hey guys with the talking of a mid season trade week and just trades in general also entering the bye rounds after this week
lets have some fun
each team post there trade they are most happy with
can list reasons why as it could have been good for structure
or was it that good in hindsight that no explanation is needed (that one Holz posted of him sending off neale etc for example would hurt and i know HP still has Nightmares of the one where he traded Dahlhaus)
then ofc that leads into what trade do you most regret
and why if again if it is not as obvious or for other reasons etc
just a bit of fun and ofc a lot of the trades will be a case of hindsight being a wonderful thing
but you know the saying if you don't laugh you'll cry :P
P.S: MM you not getting comp cannot not be your bad one...haha ;)
2014 was a pretty awful trade period for me... this one takes the cake
Trade 17
Dublin trade: Charlie Dixon + Jack Watts
Berlin trade: Dayne Zorko + Pick 12
I mean, wtf. Made no sense then, and makes no sense now.
don't see this ending well lol
Holz vs Meow thread
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2016, 10:08:43 PM
2014 was a pretty awful trade period for me... this one takes the cake
Trade 17
Dublin trade: Charlie Dixon + Jack Watts
Berlin trade: Dayne Zorko + Pick 12
I mean, wtf. Made no sense then, and makes no sense now.
and what was the good trade? if there is one
our time at PNL we don't do a massive amount of trades so a smaller supply to choose from but never the less
the bad
before the inital season after drafting
Boomz trades Jarrod Harbrow & Trent Dennis-Lane to Hellopplz for Luke Dahlhaus and Tom Gillies.
and again with boozmie at the end of 2012
Trade 84 (Confirmed)
Tokyo gives: Phil Davis and Jonathon Patton
PNL gives: Picks 4 and 23
the good
we haven't had any huge wins it turns out but a couple we are happy eith
again with Boozmie
PNL Give: Pick 69 + 80
Tokyo Give: Tom Campbell
Not the biggest name but as those following this season will know Tom Cambell has saved our skins no Lobbe No PNL is over thanks to Tommy
NDT give: N6 + Sheridan
PNL give: N5 + JGrant
again no big superstar moves but Sheridan has come in handy down back and we hope he continues to grow
so the bad has really been worse then the good
(though left out like getting swan which was great for us last season)
but again those bad were 2012 so we seemed to have learned our lesson or maybe that is why we are not heavy traders?
nah i'm just stingy :P
Quote from: DazBurg on June 11, 2016, 10:46:10 PM
Quote from: Purple 77 on June 11, 2016, 10:08:43 PM
2014 was a pretty awful trade period for me... this one takes the cake
Trade 17
Dublin trade: Charlie Dixon + Jack Watts
Berlin trade: Dayne Zorko + Pick 12
I mean, wtf. Made no sense then, and makes no sense now.
and what was the good trade? if there is one
And few good contenders, but I like this one the best as I still have him (done at end of 2012):
Seoul Gives: Pick 10 and Jack Steven
Berlin Gives: Preseason Draft Pick 3, Paul Duffield, Liam Patrick and Seb Ross
Steven then went on to break out with me, win a B&F, and continue to be a cornerstone of my midfield ever since 8)
I had a look over our last 2 years of trades, and there was plenty ;D
I think we did very well with these two (The first one most thought we were worse off, but I think we win by a mile)
New York trade: Harley Bennell, Paul Duffield + Mark Whiley
Mexico trade: Jordan Lewis, Shaun Grigg + Scott D Thompson
New York give: Pick 10, Tom Nicholls and Ben Griffiths
New Dehli give: Mitch Duncan and Pick 24
Wouldn't say that 2nd one was a massive win by any stretch, but I'd much rather Duncan over what we gave up
And this one wasn't that great lol
New York give: Mark Blicavs and Darcy Lang
Cape Town give: Nathan Vardy and Jamie Bennell
None of these compete with the ones above though LOL
Don't think we've won a single trade in forever. I don't even think I do good trades anymore, not in Worlds anyway.
Drafting is pretty dece though.
I'm pretty happy with Cloke for Kerridge tbh
From our only trade period thus far...
The Good
Toronto trade: Jarryn Geary, Jonathan Freeman + Pick 31
Cape Town trade: Jasper Pittard + Pick 58
Pittard has been an absolute rock down back for us, averaging 95 with only one score below 80. At 25 years of age he has become one of the most valuable defenders in the comp.
Geary meanwhile has been pretty awful averaging 59. Freeman hasn't done much either. Pick 31 was used on Bailey Rice.
Trade 14
Toronto trade: Travis Cloke + PSD Pick 2
New Delhi trade: Jarrad Grant, Jimmy Webster + Sam Kerridge
Basically Cloke for Kerridge. We all know the story about Trav so I'm not going to make NDT anymore depressed about him. :P
My boy Kedge has been very solid averaging 87 as a mid/fwd. Would be good if we didn't have to waste him at M3 every week though.
Also Rico, Kerridge 10, Cloke 1. ;)
The Bad
Toronto trade: Mitch Robinson, Aaron Hall, Tom Cutler, Jackson Ramsay + Sean Lemmens
Rio de Janeiro trade: Stephen Hill on-traded for Tex Walker, Andrew Walker on-traded for Cloke, who was on-traded for Kerridge + Mitch Clark
This one doesn't look great. Hall started the season like a house on fire but has slowed down the past few weeks and now finds himself in the NEAFL. Still averaging 96 which is +14 on Tex.
Cutler has been pretty handy averaging 71 (77 without the injury affected game) and Ramsay looked promising before doing his ACL.
Robinson and Kerridge average the same so they cancel each other out.
I still really regret trading picks 63 and 66 for Matt Maguire. Compo.
Mexico City give: Aaron Sandilands, Bryce Gibbs
Mexico City receive: Tom Rockliff, James Sicily
Haha, classic
Good: We gave up Darling (77 average at 23) and Walters (86 average at 25) to Holz for Hogan (86 average at 21) and Docherty (110 average at 22)
Bad: But we also picked up Jaeger (R.I.P ;_;) and pick 30-ish for Fyfe within a couple weeks of that, so you win some you lose some.
Ugly: Oh, and we tried to get Hooker (out all season), Bell (languishing with the lions), and pick 8 for Ward (111 average), but apparently we were winning that trade by so incredibly much that we had to kick in Jenkins too (95 average)
The most injured trade ever.
Devon Smith for Jamie Elliott and 26
26 for Clay Smith
Jamie Elliott and Nathan Hrovat for pick 2
Pick 2 for Jobe Watson and pick 12
Pick 12 for Jack Trengove
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 11, 2016, 11:52:28 PM
New York give: Pick 10, Tom Nicholls and Ben Griffiths
New Dehli give: Mitch Duncan and Pick 24
Wouldn't say that 2nd one was a massive win by any stretch, but I'd much rather Duncan over what we gave up
Except when you look at that linking trade and Nicholls turns into Wallis and Crouch
Fair to say our worst are the cloke trade and the Stef trade. Thats really hurting
Was really hard to pick the biggest win but probably most happy with this one tbh
NDT Give: 50 + 76
NDT Get: 46
Quote from: Jukes on June 12, 2016, 09:59:55 PM
Good: We gave up Darling (77 average at 23) and Walters (86 average at 25) to Holz for Hogan (86 average at 21) and Docherty (110 average at 22)
Bad: But we also picked up Jaeger (R.I.P ;_;) and pick 30-ish for Fyfe within a couple weeks of that, so you win some you lose some.
Ugly: Oh, and we tried to get Hooker (out all season), Bell (languishing with the lions), and pick 8 for Ward (111 average), but apparently we were winning that trade by so incredibly much that we had to kick in Jenkins too (95 average)
You don't know how incredibly angry I am with this.
Give us Jenkins back. :P
Went through our trades and there weren't many massssssive wins. Quite a few that benefited us, but also benefited the other team so not ridiculously one sided
NDT Give: Stevens + Trengove
NDT Get: Scully + N12
Scully has been very important for us this year and N12 helped us get Sidey
NDT give: N39 + N88
Tokyo give: Seb Ross
Grabbed Seb before his breakout fairly cheaply
NDT Give: Mitch Duncan and Pick 24
New York Give: Pick 10, Tom Nicholls and Ben Griffiths
It's funny you put this one up actually RD. It really kickstarted NDTs rebuild. And really its
95ave young mid + pick 24 for
85ave young ruck + Top 10 Pick + 75ave fwd
Think that's actually in our favour :P
NDT Give: Michie
NDT Get: Bugg
Bugg has been pretty important for us down back
NDT Give: Warnock
NDT Get: Myers + LDelaney
NDT Give: Myers
NDT Get: JLloyd
Getting Lloyd for spud Warnock was handy. But Myers also has decent ability to score so could go alright when he returns next year
Quote from: DazBurg on June 11, 2016, 10:51:23 PM
NDT give: N6 + Sheridan
PNL give: N5 + JGrant
but but but but, Grant helped us get Cloke! haha
Quote from: Ricochet on June 13, 2016, 12:08:13 PM
NDT Give: Mitch Duncan and Pick 24
New York Give: Pick 10, Tom Nicholls and Ben Griffiths
It's funny you put this one up actually RD. It really kickstarted NDTs rebuild. And really its
95ave young mid + pick 24 for
85ave young ruck + Top 10 Pick + 75ave fwd
Think that's actually in our favour :P
Yeah I thought you guys won that fairly comfortably tbh
Quote from: GoLions on June 13, 2016, 12:16:35 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 13, 2016, 12:08:13 PM
NDT Give: Mitch Duncan and Pick 24
New York Give: Pick 10, Tom Nicholls and Ben Griffiths
It's funny you put this one up actually RD. It really kickstarted NDTs rebuild. And really its
95ave young mid + pick 24 for
85ave young ruck + Top 10 Pick + 75ave fwd
Think that's actually in our favour :P
Yeah I thought you guys won that fairly comfortably tbh
Who did you guys get with Pick 10? Can't remember
Nicholls is handy, but so is Duncan.
Don't really rate Griff as a long term prospect
Quote from: Torpedo10 on June 13, 2016, 11:50:04 AM
Quote from: Jukes on June 12, 2016, 09:59:55 PM
Good: We gave up Darling (77 average at 23) and Walters (86 average at 25) to Holz for Hogan (86 average at 21) and Docherty (110 average at 22)
Bad: But we also picked up Jaeger (R.I.P ;_;) and pick 30-ish for Fyfe within a couple weeks of that, so you win some you lose some.
Ugly: Oh, and we tried to get Hooker (out all season), Bell (languishing with the lions), and pick 8 for Ward (111 average), but apparently we were winning that trade by so incredibly much that we had to kick in Jenkins too (95 average)
You don't know how incredibly angry I am with this.
Give us Jenkins back. :P
Should be a reparations system in place for shower like this tbh, we've had our team hurt through negged trades at least half a dozen times the last few seasons, if not closer to double figures
We've had a few doozies over the years. Here's a few that Daz touched on and others.
PNL gives: L. Dahlhaus + T. Gillies FOR J. Harbrow + T. Dennis-Lane
At this stage thought Dahl would plateau at 80ish mid and Harbrow I thought would be over injuries and go 80 as a defender. How wrong I was :'(.
PNL gives: #41 + T. Mzungu FOR E. Kavanagh + J. Brennan
This was highly contentious at the time. After a few years, guess who's the only one left in a team from the players in here? Mzungu :P.
PNL gives: #4 + #23 FOR J. Patton + P. Davis
After Patton's first knee and was set to come back the next season :'(. Davis is a solid back depth but yeah, pretty bad trade.
PNL gives: M. Pavlich FOR C. Enright
This arguably was a big win for us. Our forwards have always been more steady than our backs and Enright is such a rock down there for us so have loved him past 2.5 seasons.
PNL gives: H. Grundy + A. Corr FOR A. Morabito + #80
Dang salary cap >:(.
PNL gives: #69 + #80 FOR T. Campbell
Ily Campbell, saves us from playing OOP ruck and he's actually solid for 70+.
PNL gives: K. Simpson + J. Butcher + #87 FOR L. Hodge + C. Moller + #32
Last year Hodge was huge for us and Jarrod Garlett (#32) was getting games so looked like we won it last year. Fast forward to this year and Kade is still going while Hodge been riddled with injuries. Funny how things can change like that in a year.
Tom Scully - 84 average up to 99
Koby Stevens - 87 to 89 but has missed 6 games and doesn't look like returning any time soon.
Zorko - 100 up to 113
Griff - 90 up to 97 but has missed 6 games. The best forward in his prime for an old mediocre sometimes injured mid.
Shuey - 98 and 98 again
McVeigh - 100 down to 82. Traded a mid in his prime for a has been.
Pick 2 for Jobe Watson and Jack Trengove (via pick 12). Hasn't been so bad considering I gave up Elliott and Hrovat to get 2 and neither of them have played either. Will hurt long term when Elliott returns and pick 2 becomes a gun.
Add in Sandi missing all but 1 game (107 and his replacement scores about 60), Mitchell dropping 9 points, Montagna dropping 11 points, Dickson dropping 12 points and Heartless dropping a whopping 23 points and it's easy to see that we're struggling big time.
Quote from: Jukes on June 13, 2016, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on June 13, 2016, 11:50:04 AM
Quote from: Jukes on June 12, 2016, 09:59:55 PM
Good: We gave up Darling (77 average at 23) and Walters (86 average at 25) to Holz for Hogan (86 average at 21) and Docherty (110 average at 22)
Bad: But we also picked up Jaeger (R.I.P ;_;) and pick 30-ish for Fyfe within a couple weeks of that, so you win some you lose some.
Ugly: Oh, and we tried to get Hooker (out all season), Bell (languishing with the lions), and pick 8 for Ward (111 average), but apparently we were winning that trade by so incredibly much that we had to kick in Jenkins too (95 average)
You don't know how incredibly angry I am with this.
Give us Jenkins back. :P
Should be a reparations system in place for shower like this tbh, we've had our team hurt through negged trades at least half a dozen times the last few seasons, if not closer to double figures
seriously jukes you say this in every thread that is remotely close to doing with trades
about what was negged and what you had to add
so in trades you come out on top do they get changed too in your system or no because it doesn't suit moscow....lol
Got 3 fantastic trades
1. Dale Thomas + Troy Chaplin for Joel Selwood + Lachie Hunter is my best
2. jaeger Omeara +31 for Fyfe was pretty great though
3. Picks 1, 56 and 74, Scott D. Thompson and Adam Schneider for Travis Boak, Brandon Ellis and Alex Rance
Lachy Neale for Josh Green is probably my worst.
Walters for Yarran could be terrible is Yarran never plays but i think he will.
My most annoying trade reject was probably the 5 way trade in which i was winning too much then end result was I kept Hansen but moved down from 3 to 5 in the order so missed out on Hopper. Really hoping Kennedy and Hansen can come in soon so i dont feel as bad.
this is the best trade ever though
Pacific Gives: Pick 7, Drew Petrie and Lee Spurr
Pacific Receives: Picks 5, 45 and Tom Rockliff
Was that when NDT gave up Tom Rockliff? :'(
Quote from: Ricochet on June 15, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
Was that when NDT gave up Tom Rockliff? :'(
correct
you guys did slightly better though because Cairo also stuffed up big time
New Delhi Gives: Picks 8, 45, and Tom Rockliff
New Delhi Receives: Pick 7, Leigh Montagna, Clinton Young and Lee Spurr
Reason: I confirm this. We were always going to trade Rockliff. Pick 8 I didn't want to lose but I get pick 7 back ;D. I am looking for mature players and these 3 fit the deal. Spurr is 25, Montagna is 28 and Young is 26. They will fit in nicely to the New Delhi Tigers team
Cairo Gives: Pick 5, Leigh Montagna and Clinton Young
Cairo Receives: Pick 8 and Drew Petrie
Monty smashed Petrie.
Of the trades made while I've been in charge of 'Jing:
THE GOOD:
NDT give: Tom Bell
Beijing give: N39 + Tim O'Brien
Easily my best trade in charge at Beijing. 39 (Cavka) has since retired and O'Brien is now back on our list (and getting games!) after being delisted by whoever ended up with him. Meanwhile Bell went on to average 90 following this trade and was used to get our new skipper Callan Ward in before falling back to his ~60avg of previous years. This trade is the one that set up Beijing's improvement this year!
Beijing trade: Matthew Kreuzer + Taylor Hunt + James Stewart
Beijing receive: Dayne Zorko + Ben Newton
Looking back now we've won this trade big time. Zorko has been the best forward in the game this year (have to admit I didn't expect this much improvement!) while Kreuzer is at about a 70avg. The rest of the deal are just bit piece players who are fairly irrelevant.
Would also consider this a pretty convincing win based on this year, but think it will even out once Hooker comes back.
Beijing trade: Cale Hooker, Tom Bell, Ben Newton + Pick 8
Moscow trade: Callan Ward + Josh Jenkins
Getting Jenkins as steak knives worked out alright!
THE BAD:
Beijing give: Pick #5 ID + Sam Naismith + John Butcher
PNL give: Matthew Jaensch + Clay Smith + Cameron Shenton
This is easily the worst trade but I'd argue that it would've turned out even had Jaensch not done his ACL and retired. We only got about 5 games of use out of him, while Pick #5 was used on Peter Wright. Probably would have picked a Jordan De Goey type if we kept the pick who would be a handy addition to our midfield.
Beijing give: Elliot Yeo + Robbie Tarrant + Max Duffy
Rio de Janeiro give: Jared Polec
Tarrant who we thought was just steak knives has turned out to be a very good defender for Rio. Yeo is probably ahead of Polec as well at this point, especially given last year was pretty much a write-off for Polec with his injury. Still a lot of water to go under the bridge for these two players and I think long-term they'll end up similar, but who would've thought Robbie Tarrant would be the big decider in making this trade a fail for us two years down the track.
Since I took over at Pacific, there's definitely been some up's and down's at the trade table!
GOOD:
Pacific give: Brad Sheppard
London give: Rory Laird
Certainly our best trade over the recent times at Pacific! Laird is as valuable as it gets down back, am stoked to have him on the team!
Cape Town give: Cameron Guthrie + NAT #9 + NAT #34
Pacific give: Billy Longer + Cameron McCarthy + NAT #59
This is a good'un. Guthrie has been excellent in the mids for us and I've got my eye on him getting defence status next year!
Pacific trade: Jack Redden, Jarryd Blair + Pick 51
Tokyo trade: Steven Motlop, Matt Suckling, Pick 48 + Pick 66
This one is looking good! Going to West Coast has ruined Redden's SC production, whereas Motlop has shown a very high ceiling and is currently in his fourth straight 80+ season in a row. He just needs to remove his howlers and he'll be a premium. Suckling is very handy being able to play back and forward!
BAD:
New Delhi trade: Jarryd Blair, Terry Milera and Pick 25
Pacific trade: Shane Savage, Zach Williams, Daniel Talia and Pick 42
This one hurts.. Certainly helped kickstart the New Delhi rebuild! Williams and Savage are looking like being great young defenders, meanwhile Blair has been average and Terry Milera isn't even in the comp. Howler! Even Talia has become good.. Ugh.
Pacific trade: Jack Viney, Jackson Paine and Pick 60
Berlin trade: Andy Otten, Lindsay Thomas and Pick 15
I don't want to talk about it :P
But none of this really matters, because drafting The Bont at 8 beats any trade! :P
Since meow just reminded me
NDT give: Dylan Buckley
New York give: Koby Stevens
and then Stevens for Scully
Quote from: Jay on June 15, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
But none of this really matters, because drafting The Bont at 8 beats any trade! :P
Drafting JOM at 5 then packaging him with 31 to get Fyfe takes the cake :P
Quote from: Toga on June 15, 2016, 05:41:29 PM
THE BAD:
Beijing give: Pick #5 ID + Sam Naismith + John Butcher
PNL give: Matthew Jaensch + Clay Smith + Cameron Shenton
This is easily the worst trade but I'd argue that it would've turned out even had Jaensch not done his ACL and retired. We only got about 5 games of use out of him, while Pick #5 was used on Peter Wright. Probably would have picked a Jordan De Goey type if we kept the pick who would be a handy addition to our midfield.
Yeah, given if I didn't downgrade #5 to #6, I still would have gone Laverde. Shame about Jaensch, as he was just finding his feet before injuries cut him down. Clay just can't get any luck... He could be quite a handy player as meow knows.
I've also noticed, meow and I have similar tastes sometimes when it comes to youths :P. Was there in the initial draft (Shiel and Treloar) and then our bias with some other youths haha.