Billings? will he start rd 1?
Quote from: Colty on February 26, 2018, 03:23:09 PM
Billings? will he start rd 1?
Yes definitely. Expected to play JLT 2
Quote from: quinny88 on February 26, 2018, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: Colty on February 26, 2018, 03:23:09 PM
Billings? will he start rd 1?
Yes definitely. Expected to play JLT 2
not expected he is aiming but he will 100% play rnd 1
Lock
Seriously WTF was that tonight?
Second week in a row now, but tonight he was horrible!
Was nowhere to be seen in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
Is it time for him to go?
agree total lack of effort from him and poor execution as well.
Don't think it's time to go just yet, but tonight's performance was just woeful
Should have picked Heeney!
Quote from: Goosey on April 07, 2018, 11:36:20 PM
Should have picked Heeney!
Should have picked Walters or McLean
Not dropping Billings just yet as they were totally dominated around the ground in both the games he was poor in, will wait and see how he does against the Cats and if they're more competitive, if poorly I'll be looking at Mclean as I already have Heeney and Walters.
Annoying because we know he's good but can't keep making the same excuse that 'the Saints got pounded this week'
Glad I got Taranto over him :P
Lol jack will be fine. He has a few poor scores and then comes out with a string of 100s.
Drop him now and watch him kick 5 and have 20 odd possys
Quote from: bkimm32 on April 08, 2018, 11:49:09 AM
Lol jack will be fine. He has a few poor scores and then comes out with a string of 100s.
Drop him now and watch him kick 5 and have 20 odd possys
Exactly this. He will come good. I hope everyone jumps off tho
Quote from: Jalapeno on April 08, 2018, 12:48:22 PM
Quote from: bkimm32 on April 08, 2018, 11:49:09 AM
Lol jack will be fine. He has a few poor scores and then comes out with a string of 100s.
Drop him now and watch him kick 5 and have 20 odd possys
Exactly this. He will come good. I hope everyone jumps off tho
Yeah I was annoyed at myself for starting Neal-Bullen over him in a rushed decision.
Billings hasn't started as well as I'd expected either, but I'm happy. Just means I can get him in soon without having to blow the budget. I'm pretty confident he'll finish the season as a top-6 forward if he stays healthy.
This guy is the least of my problems, so that shows you how bad I'm going ;D
Not exactly heaps of proven forwards to get right now anyway so I'll back him in and still think he will be a Top 6-10 forward
The Saints are playing shower football and won't be long before the coach starts changing things around , Armitage is not playing well so expect Billings to get more of a run in the mids soon , IMO
Pissed off I started him, as I thought Acres would be the one to step up for the saints this year
Could be a good get in 2 -3 weeks when his price gets closer to 400k. Could almost sideways a Bundy to him for F6, very tasty indeed.
Quote from: Fid on April 09, 2018, 07:12:31 PM
Pissed off I started him, as I thought Acres would be the one to step up for the saints this year
I'm a saints fan and I'm sad I didn't have the balls to go acres. Thought it was me being bias
1 good score, 1 pass score and 1 shower score and everyone wants to trade him out. Have people gone crazy?
Yes the saints are shower but most expected them to be a bottom 6 team this year (I certainly did) so yet again (like Hibberd last week) stick to your structures and your plans and back the premium priced players you selected in and only trade keepers at this stage of the year for LTI's
Billings > Walters does sound good. ;D
One day I will start Walters.
Was out of Billings and Walters for my last forward spot when I was putting my team together and I picked the wrong one! :'(
Quote from: Judd Magic on April 10, 2018, 02:10:08 PM
Billings > Walters does sound good. ;D
One day I will start Walters.
Was out of Billings and Walters for my last forward spot when I was putting my team together and I picked the wrong one! :'(
I have Walters, and he has done well against Bombers and GC. Scored 83 vs Port though and I feel Freo and therefore Sunny will struggle vs top sides especially away.
If trading Billings ( which I am hesitant to do even if I didn't have other problems like Brayshaw and Merrett)
I would look at McLean,Heeney,Smith,Greene or even Petracca before Walters.
83 is more likely his output in tough games rather than 130 vs GC. Obviously I do hope I'm wrong as an owner though!
I seem to have only made one questionable choice so far, and it's this guy. (Jury still out on Sicily too)
He'll be a rollercoaster no doubt, but as I now have 4 other FWD prems and Christensen, I'm willing to hold.
Like others here, am confident for 90+, and likely top 6-10 forward.
(Really hope he doesn't get dropped this week though ;D)
I'm not sure what made this guy such a lock? He was one of the most popular forward premium selections, even with an injury interrupted pre-season.
He barely gets any midfield time either compared to some of the other forwards.
Heeney, McLean, Walters, Smith, Gray, Petracca & Buddy all looking like safer chances of scoring well at this stage.
Quote from: MontyJnr on April 10, 2018, 05:23:14 PM
I'm not sure what made this guy such a lock? He was one of the most popular forward premium selections, even with an injury interrupted pre-season.
He barely gets any midfield time either compared to some of the other forwards.
Heeney, McLean, Walters, Smith, Gray, Petracca & Buddy all looking like safer chances of scoring well at this stage.
I grabbed him based on the promise of midfield minutes & extra work on his goal kicking. Not panicking just yet.
Saints are playing atrocious footy, when they bounce back he will be back to popping tons week in week out
Yeah the reactions on this bloke are OOT
It's been 3 games
It's easy to say you should have started someone else in hindsight, but before Round 1 most of the forward options looked crap and he was a clear standout choice
This guy is the least of my worries
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 10, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
Yeah the reactions on this bloke are OOT
It's been 3 games
It's easy to say you should have started someone else in hindsight, but before Round 1 most of the forward options looked crap and he was a clear standout choice
This guy is the least of my worries
Agreed. I went Lewis Taylor (I know) who needs to go first. Plus Liam Ryan injury. And waiting to see if Goldy gets dropped!
34 points at 3 QTR time.
Screw it, I'm bringing Gray in.
What a stinky cnt
Has he gone home early? Have not seen him on screen all quarter
Problem is he'll probably be under 400k now and require two trades to upgrade
Reckon I'll just downgrade him to a rookie and use the cash to upgrade Holman or Bonner to a prem
More trades wasted
He just kicked a consolation goal. Wow. Woopdee friggen do.
He and Hibberd and to a slightly lesser extent Goldy are prime examples of why sometimes you (shock horror) TRADE A PREMIUM IF THEY ARE SHOWER.
I mean this guy has never even been a premium. He averaged 92 last year.
He still hasn't learnt how to kick goals under pressure. His disposal efficiency was running at 11% for the first half for friggs sake.
He is a SPUD.
Problem is all these 3 spuds have lost too much money now and trading them will take all my upgrade money
Just so angry at myself for not trading at least Billings and Hibberd when the signs were there they weren't going to be premiums. Instead I followed the "never trade a premium" rule and I have had the worst start to SC I can ever remember.
Quote from: bkimm32 on April 08, 2018, 11:49:09 AM
Lol jack will be fine. He has a few poor scores and then comes out with a string of 100s.
Drop him now and watch him kick 5 and have 20 odd possys
Still waiting 6 rounds in...
Bye Bye Billings enough is enough with Holman stinking it up as well
Cya later Billings you spud. Can’t kick straight, get the ball, tackle, etc. Outta my team.
I don't kno why they are playing him perm forward. Should be playing midfield
As RD said, gonna take two trades to offload this inconvenience. Never again.
He's killing my season, have no idea what to do.
I don't care what I have to do to make it happen, but he's out this week. The one blemish in my side.
Quote from: Bully on April 28, 2018, 11:00:43 PM
He's killing my season, have no idea what to do.
Trade, and don't look back.
Billings and Bonner out, rookie and prem in
Done
Quote from: Mongoose528 on April 28, 2018, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 28, 2018, 11:00:43 PM
He's killing my season, have no idea what to do.
Trade, and don't look back.
Think you're right, will look at all the BEs and could possibly do Billing to JPK. Won't be too much extra change.
Billings has to go, might be to Danger via a DPP
Time to Trade now >:(
Kicked him out for gray last week, best decision I’ve made all year, that 130 in Roy d one was clearly a fluke
Being a saints fan I thought Billings was due to explode and go 95-105. Can’t see that happening with our shower coach and playing him forward permanently. Want to get rid of him but I’ve just got so many other problems too. Bring on 2019
Jesus christ everyone was so wrong about this bloke.
Absolute failure of a pick.
Had a debate regarding Billings with a friend after Rd3 that he was no good and his words were “ Don’t worry about Billings he will come good “!!
What a mistake it was to listen to such bulllshower advice!
Billings is a fraud! Never again will he ever feature in a SC team of mine!
Come Sunday night he is out! Gone!
He joins my never again list! The guy is absolute junk! Can’t kick, horrible disposal efficiency and in my opinion was never a premium and with the way he is playing never will be!
The problem is he will be close to 400k but I don’t care with 300k in the bank I will find a way to piss him off and Holman then the next week Goldstein can go along with them! Don’t care about trades right now, 0-4 in cash leagues so my year is pretty much done!
Quote from: smashbox on April 28, 2018, 10:52:25 PM
I don't kno why they are playing him perm forward. Should be playing midfield
This is the root of the cause. Had I known he was going to be played as a permanent fwd I wouldn't have picked him.
He is no spud, contrary to what has been written here, but regardless of all that he has bled too much cash and I'm likely to stick fat with him and hope for the best. I'm starting to improve my team elsewhere and might look at fixing him later in the year if things warrant it.
Quote from: JimmyBuckets on April 28, 2018, 11:55:27 PM
Time to Trade now >:(
would've dropped him weeks ago
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 29, 2018, 06:07:34 AM
Had a debate regarding Billings with a friend after Rd3 that he was no good and his words were “ Don’t worry about Billings he will come good “!!
my mate had him too and he still believes he will come good... but when??
Let him come good.
Just after I pick him up at 370k ;)
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 29, 2018, 09:44:53 AM
Let him come good.
Just after I pick him up at 370k ;)
Good luck with that ;D
Quote from: MontyJnr on April 29, 2018, 05:02:52 AM
Jesus christ everyone was so wrong about this bloke.
Absolute failure of a pick.
I have many issues, but rather happy to go against the grain and avoid this bloke.
Quote from: enzedder on April 29, 2018, 06:37:25 AM
Quote from: smashbox on April 28, 2018, 10:52:25 PM
I don't kno why they are playing him perm forward. Should be playing midfield
This is the root of the cause. Had I known he was going to be played as a permanent fwd I wouldn't have picked him.
He is no spud, contrary to what has been written here, but regardless of all that he has bled too much cash and I'm likely to stick fat with him and hope for the best. I'm starting to improve my team elsewhere and might look at fixing him later in the year if things warrant it.
This is pretty much my feelings too. Improving my team elsewhere instead of rage trading him with his price in the dirt. We know he scores tonnes better in wins so if the saints can actually win some games he'll get back to a price worth selling.
Quote from: duffercoat on April 29, 2018, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: enzedder on April 29, 2018, 06:37:25 AM
Quote from: smashbox on April 28, 2018, 10:52:25 PM
I don't kno why they are playing him perm forward. Should be playing midfield
This is the root of the cause. Had I known he was going to be played as a permanent fwd I wouldn't have picked him.
He is no spud, contrary to what has been written here, but regardless of all that he has bled too much cash and I'm likely to stick fat with him and hope for the best. I'm starting to improve my team elsewhere and might look at fixing him later in the year if things warrant it.
This is pretty much my feelings too. Improving my team elsewhere instead of rage trading him with his price in the dirt. We know he scores tonnes better in wins so if the saints can actually win some games he'll get back to a price worth selling.
Starting to come around to this too
I've had so many injuries which have resulted in sideways trading and I just can't keep doing that. I need to be upgrading rookies first, and then if the luxury presents itself sideways
I'll just tell myself Billings is my F6 to make myself feel a bit better ;D
Quote from: duffercoat on April 29, 2018, 12:29:07 PM
Quote from: enzedder on April 29, 2018, 06:37:25 AM
Quote from: smashbox on April 28, 2018, 10:52:25 PM
I don't kno why they are playing him perm forward. Should be playing midfield
This is the root of the cause. Had I known he was going to be played as a permanent fwd I wouldn't have picked him.
He is no spud, contrary to what has been written here, but regardless of all that he has bled too much cash and I'm likely to stick fat with him and hope for the best. I'm starting to improve my team elsewhere and might look at fixing him later in the year if things warrant it.
This is pretty much my feelings too. Improving my team elsewhere instead of rage trading him with his price in the dirt. We know he scores tonnes better in wins so if the saints can actually win some games he'll get back to a price worth selling.
The spud has to go! Even at 380k or whatever he is, he goes!
He’s lost so much Money now I’m going to try loophole him as much as I can with a rookie. That’s how shower he is.
I would love nothing more than to rage trade him, but I would prefer to focus my tradeson filling in the gaps that I started with and upgrading rookies to premiums, and cling on to the hope he can somehow turn it around, looping him will be an option.
Upgrading him to a premo mid...most likely Oliver. Will wait on Danger another week.
Hopefully the coach plays him up the ground from now on. A small forward in a struggling team is one of the hardest positions to score big. Surely he's more use to the team further up the ground, I don't understand the coach playing a top 3 draft pick who has showed a lot of potential in a forward pocket
He’s lost so much money and there’s no forward really demanding to be picked (bar Heeney who I have). That was my thinking prior to last weekend but his 44 has got me ready to rage trade even to a rookie
This bloke makes me so mad. How can you play AFL footy and be so bad at kicking at goal. Richo needs to put this bloke on the other side of the field or in the club rooms so I don’t have to watch this flog kick the ball. Looking at My sc forward line knowing he’s there is sickening.
AFL's '9 things' article suggesting he needs a run in the twos. Would make justifying trading him out a bit easier :P
Yep if he gets dropped I'm trading him. Otherwise I'll just have to keep him...
Quote from: oh_lol on April 29, 2018, 11:34:04 PM
Yep if he gets dropped I'm trading him. Otherwise I'll just have to keep him...
Could be the ultimate buy low player in the league at this point if he turned it around, but have some serious concerns about his role this year.
I have read on other threads that people are actually considering holding Billings.
Why?
What’s the reasoning now with everyone deciding not to trade Billings?
I get that we have to upgrade our rookies etc but our rookies Fritsch Higgins Guelfi are averaging if not more or close to Billings. He’s 400k and i don’t even know his BE for next week but surely he has to go?
I read some article on the afl app regarding Billings and he’s going at 61% this year so far! Seriously WTF!
I can’t even loophole him and every week he is a unique in cash leagues. Don’t know how much more I can take with Billings but don’t be suprised if he gets dropped this week.
Someone give me a reason why Billings should stay?
I don't know about your team, but I've had so many other issues to deal with every week which has meant Billings stays in my side.
This week I'll be without Walters and possibly Greene, so Sonny has to go.
In a perfect world he would have been gone weeks ago, but just haven't had the chance. It's also that thought of him replicating his game from round 1 too I guess..
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 30, 2018, 10:22:08 AM
I have read on other threads that people are actually considering holding Billings.
Why?
What’s the reasoning now with everyone deciding not to trade Billings?
I get that we have to upgrade our rookies etc but our rookies Fritsch Higgins Guelfi are averaging if not more or close to Billings. He’s 400k and i don’t even know his BE for next week but surely he has to go?
I read some article on the afl app regarding Billings and he’s going at 61% this year so far! Seriously WTF!
I can’t even loophole him and every week he is a unique in cash leagues. Don’t know how much more I can take with Billings but don’t be suprised if he gets dropped this week.
Someone give me a reason why Billings should stay?
It's better to field him than a rookie atm.
He can eventually be pushed to the bench as an F7 late in the year. Priority now has to be upgrading the rookies to prems.
I really hope he is dropped though, then we have reason to trade him.
QuoteI don't know about your team, but I've had so many other issues to deal with every week which has meant Billings stays in my side.
I have avoided some carnage but i do have many problems with my team that should be fixed before Billings but he is obviously my main concern, he's killing me.
Goldstein (Upgrade)
Holman / Banfield (Upgrade)
Murray (Upgrade)
Buddy (Potential trade)
O'Meara (Potential upgrade)
ZGL (Downgrade)
My forward line is decimated at the moment, played 4 rookies on the weekend plus Billings and Smith, i had both Buddy and Petracca on the bench.
I know that guys like Holman / Banfield / Murray can go first before Billings but when you have the forward line i have at the moment and you have Billings putting in shower scores on top something has to be done.
Was thinking:
Billings / Banfield - Taranto / Yeo via Finlayson
Billings / Holman - Taranto / Westhoff
I have 300k to play with and in no need to bring in a rookie this week so if this is the week to trade Billings it has to be done!
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 30, 2018, 10:22:08 AM
I have read on other threads that people are actually considering holding Billings.
Why?
What’s the reasoning now with everyone deciding not to trade Billings?
I get that we have to upgrade our rookies etc but our rookies Fritsch Higgins Guelfi are averaging if not more or close to Billings. He’s 400k and i don’t even know his BE for next week but surely he has to go?
I read some article on the afl app regarding Billings and he’s going at 61% this year so far! Seriously WTF!
I can’t even loophole him and every week he is a unique in cash leagues. Don’t know how much more I can take with Billings but don’t be suprised if he gets dropped this week.
Someone give me a reason why Billings should stay?
Doesn't look pretty for people who own him.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/PCzqFk.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmPCzqFkp)
At least he's playing (touchwood), absolutely no point trading at his current price. Will somehow attempt to get him to F7 in due course.
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 30, 2018, 10:22:08 AM
I have read on other threads that people are actually considering holding Billings.
Why?
What’s the reasoning now with everyone deciding not to trade Billings?
I get that we have to upgrade our rookies etc but our rookies Fritsch Higgins Guelfi are averaging if not more or close to Billings. He’s 400k and i don’t even know his BE for next week but surely he has to go?
I read some article on the afl app regarding Billings and he’s going at 61% this year so far! Seriously WTF!
I can’t even loophole him and every week he is a unique in cash leagues. Don’t know how much more I can take with Billings but don’t be suprised if he gets dropped this week.
Someone give me a reason why Billings should stay?
For me he's lost too much cash. I haven't been able to make a single upgrade till now, and if I spend my cash on replacing Billings it will mean even less upgrades.
Plus I have Walters, so he might have to go, which means more cash spent.
So basically it'd unaffordable and it's a choice of trading him or upgrading a fwd rookie. Should get more points out of the latter.
For others, they may have Greene/Lids/Buddy issues.
I will just ditch him during his bye. More determined to get my team finished than sideways "premiums".. if you can call him that
When you're like me and you have the likes of Lids, Buddy and Bilings in your side I will just keep them all and aim to get Walters in eventually giving me 7 forwards, because there's always going to be one of them out injured lol so having 7 will be required
I didn't start with Billings, but I think he's too talented to stay out of form for much longer. I think he'll find his feet and when he looks like returning to form, I hope to 'buy low' and get him in on the cheap.
If I started him and still had him at this point, I'd probably hold him in the hope he comes good. I appreciate the patience this requires though, so I don't blame those that have turfed him!
All he needs is for his coach to move him further up the ground and he will return to form. Is being wasted up forward. Don't know how the coach hasn't seen this
Quote from: Bully on May 02, 2018, 03:07:56 PM
At least he's playing (touchwood), absolutely no point trading at his current price. Will somehow attempt to get him to F7 in due course.
No point playing him if he doesn't kick goals, just traded him for Robbie Gray
Quote from: Fid on May 02, 2018, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Bully on May 02, 2018, 03:07:56 PM
At least he's playing (touchwood), absolutely no point trading at his current price. Will somehow attempt to get him to F7 in due course.
No point playing him if he doesn't kick goals, just traded him for Robbie Gray
Same here, let's hope it works out.
Quote from: Bully on May 02, 2018, 03:07:56 PM
At least he's playing (touchwood), absolutely no point trading at his current price. Will somehow attempt to get him to F7 in due course.
this, we suck it up and move on. at least we know he can score tons, rookies dont, lux trade end of yr or loophole with rookie
I would honestly be happy with a 90+ today...
Quote from: SilverLion on May 06, 2018, 11:10:35 AM
I would honestly be happy with a 90+ today...
Same here. Unless he miraculously turns things around (a good start would be throwing him in the midfield Richo) then I'll be looking at sideways trading him......... oh wait, I meant upgrading him to someone when the bye comes around. In a perfect world he starts scoring the way we know he can. In a less than perfect world I will straight swap him to Lobb after his bye which will coincide perfectly. In reality, I'll trade him to someone after his bye, they will get a long term injury and Billings will tonne up.......
just to add insult to injury! ::)
Ill take nothing less than 130 today :P
Quote from: SilverLion on May 06, 2018, 11:10:35 AM
I would honestly be happy with a 90+ today...
I'd love a 90+, but I'll be happy with a 80+
Please no sub 70 BS again
I've got a good feeling lads - 100 incoming today
All these positive feelings about his efforts today basically guarantee a 40. :P
Quote from: Nige on May 06, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
All these positive feelings about his efforts today basically guarantee a 40. :P
Quote from: tommy10 on May 06, 2018, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 06, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
All these positive feelings about his efforts today basically guarantee a 40. :P
He's on track for 50, I'm breaking out the champagne. With my season already ruined I'm laughing at just how crap this guy is.
Quote from: Bully on May 06, 2018, 05:15:41 PM
Quote from: tommy10 on May 06, 2018, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Nige on May 06, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
All these positive feelings about his efforts today basically guarantee a 40. :P
He's on track for 50, I'm breaking out the champagne. With my season already ruined I'm laughing at just how crap this guy is.
On the bright side... he's going to be cheap next year.
It's ridiculous how bad a pick he has been. I can't believe it.
He is a SuperCoach Fraud!
Going for Spargo this week!
I’ve followed him all game and he is never near the packs, doesn’t contest the footy, nothing!
Clearly now he has to go, won’t be waiting for byes!
Cutting my losses and going to have to downgrade him to Spargo!
Had enough!
Bonner is my first priority to punt this week
Reckon Billings could possibly be the other I punt this week too
I really wanted to focus on upgrading my on-field rookies first before worrying about this bloke... But I'd rather start fielding Brayshaw at this point!
FFS
Should be in the vicinity of 375k
What the hell do we do? I want to trade him, but with so many injury/spud sideways trades used already I'll never get a full team of prems at this rate
Might just have to accept that fact, and realise that I will likely be fielding a rookie or two come seasons end
Might go Billings to Ronke, getting to the stage where rookies are scoring more.
I’ve seen him touch the ball 4 times in a half of football.
Absolute fraud!
Quote from: Bully on May 06, 2018, 06:31:22 PM
Might go Billings to Ronke, getting to the stage where rookies are scoring more.
Bingo.
At this point, he's detrimental to our fantasy sides. People (myself included) have been saying keep him for F7 or wait until he comes good, but the way he's tracking, there's just no point whatsoever.
I say this as a huge Jack Billings fan as well.
Better off getting a rookie in to give similar or better scores to generate cash, or trade him to an actual premo to net you proper scores every week.
I'm stubborn. I'm keeping him until he's dropped....please let that be this week.
I cannot afford to trade him yet. I need to make upgrades.Was going to keep Walters, but I think the best move cash and structure wise is trade Walters, wait for him to drop to near Billings price and go Billings > Walters in 3-4 weeks.
Looking back, Billings was a high risk pick given his price, the team he plays for, and the fact he has never been a premium.
Only reasons he made it into my team were Greene's interupted PS and stupidity factor, Buddy's tendency to be very cheap during the season and Gray being suspended round one.
You could make the argument that Billings was a better pick than the injured Greene/Buddy, but I would disagree saying at least they had high value on trading and I would now have Robbie Gray in my team.
Screw u Billings and Spudstein.
Quote from: ubeaut on May 06, 2018, 07:04:16 PM
Screw u Billings and Spudstein.
Yep, 2 players who have been monumental duds.
Quote from: Bully on May 06, 2018, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on May 06, 2018, 07:04:16 PM
Screw u Billings and Spudstein.
Yep, 2 players who have been monumental duds.
The pair have screwed my season over.
He has to go. Sadly.
Not sure what has happened since R1 and that 133.
40s, 50s and 60s leave a spew taste in my mouth. Opponents without him must rub their hands with glee at seeing us with him in our teams whilst we thank god if our opponents have him too.
Lids could be my go to. Crowden to Ronke will allow me to the dollars to get him. Probably the best I can do.
Billings along with Spudstein have been the distruction of my season so far!
I am 0-5 in Cash league and essentially my season is over! Who would have thought after only 7 rounds!
Others might have there reasons on holding Billings but for me along with Goldstein these 2 pissweak so called “premiums†have to go!
Billings this week, Hackstein the week after!
I watched Billings today closely and enough is enough, he’s gone!
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 06, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
Billings along with Spudstein have been the distruction of my season so far!
I am 0-5 in Cash league and essentially my season is over! Who would have thought after only 7 rounds!
Others might have there reasons on holding Billings but for me along with Goldstein these 2 pissweak so called “premiums†have to go!
Billings this week, Hackstein the week after!
I watched Billings today closely and enough is enough, he’s gone!
I wish I could afford to trade them.
Can I ask how u can?
Goldy > Stef costs 100k
Billings > McLean costs 150k
Getting the best in Grundy and Gray would add another 150k
That's 250 - 400k and two less trades for upgrading your team.
I could spend that money on JOM > Crouch/Danger and Murray > Yeo/Hurley as two examples
Or spend it upgrading Billings and Goldy and miss out on two upgrades.
All that cash from downgrading rookies,saving to upgrade team gone.
No Crouch,no Danger,no Hurley/Simmo/Yeo and fielding rookies instead.
How will u upgrade the rest of your team if u spend that money? You'd have to wait till the second wave of rookies like Spargo,Cole,Duman,Coffeild,Ronke,Guelfi,Mirra to make cash AND wait for the third rookie wave to downgrade them to.
I just can't mathematically see how its
possible to trade both Billings and Goldy AND make the upgrades I need to make to field less rookies and score more points.
Quote from: ubeaut on May 06, 2018, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 06, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
Billings along with Spudstein have been the distruction of my season so far!
I am 0-5 in Cash league and essentially my season is over! Who would have thought after only 7 rounds!
Others might have there reasons on holding Billings but for me along with Goldstein these 2 pissweak so called “premiums†have to go!
Billings this week, Hackstein the week after!
I watched Billings today closely and enough is enough, he’s gone!
I wish I could afford to trade them.
Can I ask how u can?
Goldy > Stef costs 100k
Billings > McLean costs 150k
Getting the best in Grundy and Gray would add another 150k
That's 250 - 400k and two less trades for upgrading your team.
I could spend that money on JOM > Crouch/Danger and Murray > Yeo/Hurley as two examples
Or spend it upgrading Billings and Goldy and miss out on two upgrades.
All that cash from downgrading rookies,saving to upgrade team gone.
No Crouch,no Danger,no Hurley/Simmo/Yeo and fielding rookies instead.
How will u upgrade the rest of your team if u spend that money? You'd have to wait till the second wave of rookies like Spargo,Cole,Duman,Coffeild,Ronke,Guelfi,Mirra to make cash AND wait for the third rookie wave to downgrade them to.
I just can't mathematically see how its
possible to trade both Billings and Goldy AND make the upgrades I need to make to field less rookies and score more points.
All valid points, might be stuck with him.
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 07, 2018, 11:23:00 PM
Seriously WTF was that tonight?
Second week in a row now, but tonight he was horrible!
Was nowhere to be seen in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
Is it time for him to go?
You and I and many others made the mistake a month ago to not trade.
This is why I hate the "never trade a premium" argument. It's rubbish.
The signs were there to make the Billings > Gray/McLean/whoever move and would have cost bugger all.
The time to trade premiums that are crap is after 3/4 games BEFORE they lose money. Which makes it tricky as after so few games that nagging doubt is there that they will score well as soon as u trade them.
In Billings and Goldys case that was never gonna happen.
Billings to Mclean is mighty tempting.
Quote from: ubeaut on May 06, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 07, 2018, 11:23:00 PM
Seriously WTF was that tonight?
Second week in a row now, but tonight he was horrible!
Was nowhere to be seen in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
Is it time for him to go?
You and I and many others made the mistake a month ago to not trade.
This is why I hate the "never trade a premium" argument. It's rubbish.
The signs were there to make the Billings > Gray/McLean/whoever move and would have cost bugger all.
The time to trade premiums that are crap is after 3/4 games BEFORE they lose money. Which makes it tricky as after so few games that nagging doubt is there that they will score well as soon as u trade them.
In Billings and Goldys case that was never gonna happen.
The "never trade a premium" argument is fair enough if they have been a consistent premium over time and have just had a bad 2 weeks. Billings however has no premium history and it was just a hope that he would go to the next level. Instead he's gone backwards and those stuck with him now (like myself) are behind the 8 ball
To Sicily or to McLean
That is the question
Mind you I have traded Zorko and Hibberd out already this year
Quote from: tor01doc on May 06, 2018, 08:59:17 PM
To Sicily or to McLean
That is the question
Mind you I have traded Zorko and Hibberd out already this year
McLean is the safe choice. Sicily higher ceiling (McLean did well this week but no Bont vs Suns won't happen every week) but lower floor if tagged ( it will happen) and of course he's a huge suspension risk.
Ditched this spud for Gray a few weeks ago and never looked back.... 8)
I traded him for Merrett, sometimes it's best just to laugh. At least Billings didn't go huge I guess.
Seasons stuffed anyway, may as well try something different, nothing to lose.
It just felt so good ‘upgrading’ this spud to Spargo
Robbo on HS calling for him to be dropped
Will be interested to see if he raises it with Richo tonight on 360
Gonna hold considering he’s worth nothing now so no point.
basically at this point im treating him like a rookie.
He is down on form but has put up 74 average for the season, it means im playing him over my other rookies but i will upgrade the worst rookie which is not him.
ill probably dump him round 14 like all my other rookies.
Quote from: ubeaut on May 06, 2018, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 06, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
Billings along with Spudstein have been the distruction of my season so far!
I am 0-5 in Cash league and essentially my season is over! Who would have thought after only 7 rounds!
Others might have there reasons on holding Billings but for me along with Goldstein these 2 pissweak so called “premiums†have to go!
Billings this week, Hackstein the week after!
I watched Billings today closely and enough is enough, he’s gone!
I wish I could afford to trade them.
Can I ask how u can?
Goldy > Stef costs 100k
Billings > McLean costs 150k
Getting the best in Grundy and Gray would add another 150k
That's 250 - 400k and two less trades for upgrading your team.
I could spend that money on JOM > Crouch/Danger and Murray > Yeo/Hurley as two examples
Or spend it upgrading Billings and Goldy and miss out on two upgrades.
All that cash from downgrading rookies,saving to upgrade team gone.
No Crouch,no Danger,no Hurley/Simmo/Yeo and fielding rookies instead.
How will u upgrade the rest of your team if u spend that money? You'd have to wait till the second wave of rookies like Spargo,Cole,Duman,Coffeild,Ronke,Guelfi,Mirra to make cash AND wait for the third rookie wave to downgrade them to.
I just can't mathematically see how its
possible to trade both Billings and Goldy AND make the upgrades I need to make to field less rookies and score more points.
You do make some good points and yes i can agree with most of those, but in my current situation Billings is Number 1 priority to trade out. What the point in holding him? Yes i understand that rookies need to go first and Upgrades are important etc but Billings has single handedly destroyed my season.
He is a unique in pretty much every team i am up against week in week out, and when your H2H against opponents who have Gray, Heeney or Sicily you are basically done.
I opted not to go with Heeney at the start of the season and went with Billings instead.
Yes i know it might be a wasted trade in going Billings to Spargo for example but he's scoring worse than a rookie at the moment....take out the 133 against Brisbane and whats his actual average? 65? 70?
Spudstein can wait till the bye, yes i can't trade both of them in the space of 3 weeks but out of these two spuds Billings has to go.
Billings is basically a fat rookie cow with the very best JS (even if he's given a week or 2 in the magoos to hit form) and like it or not also the very best Scoring Potential. He has more of a chance of reaching $450k than all the current forward rookies even if he's set to drop again this week. Jumping off now does nothing for any1 long-term as pointed out by ubeaut.
The time for correction trades has ended. Every1 one else is pushing towards bringing in their next upgrades using existing rookies ... do the same. If that means you can't afford M.Crouch and need to gamble on old favorites like JPK now and Sloane later ... at least that gives you a couple PODs at a cheaper price with a chance to catch the pack. Copying the most popular picks now only keeps you from falling behind ... but also never catching up.
Quote from: Marstar on May 07, 2018, 01:14:30 PM
The time for correction trades has ended.
Sadly I think this is right. To anyone who traded him out when he was over 475, well done. I though about it but didn't have the craic. But just too much value gone to justify a trade - now we're trapped with him I think.
Ok so if you have this current forward line what do you do?
Buddy (Injured), Smith, Petracca (Out of form), Billings (Enough said), Fritsch, J Higgins, ZGL, Guelfi.
How is the above forward line even competitive at the moment? My midfield and defence is relatively ok, i have Spudstein in my rucks along with Gawn which is another issue all together.
But my point with Billings is he is killing me week in week out, basically he's a unique now and my biggest mistake was not pissing him off after Rd 2-3 when the signs were there.
Yes he is worth 377k, he's lost all his value, but in my current situation what am i supposed to do? Upgrade Fritsch who is playing better than him? Trade Buddy or Petracca instead? I can't move on Higgins, ZGL or Guelfi cause they haven't maxed out yet, and to be totally honest Higgins and ZGL are scoring the same if not better than Billings.
So if i was to look at this from my current perspective Billings is basically a clog in my forward line, offering the same output as a rookie if not worse.
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 07, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
Ok so if you have this current forward line what do you do?
Buddy (Injured), Smith, Petracca (Out of form), Billings (Enough said), Fritsch, J Higgins, ZGL, Guelfi.
How is the above forward line even competitive at the moment? My midfield and defence is relatively ok, i have Spudstein in my rucks along with Gawn which is another issue all together.
But my point with Billings is he is killing me week in week out, basically he's a unique now and my biggest mistake was not pissing him off after Rd 2-3 when the signs were there.
Yes he is worth 377k, he's lost all his value, but in my current situation what am i supposed to do? Upgrade Fritsch who is playing better than him? Trade Buddy or Petracca instead? I can't move on Higgins, ZGL or Guelfi cause they haven't maxed out yet, and to be totally honest Higgins and ZGL are scoring the same if not better than Billings.
So if i was to look at this from my current perspective Billings is basically a clog in my forward line, offering the same output as a rookie if not worse.
Fair comment and worth a trade. Just need to decide whether you want top priced like Heeney or McLean or another up and comer. Go with gut go but plenty to chose from in the $400/500k if you go that way.
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 07, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
Ok so if you have this current forward line what do you do?
Buddy (Injured), Smith, Petracca (Out of form), Billings (Enough said), Fritsch, J Higgins, ZGL, Guelfi.
How is the above forward line even competitive at the moment? My midfield and defence is relatively ok, i have Spudstein in my rucks along with Gawn which is another issue all together.
But my point with Billings is he is killing me week in week out, basically he's a unique now and my biggest mistake was not pissing him off after Rd 2-3 when the signs were there.
Yes he is worth 377k, he's lost all his value, but in my current situation what am i supposed to do? Upgrade Fritsch who is playing better than him? Trade Buddy or Petracca instead? I can't move on Higgins, ZGL or Guelfi cause they haven't maxed out yet, and to be totally honest Higgins and ZGL are scoring the same if not better than Billings.
So if i was to look at this from my current perspective Billings is basically a clog in my forward line, offering the same output as a rookie if not worse.
In the same boat here and totally agree.. treating him as a rookie that has come to the end and 'upgrade' him is my personal view, having rookies putting out the same points and making you cash is much better IMO
Billings is like a girl you meet at 2am in a club. You’ve had a few drinks, you’re in the mood, and there she is - standing there, very tempting and very promising. You’ve been watching for a while and you like what you see.
You flirt, buy her a drink, and invite her back to your place. She smiles and says yes. You’re happy with the choice you’ve made.
You leave the club and as you walk out the door and more light shines on her face, you start to question whether you have made the right decision. But, you back your gut - and tell yourself it’s too late to jump ship - you’re committed and you’re gonna see this one through.
You get back to your place, and it hasn’t improved. There is nothing impressive being shown at all, and you feel depressed at the thought that there were so many similar options back at the club, but you opted for Billings.
The next morning, in the light of day, you roll over and see what you’ve wound up lying next to, and you feel sick in the stomach. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing, but you really grabbed the wrong girl.
So, I wish I could go to that club and pick up Heeney or McLean, but I can’t. All I can do is order Billings an Uber, send him/her home, and have a shower to wash away the remnants.
Next week I’ll head back to the club and try and find someone more appealing that I can form a long relationship with.
The thing is with Billings, he was legitimately very good last year. Averaged 92 which is quite respectable for a forward, and averaged 100 after round 5. Plus he has the pedigree of a high pick and is the right age where you'd expect him to be at his best. I dunno what happened, he just looks disinterested this year, isn't running hard and his kicking for goal (which I thought was the only thing holding him back from being an elite forward) has somehow gotten even worse.
The thing I've noticed he just never seems near the contest. He's always hanging off the back
Quote from: Blues Blues Blues on May 07, 2018, 03:38:36 PM
Billings is like a girl you meet at 2am in a club. You’ve had a few drinks, you’re in the mood, and there she is - standing there, very tempting and very promising. You’ve been watching for a while and you like what you see.
You flirt, buy her a drink, and invite her back to your place. She smiles and says yes. You’re happy with the choice you’ve made.
You leave the club and as you walk out the door and more light shines on her face, you start to question whether you have made the right decision. But, you back your gut - and tell yourself it’s too late to jump ship - you’re committed and you’re gonna see this one through.
You get back to your place, and it hasn’t improved. There is nothing impressive being shown at all, and you feel depressed at the thought that there were so many similar options back at the club, but you opted for Billings.
The next morning, in the light of day, you roll over and see what you’ve wound up lying next to, and you feel sick in the stomach. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing, but you really grabbed the wrong girl.
So, I wish I could go to that club and pick up Heeney or McLean, but I can’t. All I can do is order Billings an Uber, send him/her home, and have a shower to wash away the remnants.
Next week I’ll head back to the club and try and find someone more appealing that I can form a long relationship with.
hahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thats Gold!!!
Need an excuse to trade him. Dropped/Injury/Suspension. Otherwise forced to hold at this point.
Not like there's a plethora of stand out forwards ATM anyways. Away from Heeney, McLean and Gray F4-6 could be any number of guys and you'd be doing ok.
Quote from: SilverLion on May 07, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
Need an excuse to trade him. Dropped/Injury/Suspension. Otherwise forced to hold at this point.
Not like there's a plethora of stand out forwards ATM anyways. Away from Heeney, McLean and Gray F4-6 could be any number of guys and you'd be doing ok.
If you have Heeney, Gray and Mclean lets say with Buddy or Petracca your doing very well if Billings was a lingering F6 that you could move to bench. If Billings is your F3 or F4 lets say you can't hold.
I have a feeling he will get dropped this week, i watched him closely yesterday and he was nowhere near it, he doesn't contest packs, doesn't contest contests, he is always 15 metres off the ball.
In the second qtr he was playing out of the back pocket and all i actually remember was him cleaning up Gawn when he was going for a mark in the Demons forward 50. He had 4 or 5 touches in the entire second half and i think 2 or 3 of those were towards the last 5 minutes of the game.
What does he have to offer anymore? The ball continuously bounces off him, his disposal is horrible and he is the most frustrating player to watch at the moment.
Quote from: Ringo on May 07, 2018, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 07, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
Ok so if you have this current forward line what do you do?
Buddy (Injured), Smith, Petracca (Out of form), Billings (Enough said), Fritsch, J Higgins, ZGL, Guelfi.
How is the above forward line even competitive at the moment? My midfield and defence is relatively ok, i have Spudstein in my rucks along with Gawn which is another issue all together.
But my point with Billings is he is killing me week in week out, basically he's a unique now and my biggest mistake was not pissing him off after Rd 2-3 when the signs were there.
Yes he is worth 377k, he's lost all his value, but in my current situation what am i supposed to do? Upgrade Fritsch who is playing better than him? Trade Buddy or Petracca instead? I can't move on Higgins, ZGL or Guelfi cause they haven't maxed out yet, and to be totally honest Higgins and ZGL are scoring the same if not better than Billings.
So if i was to look at this from my current perspective Billings is basically a clog in my forward line, offering the same output as a rookie if not worse.
Fair comment and worth a trade. Just need to decide whether you want top priced like Heeney or McLean or another up and comer. Go with gut go but plenty to chose from in the $400/500k if you go that way.
I think McLean or Heeney it has to be, both are required and both will be Top 6 by the seasons end.
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 07, 2018, 04:27:28 PM
Quote from: Blues Blues Blues on May 07, 2018, 03:38:36 PM
Billings is like a girl you meet at 2am in a club. You’ve had a few drinks, you’re in the mood, and there she is - standing there, very tempting and very promising. You’ve been watching for a while and you like what you see.
You flirt, buy her a drink, and invite her back to your place. She smiles and says yes. You’re happy with the choice you’ve made.
You leave the club and as you walk out the door and more light shines on her face, you start to question whether you have made the right decision. But, you back your gut - and tell yourself it’s too late to jump ship - you’re committed and you’re gonna see this one through.
You get back to your place, and it hasn’t improved. There is nothing impressive being shown at all, and you feel depressed at the thought that there were so many similar options back at the club, but you opted for Billings.
The next morning, in the light of day, you roll over and see what you’ve wound up lying next to, and you feel sick in the stomach. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing, but you really grabbed the wrong girl.
So, I wish I could go to that club and pick up Heeney or McLean, but I can’t. All I can do is order Billings an Uber, send him/her home, and have a shower to wash away the remnants.
Next week I’ll head back to the club and try and find someone more appealing that I can form a long relationship with.
Yes, you've spent your money, you can't get it back, move on and learn. For me it's usually them that roll over and dry reach :-[
the top 4 rookies this year (Kelly/Doedee/Finlayson/Murray) have outscored this "Premium"
I’ve downgraded him to Spargo he is a better scoring option, I’d be surprised if he held his spot this week. I hate him.
Those who want to keep him, do you want to see him in your side at the end of the year? Out for me.
Quote from: Perthwildcat on May 08, 2018, 12:50:00 PM
Those who want to keep him, do you want to see him in your side at the end of the year? Out for me.
Plan is to move to F7 when Walters bottoms out
Quote from: Colty on May 08, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
I’ve downgraded him to Spargo he is a better scoring option, I’d be surprised if he held his spot this week. I hate him.
Yep! Cant stand the sight of him! Makes me cringe when he plays, funny thing was on Sunday 3-4 times the ball barrelled of him, he's playing worse than a rookie at the moment.
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 08, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: Colty on May 08, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
I’ve downgraded him to Spargo he is a better scoring option, I’d be surprised if he held his spot this week. I hate him.
Yep! Cant stand the sight of him! Makes me cringe when he plays, funny thing was on Sunday 3-4 times the ball barrelled of him, he's playing worse than a rookie at the moment.
Yep the whole Saints team are playing rubbish with no confidence but rarely a team plays a whole season of footy like that so I will be ready to pounce on him when bottoms out , hopefully he can keep the rubbish going for a bit longer ;)
Mods can we please merge this with the Rookies thread :P
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 08, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
Mods can we please merge this with the Rookies thread :P
Even better there should be a thread for Billings and Spudstein combined....
Might upgrade him to Ronke
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 08, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on May 08, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
Mods can we please merge this with the Rookies thread :P
Even better there should be a thread for Billings and Spudstein combined....
I think you have to click on the rubbish bin symbol to get to that thread
Haven't watched the Melbourne game yet. I've been putting it off. Posters at saintsational are calling for him to be dropped. Hardly surprising stuff. To think we could've picked Bont with #3. The Saints recruiters need to be shot.
Getting Lids with much trepidation.
Edit - no I'm not, just read the injury thread, back to the drawing board, bullet missed.
Forced to hold until Walters comes back at least and bottoms out for an easier sideways trade. Otherwise he goes around the byes.
"Worse than a rookie" jokes aside, he has more upside than Holman, Fritsch, Spargo & Murray. I would rather move those guys out of my starting 22 first.
Summed it up on the weekend when 2 Saints players backed into packs putting themselves in danger for the team, then next play Billings pulled out of a similar contest. That one moment alone is enough to drop a player...
Quote from: jvalles69 on May 09, 2018, 01:52:06 PM
Summed it up on the weekend when 2 Saints players backed into packs putting themselves in danger for the team, then next play Billings pulled out of a similar contest. That one moment alone is enough to drop a player...
Hoping he is dropped.. makes the decision a lot easier!
Knew when I picked him he'd do considerably better in wins than losses. Just didn't expect the saints to lose quite so much this year. I'm gonna be holding him for now, but may move him on around the byes if he doesn't start picking it up/they don't start getting more competitive at least.
Quote from: Colty on May 08, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
I’ve downgraded him to Spargo he is a better scoring option, I’d be surprised if he held his spot this week. I hate him.
;D This made me laugh. I did the same, although I'm not sure I hate the bloke....... just dislike his scoring at present!
Treating him like a rookie, scores like one but instead of generating cash he’s bleeding it. On this basis I’m trading him while he’s retaining some value. Watch him turn it all around now!
Quote from: Samm79 on May 09, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
Treating him like a rookie, scores like one but instead of generating cash he’s bleeding it. On this basis I’m trading him while he’s retaining some value. Watch him turn it all around now!
We thought he was gonna turn it around a few rounds ago...still waiting :P
Quote from: Samm79 on May 09, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
Treating him like a rookie, scores like one but instead of generating cash he’s bleeding it. On this basis I’m trading him while he’s retaining some value. Watch him turn it all around now!
Pretty much my logic right now.
Got Spargo last week, so I can swing him forward and trade Billings to Mutch assuming he gets named.
Alternatively, I can probably get Ronke over Mutch.
Quote from: Nige on May 10, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: Samm79 on May 09, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
Treating him like a rookie, scores like one but instead of generating cash he’s bleeding it. On this basis I’m trading him while he’s retaining some value. Watch him turn it all around now!
Pretty much my logic right now.
Got Spargo last week, so I can swing him forward and trade Billings to Mutch assuming he gets named.
Alternatively, I can probably get Ronke over Mutch.
Thinking the exact same thing
Trading this flog out for Gray before he started losing too much cash was the best move I made this season. ;D
He held his spot.
Officially destined for F7 in my side.
Billings will tonne up this week and everyone that traded him out will be kicking themselves :P
Quote from: Maca24 on May 11, 2018, 01:06:03 PM
Billings will tonne up this week and everyone that traded him out will be kicking themselves :P
::)
Quote from: Maca24 on May 11, 2018, 01:06:03 PM
Billings will tonne up this week and everyone that traded him out will be kicking themselves :P
There's no amount of redemption Billings can do for me now. Those who traded a month ago are so far in front it's not even funny and are no doubt will not be kicking themselves.
St Kilda's next 5 games:
Fremantle (A)
Collingwood
Richmond
Wes Coast (A)
Sydney
Billings will be 300k by St Kilda's bye going by the way he is playing.
Its a no-brainer....if you have the luxury to hold him on your bench/loophole then ok hold him.
If you don't then its pretty simple....TRADE
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 11, 2018, 01:19:33 PM
St Kilda's next 5 games:
Fremantle (A)
Collingwood
Richmond
Wes Coast (A)
Sydney
Billings will be 300k by St Kilda's bye going by the way he is playing.
Its a no-brainer....if you have the luxury to hold him on your bench/loophole then ok hold him.
If you don't then its pretty simple....TRADE
Lost too much money. I'd rather upgrade a rookie than side trade a falling prem. Better to upgrade around him. If he turns it around then great, if not he goes to the bench.
7 games 74 average.
133, 80, 54, 65, 81, 47, 57.
1 great score, 3 passes (65 was off 81 dt so was inefficient) and then 3 howlers 47, 54, 57.
They won Round 1 then have lost 6 straight. Wouldn't be easy for any high half forward no matter what team you're apart of. He's a victim of a team playing shower footy. He's meant to play a high pressure role and meant to kick goals with oppo's best defender hanging off him bc he's Saints best player. If you watch, so many times they just throw him the ball and he's meant to do something amazing with it. All his touches are under sooooo much pressure and hence his low disposal efficiency. And ok yes he's kicking lots of points but once again he's a victim of a team that is mentally not good with shots on goal. And if you were picking Billings for an efficient kick at goal, don't know what you expected. Also Saints have kicked 45 goals in the last 6 games so 7.5 average. Not gonna be healthy for anyone.
It's really simple. Yes Billings isn't playing his best footy but I'd be putting it on the blokes higher up the ground for not doing their jobs properly. Saints rank last in clearanes, 13th in both inside 50's of which they're just dumb long kicks and 13th for effective disposals.
Message is pretty simple. If Saints can start to play some sort of decent football Billings will improve. I'm a Billings owner but I'm over the bashing this guy gets. Honestly it's 10% his fault and 90% the rest of the team. And as for sitting off packs, why would he be the guy going in and getting the in and under ball? He's elite on the outside not on the inside. That's why you have your grunt guys like Steven, Ross, Dunstan and Armo. They're not doing their jobs good enough for him.
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 11, 2018, 01:19:33 PM
St Kilda's next 5 games:
Fremantle (A)
Collingwood
Richmond
Wes Coast (A)
Sydney
Billings will be 300k by St Kilda's bye going by the way he is playing.
Its a no-brainer....if you have the luxury to hold him on your bench/loophole then ok hold him.
If you don't then its pretty simple....TRADE
It isn't that simple.
His upside is higher than Fritsch, Holman, Murray, Spargo, Higgins, ZGL (ie. rookies averaging <80), so if you are fielding any of these guys then I would move them out of your best 22 first.
Also if you already have Gray, McLean, Heeney, Sicily & Devon Smith as premiums in your side in addition to Billings, then who is actually worthy of upgrade? Plus even if you don't have Gray, his bye is in just 2 weeks.
Billings to a Robinson/Hogan type just seems a tad risky/sideways for mine.
Quote from: MontyJnr on May 11, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: Hazza09 on May 11, 2018, 01:19:33 PM
St Kilda's next 5 games:
Fremantle (A)
Collingwood
Richmond
Wes Coast (A)
Sydney
Billings will be 300k by St Kilda's bye going by the way he is playing.
Its a no-brainer....if you have the luxury to hold him on your bench/loophole then ok hold him.
If you don't then its pretty simple....TRADE
It isn't that simple.
His upside is higher than Fritsch, Holman, Murray, Spargo, Higgins, ZGL (ie. rookies averaging <80), so if you are fielding any of these guys then I would move them out of your best 22 first.
Also if you already have Gray, McLean, Heeney, Sicily & Devon Smith as premiums in your side in addition to Billings, then who is actually worthy of upgrade? Plus even if you don't have Gray, his bye is in just 2 weeks.
Billings to a Robinson/Hogan type just seems a tad risky/sideways for mine.
exactly right i just went Finlayson to Crouch
I can see Crouch + Billings easily beating Fwd premo + Finlayson
Ill probably make the trade round 14 if his form hasnt turned around during the byes
QuoteAlso if you already have Gray, McLean, Heeney, Sicily & Devon Smith as premiums in your side in addition to Billings, then who is actually worthy of upgrade? Plus even if you don't have Gray, his bye is in just 2 weeks.
Well in my case i don't have Gray, McLean, Heeney or Sicily. My point before was if you have those 4 then Billings can stay, i agree with the fact that other rookies have to go before him.
But if you are holding Billings as a F3 or F4 along with Buddy, Petracca and ZGL, Higgins, Guelfi & Fritsch then you are in a huge spot of bother, like my forward line is.
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St Kilda's next 5 games:
Fremantle (A)
Collingwood
Richmond
Wes Coast (A)
Sydney
Billings will be 300k by St Kilda's bye going by the way he is playing.
Its a no-brainer....if you have the luxury to hold him on your bench/loophole then ok hold him.
If you don't then its pretty simple....TRADE
It isn't that simple.
His upside is higher than Fritsch, Holman, Murray, Spargo, Higgins, ZGL (ie. rookies averaging <80), so if you are fielding any of these guys then I would move them out of your best 22 first.
Also if you already have Gray, McLean, Heeney, Sicily & Devon Smith as premiums in your side in addition to Billings, then who is actually worthy of upgrade? Plus even if you don't have Gray, his bye is in just 2 weeks.
Billings to a Robinson/Hogan type just seems a tad risky/sideways for mine.
exactly right i just went Finlayson to Crouch
I can see Crouch + Billings easily beating Fwd premo + Finlayson
Dunno about easily.
Crouch 110 + Billings 75 vs
Fwd premo 100 + Finlayson 85
You're banking on Billings improving 10 + points and Finlayson going > 75
Which is totally possible, but I haven't got Gray or McLean so that's another 10-15 points to make that up.
I'm not in a position to trade Billings unfortunately, but if you're comparing scores of Billings + Crouch vs McLean/Gray + Finlayson I don't see much difference. Even with a Robbo/Hogan type.
Quote from: ubeaut on May 11, 2018, 02:18:50 PM
Dunno about easily.
Crouch 110 + Billings 75 vs
Fwd premo 100 + Finlayson 85
You're banking on Billings improving 10 + points and Finlayson going > 75
Which is totally possible, but I haven't got Gray or McLean so that's another 10-15 points to make that up.
I'm not in a position to trade Billings unfortunately, but if you're comparing scores of Billings + Crouch vs McLean/Gray + Finlayson I don't see much difference. Even with a Robbo/Hogan type.
So Billings 75 considering playing at worst right now. Probably 80-85 more like it.
Finlayson is still a freshy, 3 rd of 70 and 5 rd of 78. Reckon he'd be good for 70-75 from here on out.
And when you consider potential Billings 95 + Crouch 115 v forward premo 100 + finlayson 85. No brainer.
Hope you're right about the 95, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't agree that it's only 10% his fault. Watching him he's way down on form, confidence and above all effort.
Quote from: ubeaut on May 11, 2018, 02:26:11 PM
Hope you're right about the 95, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't agree that it's only 10% his fault. Watching him he's way down on form, confidence and above all effort.
I've just finished watching last week's game. He was shocking. To say he was disinterested was an understatement. He was out for a slow bruise free Sunday jog in space. No energy, no spark and bugger all mid time but 20 possessions and 57 points. His teammates were woeful and I'd like to see the coach play him in the guts so it's not completely his fault but at 377k I'll be stuffed if I'm trading him out. I want to but I can't get anyone I'd like to replace him so I'll keep him. Sigh. Not sure what the stats say but frontrunner ?
Hopefully at the match review during the week he got a rocket up him for squibbing contests and not putting any effort in. Looked so bad on TV at times. I'm actually surprised he kept his spot in the team. On the Melbourne performance he has to be on notice.
Got Ronke on the pine with the E. Billings better get a decent score...
Quote from: SilverLion on May 11, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Got Ronke on the pine with the E. Billings better get a decent score...
Wishful thinking... :P
Traded this dud to Ronke last night. Master stroke 8)
Quote from: quinny88 on May 12, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
Traded this dud to Ronke last night. Master stroke 8)
Ditto, with Ronke on field. Ronke's score enabled me to also trade Spargo in, double down grade with a premo score thrown in. Now have 20 trades left plus 520k in the kitty. Just need a team to go with it !!
:)
Cant believe i have held this spud 3 points at qtr time no more
So now I've copped the Naughton donut and this bloke is on 2 ten minutes into the second
Double donut
What the actual flower
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Cant believe i have held this spud 3 points at qtr time no more
Gone this week, can't stand watching his seagull antics anymore.
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Cant believe i have held this spud 3 points at qtr time no more
Gone this week, can't stand watching his seagull antics anymore.
Hopefully Lids returns next week, then I'll play Ronke and Fritsch and bench this hack and then upgrade him to Gray after his bye
So NOW I realize it doesn't matter he's lost cash. U can't have this useless muppet on the field, even over a rookie.
I could have played Fritsch and got 98 or traded to Ronke and got 120.
He is now officially worse than ANY rookie. How the actual flower can u be worse than any rookie and cost over 500k?
I was this close to trading him out today, stopped myself due to keeping my team structure and focusing on upgrading around him. I wish I'd just flowering done it. I didn't realize he was this useless.
I was hoping for a 75+ which is his average. Obviously asking way too much from this auskicker.
PS I hate u Billings. You have ruined my fwd line, stuffed up my upgrade plans, and along with Spudstein given me my worst start to SC ever.
Think I'll do Billings -> Phillips next week.
I'd trade him to Zac Dawson, Prestigia como, or Relton friggin Roberts at this point.
Quote from: Mongoose528 on May 12, 2018, 10:21:50 PM
Think I'll do Billings -> Phillips next week.
A first gamer making Billings look like even more of a flog.
Phillips has 20 possessions at 85% in a team getting killed at quarter time.
Double Billings SC score so far.
Reckon I'll bench him and play Ronke next week.
Will be cheap next year.
Jump on
He could be 200k next year and I still wouldn't pick him.
Quote from: fanTCfool on May 13, 2018, 12:19:03 AM
He could be 200k next year and I still wouldn't pick him.
Traded this fraud to McLean, I have enough shower to deal with and he had to go!
Next it’s Petracca and then O’Meara.
To little to late though, Bilings has ruined my season and my worst ever SC season to date.
I cant wait to give him the boot come sunday night!! The feeling of satisfaction will be overwhelmingly great! Think I might as well cash in for whatever is left. Spewing I didn't go a week earlier and grab Ronke, now that would have been some sweet Supercoach luck right there. Good bye Billings, you are officially on my never again list. Now, what to do with Goldyspud..........
Quote from: Mongoose528 on May 12, 2018, 10:21:50 PM
Think I'll do Billings -> Phillips next week.
This is what I'm going to do as well. I currently have Walters on the pine in the mids so can swing him back to do this trade.
Every second week I've threatened to trade his a$$ but I think this week it's actually possible, likely and better for my team than other trades I could make.
My fwds will be weak for yet another week but at least Billings won't be there...
Sicily, D Smith, Fritsch, Spargo, Ronke, ZGL (Walters, Guelfi)
He will have dropped to about 350K. Shouldn’t lose any money from there.. was thinking to bench him and hope he turns it around. Based on watching last nights game though, surely he will be dropped
Quote from: tkringle on May 13, 2018, 11:02:45 AM
He will have dropped to about 350K. Shouldn’t lose any money from there.. was thinking to bench him and hope he turns it around. Based on watching last nights game though, surely he will be dropped
Reckon he may be a good footballer somewhere else, but NOT at the Saints. So you really have to cut your losses before he totally drives everybody bloody bonkers. For the 1st time this season I did something right, Billings to Ronke whom I played on the field. Rd 11 sees Goldyfraud turn into Ryder and then I can at least have some hope for the last 12 rds. Just accumulating cash until then and should have enough for about 4 prem upgrades, 750k to 1m. For now it's grin and bear it. Cheers.
:)
Spudding it again
Quote from: smashbox on May 19, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
Spudding it again
34 at 1/2, could be worse so I'm hoping he can get to 80 with a good second half
Fingers crossed
Yeah nah that's not happening with 4 SC in the 3rd haha
I was tossing up between Doedee and Billings and decided to trade Doedee lol disaster
All my rookies scored more than Billings, very happy to have kicked him to the curb.
I'm getting him on the pine ASAP
I gave him yet another chance this week
I'll bench him next week and then trade him for Boak I reckon
Saving the cash and bring in Buddy/Gray for Billings.
WHY DO I STILL HAVE BILLINGS!! >:(
I launched him 2 weeks ago for McLean and havnt looked back.
When Guelfi and ZGL score the same if not more than Billings you know you have made the correct decision.
I can’t believe this bloke was 509k at the start of the season.
Biggest mistake was getting sucked into his pre season hype, he’s officially joined the “ never again list “
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 19, 2018, 10:12:47 PM
Yeah nah that's not happening with 4 SC in the 3rd haha
I was tossing up between Doedee and Billings and decided to trade Doedee lol disaster
LOL! The season from hell for you RD? :-X
So glad I did Billings > Ronke a couple of weeks ago. Some may think it's a downgrade but it's a genuine upgrade lol
Quote from: quinny88 on May 20, 2018, 03:11:14 AM
So glad I did Billings > Ronke a couple of weeks ago. Some may think it's a downgrade but it's a genuine upgrade lol
I did Christensen --> Ronke. Still pretty good I think? :P
i was always planning to keep him given he is rookie priced but its getting to the point where i dont even want to start him over rookies.
i was going to upgrade down back but all the defensive rookies are crushing him in scoring. Im likely dumping him this week, about 7 rounds too late.
The main reason is there actually are some really good scoring forwards.
Quote from: Holz on May 21, 2018, 02:35:30 PM
i was always planning to keep him given he is rookie priced but its getting to the point where i dont even want to start him over rookies.
i was going to upgrade down back but all the defensive rookies are crushing him in scoring. Im likely dumping him this week, about 7 rounds too late.
The main reason is there actually are some really good scoring forwards.
I've held onto him too, not sure what to do to be honest... :-\
There's obviously something wrong with him - if he was actually that poor surely he would be dropped. Richo seems to have patience with him when he's dragging others down the race for a personal chat. Leave him as an F7 with lopping ability and hope that he somehow manages to find some form and start getting 80's. If like me you choose him over Maclean then you've lost all your league matches and are 600 points in the deficit.
Walters next week. Can't wait.
Quote from: bonebones on May 21, 2018, 02:38:23 PM
There's obviously something wrong with him - if he was actually that poor surely he would be dropped. Richo seems to have patience with him when he's dragging others down the race for a personal chat. Leave him as an F7 with lopping ability and hope that he somehow manages to find some form and start getting 80's. If like me you choose him over Maclean then you've lost all your league matches and are 600 points in the deficit.
Totally lacking confidence, skirting the packs, rushing kicks & running around in circles. Would bet that Fritsch & Ronke outscore him from here.
Quote from: Bully on May 21, 2018, 04:00:00 PM
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There's obviously something wrong with him - if he was actually that poor surely he would be dropped. Richo seems to have patience with him when he's dragging others down the race for a personal chat. Leave him as an F7 with lopping ability and hope that he somehow manages to find some form and start getting 80's. If like me you choose him over Maclean then you've lost all your league matches and are 600 points in the deficit.
Totally lacking confidence, skirting the packs, rushing kicks & running around in circles. Would bet that Fritsch & Ronke outscore him from here.
I can't believe it, but Billings survives yet another week in my team
Finlayson, Murray and Keeffe all out means I need to trade down back and Billings survives lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 25, 2018, 12:34:06 AM
I can't believe it, but Billings survives yet another week in my team
Finlayson, Murray and Keeffe all out means I need to trade down back and Billings survives lol
I was gonna keep him after all the carnage. But decided i don't even care anymore hahaha, I'll gain more points trading him to Heeney than i will bringing in another rookie for someone like spargo who will probably be dropped
After the byes he will be a SC jet!
Can't wait to make him either F7, or Walters.
Quote from: RoughRed on May 25, 2018, 02:05:05 AM
After the byes he will be a SC jet!
could be a luxury shot after his bye @ under 300K 'cough, cough' ::)
that relieved to be putting the EMG on him this week
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 25, 2018, 12:34:06 AM
I can't believe it, but Billings survives yet another week in my team
Finlayson, Murray and Keeffe all out means I need to trade down back and Billings survives lol
Same here RD, he is just the gift that keeps on giving! Think I'll wait until his bye then..... bye, bye....... ;)
Had enough. Traded him to Darling
Loopholing (is that a word?) with Spargo using Crowden. I'll take a 70.
I'm actually watching him closely today and boy oh boy he is horrible
No second efforts, fumbling, just zero confidence and really does need to be dropped
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 26, 2018, 03:29:38 PM
I'm actually watching him closely today and boy oh boy he is horrible
No second efforts, fumbling, just zero confidence and really does need to be dropped
Being built like a featherweight doesn't help his SC score either, very few contested possessions. On track for another 50 this week.
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I'm actually watching him closely today and boy oh boy he is horrible
No second efforts, fumbling, just zero confidence and really does need to be dropped
Being built like a featherweight doesn't help his SC score either, very few contested possessions. On track for another 50 this week.
Then how did he get so many good scores last year that made people fork out 500k plus this year ?
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I'm actually watching him closely today and boy oh boy he is horrible
No second efforts, fumbling, just zero confidence and really does need to be dropped
Being built like a featherweight doesn't help his SC score either, very few contested possessions. On track for another 50 this week.
Then how did he get so many good scores last year that made people fork out 500k plus this year ?
A few things I've noticed - very few centre square appearances, kicking at goal has been appalling & the Saints forward entries have been haphazard. The other point is teams simply don't give him much latitude.
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I'm actually watching him closely today and boy oh boy he is horrible
No second efforts, fumbling, just zero confidence and really does need to be dropped
Being built like a featherweight doesn't help his SC score either, very few contested possessions. On track for another 50 this week.
Then how did he get so many good scores last year that made people fork out 500k plus this year ?
A few things I've noticed - very few centre square appearances, kicking at goal has been appalling & the Saints forward entries have been haphazard. The other point is teams simply don't give him much latitude.
Just had a quick look at his scores last year and a lot of his big scores are when he played FWD he really did not spend much time in the mids , so maybe just put it down to failure to launch :D
Just not hard at the ball, it’s just as simple as that. Never again on my sc list!
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Then how did he get so many good scores last year that made people fork out 500k plus this year ?
A few things I've noticed - very few centre square appearances, kicking at goal has been appalling & the Saints forward entries have been haphazard. The other point is teams simply don't give him much latitude.
Just had a quick look at his scores last year and a lot of his big scores are when he played FWD he really did not spend much time in the mids , so maybe just put it down to failure to launch :D
He was talked up in the pre-season like he gets a huge amount of midfield time, but it was a complete myth. He really never spent much time in there. At best he floated up to the wing on occasion, but rarely would he attend centre bounces.
I admittedly didn't see much of St Kilda last season and was sucked into what others were saying about him. He had an injury interrupted pre-season too, so I am staggered that alone didn't set off alarm bells.
Ultimately, the game needs to be played in St Kilda's forward half for him to see the ball.
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Then how did he get so many good scores last year that made people fork out 500k plus this year ?
A few things I've noticed - very few centre square appearances, kicking at goal has been appalling & the Saints forward entries have been haphazard. The other point is teams simply don't give him much latitude.
Just had a quick look at his scores last year and a lot of his big scores are when he played FWD he really did not spend much time in the mids , so maybe just put it down to failure to launch :D
He was talked up in the pre-season like he gets a huge amount of midfield time, but it was a complete myth. He really never spent much time in there. At best he floated up to the wing on occasion, but rarely would he attend centre bounces.
I admittedly didn't see much of St Kilda last season and was sucked into what others were saying about him. He had an injury interrupted pre-season too, so I am staggered that alone didn't set off alarm bells.
Ultimately, the game needs to be played in St Kilda's forward half for him to see the ball.
The issue is more that I along with many others didn't foresee the saints being bad this year - certainly not like they have been. If they were winning more games/more competitive then Billings would score much better. We knew he scored tonnes better in wins than losses - it's why he's got a 130+ to his name this year despite being awful.
Did score 52SC in the second half, so I guess that's something
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-26/richardson-defends-sloppy-saint-billings
"I thought Jack turned the corner a bit for us today.
"He hasn't been in great form. He got a fair bit of the footy last week. He was able to kick a reasonably nice goal but overall, didn't play with the sort of presence that Billings plays with and brings to our team. For big parts of the game today, against quality opposition, I thought he was able to do that."
The work Billings did without the football impressed Richardson.
"His contest in the air and at ground level, his ability to be able to get after the opposition and put on pressure. The pressure side of his game, given the offensive form hasn't been there, has actually been pretty solid for us this year," Richardson said.
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Then how did he get so many good scores last year that made people fork out 500k plus this year ?
A few things I've noticed - very few centre square appearances, kicking at goal has been appalling & the Saints forward entries have been haphazard. The other point is teams simply don't give him much latitude.
Just had a quick look at his scores last year and a lot of his big scores are when he played FWD he really did not spend much time in the mids , so maybe just put it down to failure to launch :D
He was talked up in the pre-season like he gets a huge amount of midfield time, but it was a complete myth. He really never spent much time in there. At best he floated up to the wing on occasion, but rarely would he attend centre bounces.
I admittedly didn't see much of St Kilda last season and was sucked into what others were saying about him. He had an injury interrupted pre-season too, so I am staggered that alone didn't set off alarm bells.
Ultimately, the game needs to be played in St Kilda's forward half for him to see the ball.
The issue is more that I along with many others didn't foresee the saints being bad this year - certainly not like they have been. If they were winning more games/more competitive then Billings would score much better. We knew he scored tonnes better in wins than losses - it's why he's got a 130+ to his name this year despite being awful.
Have to disagree. The Saints were competitive last week and yesterday. Billings was still crap. He's just crap.
Billings isn't SC relevant this year, people need to either trade him or get him to F7.
Looking like I will be forced to get rid of him finally if I want Austin. Every other rookie I own is either doing well enough to hold down an on-field spot until their bye (Fritsch & Doedee) or doesn't have enough value to enable me to do an upgrade with another trade.
47, 57, 54, 57, 70 & 58 his last 6 scores. Can't see any benefit having him as an F7 backup with those numbers.
The only reason I still have him is because I've always had something else pop up that needed to be dealt with
With 3 trades this week I can finally dump this spud!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 03, 2018, 01:00:27 AM
The only reason I still have him is because I've always had something else pop up that needed to be dealt with
With 3 trades this week I can finally dump this spud!
Feels really good not seeing the name “Billings†in my team. Now I can really concentrate on bringing in Gray/Westhoff next week 8)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 03, 2018, 01:00:27 AM
The only reason I still have him is because I've always had something else pop up that needed to be dealt with
With 3 trades this week I can finally dump this spud!
+1
Billings > Walters
Now watch him score 130 like Kelly.
Will be F7 this week. Hopefully he stays there.
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 03, 2018, 01:00:27 AM
The only reason I still have him is because I've always had something else pop up that needed to be dealt with
With 3 trades this week I can finally dump this spud!
+1
Billings > Walters
Now watch him score 130 like Kelly.
I too dumped him this week for Walters. Never has it felt so good to push the trade button......... except this one time, on a footy trip to Sydney......... ::)
Next stop Goldy to Grundy after the bye!
Billings -> Austin (via Sicily) and build bank to $500k.
Opens up another premium defender spot but will have a few options available.
Quote from: Huttabito on June 03, 2018, 02:04:48 PM
Billings -> Austin (via Sicily) and build bank to $500k.
Opens up another premium defender spot but will have a few options available.
+1 I'll be doing Billings to Austin too, but I'll throw Keeffe forward. Same shower really
I'll see you out to the end Jacky boy. Still rather have you then some even less reliable rookie.
And on the off chance he churns out some tons, I'll be laughing.
Quote from: MontyJnr on June 03, 2018, 12:25:33 AM
Looking like I will be forced to get rid of him finally if I want Austin. Every other rookie I own is either doing well enough to hold down an on-field spot until their bye (Fritsch & Doedee) or doesn't have enough value to enable me to do an upgrade with another trade.
47, 57, 54, 57, 70 & 58 his last 6 scores. Can't see any benefit having him as an F7 backup with those numbers.
Once again, I've backed out of the Billings trade. I will be doing a 3rd trade to enable me to get Austin and do an upgrade as well. Only an omission will see Billings leave my side now.
I decided to punt Jack Higgins instead, who is only 40k less and putting up similar numbers.
Billings has been mentally draining, but confirming his 191k loss with a trade is just as difficult to stomach IMO.
I am now counting down the days until St Kilda's R13 game against Gold Coast.
Quote from: imjusflexin on June 04, 2018, 06:00:13 PM
I'll see you out to the end Jacky boy. Still rather have you then some even less reliable rookie.
And on the off chance he churns out some tons, I'll be laughing.
Problem is he's scoring less than most rookies.
There is absolutely no benefit trading him now at his value when you've surely got other rookies around the same price ready to be culled.
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Quote from: Huttabito on June 03, 2018, 02:04:48 PM
Billings -> Austin (via Sicily) and build bank to $500k.
Opens up another premium defender spot but will have a few options available.
+1 I'll be doing Billings to Austin too, but I'll throw Keeffe forward. Same shower really
Yeah I can't do this now
Billings has to stay for another 2 weeks for me :'(
Quote from: Torpedo10 on June 04, 2018, 06:15:39 PM
There is absolutely no benefit trading him now at his value when you've surely got other rookies around the same price ready to be culled.
If he is your only means of getting a particular premium or rookie you want, then I can see merit in trading him. His 317k price tag still gives him an edge over Spargo types sitting around the 240k mark.
Would also trade him before Fritsch & Doedee, who still have money to make before their byes and are putting up good scores.
Guelfi at 270k with an 18 BE should probably be held over Billings this week also.
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Quote from: Torpedo10 on June 04, 2018, 06:15:39 PM
There is absolutely no benefit trading him now at his value when you've surely got other rookies around the same price ready to be culled.
If he is your only means of getting a particular premium or rookie you want, then I can see merit in trading him. His 317k price tag still gives him an edge over Spargo types sitting around the 240k mark.
Would also trade him before Fritsch & Doedee, who still have money to make before their byes and are putting up good scores.
Guelfi at 270k with an 18 BE should probably be held over Billings this week also.
I told myself I'd hold Billings untill I completed the rest of my team but he is feally testing my patience! Two rookies and Billings left on field now after this week though and Banfield and Guelfi are coming off 80s so might habe to jump off Billings first.
will keep him for the byes, now if he gets dropped then ill be really mad.
Lol
See ya Billings u useless flog.
Quote from: Holz on June 05, 2018, 10:08:38 AM
will keep him for the byes, now if he gets dropped then ill be really mad.
You mad? I MAD! After all those horrible things he had one job, play the byes!! :'(
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will keep him for the byes, now if he gets dropped then ill be really mad.
You mad? I MAD! After all those horrible things he had one job, play the byes!! :'(
Why are people surprised he got dropped? He’s had zero confidence for a while now. So glad I got rid of him but would have done that 3-4 weeks ago if I didn’t have other issues.
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Quote from: Holz on June 05, 2018, 10:08:38 AM
will keep him for the byes, now if he gets dropped then ill be really mad.
You mad? I MAD! After all those horrible things he had one job, play the byes!! :'(
Why are people surprised he got dropped? He’s had zero confidence for a while now. So glad I got rid of him but would have done that 3-4 weeks ago if I didn’t have other issues.
Im not surprised.. but im still unhappy
Of all the flowering weeks for it to happen.
Guess I have to trade the hack now?!
Get rid of him for .... anyone. Trust me you will feel better.
Finally going to drop him. Low odds but whats the bet he'll come out with a good run of games now hes finally out of my team
53 Disposals and 3 Goals in the VFL.
Different coach? Doesn't matter anyway, I traded him out!
He'll probably come back in and score 130, which is 130 more than headbutt mcpunchgut Walters will score who I traded him for...
I hate them both.
Quote from: ubeaut on June 10, 2018, 08:37:31 PM
He'll probably come back in and score 130, which is 130 more than headbutt mcpunchgut Walters will score who I traded him for...
I hate them both.
Same. flower them both
What’s the chances of him coming straight back in? Would cover Walters for me.
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 10, 2018, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on June 10, 2018, 05:48:15 PM
in the VFL.
It's not like the VFL is a shower league like the NEAFL
53 and 3 is flowering massive
I traded him out this week (finally) because I thought he'd play at least 2 in the ressies, then come back after their bye but he might be straight back in after that performance
Curious to see how he goes - I'm hoping he doesn't do too much for the rest of this year because I'd actually start him next year if he can stay under 400k
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 11, 2018, 08:57:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 10, 2018, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on June 10, 2018, 05:48:15 PM
in the VFL.
It's not like the VFL is a shower league like the NEAFL
53 and 3 is flowering massive
I traded him out this week (finally) because I thought he'd play at least 2 in the ressies, then come back after their bye but he might be straight back in after that performance
Curious to see how he goes - I'm hoping he doesn't do too much for the rest of this year because I'd actually start him next year if he can stay under 400k
Not going near him again, seagull personified.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 11, 2018, 08:57:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 10, 2018, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on June 10, 2018, 05:48:15 PM
in the VFL.
It's not like the VFL is a shower league like the NEAFL
53 and 3 is flowering massive
I traded him out this week (finally) because I thought he'd play at least 2 in the ressies, then come back after their bye but he might be straight back in after that performance
Curious to see how he goes - I'm hoping he doesn't do too much for the rest of this year because I'd actually start him next year if he can stay under 400k
Disagree, Frankston would struggle in the VFL. Sandringham are nothing special and they won by 130 points!
Quote from: elephants on June 12, 2018, 12:10:21 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 11, 2018, 08:57:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on June 10, 2018, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on June 10, 2018, 05:48:15 PM
in the VFL.
It's not like the VFL is a shower league like the NEAFL
53 and 3 is flowering massive
I traded him out this week (finally) because I thought he'd play at least 2 in the ressies, then come back after their bye but he might be straight back in after that performance
Curious to see how he goes - I'm hoping he doesn't do too much for the rest of this year because I'd actually start him next year if he can stay under 400k
Disagree, Frankston would struggle in the VFL. Sandringham are nothing special and they won by 130 points!
Frankston are an absolute basket case. Still impressive but I wouldn't take anything out of it apart from hopefully a bit of confidence boosting
Guess who I traded Billings to when he was dropped for rd12??
yep, Micky Walters … :(
serves me right … ;)
Hypothetically, if Billings came back in and scored back to back 110's, would you look to get him back in if you traded him out?
At 350k(ish), we all know what he's capable of, and plenty of players have come back and played well after a confidence boosting VFL performance.
Quote from: jfitty on June 14, 2018, 11:05:42 AM
Hypothetically, if Billings came back in and scored back to back 110's, would you look to get him back in if you traded him out?
At 350k(ish), we all know what he's capable of, and plenty of players have come back and played well after a confidence boosting VFL performance.
I honestly would
I know most people here can't stand him now, and I too started him and put up with his crap up until last week when I traded him, but watching him play it was clear to me that it was a combination of low confidence and playing out of position
If he was to get more mid/wing time and scored well I would probably bring him in. I haven't put him on my never again list yet
Fair dinkum, he'd better not ton up this week, i'll be bloody spewing.
Quote from: Goosey on June 14, 2018, 07:44:20 PM
Fair dinkum, he'd better not ton up this week, i'll be bloody spewing.
Quote from: Goosey on June 14, 2018, 07:44:20 PM
Fair dinkum, he'd better not ton up this week, i'll be bloody spewing.
It’s almost a certainty I reckon :-X
Quote from: Rusty00 on June 14, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
Quote from: Goosey on June 14, 2018, 07:44:20 PM
Fair dinkum, he'd better not ton up this week, i'll be bloody spewing.
It’s almost a certainty I reckon :-X
Yep, GC is exactly the team to run into form too
Have a guess who's the top scoring Saint and player on the ground with 34 and it's not even 1/4 time
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 16, 2018, 05:51:51 PM
Have a guess who's the top scoring Saint and player on the ground with 34 and it's not even 1/4 time
I hate that cow so much
Only took 53 touches for Richo to finally realise that he shouldn't be playing in the pocket
Bloody hate Richo and Billings. Kept him all year waiting for richo to grow a brain and play him on a wing. He gets dropped I trade him, comes back plays on a wing and is killing it. Piss off
I gave this flog so many chances to turn it around. I knew if I traded him he'd come good.
Sure enough. Sorry to all the Walters owners, who I traded him to.
To anyone still with Billturd, you're welcome.
This is not my year in SC.
Flower this guy.
Very nice a good cheap option the week after next , I don't know why you guys are cursing him what a gun :P
Quote from: shaker on June 16, 2018, 07:25:33 PM
Very nice a good cheap option the week after next , I don't know why you guys are cursing him what a gun :P
Never wanted to trade him, but he was dropped so I was forced to. As ubeaut said, I knew he'd turn it around if I ever did trade him.
Only playing gold coast
flower u Billings. flower u Richo
lmao
What a visionary Alan Richardson is! They should resign him for another 5 years! I hadn't heard a single person say it might be a good idea to get Billings into the midfield, really pulled that out of left field, brilliant!
In unrelated news I held Billings all year till last week and in no way do I have sour grapes.
Still only scored 99
Haha!
Billings the ultimate sc troll. ;D
Cant believe i am writing this after the pain he has caused me.. BUT.. If he scores ~90+ this week, is anyone considering bringing him back in as F7/M9 cover?
Would only cost ~$30K to trade Guelfi to him
Quote from: tkringle on June 29, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
Cant believe i am writing this after the pain he has caused me.. BUT.. If he scores ~90+ this week, is anyone considering bringing him back in as F7/M9 cover?
Would only cost ~$30K to trade Guelfi to him
I'd consider it, because Fritsch to Billings would actually net me cash too lol
I was never as dirty on Billings as most were - it was his position that killed him
That said, I'd probably need to see another 2 games before seriously considering going with it
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 29, 2018, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: tkringle on June 29, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
Cant believe i am writing this after the pain he has caused me.. BUT.. If he scores ~90+ this week, is anyone considering bringing him back in as F7/M9 cover?
Would only cost ~$30K to trade Guelfi to him
I'd consider it, because Fritsch to Billings would actually net me cash too lol
I was never as dirty on Billings as most were - it was his position that killed him
That said, I'd probably need to see another 2 games before seriously considering going with it
Have to disagree there RD.
It wasn't his position, although it didn't help.
He played fwd most of last year and averaged mid 90s.
His attitude and form and confidence were WAY down. He didn't want to get his hands dirty, sulking at the back of packs looking for cheap handballs.
Why do u think he was dropped??
Yes,the coach should have put him in the mid rotations earlier, but can't use that alone to account for his piss poor form.
Yeah I'm not saying his attitude was good, but I can understand how it would have dropped week after week being played out of position, not getting involved etc and how that can impact his mindset
Either way, when he is playing well I still think he is a good forward selection
Guess we'll see how he goes for the second half of the season, but he wasn't putting up 90+ last year just playing forward - he was up the ground a lot too
Call me crazy but I'm seriously tempted to swap Liam Ryan to him for my last upgrade with the little bit of cash I've got in the bank
Hes back to playing through the midfield and being given space by the opposition, he gets a lot of the footy when played through the wings, he's super cheap and is now a POD.. It's actually a little scary that it kind of makes sense to me.
It would mean I've used 5 trades in total on just them 2 players LOL I've burnt through trades this year with injuries I'd only have 3 left if I were to make this trade.. I'll be limping into finals by the time they come around. I think I'll take this risk.
Don't think I've ever hated a player in SC more than Billings.
Quote from: ubeaut on July 13, 2018, 10:44:59 PM
Don't think I've ever hated a player in SC more than Billings.
Haha! I unloaded him early, so not hurting too bad, but along with Sicily, he was one of my first picked this year. They both hurt early for different reasons. Cheap next year? Who’s game?
Winning team frontrunner.
As was always going to happen,he has turned it around ever since I traded him.
99, 96, 77, 125ish
Flower him. Never picking him again. Ever.
Nice POD for me next year I guess
Just hope he stays under 400k
Mark my words, everyone will pick him next year.
like any outside player, he'll score well when the team plays well, and he contributes to that. I love him and I love when people get pissed or hate on him, ie ubeat
favourite player. keep it up Jacky
Quote from: no eye deer on July 13, 2018, 11:18:34 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on July 13, 2018, 10:44:59 PM
Don't think I've ever hated a player in SC more than Billings.
Haha! I unloaded him early, so not hurting too bad, but along with Sicily, he was one of my first picked this year. They both hurt early for different reasons. Cheap next year? Who’s game?
Billings the teaser. I was huge on him stepping up this year. park him next to Dusty.
Jeez I hate Billings..
I hate him more!
Quote from: SilverLion on August 11, 2018, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: tkringle on August 11, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
Jeez I hate Billings..
he is an easy bloke to hate that is for sure. what pisses me off is he does enough to look at him again. can sit up next to dusty on the never again bench. it is like calling up the ex girlfriend again. spend the night with her and remember why you are not with her in the first place.
Quote from: crowls on August 13, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on August 11, 2018, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: tkringle on August 11, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
Jeez I hate Billings..
he is an easy bloke to hate that is for sure. what pisses me off is he does enough to look at him again. can sit up next to dusty on the never again bench. it is like calling up the ex girlfriend again. spend the night with her and remember why you are not with her in the first place.
Will probably never touch him in SC again but I traded him in AF after his bye and hes averaged 97! probably one of the few wins I've had in any formats this year haha
Next year for sure :P
Quote from: Gigantor on August 13, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: crowls on August 13, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on August 11, 2018, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: tkringle on August 11, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
Jeez I hate Billings..
he is an easy bloke to hate that is for sure. what pisses me off is he does enough to look at him again. can sit up next to dusty on the never again bench. it is like calling up the ex girlfriend again. spend the night with her and remember why you are not with her in the first place.
Will probably never touch him in SC again but I traded him in AF after his bye and hes averaged 97! probably one of the few wins I've had in any formats this year haha
Exactly the bloody sort of behaviour Billings does to draw you in again. He is a Sucubus!
I'll start him next year as he should keep playing midfield now.