Looking to get into the top 5k this year and would like to see how this team stacks up thanks in advance
Def: K.Simpson, Z.Williams, N.Wilson, G.Birchall, C.O'Shea, T.Doedee (S.Murray, A.Morgan)
Mid: P.Dangerfield, D.Martin, T.Mitchell, J.Kelly, N.Fyfe, P.Cripps, L.Davies-Uniacke, T.Kelly (P.Ahern, J.Garlett, J.Worpel)
Ruc: M.Gawn, N.Naitanui (T.Olango)
Fwd: J.Billings, L.Dahlhaus, R.Lobb, H.Bennell, J.Higgins, D.Venables (W.Rioli, L.Ryan)
Bank: $13,400
Bye Structure (Including Birchall and Bennell but excluding rookies): R.12 - 6 players, R.13 - 4 Players, R.14 - 6 players
If you guys have any questions I will be happy to answer them and if you would like I can explain why I selected particular players
Welcome aboard PP your backs are a bit different maybe to risky for me Simpson has been very good for many years but 34 is just to old for me the others are ok but lacking one of the proven scorers
The rest of your team looks good , rucks getting a bit bored of this combination but hope everyone goes with it gives me a bit of hope for a little advantage and rookies well everyone is in the same boat good luck ;)
Haha thanks Shaker, well originally I was thinking about a ruck duo of Goldstein and Gawn since Goldstein looks like he might have a massive year after the down period he had last season. With Simpson he may be 34 but I can see him performing well for one last season especially with Docherty out. Wilson will be the main man at Fremantle in the defence I am convinced with that and Williams without Wilson and Shaw on the decline will improve on his 94 average. For my defensive premiums I would say a 95 average will be a pass mark. I feel like Yeo, Laird and Hurley will drop in price quite a bit since.
Laird - May get targeted a bit since Lever and Smith won't be at Adelaide and we saw him taper off a bit towards the end of the season
Hurley - Never really like key position players and Hurley is no exception. With the inclusion of Saad, I can see Hurley's Disposals dropping which is what mainly gave his score. The price he is at is probably his peak which means that during the year I could pick him up for much cheaper if I see him picking up form.
Yeo - Even as a WCE supporter I am not 100% sure about whether Yeo will play mainly HB or Midfield. I would honestly prefer him playing HB since...
1. He was an AA in that position
2. He isn't as capable in the midfield where he looked lost
I also see him at peak price and should drop especially if Adam Simpson decides to move him more forward as a back up plan for when we are losing.
Nice team first up Penguin. Fair explanation for some of your choices and hard to argue even though I agree with shaker on Simpson.
Gawn and Nat get boring as that is the favoured combo. Byes really restricting other options. Looked at Martin, Jacobs, Grundy and Ryder to go with Gawn and get stiffled by the bye set up.
Structure is sound as well.
Welcome to the forum as well.
Some good points PP but last year there was no way Doc could repeat his previous year .... wrong , Adams was to injury prone and would miss lots of games ..... wrong , Hurley had a bit of a slow start after a year out then turned it on expect him to start off where he finished and end up top 3 a must start for me but your team is very solid and I have given up selecting who is going to have a break out year my record is shower ha ha so proven guns and rookies for me but good luck it's early days ;)
Yeah might have a look at a new ruck mix which could push me ahead of the pack. But each ruck has some underlying problem.
Jacobs - Awkward bye sharing it which may pose a problem (minor problem overall so still can be picked as is fairly consistent). With the addition of Gibbs and the Crouch brothers becoming more prolific players he may have a 105 avg season.
Grundy - Still fairly young and is only going to improve, only problem is that Nathan Buckley has stated that Cox will be playing more in 2018 and when Cox plays he averages horribly
Martin - Same problem as Grundy but instead of Cox its Archie Smith. With Brisbane's list being fairly young, will Fagan pump games into Archie Smith so that they are ready for a future team without Martin?
Ryder - Rd.10 bye with no Fwd/Ruc options means I will have 21/22 players in Rd.10 which is not ideal but it means he will be available for every other bye which would be a big positive. If possible I will probably turn Nic Nat into Ryder after Rd.10 if there are shades of Nic Nat dropping.
Goldstein - Decent Bye, Has averaged 120+ before as a ruckman which is massive. Last season apparently he as battling with a bit of an injury which has been fixed up now. The last time he averaged fairly low the next season his avg was 110+. My only worry would be Preuss with North being in a rebuild right now which may mean he has stints in the ruck.
So with that analysis I have narrowed it down to two different options.
Primary Option:
Gawn, Nic Nat - Fairly safe with almost everyone choosing this option with good reason. Nic Nat might see some limited minutes however since coming back from an ACL is hardly easy. Lycett/Vardy might take up a bit of the ruck and Nic might not be as confident in his knees as before. Gawn after coming back from injury burned quite a lot of people but his history says he will be back up.
Alternative (Set and Forget):
Jacobs, Goldstein - Little chance of either going down and places me in an interesting position against the rest of the competion. Both will be looking to improve (Goldy after a down season and Jacobs after losing the GF). If these two avg 95-100 I will give them a passing mark but I can see them averaging more.
The rest of the Rucks I'm not really a fan of due to the reasons I labelled above. Tell me what you think about the Alternative option vs. My primary option
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 04, 2018, 07:39:46 PM
Yeah might have a look at a new ruck mix which could push me ahead of the pack. But each ruck has some underlying problem.
Jacobs - Awkward bye sharing it which may pose a problem (minor problem overall so still can be picked as is fairly consistent). With the addition of Gibbs and the Crouch brothers becoming more prolific players he may have a 105 avg season.
Grundy - Still fairly young and is only going to improve, only problem is that Nathan Buckley has stated that Cox will be playing more in 2018 and when Cox plays he averages horribly
Martin - Same problem as Grundy but instead of Cox its Archie Smith. With Brisbane's list being fairly young, will Fagan pump games into Archie Smith so that they are ready for a future team without Martin?
Ryder - Rd.10 bye with no Fwd/Ruc options means I will have 21/22 players in Rd.10 which is not ideal but it means he will be available for every other bye which would be a big positive. If possible I will probably turn Nic Nat into Ryder after Rd.10 if there are shades of Nic Nat dropping.
Goldstein - Decent Bye, Has averaged 120+ before as a ruckman which is massive. Last season apparently he as battling with a bit of an injury which has been fixed up now. The last time he averaged fairly low the next season his avg was 110+. My only worry would be Preuss with North being in a rebuild right now which may mean he has stints in the ruck.
So with that analysis I have narrowed it down to two different options.
Primary Option:
Gawn, Nic Nat - Fairly safe with almost everyone choosing this option with good reason. Nic Nat might see some limited minutes however since coming back from an ACL is hardly easy. Lycett/Vardy might take up a bit of the ruck and Nic might not be as confident in his knees as before. Gawn after coming back from injury burned quite a lot of people but his history says he will be back up.
Alternative (Set and Forget):
Jacobs, Goldstein - Little chance of either going down and places me in an interesting position against the rest of the competion. Both will be looking to improve (Goldy after a down season and Jacobs after losing the GF). If these two avg 95-100 I will give them a passing mark but I can see them averaging more.
The rest of the Rucks I'm not really a fan of due to the reasons I labelled above. Tell me what you think about the Alternative option vs. My primary option
Primary option baaaa baaaa just can't go along with all the other sheep can't see them flogging NN early if ever he is an impact player and always spent extra time on the bench just see them handling him with kid gloves early plus he had knee issues before he did his ACL
Alternative is a point of difference to the majority myself I am just about convinced to go with Ryder and burn a couple of trades if no cheap player pops up see him being very close to being top ruck it might all blow up in my face but would rather do that than try and predict breakout players ;D
So I updated my team a bit after incorporating some of your advice and strengthening the defense and not focusing too much on speculative picks which may or may not breakout. Got rid of Kelly since outside players are not as valued in SC (looking at you Hanners).
Anyway here it is:
Def: M.Hurley, E.Yeo, R.Laird, G.Birchall, C.O'Shea, T.Doedee (S.Murray, A.Morgan)
Mid: P.Dangerfield, D.Martin, T.Mitchell, N.Fyfe, P.Cripps, B.Ah Chee, L.Davies-Uniacke, T.Kelly (P.Ahern, J.Garlett, J.Worpel)
Ruc: M.Gawn, N.Naitanui (T.Olango)
Fwd: J.Billings, R.Gray, L.Dahlhaus, H.Bennell, J.Higgins, D.Venables (W.Rioli, L.Ryan)
Bank: $59k <- Have more money so can be more flexible with how I do things
Keeping Gawn and Naitanui since it makes me happy as a WCE fan to have a player in each line it frees up money in other areas as well.
With the Gray pick, I'm not convinced he will play 100% forward with the inclusions of Watts, Motlop and Rockliff (especially this guy), Port won't need to rely on him so much in the forward line. I mean lets not forget he has averaged 110 before so he is a straight lock.
This team probably resembles a more tradition guns and rookies type which may set me apart from others.
I could turn Martin into Sloane (Who I am liking at the moment) and then turn the rucks into my alternative option.
So tell me what you guys think overall compared to my first team
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 04, 2018, 06:59:06 PM
Haha thanks Shaker, well originally I was thinking about a ruck duo of Goldstein and Gawn since Goldstein looks like he might have a massive year after the down period he had last season. With Simpson he may be 34 but I can see him performing well for one last season especially with Docherty out. Wilson will be the main man at Fremantle in the defence I am convinced with that and Williams without Wilson and Shaw on the decline will improve on his 94 average. For my defensive premiums I would say a 95 average will be a pass mark. I feel like Yeo, Laird and Hurley will drop in price quite a bit since.
Laird - May get targeted a bit since Lever and Smith won't be at Adelaide and we saw him taper off a bit towards the end of the season
Hurley - Never really like key position players and Hurley is no exception. With the inclusion of Saad, I can see Hurley's Disposals dropping which is what mainly gave his score. The price he is at is probably his peak which means that during the year I could pick him up for much cheaper if I see him picking up form.
Yeo - Even as a WCE supporter I am not 100% sure about whether Yeo will play mainly HB or Midfield. I would honestly prefer him playing HB since...
1. He was an AA in that position
2. He isn't as capable in the midfield where he looked lost
I also see him at peak price and should drop especially if Adam Simpson decides to move him more forward as a back up plan for when we are losing.
Hi Penguin, I like your team mate, it's pretty much good to go for now. Don't worry about your ruck selections being 'boring', the question is are they good selections and I'd say yes absolutely they are. As for Goldstein, don't do it! He had a Barry Crocker last year and old mate Preuss will probably carve into his ruck time even more than last year.
Another option in the Rucks is Kruezer - good season in 2017 and has Cripps coming to prime as a clearance player
Quote from: Peter on January 05, 2018, 07:30:49 AM
Another option in the Rucks is Kruezer - good season in 2017 and has Cripps coming to prime as a clearance player
Kreuzer is an interesting option but the thing with rucks is that the top 2 is almost never the same in Supercoach and plus he is quite pricey at 600k. But he will be in my options if I can see he is fully fit and doesn't look like going down after the JLT.
Love your teams structure and love every pick in your team apart from Gray. I know you have said that he has scored 110 in the past but I would prefer to wait and see and pick him up after his bye (along with Barlow) as I think they both could go 100+ but think that the likes of Heeney, Franklin, Billings and Greene are more likely too. That is just my opinion however.
With the rucks I agree that it could be a position where you could get ahead of the pack but in saying that Gawn is a real chance at being the number 1 ruck come seasons end so you need to lock him in and Nic Nat is just too cheap to ignore for mine.
Look at Big Boy McEvoy if you want a real pod ;) I think he could be a top 3-4 ruck this season.
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
Love your teams structure and love every pick in your team apart from Gray. I know you have said that he has scored 110 in the past but I would prefer to wait and see and pick him up after his bye (along with Barlow) as I think they both could go 100+ but think that the likes of Heeney, Franklin, Billings and Greene are more likely too. That is just my opinion however.
With the rucks I agree that it could be a position where you could get ahead of the pack but in saying that Gawn is a real chance at being the number 1 ruck come seasons end so you need to lock him in and Nic Nat is just too cheap to ignore for mine.
Look at Big Boy McEvoy if you want a real pod ;) I think he could be a top 3-4 ruck this season.
In terms of forwards if I turn W.Rioli into a 117 Rookie, I have enough in the bank to turn my Forward line into..
Heeney, Greene, Billings as the premiums. Would you say this is better? All 3 have potential to be in the top 5 of forwards so this could be another avenue I go through.
Big Boy McEvoy is an interesting pick but there was a period between Rd.9 and 16 where his scores were subpar so it might be a consistency issue. Also worried about Ceglar who might get stints in the ruck.
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 05, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
Love your teams structure and love every pick in your team apart from Gray. I know you have said that he has scored 110 in the past but I would prefer to wait and see and pick him up after his bye (along with Barlow) as I think they both could go 100+ but think that the likes of Heeney, Franklin, Billings and Greene are more likely too. That is just my opinion however.
With the rucks I agree that it could be a position where you could get ahead of the pack but in saying that Gawn is a real chance at being the number 1 ruck come seasons end so you need to lock him in and Nic Nat is just too cheap to ignore for mine.
Look at Big Boy McEvoy if you want a real pod ;) I think he could be a top 3-4 ruck this season.
In terms of forwards if I turn W.Rioli into a 117 Rookie, I have enough in the bank to turn my Forward line into..
Heeney, Greene, Billings as the premiums. Would you say this is better? All 3 have potential to be in the top 5 of forwards so this could be another avenue I go through.
Big Boy McEvoy is an interesting pick but there was a period between Rd.9 and 16 where his scores were subpar so it might be a consistency issue. Also worried about Ceglar who might get stints in the ruck.
Would steer clear of Greene personally, safer options available.
Quote from: SilverLion on January 05, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 05, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
Love your teams structure and love every pick in your team apart from Gray. I know you have said that he has scored 110 in the past but I would prefer to wait and see and pick him up after his bye (along with Barlow) as I think they both could go 100+ but think that the likes of Heeney, Franklin, Billings and Greene are more likely too. That is just my opinion however.
With the rucks I agree that it could be a position where you could get ahead of the pack but in saying that Gawn is a real chance at being the number 1 ruck come seasons end so you need to lock him in and Nic Nat is just too cheap to ignore for mine.
Look at Big Boy McEvoy if you want a real pod ;) I think he could be a top 3-4 ruck this season.
In terms of forwards if I turn W.Rioli into a 117 Rookie, I have enough in the bank to turn my Forward line into..
Heeney, Greene, Billings as the premiums. Would you say this is better? All 3 have potential to be in the top 5 of forwards so this could be another avenue I go through.
Big Boy McEvoy is an interesting pick but there was a period between Rd.9 and 16 where his scores were subpar so it might be a consistency issue. Also worried about Ceglar who might get stints in the ruck.
Would steer clear of Greene personally, safer options available.
Greene is a pick due to the fact he is in his contract year and there have been reports that he could be looking at a $1 million contract. With changes to the MRP his suspensions could lessen and he is arguably GWS most important player. Turning 25, hitting the prime of his career.
basically Contract Year = Big Big Year (i.e Dusty, Kelly, Fyfe in the 2nd half of the year)
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 05, 2018, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: SilverLion on January 05, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 05, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
Love your teams structure and love every pick in your team apart from Gray. I know you have said that he has scored 110 in the past but I would prefer to wait and see and pick him up after his bye (along with Barlow) as I think they both could go 100+ but think that the likes of Heeney, Franklin, Billings and Greene are more likely too. That is just my opinion however.
With the rucks I agree that it could be a position where you could get ahead of the pack but in saying that Gawn is a real chance at being the number 1 ruck come seasons end so you need to lock him in and Nic Nat is just too cheap to ignore for mine.
Look at Big Boy McEvoy if you want a real pod ;) I think he could be a top 3-4 ruck this season.
In terms of forwards if I turn W.Rioli into a 117 Rookie, I have enough in the bank to turn my Forward line into..
Heeney, Greene, Billings as the premiums. Would you say this is better? All 3 have potential to be in the top 5 of forwards so this could be another avenue I go through.
Big Boy McEvoy is an interesting pick but there was a period between Rd.9 and 16 where his scores were subpar so it might be a consistency issue. Also worried about Ceglar who might get stints in the ruck.
Would steer clear of Greene personally, safer options available.
Greene is a pick due to the fact he is in his contract year and there have been reports that he could be looking at a $1 million contract. With changes to the MRP his suspensions could lessen and he is arguably GWS most important player. Turning 25, hitting the prime of his career.
basically Contract Year = Big Big Year (i.e Dusty, Kelly, Fyfe in the 2nd half of the year)
Can happen, just don't trust the bloke myself. Know what his temperament is like, I'd be concerned having a player like that in my team all season. Specially with options like Franklin, Menegola etc. being available.
However, he is of course a good enough player to average 100+ and could well be a great pick. Risk vs. Reward, and in SC its generally the risk takers that do well ;)
Quote from: SilverLion on January 05, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 05, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
Love your teams structure and love every pick in your team apart from Gray. I know you have said that he has scored 110 in the past but I would prefer to wait and see and pick him up after his bye (along with Barlow) as I think they both could go 100+ but think that the likes of Heeney, Franklin, Billings and Greene are more likely too. That is just my opinion however.
With the rucks I agree that it could be a position where you could get ahead of the pack but in saying that Gawn is a real chance at being the number 1 ruck come seasons end so you need to lock him in and Nic Nat is just too cheap to ignore for mine.
Look at Big Boy McEvoy if you want a real pod ;) I think he could be a top 3-4 ruck this season.
In terms of forwards if I turn W.Rioli into a 117 Rookie, I have enough in the bank to turn my Forward line into..
Heeney, Greene, Billings as the premiums. Would you say this is better? All 3 have potential to be in the top 5 of forwards so this could be another avenue I go through.
Big Boy McEvoy is an interesting pick but there was a period between Rd.9 and 16 where his scores were subpar so it might be a consistency issue. Also worried about Ceglar who might get stints in the ruck.
Would steer clear of Greene personally, safer options available.
Yeah, Heeney or Billings would be your safest bet along with Franklin for top 5. I am personally taking the risk with Greene and banking on him not getting suspended haha. If he plays every game he will score 2200 points in my opinion which will put him in the top 5 forwards. Just comes down to whether or not he will get suspended.
He is also in his contract year which means he could do a Josh Kelly or Dustin Martin and absolutely kill it.
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: SilverLion on January 05, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 05, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
Love your teams structure and love every pick in your team apart from Gray. I know you have said that he has scored 110 in the past but I would prefer to wait and see and pick him up after his bye (along with Barlow) as I think they both could go 100+ but think that the likes of Heeney, Franklin, Billings and Greene are more likely too. That is just my opinion however.
With the rucks I agree that it could be a position where you could get ahead of the pack but in saying that Gawn is a real chance at being the number 1 ruck come seasons end so you need to lock him in and Nic Nat is just too cheap to ignore for mine.
Look at Big Boy McEvoy if you want a real pod ;) I think he could be a top 3-4 ruck this season.
In terms of forwards if I turn W.Rioli into a 117 Rookie, I have enough in the bank to turn my Forward line into..
Heeney, Greene, Billings as the premiums. Would you say this is better? All 3 have potential to be in the top 5 of forwards so this could be another avenue I go through.
Big Boy McEvoy is an interesting pick but there was a period between Rd.9 and 16 where his scores were subpar so it might be a consistency issue. Also worried about Ceglar who might get stints in the ruck.
Would steer clear of Greene personally, safer options available.
Yeah, Heeney or Billings would be your safest bet along with Franklin for top 5. I am personally taking the risk with Greene and banking on him not getting suspended haha. If he plays every game he will score 2200 points in my opinion which will put him in the top 5 forwards. Just comes down to whether or not he will get suspended.
He is also in his contract year which means he could do a Josh Kelly or Dustin Martin and absolutely kill it.
+1
Greene the no. 1 risk vs. reward option up forward this year, maybe along with Walters.
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Greene the no. 1 risk vs. reward option up forward this year, maybe along with Walters.
Greene is a risk but his risk is probably worth taking when compared to other forwards. For example
Menegola - probably won't have as much mid time if they are splitting it between Dangerfield, Ablett, J.Selwood, S.Selwood, Duncan etc... He is also I would say at his most expensive at this point so he should drop to a more reasonable price later in the season
Franklin - Well he is KPF and last season he was too much of a rollercoaster for my liking. Cost me a few games when I had him so for this year I am steering clear of KPF.
Gray - I will probably bring in after Rd.10
Wingard - has the talent but probably won't get much midfield time with the new recruits coming in.
JJK - KPF = No
Dahlhaus - Will look to bring in during the season after I have seen his form with McLean in the side.
The rest of the forwards are more speculative picks rather than safe picks for the top 5.
Exactly. At least with Greene you know your'e going to get a 95 average minimum with a decent chance of a 100+ average in his contract year as well as him going into his prime. The only question is will he be suspended and I would rather take the risk on that then with guys like Dahlhaus, Barlow and Gray who are out of form.
No risk, no gain. A very close watch is required on Greene
Quote from: Money Shot on January 05, 2018, 03:27:27 PM
Exactly. At least with Greene you know your'e going to get a 95 average minimum with a decent chance of a 100+ average in his contract year as well as him going into his prime. The only question is will he be suspended and I would rather take the risk on that then with guys like Dahlhaus, Barlow and Gray who are out of form.
Very true. I think you guys have put him ahead of a few forwards now in my mind ;D
Still probably won't start with him though :P
Quote from: Peter on January 05, 2018, 04:27:55 PM
No risk, no gain. A very close watch is required on Greene
Agreed. Hes the type of player who may warrant a trade in at around round 6-8, like Yeo last year, if his form warrants it.
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Exactly. At least with Greene you know your'e going to get a 95 average minimum with a decent chance of a 100+ average in his contract year as well as him going into his prime. The only question is will he be suspended and I would rather take the risk on that then with guys like Dahlhaus, Barlow and Gray who are out of form.
Very true. I think you guys have put him ahead of a few forwards now in my mind ;D
Still probably won't start with him though :P
Hahaha it was worth a shot though
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Quote from: Peter on January 05, 2018, 04:27:55 PM
No risk, no gain. A very close watch is required on Greene
Agreed. Hes the type of player who may warrant a trade in at around round 6-8, like Yeo last year, if his form warrants it.
Now if he could gain the same consistency as Yeo had at the start of the season last year then I can see this happening. I kind of want to him to be a pod though until atleast his bye :P but I guess if he averaging 100+ it won't happen unless people are wary of possible suspensions, I know I was like that last season.
As a left field option in the midfield If I say I wanted to free up money ::) what do you guys think about
Zach Merrett? Saw a start before that said of the 13(?) 600k+ premiums, Ablett, Dangerfield and Merrett were the only ones who stayed above 600k for the next season which may tell a story.
Ablett scored a 200 which may have inflated his average quite a bit
Dangerfield is Dangerfield he wasn't going to drop
Merrett is the interesting one
The player I was thinking about was Martin. In the arguably best season ever by an individual player he averaged 119, I am not too sure that this is too sustainable and that he will rise to new heights so the only other option is for him to drop. There was a bit of a patch earlier in the season where he dropped to about 519k which was due to how variable his play style could cause his scores to fluctuate. Last season was also the first and only season where he got an average of 110+
Do you guys think Martin will continue with his run of form, or do you think he will be picked up for much cheaper?
Also apart from last year, Almost every time he has faced the blues in Rd.1 he has scored poorly. This could mean that his price will have a chance of dropping fairly early on.
I agree with doubts on Martin and taken him out of RDT and AF. Imo, the issue is trying to get him in when he does fire and you try to solve other team problems and you get him too late, rather than set and forget. A real gamble
Had to make a bit of change with Bennell looking like he probably won't play round 1 if the incident is deemed punishment worthy. Bennell went up to Lobb, Hurley and Yeo down to Simpson and L.McDonald. McDonald is looking like he is going to be playing midfield for North and at 22 years of age, he might be due for a breakout year. So here is a quick update on the team
DEF: Laird, Simpson, McDonald, Birchall, O'Shea, Murray (Doedee, Goddard)
MID: Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe, Cripps, Ah Chee, LDU, Kelly (Ahern, Garlett, Worpel)
RUC: Gawn, Naitanui (Olango)
FWD: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Lobb, Higgins, Venables (Rioli, Ryan)
Bank: $4000
Tried to keep the bye structure somewhat similar (4, 4, 6) while also keeping the whole "Top 5 in each position" mentality
Tell me what you guys think about McDonald as a bit of a PoD pick and whether he will breakout.
Good thinking with McDonald and if he does move to mids could pay off well. However by the time this works out your oppenents will be bringing him in mitigating the gain. Not many def options available to anyone who looks like breaking out especially through role change will be jumped on. Why take the risk?
Quote from: crowls on January 09, 2018, 07:44:33 PM
Good thinking with McDonald and if he does move to mids could pay off well. However by the time this works out your oppenents will be bringing him in mitigating the gain. Not many def options available to anyone who looks like breaking out especially through role change will be jumped on. Why take the risk?
I love me some out of contract breakout candidates ;D ;D. But in all seriousness I wouldn't call him too big a risk when compared to other players. I imagine by the time people start bringing him in he should be about 500k (if he has worked out) which is about a 40k gain on the rest of the competition plus I may have a look at other fallen premiums by the time they are bringing McDonald in (for example I doubt Hurley at 563k and Yeo at 561k will stay at their prices for long).
If McDonald does burst out of the gates it puts me in a better position. I would say the first round you will see him going into teams will be at a minimum of round 7-9 when rookies have gone up a bit in price (unless there are those willing to trade their premiums for a speculative pick) so that gives me more that enough time to cash in on this point of difference.
McDonald is also 100k less than Hurley and Yeo which is a great turn over meaning I can use that money else where (turning Bennell into Lobb who is looking like a Premium pick at F4). Thus turning 13 premiums into 14 premiums possibly 1 premo pick ahead of the pack.
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 09, 2018, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: crowls on January 09, 2018, 07:44:33 PM
Good thinking with McDonald and if he does move to mids could pay off well. However by the time this works out your oppenents will be bringing him in mitigating the gain. Not many def options available to anyone who looks like breaking out especially through role change will be jumped on. Why take the risk?
I love me some out of contract breakout candidates ;D ;D . But in all seriousness I wouldn't call him too big a risk when compared to other players. I imagine by the time people start bringing him in he should be about 500k (if he has worked out) which is about a 40k gain on the rest of the competition plus I may have a look at other fallen premiums by the time they are bringing McDonald in (for example I doubt Hurley at 563k and Yeo at 561k will stay at their prices for long).
If McDonald does burst out of the gates it puts me in a better position. I would say the first round you will see him going into teams will be at a minimum of round 7-9 when rookies have gone up a bit in price (unless there are those willing to trade their premiums for a speculative pick) so that gives me more that enough time to cash in on this point of difference.
McDonald is also 100k less than Hurley and Yeo which is a great turn over meaning I can use that money else where (turning Bennell into Lobb who is looking like a Premium pick at F4). Thus turning 13 premiums into 14 premiums possibly 1 premo pick ahead of the pack.
Fair points. Like you I am not starting Hurley or Yeo, will be good value upgrades at some stage.
McDonald is someone I have looked at and I really like him. He is going to have a bigger role in a developing team and he also will have natural development as well.
At worst you cop a 85avg and keep him at D6 all year but he could easily go to that 90-95 range meaning you get a player at 50k less than what he is worth and as you said get an extra premium in Lobb.
Good pick and nice side overall mate.
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 09, 2018, 07:40:33 PM
Had to make a bit of change with Bennell looking like he probably won't play round 1 if the incident is deemed punishment worthy. Bennell went up to Lobb, Hurley and Yeo down to Simpson and L.McDonald. McDonald is looking like he is going to be playing midfield for North and at 22 years of age, he might be due for a breakout year. So here is a quick update on the team
DEF: Laird, Simpson, McDonald, Birchall, O'Shea, Murray (Doedee, Goddard)
MID: Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe, Cripps, Ah Chee, LDU, Kelly (Ahern, Garlett, Worpel)
RUC: Gawn, Naitanui (Olango)
FWD: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Lobb, Higgins, Venables (Rioli, Ryan)
Bank: $4000
Tried to keep the bye structure somewhat similar (4, 4, 6) while also keeping the whole "Top 5 in each position" mentality
Tell me what you guys think about McDonald as a bit of a PoD pick and whether he will breakout.
Good side, interesting with Ah Chee in the mids and the McDonald selection. Could easily be a 90+ average. Though I've been burnt with him in the past so would advise a more proven selection.
With my players falling like flies (Looking at you Birch and Bennell) had to revamp the squad a bit so hopefully no one else is injured/punished till JLT.
I present to you...
The $10,000,000 Team
DEF: Laird, Hibberd, Williams, Byrne, Coffield, S.Murray (Doedee, Johnson)
MID: Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe, Pendlebury, Ah Chee, Davies-Uniacke, Kelly (Ahern, Holman, Garlett)
RUC: Gawn, Naitanui
FWD: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Rayner, Higgins (Venables, Ryan)
Bank: $0
Logic dictates that since my team is worth more than 99% of other SC players I should win ;)
Hoping all these rookies play as to keep the team like this but otherwise this is probably the last draft before March since I feel like the JLT will trap me a bit with a few mid-pricers scoring high.
Excellent side with balance on all lines. Like to see you keep that $10m side by Round 1 - a big effort
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 13, 2018, 07:01:43 PM
With my players falling like flies (Looking at you Birch and Bennell) had to revamp the squad a bit so hopefully no one else is injured/punished till JLT.
I present to you...
The $10,000,000 Team
DEF: Laird, Hibberd, Williams, Byrne, Coffield, S.Murray (Doedee, Johnson)
MID: Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe, Pendlebury, Ah Chee, Davies-Uniacke, Kelly (Ahern, Holman, Garlett)
RUC: Gawn, Naitanui
FWD: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Rayner, Higgins (Venables, Ryan)
Bank: $0
Logic dictates that since my team is worth more than 99% of other SC players I should win ;)
Hoping all these rookies play as to keep the team like this but otherwise this is probably the last draft before March since I feel like the JLT will trap me a bit with a few mid-pricers scoring high.
I do find myself liking this side, lot of good selections in there, a few pods too. Gotta be aware that depending on rookie situation, may have to swap and change some prems, aside from that, nice side :)
Like this side and although you have no cash left your team is in a lot better shape than those who have 50k left in regards too being flexible come round 1 when rookies are announced. Good Job.
Injuries to Williams and Naitanui not with the main group meant that I had to tinker with the team more to get the squad back on track.
Ladies and Gentlemen
The $10,000,000 Team (pt. 2)
(https://i.imgur.com/O92SCMt.png)
Bank: $0
Now i'm begging no one else gets injured :'(
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 28, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Injuries to Williams and Naitanui not with the main group meant that I had to tinker with the team more to get the squad back on track.
Ladies and Gentlemen
The $10,000,000 Team (pt. 2)
(https://i.imgur.com/O92SCMt.png)
Bank: $0
Now i'm begging no one else gets injured :'(
Prefer ver. 1 myself, no Hurley/Yeo/Laird/Hibberd is a huge risk given most will start at least 2 of them.
Quote from: SilverLion on January 28, 2018, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 28, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Injuries to Williams and Naitanui not with the main group meant that I had to tinker with the team more to get the squad back on track.
Ladies and Gentlemen
The $10,000,000 Team (pt. 2)
(https://i.imgur.com/O92SCMt.png)
Bank: $0
Now i'm begging no one else gets injured :'(
Prefer ver. 1 myself, no Hurley/Yeo/Laird/Hibberd is a huge risk given most will start at least 2 of them.
Hurley usually starts off slow, Yeo is still injured and on a modified plan, Laird will probably be targeted (The Heath Shaw treatment) and Hibberd can easily be upgraded to.
Howe is Mr.Consistent and has played 20+ games every season bar his first season
Simpson will be kicking it to himself and bombing it long since he has to take responsibility now. Plus the ball will probably be in carlton's back half a lot next season
Ellis averaged 105+ (H&A) in the second half and looks set for more midfield minutes - must have.
I see Laird, Hibberd, Yeo and Hurley as quite overpriced and will probably be able to pick them up for much cheaper later in the season
But this explanation is just to help me sleep at night and convince myself that this my team :P
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 28, 2018, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on January 28, 2018, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: PassivePenguin on January 28, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Injuries to Williams and Naitanui not with the main group meant that I had to tinker with the team more to get the squad back on track.
Ladies and Gentlemen
The $10,000,000 Team (pt. 2)
(https://i.imgur.com/O92SCMt.png)
Bank: $0
Now i'm begging no one else gets injured :'(
Prefer ver. 1 myself, no Hurley/Yeo/Laird/Hibberd is a huge risk given most will start at least 2 of them.
Hurley usually starts off slow, Yeo is still injured and on a modified plan, Laird will probably be targeted (The Heath Shaw treatment) and Hibberd can easily be upgraded to.
Howe is Mr.Consistent and has played 20+ games every season bar his first season
Simpson will be kicking it to himself and bombing it long since he has to take responsibility now. Plus the ball will probably be in carlton's back half a lot next season
Ellis averaged 105+ (H&A) in the second half and looks set for more midfield minutes - must have.
I see Laird, Hibberd, Yeo and Hurley as quite overpriced and will probably be able to pick them up for much cheaper later in the season
But this explanation is just to help me sleep at night and convince myself that this my team :P
Haha :P
Not questioning any of your current picks mind you, think they can all be validated. Just wouldn't have all 3 myself, would have one of the top 4 in place of one of them :)
Just curious about your selection of Gray given Ports early bye?
Also B. Ellis, I understand he averaged 100+ in the second half of last year, but with Higgins coming in, how certain are you that he Ellis gets the midfield time? People are predicting that Prestia, Cotchin, Dusty and even Houli will improve so I am unsure whether this is possible that Ellis is someone who also improves. What makes you think that his finals performances of averaging sub 60 isn't likely at all? Couldn't we pick him up cheap throughout the year?
I like the Howe and Simmo picks. Both very underrated around here. Can't really fault the rest of the team, perhaps switching Ah Chee with Ahern and selecting Will Brodie in the mids instead. Will allow you to fix up other rookies prior to R1 as well. Good luck!
Nice team - and like Spite just wondering about the Gray pick with a Rd 10 bye especially with a lot of unknowns in forward. I would be looking at him as an upgrade option after the bye if scoring OK. Do not know the effect of Rocky on him as well.
Ellis maybe an issue at R3 but there are arguments both ways for him so go with gut.
Quote from: Ringo on January 29, 2018, 05:03:09 PM
Nice team - and like Spite just wondering about the Gray pick with a Rd 10 bye especially with a lot of unknowns in forward. I would be looking at him as an upgrade option after the bye if scoring OK. Do not know the effect of Rocky on him as well.
Ellis maybe an issue at R3 but there are arguments both ways for him so go with gut.
Fine with Gray being out rd.10 since I'll have cover and his scores prior to his bye I believe will justify the choice. I believe the rocky addition will have a positive effect on him since he will have someone in the midfield who he can swap with (Wines and Ebert are not forwards) plus he was sitting in the forward line due to injury so with everything cleared up he should be back in the midfield if port want to finish top 4
I actually really like this team.
Heaps of pods but all worthy picks.
And it is a structurally sound team.
It is teams like this that do really well if they pay off.
Hi guys!
first time poster here, just wanting to get some thoughts on my first draft of 2018!
DEF - M.Hurley, R,Laird, D.Roberton, E.Richards, T.Doedee, B.Paton (S.Murray, A.Morgan)
MID - P.Dangerfield, D.Martin, A.Treloar, L.Dallhaus, C.Patracca, A.Brayshaw, L.D.U, W.Brodie (Z.Bailey, T.Kelly, J.Worpel)
RUC - T.Goldstein, N.Naitanui (S.hayes)
FWDS - L.Franklin, I.Heeney, T.Lynch, R.Stanley, K.Jack, J.Higgins (J.Stephenson, L.Ryan)
Bank: $10,500
Cheers!
Quote from: jricey on January 30, 2018, 02:09:29 PM
Hi guys!
first time poster here, just wanting to get some thoughts on my first draft of 2018!
DEF - M.Hurley, R,Laird, D.Roberton, E.Richards, T.Doedee, B.Paton (S.Murray, A.Morgan)
MID - P.Dangerfield, D.Martin, C.Wingard, L.Dallhaus, C.Patracca, A.Brayshaw, L.D.U, W.Brodie (Z.Bailey, T.Kelly, J.Worpel)
RUC - T.Goldstein, N.Naitanui (S.hayes)
FWDS - L.Franklin, I.Heeney, T.Lynch, R.Stanley, K.Jack, J.Higgins (J.Stephenson, L.Ryan)
Cheers!
Hi there, welcome to the forum :)
For advice on your own team you'd be better off creating your own thread, rather than posting it in someone else's :)
ahh excellent! Noted ;D
Wew almost a month on we are a week away from JLT (Can't wait to see my PODS rise to 15%< ownership ::)). Had sometime after AFLX to think and read so thought I would revise my side a bit (after seeing some players having interrupted preseasons and seeing players who are looking good)
DEF: Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Sicily, Smith (Melb), Doedee (Cumming, Mirra)
MID: Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Higgins, Kelly (Garlett, Barry, Holman)
RUC: Gawn, Naitanui (Olango)
FWD: Walters, Lambert, McLean, Christensen, Dawson (Syd), Ahern (Venables, Frtisch)
Bank: $900
Now let me explain this picks (Excluding the Rookies of course)
DEF
Laird: Absolute lock by the looks of things and would be hard to find anyone without this man in their teams since he has the potential to be the no.1 pick
Hibberd: Compared to Hurley (who got his wrist injured) and Yeo (Hip complaints?) I would say he is a better pick than both and in my opinion will finish higher than these two with the potential to be no.1
Simpson: Loved how consistent he was for me last year (even though it was considered a "down year" for him. With Docherty gone I reckon he will be the general in defense and I think the way Carlton plays suits him well.
Sicily: Wasn't convinced that he would get that backline role this year, but with it almost being confirmed (And Birchall probably being out Rd.1) He looks like a lock and will be heavily sought after mid season for those that don't start with him.
MID
Dangerfield: It's Dangerfield... pick him simple.
Martin: Brownlow, Norm Smith, B&F etc.... What surprises me about Martin is that at the start of the year he had a patch where he was scoring fairly ordinary (due to injury) and by the end of the year he still had a 120 avg. If he can stay healthy and possibly improve some of his inconsistencies he could be even better
Mitchell: Absolute Ball magnet, last year had him from the start and loved every single second of it. If JOM gets up it could help in the midfield. He could also become a more damaging player and as the season went on he was performing better last year. Lock him in.
Fyfe: Fyfe is Life.
Cripps: Has had an uninterrupted preseason so far and is a player just waiting to explode to elite. At his price he is an absolute bargain for the potential upside you could be getting from him. No Gibbs so those midfield points are his to take. Not worried about the tag since inside ball beats are too difficult to tag in the first place and usually not worth it. Most likely Murphy will get the tag thus causing Cripps to be let off the chain.
Coniglio: 2 years ago was debating whether to get him in or not as a starting option. I was liking what I was seeing but in the end didn't have the guts to go through it. 2 years later Coniglio is older, Fitter and I'm not backing out of picking him this time.
RUC
Gawn: "I'm a lock" - Gawn
Naitanui: I have been trying to find reasons NOT to pick him but in the end I just go back to him. I linked an article earlier this year and after some thinking I just couldn't not have my favourite player. Unless something goes horribly wrong in his preparation his looking right for the last JLT or Round 1 and I just can't bring myself to pick these Half baked options (Yes Jacobs is kind of a desperation pick if we are all being honest). And heard a stat that before the injury he played about ~65%-70% time on ground before while still avg in the 100s so I think he will be a lock and should be find. All I honestly need from him is to avg ~90 and to last till round 10 which is doable in his case. The upside is just too good to pass up.
FWD
Walters: Mundy moving into the forward line, Blakley at Half back, Matera being their small forward, Who moves into Freo's Midfield? Walters that's who. Made a whole thread on this guy and like ALOT more than Billings who will be relying on goals to get points whereas Walters will be getting disposals, will kick goals and get contested possessions. I trust that Lyon will play him in his best position (I know trusting Lyon is usually a bad idea) and even Freo fans are getting exited at the prospect of him playing midfield. Note he was tagged in one game last year, BUT he handled it quite well and still scored 88.
Lambert Back end to the year he played mainly midfield and is looking like he moves in to the 2nd Tier midfield at Richmond (First tier being Martin and Cotchin). When Dusty is playing forward, he will most likely be running the engine room. Love him as a pick and is in under 2% of teams which is absolutely criminal.
McLean: Back end to the year last year his avg was 95+ and with that improvement I will be locking him in. Dogs fans are thinking he spends even more time in the middle rotating forward which is a great sign. In under 2% of teams but can see that changing fairly drastically after JLT :-\.
Christensen: Looked good in AFLX (what I mean is he didn't break down which is a good sign). Gonna stick to the plan of upgrading him to Heeney after Rd.6 unless he is avg 100+ (unlikely). Mainly because Sydney have a tough draw in the first few rounds but after than it completely opens up for them.
So that is basically it. The players I will be watching in the JLT to see if they get the roles I expect them to get. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Ok, nice team.
Backs - Tick, tick, tick, tick (I like the Sicily pick at D4)
Mids - Hard to fault.
Rucks - I have that combo and after seeing Nic Nat do somersaults at training I'm feeling more at ease. The only issue I see is if Naitanui gets rested in the early stages there's not much to move to. Definitely a risk reward move that could pay off or could see you burn 2 trades to get a replacement.
Forwards - This line is the most concern. really like Walters and he's in my side, so no issues there. Lambert had a brilliant end to the year, finals included, he also finished top 5 in the B&F. The question really comes down to whether he can take the next step and push his average into the mid 90's. That's almost a 10 PPG improvement. Personally I think he's reached his level but I could be wrong, it's just that he had 9 scores under 80 & 2 of those were under 50. Probably not consistent enough for mine. Don't think McLean has the runs on the board to unseat Dahlhaus either, half a season isn't enough evidence. Two rookies in the forwards may also expose you to some really average returns. Think you have also undersold Billings, he chalked up 30+ touches in 4 games and scored 10 tons after round 6.
Quote from: Bully on February 18, 2018, 10:02:33 PM
Think you have also undersold Billings, he chalked up 30+ touches in 4 games and scored 10 tons after round 6.
Now this I would like to see ;D
Quote from: Bully on February 18, 2018, 10:02:33 PM
Ok, nice team.
Backs - Tick, tick, tick, tick (I like the Sicily pick at D4)
Mids - Hard to fault.
Rucks - I have that combo and after seeing Nic Nat do somersaults at training I'm feeling more at ease. The only issue I see is if Naitanui gets rested in the early stages there's not much to move to. Definitely a risk reward move that could pay off or could see you burn 2 trades to get a replacement.
Forwards - This line is the most concern. really like Walters and he's in my side, so no issues there. Lambert had a brilliant end to the year, finals included, he also finished top 5 in the B&F. The question really comes down to whether he can take the next step and push his average into the mid 90's. That's almost a 10 PPG improvement. Personally I think he's reached his level but I could be wrong, it's just that he had 9 scores under 80 & 2 of those were under 50. Probably not consistent enough for mine. Don't think McLean has the runs on the board to unseat Dahlhaus either, half a season isn't enough evidence. Two rookies in the forwards may also expose you to some really average returns. Think you have also undersold Billings, he chalked up 30+ touches in 4 games and scored 10 tons after round 6.
To be fair with Lambert, his back end had an average of 95+ (so about from rd.12 onwards) which means he does have the consistency going forward. Also when looking through the games he played before Rd.12 he was doing the odd jobs and filling gaps in the midfield (tagging for example) but after he became a ball magnet and inside mid who freed up Dusty to go forward.
I'm sure after last year McLean will get the chances early to prove his is a genuine gun mid and will surpass expectations with that. Dahlhaus at times last year as well was used as a small forward meaning there is also a chance of that happening this year as well.
When it comes to Billings most of what I have heard from posters is something along the lines of "If he can kick straight" which doesn't really inspire me with much confidence if we are relying on him kicking straighter to score significantly better. My main reason however would be the soft tissue injury he has suffered prior to AFLX (Hamstring) which makes me want to steer clear until I upgrade a player to him, if the club were just trying to get him out of playing AFLX they would have just withdrawn him (like what port and Freo did with their stars). Him and Heeney will be on my watch list after the rounds start though.
Overall the forward line is comprised of players I think will be playing midfield at their teams. When compared to players like Greene for example who play that HF role I think mids will provide better results (Doesn't mean later in the season I won't pick these players up)
Defence and mids are pretty solid so can't fault those lines.
Nic Nat is an interesting one as although he still has very high ownership percentage I assume it would be in those teams that don't take supercoach that seriously meaning he could be somewhat of a pod amongst the top teams in the comp so it could pay off starting him. I just think he is really likely to get rested and miss games and would rather start someone like Jacobs who is a boring pick but has a lot more safety around him.
Forward line is a good and I love the Walters/McLean picks along with Bundy who I am starting to think could be an F6/F7 come years end. Lambert I am not convinced with however and I think Graham is more likely to play the inside mid role and think that Lambert's scoring could be impacted.
Overall it is a pretty good team though.
Quote from: Money Shot on February 19, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Defence and mids are pretty solid so can't fault those lines.
Nic Nat is an interesting one as although he still has very high ownership percentage I assume it would be in those teams that don't take supercoach that seriously meaning he could be somewhat of a pod amongst the top teams in the comp so it could pay off starting him. I just think he is really likely to get rested and miss games and would rather start someone like Jacobs who is a boring pick but has a lot more safety around him.
Forward line is a good and I love the Walters/McLean picks along with Bundy who I am starting to think could be an F6/F7 come years end. Lambert I am not convinced with however and I think Graham is more likely to play the inside mid role and think that Lambert's scoring could be impacted.
Overall it is a pretty good team though.
That's an interesting point of view. In my opinion I think the tigers are still within their premiership window so they would rather a more senior body in the guts rather than a Graham. Dimma did say in a q&a that he would be rolling with basically the premiership side (for how long who knows) likely in the positions they played in. If Graham were to play more mid minutes than Lambert I would think it would be for development reasons rather for winning games.
But would love to hear the other side of this because it could go either way.
Quote from: PassivePenguin on February 19, 2018, 02:43:50 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on February 19, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Defence and mids are pretty solid so can't fault those lines.
Nic Nat is an interesting one as although he still has very high ownership percentage I assume it would be in those teams that don't take supercoach that seriously meaning he could be somewhat of a pod amongst the top teams in the comp so it could pay off starting him. I just think he is really likely to get rested and miss games and would rather start someone like Jacobs who is a boring pick but has a lot more safety around him.
Forward line is a good and I love the Walters/McLean picks along with Bundy who I am starting to think could be an F6/F7 come years end. Lambert I am not convinced with however and I think Graham is more likely to play the inside mid role and think that Lambert's scoring could be impacted.
Overall it is a pretty good team though.
That's an interesting point of view. In my opinion I think the tigers are still within their premiership window so they would rather a more senior body in the guts rather than a Graham. Dimma did say in a q&a that he would be rolling with basically the premiership side (for how long who knows) likely in the positions they played in. If Graham were to play more mid minutes than Lambert I would think it would be for development reasons rather for winning games.
But would love to hear the other side of this because it could go either way.
I'm a Tigers man and I just can't see Lambert hitting mid 90's, that's pretty much the bar you should be setting. Dahlhaus, Billings and Heeney are all better options.