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Title: D4
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 10:34:15 AM
What are we going to do here?

Birchall seemed the obvious option for most coaches as he has the runs on the board and looked like he was set for a full preseason. Now we have found out that he won't be running for the next couple of weeks. He now 'faces a race to be ready for round one' and that is enough for me to put a line through him for now anyways.

Going a 5 rookie backline would now be the ideal option but again at this stage I am not ready to lock that in as I don't see that many viable options down back. There is a real chance that only 1 or 2 of the top crop of draft picks start round 1 with none of Coffield, Naughton, O'shea, O'brien, Brander, Ling and Richards certainties. Doedee, Goddard, Morgan, Keefe and Murray are all a chance as well but do we see 5 being a genuine option? I don't think so.

Then we could go for a premium in that 450-500k range that we are thinking could take it too the next level but does anyone really want too spend that much money on there backline? I don't think so.

looks like a speculative pick of Brayshaw, McGrath, Mills, Wilson etc. might be the way to go for my team but I would like to hear everyone elses thoughts.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: shaker on January 12, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
Hibberd from norf would be in with a chance Corey Ellis maybe a dearer option same with Francis but it's wait and see
Title: Re: D4
Post by: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
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Title: Re: D4
Post by: LordSneeze on January 12, 2018, 10:57:40 AM
My original structure was always to run a 3/0/5 setup in defence. This is dependant on there being enough rookies that will play, If not then you need to adjust your team by downgrading on a stronger rookie line to upgrade D4.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: LordSneeze on January 12, 2018, 10:57:40 AM
My original structure was always to run a 3/0/5 setup in defence. This is dependant on there being enough rookies that will play, If not then you need to adjust your team by downgrading on a stronger rookie line to upgrade D4.
Same thinking. Don’t want to spend too much on defence.
Depends on rookies available. So the question will remain as to who will fill D4 and won’t know the answer till R1 is about to start.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: shaker on January 12, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
Hibberd from norf would be in with a chance Corey Ellis maybe a dearer option same with Francis but it's wait and see
Will have a look at all of those guys now. thanks.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: LordSneeze on January 12, 2018, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: LordSneeze on January 12, 2018, 10:57:40 AM
My original structure was always to run a 3/0/5 setup in defence. This is dependant on there being enough rookies that will play, If not then you need to adjust your team by downgrading on a stronger rookie line to upgrade D4.
Same thinking. Don’t want to spend too much on defence.
Depends on rookies available. So the question will remain as to who will fill D4 and won’t know the answer till R1 is about to start.

I looked at the rookie points in Def vs Mid vs Fwd and while you get more points from a Mid Rookie overall, the variance in points from Def prem to Def Rookie is smaller.
If you get unlucky and have a few low scoring mid rookies like last year and the def rookies were scoring more consistently. Could go the other way and see mid rookies as better this year. No one yet knows.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 12, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
 ::)

ATM D.4  is C Byrne of Carlton. Waiting to see how O'Meara, Lobb and CHristensen go as one of them could become a rookie and D.4  could go Laird or Williams with a little juggling. Very hard atm without knowing IF there'll be a line that is well endowed with rookies. Life would become very interesting indeed if this was the year where very few rookies got up to start Rd.1    Cheers.

;)
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
Could this be Jackson Thurlow's year to break out???

2015 averaged 70 from 19 games
2016 didn't play
2017 averaged 55 from 10 games

Could he not only get back to his 2017 form but improve and push a 75 average?

Would that even be enough to consider starting him?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 12, 2018, 11:43:08 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
Could this be Jackson Thurlow's year to break out???

2015 averaged 70 from 19 games
2016 didn't play
2017 averaged 55 from 10 games

Could he not only get back to his 2017 form but improve and push a 75 average?

Would that even be enough to consider starting him?

Or around the same price bracket + $18,200    Angus Brayshaw.    What could, would, he average IF injury free ??
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Nige on January 12, 2018, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: LordSneeze on January 12, 2018, 10:57:40 AM
My original structure was always to run a 3/0/5 setup in defence. This is dependant on there being enough rookies that will play, If not then you need to adjust your team by downgrading on a stronger rookie line to upgrade D4.
Same thinking. Don’t want to spend too much on defence.
Depends on rookies available. So the question will remain as to who will fill D4 and won’t know the answer till R1 is about to start.
Hit the nail on the head here fellas. It's all guess work here until Round 1 comes around. 3/0/5 is ideal and what I want to roll with, but whether we have that luxury is a complete unknown for another 2 months.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on January 12, 2018, 01:14:05 PM
Seedsman at 300k is tempting. Will get loads of opportunity across half back and wing with Brodie Smith out for the year
Title: Re: D4
Post by: shaker on January 12, 2018, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: shaker on January 12, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
Hibberd from norf would be in with a chance Corey Ellis maybe a dearer option same with Francis but it's wait and see
Quote from: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
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Guess that was aimed at my post ha ha I could have been clearer MS was keen to have a 5 rookie set up they were just 3 players that could get a gig actually I'm optimistic there could be enough Norf has had a massive clean out there is bound to be some new faces there but of course you don't want 5 rookies if they are all scoring crap so it's a wait and see  ;)
Title: Re: D4
Post by: shaker on January 12, 2018, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on January 12, 2018, 01:14:05 PM
Seedsman at 300k is tempting. Will get loads of opportunity across half back and wing with Brodie Smith out for the year
Thought the same a couple of years ago at a slightly higher price about 320K and he was terribly frustrating has a great 1st or 2nd 1/4 then just disappears totally and it happened quite a lot and that was off the wing so am a bit wary of him
Title: Re: D4
Post by: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 01:31:41 PM
Quote from: shaker on January 12, 2018, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: shaker on January 12, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
Hibberd from norf would be in with a chance Corey Ellis maybe a dearer option same with Francis but it's wait and see
Quote from: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
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Guess that was aimed at my post ha ha I could have been clearer MS was keen to have a 5 rookie set up they were just 3 players that could get a gig actually I'm optimistic there could be enough Norf has had a massive clean out there is bound to be some new faces there but of course you don't want 5 rookies if they are all scoring crap so it's a wait and see  ;)
Nah mate, it’s the question still.
I meant Who do play D4?
I don’t know.... yet.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 01:47:02 PM
Brayshaw, Seedsman and Thurlow (in that order) are the 3 players in the 250-350k range that I think can go 80+

Brayshaw was the number 3 draft pick in 2014 and is a big bodied, inside midfielder. He has had injury issues however, I don't think he is injury prone. If he plays in the midfield (I think he will) in an improving Melbourne side I think he is a real chance of pushing the 100 mark, Oliver did it last season so why can't Brayshaw do it this season? He scored 91, 83 and 57 (86 in Fantasy) last season which shows he can score. From the 2013 Draft Billings and Kelly broke out so I can't see why Brayshaw won't break out this year.

Seedsman: It is now or never this year for Seedsman, with Lever leaving and Smith out there is a vacancy in the backline that needs taking. He has averaged 79 in the past and you would think natural improvement would only improve that. He can easily go around that 80-85 this season if some things go his way but I don't think he has it in him to become a keeper like Brayshaw does.

Thurlow: He was in plenty of sides through last years pre season as he was expected to breakout after his year off through injury. He has gotten some more games in his body and he could easily breakout this season in my opinion but it depends what role his plays with the cats. I feel as though Tuohy may have taken the role they were breeding him for. Would love if I could have some insight.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Grufflez on January 12, 2018, 03:55:01 PM
I'll have a 400k type breakout at D4.

And maybe the Heater at D3!
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Peter on January 12, 2018, 06:51:09 PM
Pearce, Thurlow, Seedsman, Nelson, Bonner etc
Title: Re: D4
Post by: SilverLion on January 13, 2018, 11:18:56 AM
Birchall, Brayshaw, Seedsman or a rookie depending on structure.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Ringo on January 13, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
Interesting discussion here

Couple of thoughts:
Need to weigh up where most points will come from
eg Using a prem 6 mids + rookie for D4 so using my current M6 in Beams 110 + say 55 for rookie = 165.
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Say Birchall/ Thurlow and Seedsman/JOM  85 + 85 170. need to factor in will one of these be a keeper though saving a trade.

A lot will depend on 2 things the structure you are comfortable with and playing rookies from Rd 1.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Peter on January 13, 2018, 03:50:02 PM
Yes, defence rookies is the issue - GWS have Finlayson, Keefe & Cumming, North have Morgan, Freo have Pearce, Pies have Murray, Crows have Doedee. If none of these play, then you have to step up to the guys you mention and drop a mid gun or forward mid-ranger. Decisions, decisions
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 06, 2018, 12:20:13 PM
Currently have Pigeon at D4.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: shaker on February 06, 2018, 12:41:17 PM
At this stage I have a rookie at D4 and as my team sits and cash in bank will have about 335K to spend if I am a rookie short so it's just wait and see.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: SilverLion on February 06, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
Brayshaw currently.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2018, 01:22:36 PM
Brayshaw also.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Huttabito on February 06, 2018, 02:08:09 PM
Hoping at this stage to get away with O'Shae, but not confident. If need be, I will roll with 4 premium defenders and drop to 5 premium mids instead - not a huge fan of the mid price defenders and would rather take the risk in the forward line .
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Nige on February 06, 2018, 03:37:51 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 06, 2018, 12:20:13 PM
Currently have Pigeon at D4.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 06, 2018, 07:51:35 PM
This and R2 are giving me headaches. Need the pre season games to hurry up
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ubeaut on February 06, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Hoping O'Shea or Byrne get the gig at Carlton. McGrath an option just wish he was 50 k cheaper. As good as he is something tells me 80-85 will be his output and will stall in price not quite enough to be a keeper.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Ringo on February 06, 2018, 07:54:40 PM
Currently have Hanley at D4 but that may change if 5 defensive rookies start Rd 1.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on February 06, 2018, 08:02:58 PM
Quote from: Ringo on February 06, 2018, 07:54:40 PM
Currently have Hanley at D4 but that may change if 5 defensive rookies start Rd 1.

Don't hold your breath, worst year ever for defensive rookies. There will surely be 3-4 but none look like decent scorers, will be like fielding Nathan Brown all over again.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: djbics on February 06, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
Got JJ atm, but as has been mentioned above will adjust as rookies become more apparent.  Would rather have the expensive option now and downgrade to a rookie when/if becomes available than trying to do it the other way
Title: Re: D4
Post by: tommy10 on February 07, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
Quote from: Ringo on February 06, 2018, 07:54:40 PM
Currently have Hanley at D4 but that may change if 5 defensive rookies start Rd 1.
+1
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Ricochet on February 07, 2018, 11:38:24 AM
Heater at D4 atm, then 2 rooks
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 06, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Hoping O'Shea or Byrne get the gig at Carlton. McGrath an option just wish he was 50 k cheaper. As good as he is something tells me 80-85 will be his output and will stall in price not quite enough to be a keeper.
Think Byrne is a better chance of getting early games than O'shea as Carlton love him but he will average 65ish and I would prefer to get a rookie or someone like a Brayshaw/McGrath type who could really take it too the next level. Although I do agree that McGrath, although improving, will probably score 80-85 which probably won't be enough.

O'shea, Plowman, Marchbank, Jones and Weitering will be the tallest backline ever haha. Can't said any of the four moving out for O'shea either.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 06, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Hoping O'Shea or Byrne get the gig at Carlton. McGrath an option just wish he was 50 k cheaper. As good as he is something tells me 80-85 will be his output and will stall in price not quite enough to be a keeper.
Think Byrne is a better chance of getting early games than O'shea as Carlton love him but he will average 65ish and I would prefer to get a rookie or someone like a Brayshaw/McGrath type who could really take it too the next level. Although I do agree that McGrath, although improving, will probably score 80-85 which probably won't be enough.

O'shea, Plowman, Marchbank, Jones and Weitering will be the tallest backline ever haha. Can't said any of the four moving out for O'shea either.

Why would they pick up a mature aged O'shea that was playing in Carltons vfl just have him play in the vfl again though?
Would have thought they had a specific role for him to fill or why bother?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Nige on February 07, 2018, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 06, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Hoping O'Shea or Byrne get the gig at Carlton. McGrath an option just wish he was 50 k cheaper. As good as he is something tells me 80-85 will be his output and will stall in price not quite enough to be a keeper.
Think Byrne is a better chance of getting early games than O'shea as Carlton love him but he will average 65ish and I would prefer to get a rookie or someone like a Brayshaw/McGrath type who could really take it too the next level. Although I do agree that McGrath, although improving, will probably score 80-85 which probably won't be enough.

O'shea, Plowman, Marchbank, Jones and Weitering will be the tallest backline ever haha. Can't said any of the four moving out for O'shea either.

Why would they pick up a mature aged O'shea that was playing in Carltons vfl just have him play in the vfl again though?
Would have thought they had a specific role for him to fill or why bother?
Yeah exactly. The only thing I can think of is as insurance. But considering they have the depth already, they must have actually picked him up with the intention of playing him.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Adamant on February 07, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 06, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Hoping O'Shea or Byrne get the gig at Carlton. McGrath an option just wish he was 50 k cheaper. As good as he is something tells me 80-85 will be his output and will stall in price not quite enough to be a keeper.
Think Byrne is a better chance of getting early games than O'shea as Carlton love him but he will average 65ish and I would prefer to get a rookie or someone like a Brayshaw/McGrath type who could really take it too the next level. Although I do agree that McGrath, although improving, will probably score 80-85 which probably won't be enough.

O'shea, Plowman, Marchbank, Jones and Weitering will be the tallest backline ever haha. Can't said any of the four moving out for O'shea either.

Why would they pick up a mature aged O'shea that was playing in Carltons vfl just have him play in the vfl again though?
Would have thought they had a specific role for him to fill or why bother?

The same reason they picked up Alex Silvagni the year before - depth. It makes perfect sense with how young and inexperienced Carlton's back six is.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 06:48:50 PM
Quote from: Adamant on February 07, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 06, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Hoping O'Shea or Byrne get the gig at Carlton. McGrath an option just wish he was 50 k cheaper. As good as he is something tells me 80-85 will be his output and will stall in price not quite enough to be a keeper.
Think Byrne is a better chance of getting early games than O'shea as Carlton love him but he will average 65ish and I would prefer to get a rookie or someone like a Brayshaw/McGrath type who could really take it too the next level. Although I do agree that McGrath, although improving, will probably score 80-85 which probably won't be enough.

O'shea, Plowman, Marchbank, Jones and Weitering will be the tallest backline ever haha. Can't said any of the four moving out for O'shea either.

Why would they pick up a mature aged O'shea that was playing in Carltons vfl just have him play in the vfl again though?
Would have thought they had a specific role for him to fill or why bother?

The same reason they picked up Alex Silvagni the year before - depth. It makes perfect sense with how young and inexperienced Carlton's back six is.

Silvagni wasn't a vfl player though already playing in their vfl team
Title: Re: D4
Post by: js19 on February 07, 2018, 06:49:47 PM
Quote from: Adamant on February 07, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 06, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Hoping O'Shea or Byrne get the gig at Carlton. McGrath an option just wish he was 50 k cheaper. As good as he is something tells me 80-85 will be his output and will stall in price not quite enough to be a keeper.
Think Byrne is a better chance of getting early games than O'shea as Carlton love him but he will average 65ish and I would prefer to get a rookie or someone like a Brayshaw/McGrath type who could really take it too the next level. Although I do agree that McGrath, although improving, will probably score 80-85 which probably won't be enough.

O'shea, Plowman, Marchbank, Jones and Weitering will be the tallest backline ever haha. Can't said any of the four moving out for O'shea either.

Why would they pick up a mature aged O'shea that was playing in Carltons vfl just have him play in the vfl again though?
Would have thought they had a specific role for him to fill or why bother?

The same reason they picked up Alex Silvagni the year before - depth. It makes perfect sense with how young and inexperienced Carlton's back six is.

Don’t overthink it. They just happened to hit his name on the dartboard... ;D

I reckon he’s a good about for round 1 with a decent JLT. Not many spots locked down already you’d think
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Who's role does he take out of Marchbank, Plowman, Jones or Weitering? surely we arent going to play all 5 talls?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: GoLions on February 07, 2018, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Who's role does he take out of Marchbank, Plowman, Jones or Weitering? surely we arent going to play all 5 talls?
Weits will play tall fwd ;)
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: GoLions on February 07, 2018, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Who's role does he take out of Marchbank, Plowman, Jones or Weitering? surely we arent going to play all 5 talls?
Weits will play tall fwd ;)
probably. Hope not :(
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Who's role does he take out of Marchbank, Plowman, Jones or Weitering? surely we arent going to play all 5 talls?

He's tall but he doesn't play as a tall though, more of a running defender which is where there's a gap after the Docherty injury
Title: Re: D4
Post by: frenzy on February 08, 2018, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Who's role does he take out of Marchbank, Plowman, Jones or Weitering? surely we arent going to play all 5 talls?

He's tall but he doesn't play as a tall though, more of a running defender which is where there's a gap after the Docherty injury

Mullett could fill that spot?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on February 08, 2018, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: frenzy on February 08, 2018, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Who's role does he take out of Marchbank, Plowman, Jones or Weitering? surely we arent going to play all 5 talls?

He's tall but he doesn't play as a tall though, more of a running defender which is where there's a gap after the Docherty injury

Mullett could will fill that spot.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 08, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 08, 2018, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: frenzy on February 08, 2018, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 07, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
Who's role does he take out of Marchbank, Plowman, Jones or Weitering? surely we arent going to play all 5 talls?

He's tall but he doesn't play as a tall though, more of a running defender which is where there's a gap after the Docherty injury

Mullett could will fill that spot.

I guess the JLT form of both of them will be the deciding factor
Title: Re: D4
Post by: DCAK on February 17, 2018, 11:07:18 PM
I'm really stuck on my D4 selection at the moment, I really can't see a way to raise the funds to have a premium @ D4 so it looks like it will have to be a mid-pricer  :-\

My most likely candidates are; McGrath, Sicily, Hanley, Wilson and Brayshaw.

McGrath is my pick at this stage, my reasoning is that his role is predictable (DEF/MID) and he's durable. 
Sicily scares me, what if they move him to their FWD line?
Hanley is rumoured to have some MID role ahead of him this year, but what if he is in the decline statistically (as his career statistics suggest) (103,86,86,77)
Wilson's career stats are trending upwards (45,51,55,75) so maybe approx 85 this season? Could go okay.
Brayshaw, well if he gets another concussion what happens? Season over? Career over?
Here's a quote from an SEN article from May 2017,

"In the lead up to Brayshaw’s return assistant coach Brendan McCartney said the club was looking to manage the high-end draft pick’s loads by not playing him through the midfield.

“Lots of his knocks have been related to hits around the ball and the contest area, which is his greatest strength. He’ll be fine long term but we might just change up his role a little to ensure he gets eased back in.”
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Southstorm on February 18, 2018, 12:57:59 AM
McGrath will probably be playing the Parish-HFF/Wing job this season, so I'm expecting 2017 Parish scores as a result. He's a better run-and-carry player than Parish was but he's still in a shower role for supercoach.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: AaronKirk on February 18, 2018, 03:20:45 AM
Agree with the above comments about McGrath. Give him another 12 months before he become relevant IMO.

Brayshaw is my current D4. Looked ok in AFLX. The fact they are giving him gametime in AFLX to me seems to be a good sign. Melbourne are a better side when he plays in the midfield.

If they do change his role to look ease him back in i'd suspect he would play off the half back line in an SC friendly role.

Hanley is also in my current side at D3. The suns have no choice but to play him in the mids. Should be able to push to a 90+ avg. The bye is a killer though.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Adamant on February 18, 2018, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on February 18, 2018, 03:20:45 AM
Hanley is also in my current side at D3. The suns have no choice but to play him in the mids. Should be able to push to a 90+ avg. The bye is a killer though.

Barlow, Lyons, Swallow, Hall, Touk, Fiorini, Brodie, Weller, Rischitelli (depending on if they look to phase him out or not) plus a heap of others that can go through there too. The Suns midfield is deeper than people think and Hanley has said himself that he'll be spending more time in defence this year, with only short stints through the midfield. He's still value regardless though.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ubeaut on February 18, 2018, 10:55:40 AM
Quote from: DCAK on February 17, 2018, 11:07:18 PM
I'm really stuck on my D4 selection at the moment, I really can't see a way to raise the funds to have a premium @ D4 so it looks like it will have to be a mid-pricer  :-\

My most likely candidates are; McGrath, Sicily, Hanley, Wilson and Brayshaw.

McGrath is my pick at this stage, my reasoning is that his role is predictable (DEF/MID) and he's durable. 
Sicily scares me, what if they move him to their FWD line?
Hanley is rumoured to have some MID role ahead of him this year, but what if he is in the decline statistically (as his career statistics suggest) (103,86,86,77)
Wilson's career stats are trending upwards (45,51,55,75) so maybe approx 85 this season? Could go okay.
Brayshaw, well if he gets another concussion what happens? Season over? Career over?
Here's a quote from an SEN article from May 2017,

"In the lead up to Brayshaw’s return assistant coach Brendan McCartney said the club was looking to manage the high-end draft pick’s loads by not playing him through the midfield.

“Lots of his knocks have been related to hits around the ball and the contest area, which is his greatest strength. He’ll be fine long term but we might just change up his role a little to ensure he gets eased back in.”
Thought u said Sicily was not a good option? :-)
If he plays backline he's as good a pick as any around that price either fwd or back and his DPP with a Keefe type would add loophole,trade and bye cover options.
Hanley the other one but as mentioned there's alot of young mids + Barlow and not many points to go around what will surely be a bottom team.
D4 and F3/4 really giving me headaches.
McGrath also competing with many others for SC mid points.
Brayshaw I'm not confident on either due to concussion/role issues.
Wilson is totally unknown and speculative imo.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just getting back into footy mode.  Has anyone gone with another rookie at D4?  I am currently as I think their are more rooks who will play early than any other position?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 19, 2018, 05:38:22 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just getting back into footy mode.  Has anyone gone with another rookie at D4?  I am currently as I think their are more rooks who will play early than any other position?

Right now it looks as though the DEF rookies will be the hardest to find so I'm interested to know which DEF rookies you would plan to start with from D4 to D8..
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on February 19, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just getting back into footy mode.  Has anyone gone with another rookie at D4?  I am currently as I think their are more rooks who will play early than any other position?

Have seen plenty with O'Shea. Don't want to go down this path myself, hoping Birch gets up. Haven't discounted Bonner either.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: shaker on February 19, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 19, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just getting back into footy mode.  Has anyone gone with another rookie at D4?  I am currently as I think their are more rooks who will play early than any other position?

Have seen plenty with O'Shea. Don't want to go down this path myself, hoping Birch gets up. Haven't discounted Bonner either.
Bit on the AFL site saying O'Shea was in the mix to help out down back with Doc out
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on February 19, 2018, 05:58:36 PM
Quote from: shaker on February 19, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 19, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just getting back into footy mode.  Has anyone gone with another rookie at D4?  I am currently as I think their are more rooks who will play early than any other position?

Have seen plenty with O'Shea. Don't want to go down this path myself, hoping Birch gets up. Haven't discounted Bonner either.
Bit on the AFL site saying O'Shea was in the mix to help out down back with Doc out

He's definitely in the mix but I'm concerned about his ability to stay in the side, was never a regular at Port apart from 1 season.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: shaker on February 19, 2018, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 19, 2018, 05:58:36 PM
Quote from: shaker on February 19, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 19, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just getting back into footy mode.  Has anyone gone with another rookie at D4?  I am currently as I think their are more rooks who will play early than any other position?

Have seen plenty with O'Shea. Don't want to go down this path myself, hoping Birch gets up. Haven't discounted Bonner either.
Bit on the AFL site saying O'Shea was in the mix to help out down back with Doc out

He's definitely in the mix but I'm concerned about his ability to stay in the side, was never a regular at Port apart from 1 season.
Lets see his role in JLT but he would be handy if he can hold down a spot
Title: Re: D4
Post by: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 19, 2018, 05:38:22 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 19, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just getting back into footy mode.  Has anyone gone with another rookie at D4?  I am currently as I think their are more rooks who will play early than any other position?

Right now it looks as though the DEF rookies will be the hardest to find so I'm interested to know which DEF rookies you would plan to start with from D4 to D8..

There are loads of def positioned rookies who look close, whether or not they will make round 1 is yet to be seen:  Murphy x 2, Murray, Doedee, O'Shea, Goddard, Keefe, Smith, Eagles...more I haven't thought of, but yeah would have to reassess if there aren't enough rookies to be named.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: meow meow on February 19, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
I'm thinking of having a rookie at D1 and having Parker at M8.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: shaker on February 19, 2018, 06:19:24 PM
Quote from: meow meow on February 19, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
I'm thinking of having a rookie at D1 and having Parker at M8.
That dosen't surprise us meow
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 19, 2018, 10:22:56 PM
Quote from: meow meow on February 19, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
I'm thinking of having a rookie at D1 and having Parker at M8.

Go for it. One less coach to worry about in the pursuit of the 50k.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: SilverLion on February 19, 2018, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: meow meow on February 19, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
I'm thinking of having a rookie at D1 and having Parker at M8.
If there are 8 playing defender rookies come Rd. 1, I'd love to see this
Title: Re: D4
Post by: dmac07 on February 20, 2018, 01:53:01 PM
Lloyd at D4 but its a lot of money to spend in defense.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Really? I just can't spend that much money on the line that is usually the lowest scoring.
I've got Sicily at D4 rookie D5 and even that looks too back heavy. Rather have Sicily in fwds but struggling to find another D4 not sold on Brayshaw or McGrath. He can be moved fwd later tho.
D4 is giving me the s#!#s I just want to  play a rookie and load up on other lines like usual.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 03:26:12 PM
Birch is there now but may have to bring in another premo if he doesn't get up. Still have an open mind to Bonner.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2018, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Really? I just can't spend that much money on the line that is usually the lowest scoring.
I've got Sicily at D4 rookie D5 and even that looks too back heavy. Rather have Sicily in fwds but struggling to find another D4 not sold on Brayshaw or McGrath. He can be moved fwd later tho.
D4 is giving me the s#!#s I just want to  play a rookie and load up on other lines like usual.

It's usually the worst line but the forwards are worse these days. Better premo options in defence than forward
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Huttabito on February 20, 2018, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Really? I just can't spend that much money on the line that is usually the lowest scoring.
I've got Sicily at D4 rookie D5 and even that looks too back heavy. Rather have Sicily in fwds but struggling to find another D4 not sold on Brayshaw or McGrath. He can be moved fwd later tho.
D4 is giving me the s#!#s I just want to  play a rookie and load up on other lines like usual.
5 of the listed defenders averaged 99+ last year compared to 1 forward. Don't mind spending up bigger down back than front but I think McGrath at D5 is a little excessive.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Really? I just can't spend that much money on the line that is usually the lowest scoring.
I've got Sicily at D4 rookie D5 and even that looks too back heavy. Rather have Sicily in fwds but struggling to find another D4 not sold on Brayshaw or McGrath. He can be moved fwd later tho.
D4 is giving me the s#!#s I just want to  play a rookie and load up on other lines like usual.

Yep. Happy to bat deep in both DEF and FWD this season.

Bundy currently F5.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Huttabito on February 20, 2018, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Really? I just can't spend that much money on the line that is usually the lowest scoring.
I've got Sicily at D4 rookie D5 and even that looks too back heavy. Rather have Sicily in fwds but struggling to find another D4 not sold on Brayshaw or McGrath. He can be moved fwd later tho.
D4 is giving me the s#!#s I just want to  play a rookie and load up on other lines like usual.
5 of the listed defenders averaged 99+ last year compared to 1 forward. Don't mind spending up bigger down back than front but I think McGrath at D5 is a little excessive.
That's true, however that could turn around to the opposite again this season. Depends a bit upon fwd and backline players getting mid time Heeney,Billings,Walters,Smith,Petracca etc. in fwds and Brayshaw,McGrath,Ellis,Lloyd etc. in backs.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: _wato on February 21, 2018, 12:00:09 AM
So everyone 100% off Birchall then? Is the perfect D4.... injury worse than first thought?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 21, 2018, 12:09:00 AM
Quote from: _wato on February 21, 2018, 12:00:09 AM
So everyone 100% off Birchall then? Is the perfect D4.... injury worse than first thought?

This is from 4 days ago in an article and it put me off

Racing to be ready: Grant Birchall's pre-Christmas arthroscope on his right knee was concerning, because he was again dealing with the swelling and soreness that saw him undergo a PCL reconstruction in August. He is back running, but his return date is unclear.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: frenzy on February 21, 2018, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Really? I just can't spend that much money on the line that is usually the lowest scoring.
I've got Sicily at D4 rookie D5 and even that looks too back heavy. Rather have Sicily in fwds but struggling to find another D4 not sold on Brayshaw or McGrath. He can be moved fwd later tho.
D4 is giving me the s#!#s I just want to  play a rookie and load up on other lines like usual.

Yep. Happy to bat deep in both DEF and FWD this season.

Bundy currently F5.

May I ask who you have at D5 ?
I also have Bundy F5 and Hanley D5, your onto me, Lol.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 21, 2018, 02:08:42 AM
Quote from: frenzy on February 21, 2018, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 20, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: ben_020285 on February 20, 2018, 02:01:00 PM
Got Sicily there now with McGrath at D5.
Really? I just can't spend that much money on the line that is usually the lowest scoring.
I've got Sicily at D4 rookie D5 and even that looks too back heavy. Rather have Sicily in fwds but struggling to find another D4 not sold on Brayshaw or McGrath. He can be moved fwd later tho.
D4 is giving me the s#!#s I just want to  play a rookie and load up on other lines like usual.

Yep. Happy to bat deep in both DEF and FWD this season.

Bundy currently F5.

May I ask who you have at D5 ?
I also have Bundy F5 and Hanley D5, your onto me, Lol.

McGrath at D5.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ubeaut on February 21, 2018, 11:57:55 AM
The so called experts at Herald Sun have labelled Cam O'Shea as the must have rookie of 2018. Saying he will line up alongside Simmo, play 22 games and score well.
How do these guys think they know things like this?
Have the coaches/selectors told them as much?
Love for them to be right, but it irks me that they think they know everything.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 21, 2018, 12:00:49 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 21, 2018, 11:57:55 AM
The so called experts at Herald Sun have labelled Cam O'Shea as the must have rookie of 2018. Saying he will line up alongside Simmo, play 22 games and score well.
How do these guys think they know things like this?
Have the coaches/selectors told them as much?
Love for them to be right, but it irks me that they think they know everything.

Have you seen some of these 'experts' teams? They are generally horrific!

I would read abosloutely nothing into their views on O'Shea. He is highly unlikely to play round 1. Would need to have an exceptional JLT series to get a gig.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
Everyone on this forum is just as much an expert as they are

Like Ben said, check out their teams

And how's about "The Phantom" LMAO guy finishes like 20k overall and we're supposed to take what his says seriously?  ;D
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on February 21, 2018, 01:51:59 PM
I have been saying all preseason that O'shea is a long shot for round 1. Yes Docherty's injury helps but I would think Mullet and Byrne are in front of him. O'brien is also someone who will get games in that position as well.

Title: Re: D4
Post by: ben_020285 on February 21, 2018, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 21, 2018, 01:51:59 PM
I have been saying all preseason that O'shea is a long shot for round 1. Yes Docherty's injury helps but I would think Mullet and Byrne are in front of him. O'brien is also someone who will get games in that position as well.

Williamson too.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: LordSneeze on February 21, 2018, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
Everyone on this forum is just as much an expert as they are

Like Ben said, check out their teams

And how's about "The Phantom" LMAO guy finishes like 20k overall and we're supposed to take what his says seriously?  ;D

Id say a lot of the people on this forum know more about what is going on than the experts. They also understand the game mechanics better and intricacies of price movements etc.
Phantom is slightly different as he follows SC first and foremost. some of his advise is good, but the majority of the time it is talking up names or mainstream options, rather than those that could actually be left field selections.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Southstorm on February 21, 2018, 05:54:17 PM
To be fair to the HS, they're only trying to give generic advice to the filthy casuals who are looking for ideas to complete the 20 out of 30 spots that are filled by the only players they know.
Which is a good thing, you don't want the /secrets/ being a back page article.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 21, 2018, 06:13:53 PM
They still have more contact with clubs and people in the know than we do though.
They know bugger all about SuperCoach but would know more about where a guy like O'Shea sits in the pecking order at Carlton.

Really though, it all counts for nothing. There will be guys that kill it in the JLT, injuries that occur and players that play terribly and get overlooked. We will know in a couple of weeks time
Title: Re: D4
Post by: DCAK on February 23, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 21, 2018, 12:09:00 AM
Quote from: _wato on February 21, 2018, 12:00:09 AM
So everyone 100% off Birchall then? Is the perfect D4.... injury worse than first thought?

This is from 4 days ago in an article and it put me off

Racing to be ready: Grant Birchall's pre-Christmas arthroscope on his right knee was concerning, because he was again dealing with the swelling and soreness that saw him undergo a PCL reconstruction in August. He is back running, but his return date is unclear.

Flower that
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on February 23, 2018, 06:26:08 PM
With regards to Birchall, if Mirra is the guy to take his place it might be worthwhile benching Birchall for a couple of rounds and then fielding him once he's back. Sort of hedge the bets that way. Not sure when he's expected back but could use him as a loophole given Hawks have mainly Sunday games.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ubeaut on February 27, 2018, 02:42:43 PM
This position is totally the hardest to fill this year.
My whole structure seems dependant on it,as I'm sure many others are finding.
The apparent lack of Rookies,Birchall still injured and underwhelming other mid price candidates (Brayshaw,McGrath,Seedsman,McDonald,Bonner) means going 4 premos which I've never done, picking a speculative  mid pricer with no real confidence, or risk getting stuck with a crap rookie who scores crap and/or gets dropped.

4 premos or even a midprice option stuffs up my fwd and mid preferences and makes me consider Lycett to make up the money lost in defence.

I'm looking at Sicily as he seems most likely out of the cutprice options but costs more than Brayshaw and co. He needs to play back to score well and Clarko has said pretty much he'll play mainly back BUT will also go fwd when needed. His versatility could hurt SC prospects.
Hoping for one of the Carlton boys (Byrne,O'Shea,O'Brien) to get the backline job.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Money Shot on February 27, 2018, 02:52:31 PM
Think O'shea is little chance of playing much senior footy (as I have been saying all pre-season) Mullet and Byrne along with Simpson will be the small/rebounding defenders too start the year I think.

O'brien will get games this year but when is the question.

(I personally don't think Byrne is a best 22 player for us but Carlton like him a lot so I think he will get games)
Title: Re: D4
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
Just go full YOLO and put Doedee at F4

Could actually work  :o
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on February 27, 2018, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
Just go full YOLO and put Doedee at F4

Could actually work  :o

F4 is certainly radical.  ;D
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 04:07:48 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
Just go full YOLO and put Doedee at F4

Could actually work  :o

I assume you mean D4 but yeah I actually really want to do this. Just need there to be enough rookies
Title: Re: D4
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 04:15:51 PM
Haha, yes I meant D4 :P

We only need two solid (JS wise) def rookies to anchor at D4/5 and then another 3 can raffle off for D6
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 04:15:51 PM
Haha, yes I meant D4 :P

We only need two solid (JS wise) def rookies to anchor at D4/5 and then another 3 can raffle off for D6

The worry is that the safe guys with good JS could be scoring 40s and 50s every week
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Pepi on February 27, 2018, 09:43:10 PM
Currently have Sicily at D4. Don't think there's going to be as many def rookies starting round 1 as first thought
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Ringo on February 27, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
I currently have Hanley at D4. Reckon there should be some more cover available by rd 10.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: batt on February 27, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
Hoping one of Wright, Ellis, Bowes, Bonner does enough to fill the position.  Not in love with the idea of having to pay more.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: batt on February 27, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
Hoping one of Wright, Ellis, Bowes, Bonner does enough to fill the position.  Not in love with the idea of having to pay more.

Wright said that he's aiming for a Rd 2 or 3 return. Can rule him out.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: batt on February 27, 2018, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: batt on February 27, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
Hoping one of Wright, Ellis, Bowes, Bonner does enough to fill the position.  Not in love with the idea of having to pay more.

Wright said that he's aiming for a Rd 2 or 3 return. Can rule him out.
Appreciate the info.... couldn't find anything about how he was tracking.

Perhaps an emergency rookie pulls a Kamdyn Mcintosh R1 and then bam! Wright's back in contention ;)
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 01:07:32 AM
Quote from: batt on February 27, 2018, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: batt on February 27, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
Hoping one of Wright, Ellis, Bowes, Bonner does enough to fill the position.  Not in love with the idea of having to pay more.

Wright said that he's aiming for a Rd 2 or 3 return. Can rule him out.
Appreciate the info.... couldn't find anything about how he was tracking.

Perhaps an emergency rookie pulls a Kamdyn Mcintosh R1 and then bam! Wright's back in contention ;)

Funnily enough that was his first game and still his best game to date haha

Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on March 10, 2018, 05:27:15 PM
Is this crazy or has the fact that the defensive rookies look the strongest of the lot make this viable?

Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Naughton, Doedee, Murray (Finlayson, Keefe)

Title: Re: D4
Post by: whynot102 on March 10, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
Not crazy looking likely then load up the midfield
Quote from: quinny88 on March 10, 2018, 05:27:15 PM
Is this crazy or has the fact that the defensive rookies look the strongest of the lot make this viable?

Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Naughton, Doedee, Murray (Finlayson, Keefe)
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Gigantor on March 10, 2018, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 10, 2018, 05:27:15 PM
Is this crazy or has the fact that the defensive rookies look the strongest of the lot make this viable?

Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Naughton, Doedee, Murray (Finlayson, Keefe)

Not crazy

If you need eight rookies across fwds and backs and 6 of the best are in defence then why wouldn’t you pick them?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on March 10, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
Quote from: whynot102 on March 10, 2018, 05:30:09 PM
Not crazy looking likely then load up the midfield
Quote from: quinny88 on March 10, 2018, 05:27:15 PM
Is this crazy or has the fact that the defensive rookies look the strongest of the lot make this viable?

Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Naughton, Doedee, Murray (Finlayson, Keefe)

That's what I'm starting to think too. I only really like 4 of the mid rookies
Title: Re: D4
Post by: meow meow on March 10, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
Naughton got slaughtered by a VFL player today. I wouldn't be confident of him playing regularly and I wouldn't be confident of his scoring ability, not to start on field.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: quinny88 on March 10, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 10, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
Naughton got slaughtered by a VFL player today. I wouldn't be confident of him playing regularly and I wouldn't be confident of his scoring ability, not to start on field.

Still scored 75 though. Just an awkward price to have on the bench if he gets dropped
Title: Re: D4
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 10, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
Naughton got slaughtered by a VFL player today. I wouldn't be confident of him playing regularly and I wouldn't be confident of his scoring ability, not to start on field.

Scored 75 today which is good

Not sure I'd be running with a rookie at D3 though
Title: Re: D4
Post by: meow meow on March 10, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 10, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
Naughton got slaughtered by a VFL player today. I wouldn't be confident of him playing regularly and I wouldn't be confident of his scoring ability, not to start on field.

Scored 75 today which is good

Not sure I'd be running with a rookie at D3 though

If he plays round 1 and gets well beaten you'd better hope that Young has a shocker in the VFL. Or maybe Wood goes back and a guy like Wallis takes Wood's spot in the forward line. Offensively Naughton looks okay (hence the score) but he can't give up 5 goals a match and keep his spot.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2018, 07:35:06 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 10, 2018, 07:08:57 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 10, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
Naughton got slaughtered by a VFL player today. I wouldn't be confident of him playing regularly and I wouldn't be confident of his scoring ability, not to start on field.

Scored 75 today which is good

Not sure I'd be running with a rookie at D3 though

If he plays round 1 and gets well beaten you'd better hope that Young has a shocker in the VFL. Or maybe Wood goes back and a guy like Wallis takes Wood's spot in the forward line. Offensively Naughton looks okay (hence the score) but he can't give up 5 goals a match and keep his spot.

Coffield vs Naughton will be an interesting choice. With Murphy looking like a non-starter will have to pick 1 I think.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2018, 07:39:19 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 10, 2018, 07:35:06 PM
Coffield vs Naughton will be an interesting choice. With Murphy looking like a non-starter will have to pick 1 I think.

I dunno, I reckon we can field Murray, Doedee and Finlayson and then we just need 2 of Payne, Stoddart, Murphy, Keeffe etc to fill the bench meaning we can pass on all the 150k+ rookies all together
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2018, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2018, 07:39:19 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 10, 2018, 07:35:06 PM
Coffield vs Naughton will be an interesting choice. With Murphy looking like a non-starter will have to pick 1 I think.

I dunno, I reckon we can field Murray, Doedee and Finlayson and then we just need 2 of Payne, Stoddart, Murphy, Keeffe etc to fill the bench meaning we can pass on all the 150k+ rookies all together

Fingers crossed, Keeffe is the one who would be huge value for those with Sicily.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
D4 is 100% a rookie for me. Plenty of options down back who can score and score quite well as we've seen. ATM i have Coffield and Naughts over the basement ones tho
Title: Re: D4
Post by: enzedder on March 11, 2018, 06:37:17 AM
Coffield looks a Round 1 lock.
I've seen both Saints JLT games and he's been super impressive. He's my D4.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2018, 10:14:52 AM
Currently going with Doedee at D4, with Murray and Finalyson also on field
Title: Re: D4
Post by: meow meow on March 11, 2018, 10:38:07 AM
O'Shea will average 180 so I think I'll slot him in at D4
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 11, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
O'Shea was in my initial draft, but with the plethora of Defender rookies coming out of the woodwork I think you'll find it hard to fit him in without compromising somewhere else. One less uber premium, perhaps?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on March 11, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
O'Shea was in my initial draft, but with the plethora of Defender rookies coming out of the woodwork I think you'll find it hard to fit him in without compromising somewhere else. One less uber premium, perhaps?

For the time being, I think it's probably best to just pick one of O'Shea, Coffield or Naughton just as a place holder for the time being, and then you lock one of them come Round 1. Doing this allows you to lock in your structure as at least 1 of them should line up Round 1, and in the meantime you put all the cheaper def rookies you like behind them
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Something I'm thinking of rolling with

D3 - Byrne
D4 - Coffield
D5 - Murray
D6 - Finlayson
D7 - Naughton
D8 - Doedee

Then I can add Tom Mitchell into my midfield and it looks really good.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: HoleMeal on March 11, 2018, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Something I'm thinking of rolling with

D3 - Byrne
D4 - CoffieldKeefe
D5 - Murray
D6 - Finlayson
D7 - Naughton
D8 - Doedee

M8 - Coffield

Then I can add Tom Mitchell into my midfield and it looks really good.

This is what I am doing.

Allows me DPP with Keefe and Sicily.
and also Coff and Finlayson.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
I don't think Keefe is in the Giants best 22
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Keeper27 on March 11, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
I don't think Keefe is in the Giants best 22

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Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2018, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
I don't think Keefe is in the Giants best 22

Has been training with the rucks so maybe they plan to use him as relief ruckman.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Nige on March 11, 2018, 03:52:24 PM
Handball hasn’t moved from D4.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: SilverLion on March 11, 2018, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: Nige on March 11, 2018, 03:52:24 PM
Handball hasn’t moved from D4.
Haha I can see why he's called that ;D
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Football Factory on March 11, 2018, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
I don't think Keefe is in the Giants best 22

I was talking him up early on as a good bench option (AF,DT) but i must say i haven't been overly impressed. I will wait for the round 1 teams to make a decision.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 04:05:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 11, 2018, 02:59:16 PM
Has been training with the rucks so maybe they plan to use him as relief ruckman.

It's going to be Lobb/Patton/Himmelberg. Teams are hesitant to use a non forward as that pinch hitting ruck and would rather keep their defensive structures in place. He can't play forward and he doesn't fit in their defense unless they cop an injury to Tomlinson/Davis.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: batt on March 11, 2018, 04:17:40 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 11, 2018, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
I don't think Keefe is in the Giants best 22

Has been training with the rucks so maybe they plan to use him as relief ruckman.
Did someone say loophole?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2018, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: batt on March 11, 2018, 04:17:40 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 11, 2018, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 11, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
I don't think Keefe is in the Giants best 22

Has been training with the rucks so maybe they plan to use him as relief ruckman.
Did someone say loophole?

If it comes down to it I may well just use him as a floating donut.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: zoomba23 on March 11, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
This doesn't have much to do with D4, but I keep seeing the loophole stuff coming up. How does having a player you can loophole benefit your team in any way? Can anyone enlighten me on that?
Title: Re: D4
Post by: ubeaut on March 11, 2018, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: zoomba23 on March 11, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
This doesn't have much to do with D4, but I keep seeing the loophole stuff coming up. How does having a player you can loophole benefit your team in any way? Can anyone enlighten me on that?
It works by choosing 1 of 2 rookies to bench(or premos later on) on a line with a loophole player who will score 0.
Put the "E"'on benched player who has to play before the other rookie and loophole player. If he scores well enough u bench the other rookie as well and play your loophole player on field to score 0. Then u get the "E" players high score.
If not, just bench loophole player and play second rookie.
U can also use the loophole player on field to use as "captain" when your VC has scored more than u think your C will. U bench C player and put the "E" on him. Change the C to loophole player who will score 0. U then get double your VCs points plus benched "E" player points.
So it allows u to potentially score more points.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: zoomba23 on March 11, 2018, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on March 11, 2018, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: zoomba23 on March 11, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
This doesn't have much to do with D4, but I keep seeing the loophole stuff coming up. How does having a player you can loophole benefit your team in any way? Can anyone enlighten me on that?
It works by choosing 1 of 2 rookies to bench(or premos later on) on a line with a loophole player who will score 0.
Put the "E"'on benched player who has to play before the other rookie and loophole player. If he scores well enough u bench the other rookie as well and play your loophole player on field to score 0. Then u get the "E" players high score.
If not, just bench loophole player and play second rookie.
U can also use the loophole player on field to use as "captain" when your VC has scored more than u think your C will. U bench C player and put the "E" on him. Change the C to loophole player who will score 0. U then get double your VCs points plus benched "E" player points.
So it allows u to potentially score more points.
Thanks for the clarification. The VC thing makes complete sense. Just a couple of things with the rookies one. Let's say my benched rookie scores 90 or thereabouts so I put the loophole player on the field, which then means my second rookie gets benched. Do I put the E on him as well so I get extra points? Sorry if I sound dumb, but I've just never used this tactic before, and I could do with a few extra points each round.
Title: Re: D4
Post by: Gavdroid on March 11, 2018, 10:57:36 PM
Quote from: zoomba23 on March 11, 2018, 10:32:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on March 11, 2018, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: zoomba23 on March 11, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
This doesn't have much to do with D4, but I keep seeing the loophole stuff coming up. How does having a player you can loophole benefit your team in any way? Can anyone enlighten me on that?
It works by choosing 1 of 2 rookies to bench(or premos later on) on a line with a loophole player who will score 0.
Put the "E"'on benched player who has to play before the other rookie and loophole player. If he scores well enough u bench the other rookie as well and play your loophole player on field to score 0. Then u get the "E" players high score.
If not, just bench loophole player and play second rookie.
U can also use the loophole player on field to use as "captain" when your VC has scored more than u think your C will. U bench C player and put the "E" on him. Change the C to loophole player who will score 0. U then get double your VCs points plus benched "E" player points.
So it allows u to potentially score more points.
Thanks for the clarification. The VC thing makes complete sense. Just a couple of things with the rookies one. Let's say my benched rookie scores 90 or thereabouts so I put the loophole player on the field, which then means my second rookie gets benched. Do I put the E on him as well so I get extra points? Sorry if I sound dumb, but I've just never used this tactic before, and I could do with a few extra points each round.

No, if you only have 1 player not playing on a line and E on both bench players and they both play, you will only receive the lowest score from the 2 Emergencies
Title: Re: D4
Post by: zoomba23 on March 12, 2018, 12:11:47 AM
Quote from: Gavdroid on March 11, 2018, 10:57:36 PM
No, if you only have 1 player not playing on a line and E on both bench players and they both play, you will only receive the lowest score from the 2 Emergencies
Ok, cheers.