BACK-Rance, Adams, Laird, Keeffe, Scharenberg, Vickers-Willis (Ryan, Stewart)
MID-Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Bont, Fyfe, Swallow, Myers, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Drew, Graham)
Ruck-Gawn, Martin (Strnadica)
FWD-Dahl, Macrae, Heeney, Caddy, Black, Pickett (D.Cameron, Eddy)
$200 left
3 solid backs
5 solid mids
Going Martin over Goldi due to Goldi's ankle issues and Grundy is still 12 months away I believe and also had some Xmas shin splints.
4 solid forwards
Any thoughts, opinions and feedback would be appreciated. Thanks guys..
I like it mate, very similar to my squad!
Thanks MC.
Martin in the ruck is probably the only pic (apart from rookies) that I am not 100% sold on but it DOES allow you extra $$ to spend on other lines.
Yep! Good team with some nice pods. Well done :)
Nice Team with some pods Well done - Will be set if both Caddy and Heeny fire from Rd 1.
one of the more rock solid squads ive seen in these forums
$200 bucks left is minor concern but i wouldnt stress out too much about it.
like the call martin over goldy. i wanna do that too but the north supporter inside me wont let it.
never knew grundy was battling shin splints either, wouldnt wish shin splints on the worst of my enemies haha, annoying stuff that doesnt go away
Really solid team, I like it a lot.
My only concern is Heeney and Caddy. Both could be great options but not sure how close to top 6 forwards they will be. Maybe trade them out and upgrade to one more super premium Mid like Treloar.
But really, great team! Good luck
Thanks for the replies guys.
Will leave team for now until JLT starts.
Round 1 team finalised-
DEF- Doch, Laird, Howe, Marchbank, Hampton, Hibberd (Stewart, Otten)
MIDS- Danger, JPK, Treloar, Fyfe, Neale, Murphy, Beams, O'Meara (SPP, SPS, Barrett)
RUCKS- Nank, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Roughy, McCarthy, Houston, Butler (Eddy, Pickett)
$8400 left.
Happy enough with Howe. Would prefer Adams' score :(
Murphy was my gut pick. Did well but not getting carried away.
Not sure whether to keep Pruess at R3 or get Strndicia for $20k less and loophole option??
McCarthy my other 'roll of the dice' pick.
Go with gut on Strnadica. Is perfect loophole option especially if you had JPK or Murphy as VC
Quote from: Ringo on March 26, 2017, 09:59:49 AM
Go with gut on Strnadica. Is perfect loophole option especially if you had JPK or Murphy as VC
Unfortunately had VC on Treloar :(
2121 points for round1.
Below average I would think.
BLUE = No concern
RED = Concern
DEF- Doch, Laird, Howe, Marchbank, Hampton, Hibberd (Stewart, Otten)
MIDS- Danger, JPK, Treloar, Fyfe, Neale, Murphy, Beams, O'Meara (SPP, SPS, Barrett)
RUCKS- Nank, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Roughy, McCarthy, Houston, Butler (Eddy, Pickett)
$8400 left.
Really going to watch how McCarthy and Greene bounce back this week.
Greene could become Steele and McCarthy could become Hannan very easily.
Won't be trading this week.
Will watch Hannan this week to see if he has another solid game.
Next week could be Roughy/McCarthy to Steele/WHE.
2307.
Traded out Neale for Oliver. Only did the 1 trade to raise some $$.
This week looking at -
Trade Roughy out, put Nank into fwd line, trade in Witts.
And McCarthy to WHE.
OK so I am really stuck with what to do this week.
Definitely want WHE in, so am thinking to trade out McCarthy instead of Pickett, straight trade.
My second trade, if I do one is tricky.
See the below options.
1. Roughy out, Nank down to fwd line, Witts in ruck.
2. O'Meara out, Hibberd down to mids, Adams in def.
3. Roughy to Higgins or Buddy.
4. another option??
Thoughts guys....
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Hibberd, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, O'Meara, SPS)
Ruck- Nank, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Roughy, Butler, Houston, Pickett (McCarthy, Eddy)
$238,700 in bank.
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 03, 2017, 08:24:38 AM
OK so I am really stuck with what to do this week.
Definitely want WHE in, so am thinking to trade out McCarthy instead of Pickett, straight trade.
My second trade, if I do one is tricky.
See the below options.
1. Roughy out, Nank down to fwd line, Witts in ruck.
2. O'Meara out, Hibberd down to mids, Adams in def.
3. Roughy to Higgins or Buddy.
4. another option??
Thoughts guys....
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Hibberd, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, O'Meara, SPS)
Ruck- Nank, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Roughy, Butler, Houston, Pickett (McCarthy, Eddy)
$238,700 in bank.
anyone?
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 03, 2017, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 03, 2017, 08:24:38 AM
OK so I am really stuck with what to do this week.
Definitely want WHE in, so am thinking to trade out McCarthy instead of Pickett, straight trade.
My second trade, if I do one is tricky.
See the below options.
1. Roughy out, Nank down to fwd line, Witts in ruck.
2. O'Meara out, Hibberd down to mids, Adams in def.
3. Roughy to Higgins or Buddy.
4. another option??
Thoughts guys....
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Hibberd, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, O'Meara, SPS)
Ruck- Nank, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Roughy, Butler, Houston, Pickett (McCarthy, Eddy)
$238,700 in bank.
anyone?
Roughy out, Nank down to fwd line, Witts in ruck, is what you should do in my opinion.
This is because Witts is a real bargain - $200k and scoring high
How About McCarthy/Eddy/Pickett to Witts via Nankervis. Roughy is still making cash and plays out of form Suns next week so worth holding. Also means you only have to field 2 rookies as well.
Quote from: Ringo on April 03, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
How About McCarthy/Eddy/Pickett to Witts via Nankervis. Roughy is still making cash and plays out of form Suns next week so worth holding. Also means you only have to field 2 rookies as well.
I like this.
Thanks Ringo, a fresh set of eyes sometimes helps. :D
Quote from: Ringo on April 03, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
How About McCarthy/Eddy/Pickett to Witts via Nankervis. Roughy is still making cash and plays out of form Suns next week so worth holding. Also means you only have to field 2 rookies as well.
Yeah, I'd do this as well.
Quote from: EazyMoney on April 03, 2017, 11:27:27 PM
Quote from: Ringo on April 03, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
How About McCarthy/Eddy/Pickett to Witts via Nankervis. Roughy is still making cash and plays out of form Suns next week so worth holding. Also means you only have to field 2 rookies as well.
Yeah, I'd do this as well.
thanks EM.
looks like cash generation will be difficult this year and need to make it while we can.
Assuming McCarthy to WHE which will put Pickett back on the bench yeah?
I prob wouldn't use my other trade to be honest. Hold it till another solid rook comes in and then trade a spud rook like Pickett for them. I'd give Rough another chance, but if you don't want to miss out on Witts then go for it.
Quote from: jvalles69 on April 05, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
Assuming McCarthy to WHE which will put Pickett back on the bench yeah?
I prob wouldn't use my other trade to be honest. Hold it till another solid rook comes in and then trade a spud rook like Pickett for them. I'd give Rough another chance, but if you don't want to miss out on Witts then go for it.
Thanks J. Appreciate it
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 05, 2017, 06:46:50 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on April 05, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
Assuming McCarthy to WHE which will put Pickett back on the bench yeah?
I prob wouldn't use my other trade to be honest. Hold it till another solid rook comes in and then trade a spud rook like Pickett for them. I'd give Rough another chance, but if you don't want to miss out on Witts then go for it.
Thanks J. Appreciate it
I'm in a similar boat, trading Taranto to WHE but don't have any other pressing issues. I didn't start with Murphy, Witts, Higgins so for me they are just guys I missed out on and not worth chasing if I don't need to. Of course I still have a few days to panic burn that 2nd trade! ;)
I would definitely bring Witts in, he's a bargain and you have the luxury of swinging Nank to the rucks if anything goes wrong
I would bring Witts into my team but it would mean trading out Stefan Martin so there is no real point
Roughy out, Nank down to fwd line, Witts in ruck.
Lock that trade in, Witts is flying
Went with 1 trade in the end- Cam McCarthy to WHE.
McCarthy went down in price and WHE went up so happy all round.
Scored 2219 so par score I reckon.
$229k in bank and 28 trades left- going for league.
Keepers in bold.
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Hibberd, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, O'Meara, SPS)
Ruck- Nank, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Roughy, WHE, Butler, Houston, (Pickett, Eddy)
Early thoughts for this week are...
Stewart for Newman
O'Meara out, Hibberd down to mids and Newman in.
Comments as usual appreciated.
I would do Hibberd/Stewart to Newman
and O'Meara to a prem forward via Pickett Would take Miller/Higgins/Buddy or Macrae strengthens that line but your choice.
Quote from: Ringo on April 10, 2017, 02:40:14 PM
I would do Hibberd/Stewart to Newman
and O'Meara to a prem forward via Pickett Would take Miller/Higgins/Buddy or Macrae strengthens that line but your choice.
Agree with Ringo, Macrae is my pick out of the lot.
Ended up going Barrett to Newman via Hibberd DPP
And then OMeara to McCrae via Pickett DPP
$91k left
Scored 2117. Top 3% for the week.
Rose to 5031st overall, up from 9700th, so very happy.
$91k in bank and 26 trades left- going for league win, sitting 2nd.
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Newman, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, SPS (Pickett, Hibberd, SPP)
Ruck- Nank, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Mcrae, Roughy, WHE, Houston, (Butler, Eddy)
Early thoughts for this week are...
SPP out for Balic
Roughie out, bring Nank down, trade Stef Martin into Rucks
Soon I can go Preuss to Strndicia opening up RUCK/FWD link with Nank PLUS pocketing around $200k hopefully.
Comments as usual appreciated.
Burning through those trades early mate but I like your trades.
Trades look sound but be wary on trades as you still need a minimum of 7 orems to get.
Traded out Roughy, moved Nank down to Fwds and brought in Stef Martin.
Also traded out SPP for Fisher.
Scored 2366. 205th highest score of the week.
Rose to 1116 overall.
$37,800k in bank and 24 trades left- going for league win, sitting 2nd.
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Newman, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Macrae (Fisher, Hibberd, SPS)
Ruck- Martin, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Nank, Butler, WHE, Houston, (Pickett, Eddy)
Burning through the trades but am planning on stopping for a few rounds once I hit 20.
Thoughts for this week are
WHE to Aaron Black. His BE is now 69 and there is a chance his JS may be shaky after a below par performance on ANZAC day.
SPS to Balic if named.
Will give me a war chest of $400k.
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 26, 2017, 10:28:08 AM
Traded out Roughy, moved Nank down to Fwds and brought in Stef Martin.
Also traded out SPP for Fisher.
Scored 2366. 205th highest score of the week.
Rose to 1116 overall.
$37,800k in bank and 24 trades left- going for league win, sitting 2nd.
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Newman, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Macrae (Fisher, Hibberd, SPS)
Ruck- Martin, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Greene, Nank, Butler, WHE, Houston, (Pickett, Eddy)
Burning through the trades but am planning on stopping for a few rounds once I hit 20.
Thoughts for this week are
WHE to Aaron Black. His BE is now 69 and there is a chance his JS may be shaky after a below par performance on ANZAC day.
SPS to Balic if named.
Will give me a war chest of $400k.
WHE is a difficult one for me as from what I saw Buckley played him on the wing slightly behind the ball. This meant that he wasn't getting leading marks from the first few weeks. Whether this was to do with playing Adams/Pendles/Cox forward or if its just the Buckley stupidity factor seeing as he is on of their best set shot kicks.
He won't gain cash for the next few weeks, but still has cash to make if played in the beneficial position. Will all depend on options for me. I might hold for 1 more and take a 5k loss if he doesn't pull out a 70+.
OK thinking 1down and 1 up this week as I have an easy league game next week and can afford to do 2 down next week.
2 down this week
2 down next week
MEGA CASH BUILD
This week-
SPS to Balic
WHE to Hardwick
$403k in bank
Next week-
Butler to Parson
Marchbank OUT
Hibberd (Nth) from mid to def
Balic from fwd to mid
Aaron Black IN (as long as he plays well)
Total in bank will be $778k
Thoughts guys?
Ok if your going for league. With all that cash in bank you might fall away from the overall ranks.
Quote from: Carn on April 27, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
Ok if your going for league. With all that cash in bank you might fall away from the overall ranks.
Yeah a cash league worth a few bob.
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 27, 2017, 11:37:03 AM
OK thinking 1down and 1 up this week as I have an easy league game next week and can afford to do 2 down next week.
2 down this week
2 down next week
MEGA CASH BUILD
This week-
SPS to Balic
WHE to Hardwick
$403k in bank
Next week-
Butler to Parson
Marchbank OUT
Hibberd (Nth) from mid to def
Balic from fwd to mid
Aaron Black IN (as long as he plays well)
Total in bank will be $778k
Solid plan if your priority is your cash league.
Think you should maybe look at Pickett as well. Do not see him making much more cash. WHE could achieve his B/E so would do Pickett to Hardwick.
Scored 1819. Week from hell!
Slipped to 5690 overall. Fell 4500 places or thereabouts. :(
$401,400k in bank and 22 trades left- going for league win.
Traded out SPS for Balic and WHE for Aaron Black. The 2nd trade hurt me badly and lost me my league game.
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Newman, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Balic (Fisher, Hibberd, Pickett)
Ruck- Martin, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Macrae, Greene, Nank, Butler, Houston (Black, Eddy)
Looking at my team I have around 8 more upgrades to make. I am burning through the trades but plan to stop eventually and leave 6 for the Finals hopefully :-X
Really struggling with what to do this week and badly need help with options.
1 up and 1 down? Houston to Parson or Hampton to McNeice? Then Butler to Buddy or Marchbank to Adams?
2 up?
Hampton and Marchbank to Roberton and Shaw?
Butler and Houston to Buddy and Yeo?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
And I haven't even mentioned the MRP yet!! >:( >:(
Quote from: HoleMeal on May 01, 2017, 11:40:51 AM
Scored 1819. Week from hell!
Slipped to 5690 overall. Fell 4500 places or thereabouts. :(
$401,400k in bank and 22 trades left- going for league win.
Traded out SPS for Balic and WHE for Aaron Black. The 2nd trade hurt me badly and lost me my league game.
BACK- Doch, Howe, Laird, Marchbank, Hampton, Otten (Newman, Stewart)
MID- Danger, Treloar, JPK, Murphy, Fyfe, Oliver, Beams, Balic (Fisher, Hibberd, Pickett)
Ruck- Martin, Sandi (Preuss)
FWD- Dahl, Macrae, Greene, Nank, Butler, Houston (Black, Eddy)
Looking at my team I have around 8 more upgrades to make. I am burning through the trades but plan to stop eventually and leave 6 for the Finals hopefully :-X
Really struggling with what to do this week and badly need help with options.
1 up and 1 down? Houston to Parson or Hampton to McNeice? Then Butler to Buddy or Marchbank to Adams?
2 up?
Hampton and Marchbank to Roberton and Shaw?
Butler and Houston to Buddy and Yeo?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
And I haven't even mentioned the MRP yet!! >:( >:(
i like the defence upgrades
Can you afford one of each at all as that would be my preferred. If not wait for the MRP as you may need the forward upgrades.
Plenty of cash. tick
Burning through the trades. tick
Issues with MRP. tick
Any thoughts fellas?
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Eddy>Parsons
Houston>Pendles
Yeah Eddy to Parsons would be step 1 for me.
Then your choice of upgrading:
Houston to any Mid or Fwd.
Pickett to a Mid around 580K.
Overall it was a good weekend. Won all my 5 league games.
Downside is I only have 18 trades left and $130k.
Thinking of doing Butler to Myers via Balic DPP and then Hampton to Taylor Adams.
Leaves me with the following upgrades-
DEF 2 (Otten and Marchbank)
MID 1 or 2 (Berry and Beams)
RUCK 1 (Sandi)
FWD 1 (Black)
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Just keep an eye on byes though as you will have 8/9 Rd 13 prems if you go Adams.
I am keeping an eye on Harbrow for next week hoping Marchbank or Otten make a little more cash minimising cost.
Ended up trading Otten and Hampton to Stewart and Tay Adams.
Rose up to top 6000ish overall BUT only have 16 trades and 54k left
Thoughts for this week are....
1. HOLD
2. Marchbank to McInnes
Any other thoughts appreciated. Going for league win NOT overall. Am currently 3rd.
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Will eventually get Greenwood and move Yeo fwd which means I have the following spots to upgrade to perms.
FWD- 1 spot (Parsons)
MID- 1 spot (Berry)
DEF- 1 or 2 spots (Marchbank and Newman although maybe he's a keeper?)
RUCK- 1 (Sandi)
Marchbank to McInnes if named is the logical trade to make, would look strongly at Perryman if he is not.
Probably need to save the trade and pocket the cash for now so would hold and next week possibly go Butler --> Greenwood, swing Yeo into the forward line and bring in a mid prem.
Quote from: SilverLion on May 22, 2017, 06:11:27 PM
Marchbank to McInnes if named is the logical trade to make, would look strongly at Perryman if he is not.
Probably need to save the trade and pocket the cash for now so would hold and next week possibly go Butler --> Greenwood, swing Yeo into the forward line and bring in a mid prem.
Yes I have to stop trading at some stage and I have an 'easier' game this week so just 1 downgrade could be the best this week.
Rose up 1000 in the ranks to low 5000's. Most important I am equal top in my cash league.
Have used toooo many trades but looking at team 'optimistically' I have 3 upgrades to do....more likely 4 ;)
Stewart is one, Newman is a keeper for now and will probably be my last upgrade.
Getting Greenwood into mids this week and moving Yeo to forward line, leaving 1 mid upgrade to do and 1 fwd to do in Stewart.
This week looking at trading out Butler/Parsons/Black to Greenwood.
Am tanking this week so not sure whether to use the other 2 trades seeing I am already low on them.
PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE THIS!!
Could get Sloan, Scooter or hold??
Thanks again fellas.
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Black is not getting games so would look at him to Greenwood. Butler according to Tigers supporters will be back soon and Parsons although not scoring well is playing.
Wait for teams though as surprises will occur.
Regarding Sloane or Scooter if you have 18+ available for Rd 13 bye would get Sloane but if in bye trouble go Scooter, I am hoping Sloane stays around the 120 mark for the next 2 weeks then his 177 goes from rolling scores so may drop in price after byes to allow pick up then.
I would probably look at either of these options:
Black/Parsons to Greenwood and Butler to Sloan.
or
Butler to Greenwood and Balic to S.Selwood. That leaves enough cash to go either Geelong FWD to Heeney or a FWD thats had there bye the week after.
I would probably lean towards option 2 because it gets the bad FWD rookies off your field and Selwood should make enough cash to get a guy like Sloan later on if if his price stays high.
Copped a hammering this week, first week of the byes.
Unlike other teams, week 1 was always going to be a struggle for my team.
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IF, and it's a BIG IF, If I count Newman and Scott Selwood as keepers (for now) then that means I have 2 upgrades to make.
DEF- Berry could become Hibberd this week, finishing my Defence.
FWD- Butler to Heeney or Stewart to Tom Lynch finishes my Forward line.
Do I have to get Cousins this week or would it be fine to miss him seeing I am low on trades??
Am going for cash league win, top 2 on ladder are on 28 points and I am 3rd on 24.
Super low on trades (12) but have a bit of cash and, what I believe to be a fair team.
Any advice much appreciated.
Berry to hibberd is the move I think I would make mate - will make the team look much stronger too
Quote from: Gandalf123 on June 06, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Berry to hibberd is the move I think I would make mate - will make the team look much stronger too
Know you are low on trades but I would do these three trades to set you up nicely
Berry to Hibberd
Preus to Strnadica (allows you to also move Nank to ruck to cover)
Butler/Stewart to Tom Lynch.
Leaves you 9 trades with 1 Def upgrade required - Then injury luxury trades
I think you should go Butler to Hibberd (via Yeo/Berry DPP) mate.
Berry is way more valuable to keep then Butler, his score should be better than Fisher/Llyod and his BE is lower.
Leaves you with $72,100.
Could also consider Preuss to Strnadica and Berry to Heeney (via Greenwood DPP) but Heeney has a high BE so it might even be better to wait a week on that.
Or
If you prefer Lynch as your last forward just do Berry to Cousins and Stewart to Lynch this week.
EDIT: Didn't see previous post with similar idea before posting.
Agreed with Ringo on this one, though would look at Berry's BE compared to Newman's and make the appropriate call there :)
Ended up going with this...
Butler>Rocky
Newman>Hibberd
Berry>Ryan
Still clinging onto Preuss in the hope he plays just 1 more game to get closer to $300k before I trade him to Strandnica.
Have missed a couple of rounds' posts but here is my result from last week-
The Good- I am placed in the low 3000's overall
The Bad- I am going through trades like a fat kid on a cupcake
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Going for league win. I am equal 2nd on the ladder with 32 points however 3rd down to 9th are all on 28 points!!!! So it's a close league!!!
Thoughts for this week (seeing I am low on trades) are-
Lynch out
Greenwood down
Witherden in
Then next week I could go Parsons to Heeney meaning
FWD, DEF, RUCK ALL DONE.
Can hold Beams for now...
Alternatively this week-
Hold Lynch and turn Beams into Bont.
Any other suggestions??
Cheers fellas.
Depends on your league match-ups I guess!
I'd be holding given that you've only got 6 trades. Trades come finals time are worth 2 at the moment.
Quote from: MC on June 29, 2017, 01:29:17 PM
Depends on your league match-ups I guess!
I'd be holding given that you've only got 6 trades. Trades come finals time are worth 2 at the moment.
Thanks for the reply MC.
Might just hold