Most likely going to be solo rucking for chunks of the season, worth taking a hit of not 2 premium ruckman to free up 250k+ on other positions? Should score around 80-85 on the games he solos himself.
Mod Edit: The spelling error in the thread title was annoying me
The big problem with this strategy is covering R2 if Lycett gets replaced by Vardy. No obvious replacement.
I'm sure I've read somewhere that WC are looking at Darling playing back.
Could that mean they run with NN swapping with Vardy+Lycett who line up with JJK, instead of Darling and resting ruck?
Quote from: ubeaut on February 24, 2018, 08:07:45 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that WC are looking at Darling playing back.
Could that mean they run with NN swapping with Vardy+Lycett who line up with JJK, instead of Darling and resting ruck?
I haven't heard that one but I doubt all three would play together, we tried that with NN Lycett and Sinkers a few years ago and it was a disaster.
If Darling isn't playing forward I reckon one of Waterman, Brander or Allen would get a go.
Quote from: Gigantor on February 24, 2018, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 24, 2018, 08:07:45 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that WC are looking at Darling playing back.
Could that mean they run with NN swapping with Vardy+Lycett who line up with JJK, instead of Darling and resting ruck?
I haven't heard that one but I doubt all three would play together, we tried that with NN Lycett and Sinkers a few years ago and it was a disaster.
If Darling isn't playing forward I reckon one of Waterman, Brander or Allen would get a go.
I think waterman is gonna play from round 1 for us for sure
Darling down back is something I would indeed try but simpson doesn’t have the thinking to even try it imo
Lycett actually scores better when he plays with NN rather than Rucking Solo.
Would be a huge risk starting him.
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 26, 2018, 11:12:23 AM
Lycett actually scores better when he plays with NN rather than Rucking Solo.
Would be a huge risk starting him.
Yeah will only consider him if the rookie situation is flowered
Im strongly considering lycett if named round 1. Think he can average 80, and with R2 up in the air, you can wait and see and trade them in post bye.
Would like to see him named in the side with NN to have any confidence.
But if that's the case I'm probably taking NicNat over him anyway! :P
I had lycett picked for sure and certain weeks ago but I’m worried about what could happen with nic nat Vardy and lycett. Dangerous if it’s down to a war between the 2
Personally I though Vardy looked way better out there, but could be due to being Lycett's 1st game back in ages.
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 26, 2018, 11:09:17 PM
Personally I though Vardy looked way better out there, but could be due to being Lycett's 1st game back in ages.
I had the game on in the background, I did hear Vardys name alot. But looking through the stats it might have just been the two goals that got him over the line, Lycett had more disposals and tackles.
im certainly looking at him or dawson simpson.
Its basically a Jom Goldy option versus a Lycett/Simpson Jelwood combo.
so its a tough ask as basically that Jom v Lycett/Simpson + a little extra.
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Quote from: jvalles69 on February 26, 2018, 11:09:17 PM
Personally I though Vardy looked way better out there, but could be due to being Lycett's 1st game back in ages.
I had the game on in the background, I did hear Vardys name alot. But looking through the stats it might have just been the two goals that got him over the line, Lycett had more disposals and tackles.
I watched the whole game and was surprised when I saw their stats, Vardy looked like he was everywhere and very athletic, Lycett looked pretty slow and big lumbering around. Could be a good sign though if it's first game back.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-26/eagle-ready-to-launch-after-injuryplagued-2018
"No one really knows what's going to happen with Nic â€" I think he might play in JLT2 â€" but Vards and myself have been smashing each other in training all summer, so we're definitely both putting our hands up for that position," Lycett said
Quote from: Holz on February 27, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
im certainly looking at him or dawson simpson.
Its basically a Jom Goldy option versus a Lycett/Simpson Jelwood combo.
so its a tough ask as basically that Jom v Lycett/Simpson + a little extra.
JOM/Goldy all the way. These cheap rucks could miss games and you will need 2 trades to fix it.
Quote from: Bully on February 27, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 27, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
im certainly looking at him or dawson simpson.
Its basically a Jom Goldy option versus a Lycett/Simpson Jelwood combo.
so its a tough ask as basically that Jom v Lycett/Simpson + a little extra.
JOM/Goldy all the way. These cheap rucks could miss games and you will need 2 trades to fix it.
Yeah it all depends on where u spend the extra $ from going Lycett.
If it's JOM vs Lycett then JOM wins on points easily if fit.
If the cash goes to upgrading Petracca to Billings/Heeney and Ah Chee to Devon Smith (as just one example) then it's more worth it.
Quote from: Holz on February 27, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
im certainly looking at him or dawson simpson.
Its basically a Jom Goldy option versus a Lycett/Simpson Jelwood combo.
so its a tough ask as basically that Jom v Lycett/Simpson + a little extra.
Goldy JOM easily
What are people doing as coverage for their rucks? Is it crazy to pick Lycett as R3? I just dont want to be burning a trade or eating a donut if one of my rucks go down.
Quote from: Colty on March 01, 2018, 10:56:18 AM
What are people doing as coverage for their rucks? Is it crazy to pick Lycett as R3? I just dont want to be burning a trade or eating a donut if one of my rucks go down.
I'm running Sauce and Gawn currently with English on the bench, if either goes down and English isn't getting games will captain loophole them then trade.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-04/naitanui-now-unlikely-as-ruck-crisis-hits-eagles
So anyone keen to take the punt now?
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#neverforget Scott Lycett scoring 2 in Round 21 of 2016
Also scored 8 games 100+, 6 of which were with NN I think. Not bad for 277k.
Quote from: Gigantor on March 04, 2018, 10:20:08 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-04/naitanui-now-unlikely-as-ruck-crisis-hits-eagles
So anyone keen to take the punt now?
Yep!
NN just can't line up Round 1 based off current updates, and Vardy generally doesn't recover quickly from injuries
Witts was an amazing pick last year, and it's looking like we might be fortunate enough to go with that strategy again
I think I might have to bring Lycett in now - hasn't missed a beat all preseason too
No, I am going to go with Kreuzer and Gawn as I think they will finish the top 2 rucks for the year. Therefore if there is no injuries I will set and forget.
I have tried cheap rucks before and it has never gone well for me so this year I will not fall into the trap and have to waste a trade.
8)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 04, 2018, 11:11:11 PM
NN just can't line up Round 1 based off current updates, and Vardy generally doesn't recover quickly from injuries
Witts was an amazing pick last year, and it's looking like we might be fortunate enough to go with that strategy again
I think I might have to bring Lycett in now - hasn't missed a beat all preseason too
Starting to lean that way as well. Plus a ex Port maggie player helps lol
So what happens if NN comes in 3 rounds later? Do they play in tandem? Do you hold Lycett until you can afford an upgrade?
Quote from: Toga on March 04, 2018, 11:24:10 PM
So what happens if NN comes in 3 rounds later? Do they play in tandem? Do you hold Lycett until you can afford an upgrade?
The Lycett selection must be based off Vardy
NN will walk straight in whenever he is deemed fit
Vardy's injury opens the door for Lycett now, so it now becomes Lycett's position to lose. If he plays well enough then Vardy will most likely end up the hard luck story waiting on the outer to get in, which based off last years effort would be harsh, but sometimes someones misfortune is someone else's fortune
We need to wait for further updates on Vardy though, because if it's not as bad and he lines up Round 1 then I wouldn't be picking Lycett as an NN return would make him too risky. Vardy is the key here now
Too risky, both Vardy & Nic Nat wouldn't be too far away. Sticking with Gawnstein.
But you're picking Lycett based on the assumption that he will be WCE's #1 ruck in Round 1 right? As NN is unlikely to be fit and looks like his competition in Vardy is injured.
If so - yeah, he should score well early on while he gets bulk midfield minutes. But if NN comes into the team and Lycett plays more up forward and relieving in the ruck? Surely he doesn't score well enough to warrant consideration
Quote from: Toga on March 04, 2018, 11:35:48 PM
But you're picking Lycett based on the assumption that he will be WCE's #1 ruck in Round 1 right? As NN is unlikely to be fit and looks like his competition in Vardy is injured.
If so - yeah, he should score well early on while he gets bulk midfield minutes. But if NN comes into the team and Lycett plays more up forward and relieving in the ruck? Surely he doesn't score well enough to warrant consideration
At 270k with his scoring history, I'd say it's still reasonable for him to make 100-150k playing 2nd ruck/forward whilst averaging at minimum 75ish. Allows us to view the best rucks for the season.
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
Averaged 79 playing alongside NN in 2016 which includes the paltry score of 2. Priced at 50.4. He's a workhorse and doesn't need many hitouts with above average tackle numbers for a ruck.
As long as Vardy is ruled out for the first month or so of the season then he'll be my R2.
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
His two missed games in 2016 were from suspension, plus he doesn't need to play the whole year, just enough to make some coin
Quote from: Adamant on March 04, 2018, 11:51:09 PM
Averaged 79 playing alongside NN in 2016 which includes the paltry score of 2. Priced at 50.4. He's a workhorse and doesn't need many hitouts with above average tackle numbers for a ruck.
As long as Vardy is ruled out for the first month or so of the season then he'll be my R2.
What was his average with NN in the same side? Excluding the infamous 2 as an anomaly.
Quote from: Gigantor on March 04, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
His two missed games in 2016 were from suspension, plus he doesn't need to play the whole year, just enough to make some coin
7 seasons, 50 games, 1 good year. Plus Nic Nat & Vardy loom large. If he misses an early game it will be tough to get a replacement. Hasn't played for 12 months either, I just see trouble ahead, I'm not sure why people want to do this when they can effectively get the same deal with a premo ruck & a 300k midfielder.
Quote from: fanTCfool on March 04, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: Adamant on March 04, 2018, 11:51:09 PM
Averaged 79 playing alongside NN in 2016 which includes the paltry score of 2. Priced at 50.4. He's a workhorse and doesn't need many hitouts with above average tackle numbers for a ruck.
As long as Vardy is ruled out for the first month or so of the season then he'll be my R2.
What was his average with NN in the same side? Excluding the infamous 2 as an anomaly.
87.3.
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on March 04, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
His two missed games in 2016 were from suspension, plus he doesn't need to play the whole year, just enough to make some coin
7 seasons, 50 games, 1 good year. Plus Nic Nat & Vardy loom large. If he misses an early game it will be tough to get a replacement. Hasn't played for 12 months either, I just see trouble ahead, I'm not sure why people want to do this when they can effectively get the same deal with a premo ruck & a 300k midfielder.
Yeah there is definitely risk involved
There not being a clear cut second ruck after Gawn is also something to consider
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on March 04, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
His two missed games in 2016 were from suspension, plus he doesn't need to play the whole year, just enough to make some coin
7 seasons, 50 games, 1 good year. Plus Nic Nat & Vardy loom large. If he misses an early game it will be tough to get a replacement. Hasn't played for 12 months either, I just see trouble ahead, I'm not sure why people want to do this when they can effectively get the same deal with a premo ruck & a 300k midfielder.
Because JOM and Armitage aren't worth picking either.
Quote from: StuL on March 05, 2018, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on March 04, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
His two missed games in 2016 were from suspension, plus he doesn't need to play the whole year, just enough to make some coin
7 seasons, 50 games, 1 good year. Plus Nic Nat & Vardy loom large. If he misses an early game it will be tough to get a replacement. Hasn't played for 12 months either, I just see trouble ahead, I'm not sure why people want to do this when they can effectively get the same deal with a premo ruck & a 300k midfielder.
Because JOM and Armitage aren't worth picking either.
At least with those two you can use a sideways trade or trade down to the best performed rookie. With Lycett you are stuffed if he gets dropped or misses a game through injury or suspension.
Quote from: Bully on March 05, 2018, 12:32:11 AM
Quote from: StuL on March 05, 2018, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on March 04, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
His two missed games in 2016 were from suspension, plus he doesn't need to play the whole year, just enough to make some coin
7 seasons, 50 games, 1 good year. Plus Nic Nat & Vardy loom large. If he misses an early game it will be tough to get a replacement. Hasn't played for 12 months either, I just see trouble ahead, I'm not sure why people want to do this when they can effectively get the same deal with a premo ruck & a 300k midfielder.
Because JOM and Armitage aren't worth picking either.
At least with those two you can use a sideways trade or trade down to the best performed rookie. With Lycett you are stuffed if he gets dropped or misses a game through injury or suspension.
That's the big concern. I just put him in my side to see how it looks and it looks bloody good on the other lines.
Just a huge risk though if he misses a game. Would really want to be sure he's there until round 10 and then get Ryder in
Quote from: Bully on March 05, 2018, 12:32:11 AM
Quote from: StuL on March 05, 2018, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on March 04, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
The problem with this strategy is there's no obvious remedial trade. Lycett has never played a whole season either, 2 trades to fix. Much better going premo in the ruck & a mid-pricer like Armitage or O'Meara.
His two missed games in 2016 were from suspension, plus he doesn't need to play the whole year, just enough to make some coin
7 seasons, 50 games, 1 good year. Plus Nic Nat & Vardy loom large. If he misses an early game it will be tough to get a replacement. Hasn't played for 12 months either, I just see trouble ahead, I'm not sure why people want to do this when they can effectively get the same deal with a premo ruck & a 300k midfielder.
Because JOM and Armitage aren't worth picking either.
At least with those two you can use a sideways trade or trade down to the best performed rookie. With Lycett you are stuffed if he gets dropped or misses a game through injury or suspension.
Im with Bully here, if you start with a premo ruck, you can swap him for another. If Armitage fails to fire swap for a performing rookie you don’t have. Btw, I think Armitage will do really well this year, as mentioned in the expensive rookies thread, so I see real value here. Don’t think he can get back to his 110 avg year (almost) in 2015, but if he’s averaging 100, $$$ generation plus points. Winning!!
Going with Lycett + Cameron and doing Ryder + Olongo after Port Bye seems the obvious approach. Cameron a handy back up and generates cash in a line a lot have sacrificed for loopholling.
“There was a ping on a flank todayâ€
This bloke is the lock of the year.
too much risk for not enough upside.
could be dropped at any point with no viable straight swap option.
Listening to both sides of the argument there's definitely reason enough to start him.
Think I'll err on the side of caution though and go Gawn + premo & a JOM or someone in the middle but could definitely give those with a big enough pair a jump on the rest of the competition!
It can all change in the last days anyway. After spruiking Lycett in an earlier post he's out, but who's knows? He might still come back! Vardy and NN will be back not too far in to the season, presumably. So for now he's out.
Still think a viable R2 option as there is no clear R2 option whether it will be Ryder, Kruze or Goldy.
Carry him till the bye then rotate to the best option
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Not great injury news at @WestCoastEagles. Kennedy (ankle) 2-3 weeks away, as expected, but Ah Chee (ankle) now 4-5 weeks and Vardy's (adductor) timeframe has blown out to 6-8 weeks. Rioli (ankle) is a test. Mackenzie (toe) indefinite. No mention of Nic Nat thumb.
Takes out any concerns around his JS now
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Not great injury news at @WestCoastEagles. Kennedy (ankle) 2-3 weeks away, as expected, but Ah Chee (ankle) now 4-5 weeks and Vardy's (adductor) timeframe has blown out to 6-8 weeks. Rioli (ankle) is a test. Mackenzie (toe) indefinite. No mention of Nic Nat thumb.
Takes out any concerns around his JS now
Oh come on man I did not need to read this. I was just settled on not picking him this season hahahaha
My mate had him at R3 in his team since he had Ryder. I thought it was too much cash on the bench although with the A.C. injury list the way it is it might have some merit now.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 21, 2018, 12:47:37 AM
My mate had him at R3 in his team since he had Ryder. I thought it was too much cash on the bench although with the A.C. injury list the way it is it might have some merit now.
It is too much cash on the bench haha.
R2 or not at all imo.
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Not great injury news at @WestCoastEagles. Kennedy (ankle) 2-3 weeks away, as expected, but Ah Chee (ankle) now 4-5 weeks and Vardy's (adductor) timeframe has blown out to 6-8 weeks. Rioli (ankle) is a test. Mackenzie (toe) indefinite. No mention of Nic Nat thumb.
Takes out any concerns around his JS now
Oh come on man I did not need to read this. I was just settled on not picking him this season hahahaha
This, was warming to Goldy ::)
Quote from: SilverLion on March 21, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
It is too much cash on the bench haha.
R2 or not at all imo.
The way it worked out was Kreuzer, Cameron and 20k vs Ryder and Lycett. It doesn't look too bad considering you have ruck coverage for an extra 20k instead of starting Kreuz.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 21, 2018, 12:01:07 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on March 21, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
It is too much cash on the bench haha.
R2 or not at all imo.
The way it worked out was Kreuzer, Cameron and 20k vs Ryder and Lycett. It doesn't look too bad considering you have ruck coverage for an extra 20k instead of starting Kreuz.
Am I missing something? (Assuming Gawn is at R2)
Kruezer @ 603k + Cameron @ 123k + 20k banked = 746k
Ryder @ 566k + Lycett @ 277k = 843k
Thats nearly 100k difference
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Quote from: SilverLion on March 21, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
It is too much cash on the bench haha.
R2 or not at all imo.
The way it worked out was Kreuzer, Cameron and 20k vs Ryder and Lycett. It doesn't look too bad considering you have ruck coverage for an extra 20k instead of starting Kreuz.
Am I missing something? (Assuming Gawn is at R2)
Kruezer @ 603k + Cameron @ 123k + 20k banked = 746k
Ryder @ 566k + Lycett @ 277k = 843k
Thats nearly 100k difference
Yeah you're missing that Cameron wont play.
Gawn + Kreuz + Cameron = 1226k
Gawn + Nank + Lycett = 1268k
If you're considering Nank/Sandi could be an option. Ruck cover is gold.
If Lycett can go 80 he can make 150k before the byes if Vardy is out till then.
Quote from: ubeaut on March 21, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Gawn + Kreuz + Cameron = 1226k
Gawn + Nank + Lycett = 1268k
If you're considering Nank/Sandi could be an option. Ruck cover is gold.
If Lycett can go 80 he can make 150k before the byes if Vardy is out till then.
Could be handy backup/insurance if starting NicNat
Not touching Lycett with a ten-foot chopstick
Gawn + Kreuz + Cameron = 1226k
Gawn + Nank + Lycett = 1268k
Gawn + Nank + Olango = 1094k
Option 3 you have 174k to upgrade elsewhere.
you will probably outscore option 1 with the same level of cover. You will certainly outscore option 2.
Alot of people are rolling with guys like Cripps or Conigs you can basically start Titchell Danger over them and have cash in the bank for other stuff if you go with a option 3 set up.
Lycett R2 or not at all. You dont have 270k sitting on the bench
Quote from: Gavdroid on March 21, 2018, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on March 21, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Gawn + Kreuz + Cameron = 1226k
Gawn + Nank + Lycett = 1268k
If you're considering Nank/Sandi could be an option. Ruck cover is gold.
If Lycett can go 80 he can make 150k before the byes if Vardy is out till then.
Could be handy backup/insurance if starting NicNat
Thought about this too.
If NN plays all good. He'll start slow but his main benefactor is making money on the bench for you.
If he gets injured short term or rested on comes Lycett as their no.1 ruck scores more and makes more money.
If both get injured who plays? Olango?
Who else is there? NN to top performing ruck Lycett to whoever comes in.
Quote from: Gavdroid on March 21, 2018, 12:09:33 PM
Am I missing something? (Assuming Gawn is at R2)
Kruezer @ 603k + Cameron @ 123k + 20k banked = 746k
Ryder @ 566k + Lycett @ 277k = 843k
Thats nearly 100k difference
Yeah, probably my poor maths skills yesterday and didn't look at the 1 in front of the 20. It might have worked out to 20k if you swapped in Nic Nat.
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Quote from: Gavdroid on March 21, 2018, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on March 21, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Gawn + Kreuz + Cameron = 1226k
Gawn + Nank + Lycett = 1268k
If you're considering Nank/Sandi could be an option. Ruck cover is gold.
If Lycett can go 80 he can make 150k before the byes if Vardy is out till then.
Could be handy backup/insurance if starting NicNat
Thought about this too.
If NN plays all good. He'll start slow but his main benefactor is making money on the bench for you.
If he gets injured short term or rested on comes Lycett as their no.1 ruck scores more and makes more money.
If both get injured who plays? Olango?
Who else is there? NN to top performing ruck Lycett to whoever comes in.
For me it comes down to Armitage/Goldy/Olango vs Brodie/NicNat/Lycett
May be something worth considering. D8/F8 as floating donut with Sicily the swing man