over Arma probably the only good thing I’ve done this year
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on April 15, 2018, 07:14:45 PM
JOM over Arma probably the only good thing I’ve done this year

This has hurt me big time.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: tkringle on April 15, 2018, 07:33:35 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:15:42 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on April 15, 2018, 07:14:45 PM
JOM over Arma probably the only good thing I’ve done this year

This has hurt me big time.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 15, 2018, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.

Hope you didn't follow through with that.  :P
I hope he did, doesn't deserve to own him after those rude comments :P

I picked him this year for one main reason; I didn't own him last year and I thought it would be funny if everyone who got burned by him last season while I watched them suffer had to see him dominate this season while I owned him ;D Was my only midprice selection this week and even if he gets injured next week, I think this is a success of a pick :)
;D

Yeah, I think at this stage he has to be a success for those who risked it for him. Like Holz said, he'll skyrocket to 450-500k in no time. The next question is, when do you hop off the train? Before the byes, or can he last and be a virtue with his less popular R12 bye?
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Gigantor on April 15, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 15, 2018, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.

Hope you didn't follow through with that.  :P
I hope he did, doesn't deserve to own him after those rude comments :P

I picked him this year for one main reason; I didn't own him last year and I thought it would be funny if everyone who got burned by him last season while I watched them suffer had to see him dominate this season while I owned him ;D Was my only midprice selection this week and even if he gets injured next week, I think this is a success of a pick :)
;D

Yeah, I think at this stage he has to be a success for those who risked it for him. Like Holz said, he'll skyrocket to 450-500k in no time. The next question is, when do you hop off the train? Before the byes, or can he last and be a virtue with his less popular R12 bye?

If he can get his average over 100 he’s a keeper for me
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: crowls on April 15, 2018, 09:02:14 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on April 15, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 15, 2018, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.

Hope you didn't follow through with that.  :P
I hope he did, doesn't deserve to own him after those rude comments :P

I picked him this year for one main reason; I didn't own him last year and I thought it would be funny if everyone who got burned by him last season while I watched them suffer had to see him dominate this season while I owned him ;D Was my only midprice selection this week and even if he gets injured next week, I think this is a success of a pick :)
;D

Yeah, I think at this stage he has to be a success for those who risked it for him. Like Holz said, he'll skyrocket to 450-500k in no time. The next question is, when do you hop off the train? Before the byes, or can he last and be a virtue with his less popular R12 bye?

If he can get his average over 100 he’s a keeper for me
probably do the same or at least until he is injured and should just be an easy sideways trade.   
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Adamant on April 15, 2018, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 12, 2018, 10:10:21 PM
I'm getting rid of him this week.

Hope you didn't follow through with that.  :P

You win some, you lose some.

If I didn't trade JOM I wouldn't have traded Cyril who scored 45 before doing his medial ligament. It only cost me 16 points this week (Macrae 103 + Garlett 71 over JOM 145 + Cyril 45), but long-term I'm much happier with the potential top-10 mid. Missing out on the incoming cash gen from Jaeger is the only downside.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: RoughRed on April 15, 2018, 10:55:03 PM
Happy happy happy
Great West Aussie kid doing the hard yards and winning my SC matches...
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: SilverLion on April 15, 2018, 11:54:15 PM
Should've picked him instead of Arma. Oh well.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: RoughRed on May 01, 2018, 10:50:17 PM
Yeah, I think at this stage he has to be a success for those who risked it for him. Like Holz said, he'll skyrocket to 450-500k in no time. The next question is, when do you hop off the train? Before the byes, or can he last and be a virtue with his less popular R12 bye?

This is the question - worth keeping or bail now with  BE 125 - $438,700 - has made me good money and averaged 88.17
Forecast 90 over next 3 games Essendon, Sydney then WCE
Rd 12 bye

Vs say Cripps
spend $134,800 from Cash or downgrade Holman/Banfield => Spargo
BE 46 averaging 118.6 forecast 120+ playing next 3 Adelaide Essendon Melbourne
Rd 12 bye
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: smashbox on May 02, 2018, 12:13:15 AM
I'm trading him. Hasn't been great last 2 weeks, and hasnt got a lot of the ball which is worrying. Don't want him losing cash. Think now is the best time to trade
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: ubeaut on May 02, 2018, 09:11:30 AM
Too up and down. High BE. Done well for owners. Would have liked another 50k and 5+ points a game, but 89 avg and 110k is pretty good for 310k.

Ideally trade this week, but with Walters down I'll probably trade next week to Crouch.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on May 02, 2018, 10:17:46 AM
Do you not have any rookies on field that you can trade out?

We all know he is up and down, he could easily pump out 90+ and then have a low BE  the next week when that 56 is out of his average.

at worst he loses 10-15k id at least give him one more week there are plenty of guys in my squad that id dump to get them off my field.
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Gigantor on May 02, 2018, 01:18:53 PM
I really want to hold him but if I don't trade him this week, Cripps could be 60k more in a few rounds

So for me its

JOM + McClean(in for Garlett)

vs

Cripps(in for JOM) + one of Fritsch/Guelfi/Henry

Probably not a lot of difference in points there so it comes down to cash
Cripps is going to jump in price where as McLean is unlikely to go up and could even go down. Plus JOM could drop a lot if he has another off game.
So all that points to JOM>Cripps being the best choice for me
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Hazza09 on May 11, 2018, 11:33:53 PM
Surely that’s him done now!
Time to go!
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Dazzalenko on May 12, 2018, 01:14:00 AM
Really glad I benched him, who to though? Martin will be cheap as chips next week but his current role worries me,  crouch or treloar?
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: Holz on May 12, 2018, 03:44:57 PM
Done a great job ill drop him next week
Title: Re: JOM
Post by: shaker on May 12, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: Holz on May 12, 2018, 03:44:57 PM
Done a great job ill drop him next week
Yep surprised you still have him was touted as being one of the best ever as a young player but injuries have just about stopped him from getting anywhere near ... maybe he can still get there but starting to doubt.