Heath Shaw come on down, i have had him in most drafts since very early on.
1. Love a POD who burnt enough people (including myself) last year to fly under the radar.
2. Was noted by many that he had a role change last season and that impacted more than age/form
GWS were transitioning to the younger attacking defenders.
3. Isn't that old (people are considering Simpson) and has a good premo history at the Giants.
4. Statistics show that many true premos who fall by more than 8 points in a year usually bounce back
the following year but not all the way back, was expecting mid to high 90's from him before Zac went down.
Not sure on the stats but he seemed to take far less kick ins last year. With Wilson gone and Williams likely gone for the year it leaves Shaw to do most of the kick in work where he racks points up from playing on to himself. I would expect 95 from him which is very solid
Don't forget towards the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 teams were placing a forward tag on Heater. Be wary because teams may be more inclined to do this on the most dangerous defender in the gws backline now
could he go 100+ this season now???
insert Issac Cumming.
There will no doubt be some GWS defender value to be had in 2018, just need to see where it comes from.
Just noticed he shares the bye with Hibberd, Hurley and Howe so will have have to be careful which combination of defenders to start with
Quote from: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Just noticed he shares the bye with Hibberd, Hurley and Howe so will have have to be careful which combination of defenders to start with
R14 is light on for top defs surprisingly, Laird and maybe Roberton.
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Quote from: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Just noticed he shares the bye with Hibberd, Hurley and Howe so will have have to be careful which combination of defenders to start with
R14 is light on for top defs surprisingly, Laird and maybe Roberton.
Lloyd, Rance and Touhy also but unlikely to go with any of those. Not to start with anyway
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Just noticed he shares the bye with Hibberd, Hurley and Howe so will have have to be careful which combination of defenders to start with
R14 is light on for top defs surprisingly, Laird and maybe Roberton.
Lloyd, Rance and Touhy also but unlikely to go with any of those. Not to start with anyway
Your thoughts on Ellis? Super durable, great bye, down 2016 otherwise other years have been 97, 100 and 91.
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Just noticed he shares the bye with Hibberd, Hurley and Howe so will have have to be careful which combination of defenders to start with
R14 is light on for top defs surprisingly, Laird and maybe Roberton.
Lloyd, Rance and Touhy also but unlikely to go with any of those. Not to start with anyway
Your thoughts on Ellis? Super durable, great bye, down 2016 otherwise other years have been 97, 100 and 91.
Forgot about Ellis! Apparently having a great pre season too and took out the time trial. Could be in for a big year. Houli another that's always solid
After last year? How is this even a thread.
Quote from: SilverLion on January 19, 2018, 10:52:15 PM
After last year? How is this even a thread.
Have you not heard the news about Williams?
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Quote from: SilverLion on January 19, 2018, 10:52:15 PM
After last year? How is this even a thread.
Have you not heard the news about Williams?
Thought the same SL but when I read Quinny’s response that Williams was likely gone for the season and was like WTF I understood the emergence of the thread.
Even so, after last year I won’t be starting Heater. It’s Hibberd for me with that bye and I will watch Heater with interest over the beginning of the season and might bring him in post byes if he is doing enough to warrant it.
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Quote from: SilverLion on January 19, 2018, 10:52:15 PM
After last year? How is this even a thread.
Have you not heard the news about Williams?
Thought the same SL but when I read Quinny’s response that Williams was likely gone for the season and was like WTF I understood the emergence of the thread.
Even so, after last year I won’t be starting Heater. It’s Hibberd for me with that bye and I will watch Heater with interest over the beginning of the season and might bring him in post byes if he is doing enough to warrant it.
+1
Downgrading Yeo to Heater is looking very tempting
100k is a massive difference, and with no Wilson and Williams Heater could bounce back
He burnt me last year too, but at least he didn't miss games and has a proven record
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 24, 2018, 06:14:38 PM
Downgrading Yeo to Heater is looking very tempting
100k is a massive difference, and with no Wilson and Williams Heater could bounce back
He burnt me last year too, but at least he didn't miss games and has a proven record
Yep he has certainly come back into calculations with Williams out
I'm not sure that Williams getting injured actually helps Heater that much. No Wilson, no Williams, would he not attract the tag we've seen slaughter his fantasy numbers previously?
Quote from: fanTCfool on January 24, 2018, 11:33:16 PM
I'm not sure that Williams getting injured actually helps Heater that much. No Wilson, no Williams, would he not attract the tag we've seen slaughter his fantasy numbers previously?
He could. I did think of him as soon as Williams went down though. He'll probably still mentor the young guys, but might pick up some slack. At 50k less I'd probably have a crack...
Only went above 100 a couple of times for the entirety of last year. Regardless if Williams is there or not, he is past his best and just isn't SC relevant anymore.
Quote from: SilverLion on January 25, 2018, 10:26:31 AM
Only went above 100 a couple of times for the entirety of last year. Regardless if Williams is there or not, he is past his best and just isn't SC relevant anymore.
The development of Wilson & Williams was partially due to teams starting to put hard tags on Shaw, with both of these taken out Shaw is the only player in defence that could get the tag. Big worry for me and ill steer clear, possible upgrade if he looks like he is back to his best.
I had him in early due to Wilson leaving. Williams gone now too only puts more of an emphasis on getting him to ball imo. They'll want it in his hands
Has certainly become more and more tempting with each passing day since the ZWilliams news. I reckon he's a good chance to find his way into my side come Round 1.
Think his best days are behind him now. He will still have the odd great scoring game but he just doesn't have that consistency anymore. For 20k more i'd be picking J.Lloyd or Witherden
Definitely increased my interest with Williams going down, and would save me some cash...but flower he hurt me last year ahaha
Going cold on Shaw, had him in for ages but I'm now hearing whispers that Deledio & Griffen will be playing the rebounders role whilst Cumming gets up to scratch.
Can't decide on Heater. He would have to score 10ppg more than last year which is totally possible.
Just think he's past it in yerms of consistency. Wish he was 400k then I'd probably do it.
Griffen or Lids at HB makes sense to me if I was the coach, so if that happens I can see another 80 odd annoying score line.
Heater's been on my radar for quite some time but I just can't see him pumping out much more 100+ scores anymore
I've never been burnt by this bloke, in fact the only season I ever picked him was in 2015 when he played 22 @ 112, so it's fair to say I love him.
He's got the easiest role in the AFL. Just sits at full-back and demands the backwards kick to set up the switch, and his teammates give it to him almost every time. Wouldn't surprise me if he exceeded triple figures again.
90 odd will put him in the top 10 DEF.... I take that thanks. He's still durable as hell.
Fact - the last time Heater had a season where he averaged under 90 he immediately improved his average 28.6 points for the next year!
Heater has always shown an ability to rebound after a poor season, as he did in 2011 (90.2 average, his lowest since his rookie season in 05, to a 100.8 average) and 2015 (91.8 average, his lowest since 2010, to a 112 average). Age is the biggest risk factor but I'm confident he has a few more years of good scoring left in him, as frenzy mentioned he's been very durable as of late (hasn't missed a game since mid-2014) and is priced at a lower-end premium when he definitely has potential to be top 6 if not the #1 backman in the (SC) game.
Did not have him last year so did not pay much attention to him did he have the majority of kick in duties ? if not with GWS being a couple less in the backline this year all that would be needed is for him to get that job back for him to push back towards that 100 avg.?
Quote from: Jukes on February 12, 2018, 12:48:05 AM
Fact - the last time Heater had a season where he averaged under 90 he immediately improved his average 28.6 points for the next year!
Heater has always shown an ability to rebound after a poor season, as he did in 2011 (90.2 average, his lowest since his rookie season in 05, to a 100.8 average) and 2015 (91.8 average, his lowest since 2010, to a 112 average). Age is the biggest risk factor but I'm confident he has a few more years of good scoring left in him, as frenzy mentioned he's been very durable as of late (hasn't missed a game since mid-2014) and is priced at a lower-end premium when he definitely has potential to be top 6 if not the #1 backman in the (SC) game.
As you point out, age is the worry here. He was in his prime when he bounced back before. Aside from Williams and Wilson he just looked slower, like the pace of the game is getting too much.
It's not so much that he burnt me last year (I started him), as he's scored well before in my team several times.
It's the age factor.
Quote from: Bully on February 11, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
Going cold on Shaw, had him in for ages but I'm now hearing whispers that Deledio & Griffen will be playing the rebounders role whilst Cumming gets up to scratch.
Got a link for this mate? Or is it literally whispers you've heard from actual people haha
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Quote from: Bully on February 11, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
Going cold on Shaw, had him in for ages but I'm now hearing whispers that Deledio & Griffen will be playing the rebounders role whilst Cumming gets up to scratch.
Got a link for this mate? Or is it literally whispers you've heard from actual people haha
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/zac-williams-injury-how-horror-blow-paves-the-way-for-giants-youngster-isaac-cumming/news-story/5b9093eb8098f6fdba51ac286bded626
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Quote from: elephants on February 12, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 11, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
Going cold on Shaw, had him in for ages but I'm now hearing whispers that Deledio & Griffen will be playing the rebounders role whilst Cumming gets up to scratch.
Got a link for this mate? Or is it literally whispers you've heard from actual people haha
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/zac-williams-injury-how-horror-blow-paves-the-way-for-giants-youngster-isaac-cumming/news-story/5b9093eb8098f6fdba51ac286bded626
Legend, cheers mate!
Thinking about starting Shaw again.. someone slap me
He's my D4 atm :o
Currently my D3 :P
Quote from: dmac07 on February 13, 2018, 01:26:04 PM
Thinking about starting Shaw again.. someone slap me
Yeah was thinking the same but honestly he is getting on age wise to many good cheap players no thanks
I think hes prob worth the risk
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-s-heath-shaw-kept-fresh-to-help-rebound-20180213-p4z064.html
Quote from: Hippo on February 13, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
I think hes prob worth the risk
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-s-heath-shaw-kept-fresh-to-help-rebound-20180213-p4z064.html
Here's another article that mentions Griffen in the rebounding role.
Quote from: Bully on February 13, 2018, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: Hippo on February 13, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
I think hes prob worth the risk
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-s-heath-shaw-kept-fresh-to-help-rebound-20180213-p4z064.html
Here's another article that mentions Griffen in the rebounding role.
Heater will get 50+ points a week just kicking it to himself after a behind was scored
I've got both Heater and Griff in my side currently, and as long as they look alright in JLT I can't see them moving
Yeah I'm back on the Heater train. At worst he continues averaging 80s and I'll look move him when I can but I think there's more upside than risk.
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Quote from: Hippo on February 13, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
I think hes prob worth the risk
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-s-heath-shaw-kept-fresh-to-help-rebound-20180213-p4z064.html
Here's another article that mentions Griffen in the rebounding role.
Heater will get 50+ points a week just kicking it to himself after a behind was scored
I've got both Heater and Griff in my side currently, and as long as they look alright in JLT I can't see them moving
Would love to go Hibberd to Heater to free up 100k, I'm just nervous about the competition. Griffen & Deledio can still take kick outs, Deledio pretty much done & dusted as a forward.
Quote from: Bully on February 13, 2018, 06:46:19 PM
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Quote from: Bully on February 13, 2018, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: Hippo on February 13, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
I think hes prob worth the risk
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-s-heath-shaw-kept-fresh-to-help-rebound-20180213-p4z064.html
Here's another article that mentions Griffen in the rebounding role.
Heater will get 50+ points a week just kicking it to himself after a behind was scored
I've got both Heater and Griff in my side currently, and as long as they look alright in JLT I can't see them moving
Would love to go Hibberd to Heater to free up 100k, I'm just nervous about the competition. Griffen & Deledio can still take kick outs, Deledio pretty much done & dusted as a forward.
There's still a over a month before round 1. Lids and Griff should do a long term injury by then lol
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 13, 2018, 06:41:08 PM
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Quote from: Hippo on February 13, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
I think hes prob worth the risk
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/greater-western-sydney-s-heath-shaw-kept-fresh-to-help-rebound-20180213-p4z064.html
Here's another article that mentions Griffen in the rebounding role.
Heater will get 50+ points a week just kicking it to himself after a behind was scored
I've got both Heater and Griff in my side currently, and as long as they look alright in JLT I can't see them moving
How can we be certain he will take the kick ins tho? Could be Griff or Lids or shared between two or three of them or/and a younger player with view to the future?
It wasn't just Williams and Wilson that affected his scores, he looked slow and had an off year. I watched him a fair bit as I unfortunately started him and he blasted other players for stuffing up while doing sweet FA himself many times.
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He's my D4 atm :o
I'm considering him as my D2!! :o
D2?!? Who are you running with after that RD?
Hah! ;D
Laird, Shaw, Hanley, then a few 160k rookies ;D
Obviously nothing is locked in until we see rookies and teams but going cheap down back (which I tend to do every year) does put all other lines in very good shape
Won't start him, if he proves me wrong and looks like averaging 100+ I'll pay the bit extra and bring him in mid year.
Quote from: SilverLion on February 13, 2018, 11:33:54 PM
Won't start him, if he proves me wrong and looks like averaging 100+ I'll pay the bit extra and bring him in mid year.
Probably the smart choice. I just don't see anyone else that stands out or is any safer after Hurley, Laird and Hibberd
Quote from: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 02:16:01 AM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 13, 2018, 11:33:54 PM
Won't start him, if he proves me wrong and looks like averaging 100+ I'll pay the bit extra and bring him in mid year.
Probably the smart choice. I just don't see anyone else that stands out or is any safer after Hurley, Laird and Hibberd
Simpson maybe? Hasn't gone under a 90 average in the last decade or so. No docherty so could get more cheap posses down back, great bye too.
D3 for me, but I'm not counting him as a keeper. Will hopefully perform until his bye and traded then.
Quote from: rebird on February 14, 2018, 10:01:10 AM
D3 for me, but I'm not counting him as a keeper. Will hopefully perform until his bye and traded then.
:o
Will all depends on rookies, but currently sitting as my D5
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 14, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Will all depends on rookies, but currently sitting as my D5
Surely that's a tad too much money for the backline? D4 at the most for mine but as you say depends on rookies. Surely Carlton give us a Byrne/O'Shea/O'Brien for D4/5
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 14, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Will all depends on rookies, but currently sitting as my D5
D5? So Cripps/Conigs at M3/4 then? :P
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Quote from: LordSneeze on February 14, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Will all depends on rookies, but currently sitting as my D5
D5? So Cripps/Conigs at M3/4 then? :P
Prem<450k , MP 450k-250k , Rookie >250k
D - 4-1-1
M - 5-0-3
R - 2-0-0
F - 1-3-2
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Quote from: LordSneeze on February 14, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Will all depends on rookies, but currently sitting as my D5
D5? So Cripps/Conigs at M3/4 then? :P
Prem<450k , MP 450k-250k , Rookie >250k
D - 4-1-1
M - 5-0-3
R - 2-0-0
F - 1-3-2
How is Shaw at D5 when he is a prem and you're saying you only have 4 def prems?
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Quote from: LordSneeze on February 14, 2018, 10:24:02 AM
Will all depends on rookies, but currently sitting as my D5
D5? So Cripps/Conigs at M3/4 then? :P
Prem<450k , MP 450k-250k , Rookie >250k
D - 4-1-1
M - 5-0-3
R - 2-0-0
F - 1-3-2
How is Shaw at D5 when he is a prem and you're saying you only have 4 def prems?
Whoops had him written down as 448k, not 458k
Its 5-0-1
Im back on him, he absolutely cooked me last year but I reckon with Williams going down and the loss of Wilson he should be used off half back like the good old days. He only has to life his average by 6-7 to be a keeper.
Had him in and out of team but out now 33 this year and worried he will be used in the small defender role again , you think this could be his last year and maybe used in a mentor role with the young guys coming through to much doubt for me to pick him
Leon Cameron said he will be played on the wing and has trained there all pre season. Not sure what that means for his scoring but another solid JLT and he will be in my team
Quote from: quinny88 on March 05, 2018, 11:45:56 PM
Leon Cameron said he will be played on the wing and has trained there all pre season. Not sure what that means for his scoring but another solid JLT and he will be in my team
Open space, long kicks and cheap touches. Sounds like a Heater paradise!
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Quote from: quinny88 on March 05, 2018, 11:45:56 PM
Leon Cameron said he will be played on the wing and has trained there all pre season. Not sure what that means for his scoring but another solid JLT and he will be in my team
Open space, long kicks and cheap touches. Sounds like a Heater paradise!
That's what I'm hoping!
Wow wing they reckon, so from last seasons back 6 they have lost Williams, Wilson and Heater.
To me that says points galore is on the cards for someone.... but who?
Finlayson, Cumming or Whitfield/someone else spending time back there?
Perryman
Heef to the wing is rubbish
The wing concerns me a bit, Heater used to score countless points from the dinky kick to himself and then to a teammate, reckon he'll struggle to hit 90.
Lets see how he goes against the Swans the Pies were rubbish
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 12:35:08 PM
The wing concerns me a bit, Heater used to score countless points from the dinky kick to himself and then to a teammate, reckon he'll struggle to hit 90.
Could still take a lot of kick ins playing on the wing though
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 12:05:15 PM
Wow wing they reckon, so from last seasons back 6 they have lost Williams, Wilson and Heater.
To me that says points galore is on the cards for someone.... but who?
Finlayson, Cumming or Whitfield/someone else spending time back there?
Yep was an interview at half time of their JLT game that Leon Cameron was asked if Shaw had a lot of pressure on him down back now that Wilson and Williams aren't there and he said that surprisingly they aren't relying on him to play that roll and have other options and that Heath had done all of his pre season on the wing.
Someone will certainly be in for a big year. Could be Griffen or maybe Whitfield but hopefully some of of the cheapies get a good go at it
Quote from: quinny88 on March 06, 2018, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 12:05:15 PM
Wow wing they reckon, so from last seasons back 6 they have lost Williams, Wilson and Heater.
To me that says points galore is on the cards for someone.... but who?
Finlayson, Cumming or Whitfield/someone else spending time back there?
Yep was an interview at half time of their JLT game that Leon Cameron was asked if Shaw had a lot of pressure on him down back now that Wilson and Williams aren't there and he said that surprisingly they aren't relying on him to play that roll and have other options and that Heath had done all of his pre season on the wing.
Someone will certainly be in for a big year. Could be Griffen or maybe Whitfield but hopefully some of of the cheapies get a good go at it
If it's Finlayson then he could well be rookie of the year.
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Quote from: quinny88 on March 06, 2018, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 12:05:15 PM
Wow wing they reckon, so from last seasons back 6 they have lost Williams, Wilson and Heater.
To me that says points galore is on the cards for someone.... but who?
Finlayson, Cumming or Whitfield/someone else spending time back there?
Yep was an interview at half time of their JLT game that Leon Cameron was asked if Shaw had a lot of pressure on him down back now that Wilson and Williams aren't there and he said that surprisingly they aren't relying on him to play that roll and have other options and that Heath had done all of his pre season on the wing.
Someone will certainly be in for a big year. Could be Griffen or maybe Whitfield but hopefully some of of the cheapies get a good go at it
If it's Finlayson then he could well be rookie of the year.
Hope so! Really liked the look of him in JLT 1