D: Kolodjashnij; Bartel; Yeo; B. Smith; Dea; Brown; (Hartley; Collins)
M: Pendlebury; Ablett; Hannebery; Shiel; Gibbs; Liberatore; B. Crouch; Trengove (or Petracca); (Cunningham; Keys; Dunkley)
R: Naitanui; Grundie; (Choi)
F: Deledio; D. Smith; Franklin; Wells; Simpkin; Cockatoo; (Kerridge; Phillips)
Bank: $3,600
Concerns: Kolodjashnij at D1; Grundie at R2; Franklin at F3; Wells at F4
POD locks: Shiel; D Smith
In any other year I'm opting for a Guns-n-Rookies strategy (max. 3 players in the 250K - $450K bracket). This line-up has 5 players in the 250K - 450K bracket, and 12 players in the 200K - 500k bracket. Feels too loose, but I'm thinking of going with my gut. The only successful time I went with a mid-pricer strategy (8 years ago), I finished 53rd overall. The following year - with the same strategy - I finished outside 30K!!! Since then I've only ever gone with a Guns-n-Rookies strategy, and have consistently finished in the top 5K. This year there's so much value under 500K I'm thinking of having another crack at the mid-price option. Go big or go home! These may be the wrong players, but this season I think it's the right strategy?
No Rocky. Smh.
Betting on Shiel over Rocky... a marginal call, imo (last year I started with Ablett, Sloane, and Rocky. By season's end I'd burnt 11 trades on those three players alone. I'm still a little bit sore about that. Ablett I can forgive. Rocky less so). I think Shiel is going to go BANG this season.
Quote from: Sonnydark on January 31, 2016, 01:40:49 AM
Betting on Hannebery and Shiel over Rocky... a marginal call, I agree (last season I started with Ablett, Sloane, and Rocky. By season's end I'd burnt 11 trades on those three players alone. I'm still a little bit sore about that. Ablett I can forgive. Rocky less so).
Taking away his 0 game he averaged 108.73, then when he returned from injury after RD 15: 121.33... You're making yourself look crazy Rockliff in pronto!
Okay, okay... say I put Rocky in for Shiel... I really didn't want this to be the point... what about the rest...? What about a mid-price strategy (5+ in the 250K - 450K bracket)? This is more to the point. (Rocky may score more than Shiel on a per minute breakdown - but Shiel will score more than Rocky over the course of the season, imo - but that's my personal bet. I may very well change my opinion about that before the season proper starts. But it's not as foolish as it sounds).
Solid side. Crazy strong midfield.
Personally I don't like the idea of Grundie @ R2 but that's just me.
I've always been a set and forget ruck guy.
Trust your choices.
Good luck.
Check out my team (http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,105509.msg1709339.html#msg1709339).
Solid Side Well structured.
I am concerned with Grundy at R2 as well. You may have to upgrade him. Has yet to play a full season as well. may be a master stroke if he does and increases his average from 90.
Franklin is a wait and see with his medical issues.
Wells as we know can score well when on the park so if he plays the first 6/7 games will have a handy price rise.
trust your gut with all decisions.
I see KK improving this year as well as he will continue to be used with his run of HB.
Quote from: Sonnydark on January 31, 2016, 02:06:23 AM
Okay, okay... say I put Rocky in for Shiel... I really didn't want this to be the point... what about the rest...? What about a mid-price strategy (5+ in the 250K - 450K bracket)? This is more to the point. (Rocky may score more than Shiel on a per minute breakdown - but Shiel will score more than Rocky over the course of the season, imo - but that's my personal bet. I may very well change my opinion about that before the season proper starts. But it's not as foolish as it sounds).
I'd get Gibbs to Rockliff through downgrading smith to Aish/Harwood/Mackenzie
1 100% keeper and a useful cash cow making 150k v 2 50/50 keepers who if bomb won't make any cash. Please rate my team btw
On the midfield mid price strategy with the available options there i think Gibbs is a waste it's either gotta be a rookie or a guy who can be top 10 like a Shiel or a wines even Sloane etc...
KK will become too 10 def I I I
Grundy will get within 100k of godly at his price so be ready to make that trade!
Buddy for me is a no he's burnt me 1 too many times.
Wells is way to injury prone even at his value and he's fighting Anderson + Dumont + Turner + Garner for a spot who have showed a lot of potential. It's hard for me to pick him
Really like your team mate, bit of bias because im a big fan of starting with a strong midfield. Love the Shiel pick and love the choices in your backline. Agree with the comments on gibbs and grundie though, guess if they don't pay off you can use corrective trades. Would be good if you can find a way to turn gibbs into rocky. Other years gibbs would be cheap enough to take a punt on but alot better cash cows with similiar scoring ability in crouch libba polec and o'meara (if playing r1).
Devon Smith is the type of unique thats worth the risk, really good POD selection here. Not sure on Franklin, massive ceiling but i tend to favour forwards that play mid.
Thanks for taking the time, everyone. Lots of great feedback. I'll definitely take everything on board. Please put a link to your sides so I can repay the favour. Otherwise, I'll try find your teams in the threads.
Quote from: Sonnydark on January 31, 2016, 02:06:23 AM
Okay, okay... say I put Rocky in for Shiel... I really didn't want this to be the point... what about the rest...? What about a mid-price strategy (5+ in the 250K - 450K bracket)? This is more to the point. (Rocky may score more than Shiel on a per minute breakdown - but Shiel will score more than Rocky over the course of the season, imo - but that's my personal bet. I may very well change my opinion about that before the season proper starts. But it's not as foolish as it sounds).
Keep shiel and get rid of gibbs
I've done some re-jigging based on everyone's feedback. Thank you again for your time! :) There's a clear consensus to get rid of Gibbs, bring in Rocky, and go for set-and-forget Rucks. My side now has 4 mid-pricers in the 250K - 450K range, and 9 players in the 200K - 500K range. So a bit more conventional than my first version side, which had 12 players in the 200K - 500K range.
D: Kolodjasnij; Bartel; Yeo; Mackenzie; Dea; M. Brown (Hartley; Collins)
M: Pendlebury; Ablett; Sloane; Shiel; Rockliff; Liberatore; B. Couch; Petracca (Cunningham; Keays; Dunkley)
R: Martin; Naitainui (King)
F: Martin; Barlow; D. Smith; Turner; Simpkin; Cockatoo (Kerridge; Phillips)
Bank: 10K
In summary... opting for two weaker 250K players at D4 & F4 respectively (Mackenzie & Turner), and downgrading Hannebery to Sloane... has allowed me to keep Crouch at M7, upgrade Gibbs to Rocky, and upgrade Grundy to Martin.
Cockatoo, I don't think is best 22 so I'd downgrade him and perhaps dea and grab bird. Perhaps you could even downgrade simpkin as well and get Franklin/Merrett in. I agree, Set and Forget rucks are the way to go and Rocky is a jet. Good changes. Either way I really like your side. Would love your thoughts on my side
I would drop Mckenzie to rookie
Cockatoo to rookie
Upgrade turner
Thanks Hawker and Eaglesman. Strong suggestions. Hawker... more than happy to reciprocate and give you my thoughts on your team. Will go look for it now in the threads.
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2016, 08:49:23 PM
I would drop Mckenzie to rookie
Cockatoo to rookie
Upgrade turner
+1 this would be perfect.
Thanks for the feedback Money Shot. After starting a thread claiming a mid-pricer strategy, my team's evolved into a side that's squarely Guns-n-Rookies. The only two mid-pricers are Libba and Crouch, which sees me starting with 6 Rookies (3 Def, 1 Mid, 2 For). The Rookies are place holders for the moment, and I'll definitely have a M/F Rookie such as Petracca/Kerridge on the Midfield line, but NAB will sort that out. I'm more concerned with settling on a structure, and the Premium - ultra Premium balance. This is probably my final draft before NAB no doubt turns everything on its head. Thanks again for the comments.
D: Kolodjasnij; Bartel; Yeo; Dea; Byrne; M. Brown (Hartley; Collins)
M: Pendlebury; Ablett; Sloane; Shiel; Rockliff; Liberatore; B. Couch; Cunningham (Keays; Mathieson; Dunkley)
R: Martin; Naitainui (King)
F: Martin; Wingard; Barlow; D. Smith; Kerridge; Phillips (Petracca; C. Smith)
Bank: 6.9K
Do not mind it to sit on. Personally not a fan of Shiel or Devon Smith but we can not have all the same players. Shiel can not put my finger on but has burnt me in the past think maybe an attitude problem and think maybe better options than Smith. He may fire this year and lift his average above 90 a case risk v reward here and go with gut.
I actually have a gut feeling that Shiel could explode this year. And Smiddy is Smiddy 8)
I appreciate the query over Shiel, but I formed an opinion midway through last season that he would go boom this season, in line with GWS challenging for top 8. I would rather take him and fail (still ave. 100 at least imo), than go for something more conventional and deal with lacking the courage of my convictions if he completely breaks out to ultra premium. Smith I'm less sure, and based on two things: 1) I don't think there are any standouts in his price range. In fact, there are very few forwards I like this year 2) in a recent interview he talked about his disappointment at not kicking on from 2014, and that he was driven to go to the next level this season. I know it's a long bow, but I'm hoping this may reflect in a small bump in his SC average. I'm not opposed to getting in another player if something more promising presents in nab. But shiel is a rock solid lock for me. Thank you both for your comments.
My final team before NAB turns everything on its head.
I've gone for what I'm calling a 4-2-4 ultra-premium set-up, the idea being to have 10 ultra-premiums across the midfield-ruck-forward lines. They need to be as close as possible to being guaranteed to finish in the top handful of players in their respective positions i.e. the two Rucks need to be what I think will be 1-2 by season's end... but the 4 Mids only need to be in the top 8, and the 4 Forwards in the top 6. Although I tried to find value where I could (Rockliff, Barlow), there isn't any space for speculative picks (as much as I like Shiel and Wines).
This structure leaves me with a vulnerable/speculative Defence, the challenge being to find 3 premiums who might make the jump into the top 6, and one 200K-300K who can average in the 80s (between MacKenzie and Aish at the moment).
It sees me starting with 6 Rookies, with Libba and B. Crouch giving nice support as mid-pricers.
DEF: Kolodjashnij; Bartel; Rampe; McKenzie; M. Brown; Collins (Byrne; Hartley)
MID: Pendlebury; Ablett; Hannebery; Rockliff; Liberatore; B. Crouch; Gresham; Cunningham (Petracca; Mathieson; Partington)
RUCK: Goldstein; S. Martin (Loersch)
FWD: D. Martin; Dalhaus; Wingard; Barlow; Simpkin; Kerridge (Howard; Hammelman)
Thanks for taking the time to have a look.
Last year I started with Ablett, Rockliff, and Sloane, and burnt 11 trades getting them back into my side each time they returned from injury.
Entering Rd 3 of NAB, without any potential showing of Ablett or Rockliff before Rd 1, I must take Einstein's advice: 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results'. I'm fairly certain I'll end up with both these players by season's end... even if it means paying full price down the road. But I'd rather deal with the resentment of being conservative, than having the same start as I did last season. 2015 was the first time I've finished outside the top 10,000 (12,455); with a high of 53rd.
Any thoughts on this Ablett-less / Rockliff-less side would be appreciated. The aim is to still have an ultra-premium top-line midfield set-up (the easy sideways shift is Ablett to Dangers; much harder is the Rockliff replacement... I've gone for Parker). Would love S. Martin over NicNat, but just don't have the cash.
D: Shaw; Houli; Bartel; Lonergan; Weitering; M. Brown [F] (Hartley; Broad)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Pendlebury; Parker; M. Crouch; Liberatore; Mills; Menadue [F] (Mathieson; Clarke; Partington)
R: Goldstein; Naitanui (Korchek)
F: D. Martin; Barlow; De Goey; Wells; Kennedy; Kerridge (Phillips; McDonald- Tipungwuti [D])
Bank: $19,700
For the time being I've decided not to allocate my bank money on a playing Ruck, as I believe there's more value in a functioning loophole than the limited cash generation from Grimley/Cox etc. With Carlton-Richmond kicking off the season, I won't have a loophole for Rd 1, but thereafter Carlton presents the best option as far as I can tell... with a number of late-Saturday / Sunday games leading into the byes.
I reckon this team is banking on de goes big time because if he doesn't fire, there's nobody to really move him to.
I think this team would be 9.5/10 if you downgraded weitering and upgraded de goes to greene (if possible)
It's well balanced, I don't think it's the end of the world not starting rockliff/ablett because they are both under injury clouds.
I think rockliff is the riskier of the two, ablett will come out and smash it, I feel. I'd rather miss out on rockliff than ablett. rocky could end up 105-110 this year so not the end of the world
Thanks for your feedback, Piesfan.
It's interesting you locked onto De Goey. In the many iterations, the final move in my team was De Goey at F3. He makes the rest possible. What's your definition of De Goey going 'big time'? Mine is 90+, and that he plays the first 10 games (I'm hoping for 95, but 90 is a pass). Does it need to be more than this? Greene is my preferred player in the 450K - 500K bracket. What will Green average in your opinion? I feel Weitering will start the first 10 games, and average 75+ (I'm hoping for 80). Can you suggest a D5 - F5 combination that will produce more than 165 points than Weitering and De Goey with the same cash (this is the minimum they will produce imo)?
Latest iteration post NAB 3:
D: Shaw; Houli; Sheridan; Howe; Weitering; Dea (Hartley; Broad)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Pendelbury; Parker; Graham; Liberatore; Mills; Menadue (Gresham; Mathieson; Davis)
R: Goldstein; S. Martin (Korchek - for loophole post Rd 1)
F: Barlow; S. Gray; Hall; Wells; Kennedy; Kerridge (Milera; McDonald-Tippa)
Bank: $1,800
NAB 3 reflex moves: No Ablett & Rocky (11 trades on Ablett, Rocky, and Sloane last year, having started all and trading them back in each time they returned from injury); more money put into the bench due to a lack of confidence in some of my preferred Rookies + M. Brown; NicNat out and Martin in (I see NicNat starting slow and finishing strong, like last season); S. Gray in; A. Hall a lock at D3, and seriously considering putting the C on him for Rd 1 against the Bombers!
Thank you for looking, and a bigger thank you any feedback :)
Rockliff averaged something like 140 without beams (who is out for a while)... just sayin
Thanks Strikes.
My bet is that Rocky doesn't play 16 games, not that he won't average his potential.
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 14, 2016, 12:28:27 AM
Thanks Strikes.
My bet is that Rocky doesn't play 16 games, not that he won't average his potential.
Why not? His injuries last year were broken ribs and a concussion, not like he's actually injury prone or anything. Don't see any reason why he doesn't play at least 20.
Quote from: GoLions on March 14, 2016, 12:34:51 AM
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 14, 2016, 12:28:27 AM
Thanks Strikes.
My bet is that Rocky doesn't play 16 games, not that he won't average his potential.
Why not? His injuries last year were broken ribs and a concussion, not like he's actually injury prone or anything. Don't see any reason why he doesn't play at least 20.
Umm... the fact he hasn't played a minute of NAB.
Even the most die-hard Rocky fan (of which I am one) has to admit it's a factor.
It may be an ultra-conservative over-reaction, but I'd rather live with the regret of paying overs for him as my first upgrade, than getting him in now and watching him take the first half of the season to warm up to his ceiling.
Rested for NAB 1
Named and traveled to Mackay for NAB 2 but cancelled
Rested for NAB 3
we know what he is capable of... not like he is a rookie
Look... I think you make a valid point. And probably you're right.
I've invested a lot of cash in my Rookies, and without any impact to my team can very easily turn Pendles and Parker into Ablett & Rocky respectively. It's very likely I'll do so with at least one of them, and quite probably with both.
The way I figure it, 80% of the top 3,000 players will start with Ablett & Rocky, so if either or both fails, then everyone's in the same boat. But if you're right and I'm wrong, I'm stuffed from the outset.
But for this week, I'll be bold and remain steadfast. Imagine if I'm right! Next week, however, I'll be sure to cower and do what the knowledgeable coaches are recommending ;)
didn't mean to sound pushy. Never know the hammy might ping running through the banner (hope not)
You have very little cash left for rookie adjustments so trust you have a plan B if needed.
Risky without Ablett or Rocky but if gut says worth the risk go with it.
Risky players you have named as I see it Howe, Graham and Hall who I think are similar risks to Rocky and Ablett.
Howe is very up and down
2015 Av 74 with only 7 scores over 90 from 22 games
2014 Av 84 with 10 scores over 90 from 22 games
2013 Av 73 with only 5 scores over 90 from 21 games
Graham yet to be proven and has not had a full NAB season and Hall will be pushed back down the list when O'Meara and Prestia return.
May pay off early but you may need trades later,
He averaged 115 last year not including the first 3 games where he was subbed twice and played pure fwd line.
He's priced at 100 and can go well above 115.
Same with ablett. When he came back from injury last year he averaged like 160 over those 3 games. The potential upside is so big I don't think you can afford to miss out. If you go with them, which is what everyone is doing, and they don't do well.. you're at no loss. But by not having them, are you really getting in other players that are THAT much better and so amazing that they'll make a huge impact? Because a lot of people have fyfe, pendles, danger, ablett and rocky.
Thank you everyone for your feedback. Greatly appreciated.
I've slept off my momentary madness. I've had a major reshuffle, and the team below is hopefully evidence that sanity will prevail. My concerns are:
1) B. Crouch at M6. Would much prefer Libba, his brother, or N. Graham, but only have $5,800 in the bank.
2) Two non-starting players in Petracca and Korchek. I want Korchek as a long-term loophole, and having downgraded my F3 Premium to a Rookie, I need to swing Menadue through a Bench DP for extra support.
D: Shaw; McDonald, Houli; Weitering; Dea; McDonald-Tippa (Hartley; Broad)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Pendlebury; Ablett; Rockliff; B. Crouch; Mills; Davis (Gresham; Petracca; Mathieson)
R: Goldstein; S. Martin (Korcheck)
F: D. Martin; Barlow; Wells; Kennedy; Menadue; Kerridge (Milera; Brown)
Bank: $5,800
You need to just sit and work out which is best as an example will Danger+ B Crouch score as well as Say Matt Priddis and M Crouch/Libba. Sometimes Prems + mid pricers are better scoring wise than super premos and lower priced mids. Go with gut though.
McDonald at D2 also worries me a little. Can not see him maintaining his scores of last year which was his best season by far. Maybe wrong but a risk in my opinion at D2, Do not mind Houli though,
Thanks for the feedback, Ringo. Good advice.
McDonald down to Bartel allows me to go B. Crouch to Libba.
May sit on this for a bit now.
Thanks, again.
I was able to get MUCH better balance by getting rid of one of libba & crouch. As much as I want both of them, pushing one mid pricer to the backline just reduces risk so much - If we have a repeat of yesterday (brown/hartley scoring 62 between them), it's really going to catch some teams out.
You've done the same, I think it's the way to go. On paper you could say the rookies + prem + crouch & libba could outperform a super premo + crouch + rookie but the potential for one of those rookies to score a 20 is pretty hectos
Currently:
D: Shaw; Houli; Laird; Weitering; Dea; McDonald-Tippa (Hartley; Broad)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Pendlebury; Ablett; Rockliff; Mills; Oliver; Davis (Menadue; Gresham; Mathieson - short-term loophole)
R: Goldstein; S. Martin (Cox)
F: D. Martin; Barlow; Wells; Simpkins; B. Kennedy; Kerridge (Milera; Brown)
Mathieson could be out for weeks, crazy starting him.
Nice looking team Sonny, but I think Libba is an absolute must, and passing on both Libba and Crouch you're really missing out on some excellent value
Not a huge fan of both Mills and Oliver. I'd prefer Crouch and a rookie for same price, or just one of them
Like Bully said get rid of Mathieson, and I'd look to bring in Adams as a rookie.
Dropping Pendles down to liberatore/crouch/etc allows you to shore up that fwd line by turning Simpkin into an extra premium, as well as taking advantage of the value a player such a liberatore has to offer.
As far as Mathieson goes, you could move kerridge up to play m8 instead of Davis and pick up Adams.
My team is close to being locked. Any final feedback would be much appreciated.
Final structure changes include downgrading D. Martin to a Rookie in order to upgrade Libba to Rockliff for 5 premium mids, Weitering to Sheridan for a mid-pricer at D4, and NicNat to Goldy.
D: Shaw; Houli; Laird; Sheridan; Brown; Adams (Hartley; Broad)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Pendlebury; Ablett; Rockliff; B. Crouch; Mills; Oliver (Gresham; Petracca; Davis)
R: Goldstein; S. Martin (Korcheck)
F: Barlow: Hall; Wells; Kennedy; Menadue; Kerridge (Milera; McDonald- Tippa)
Bank: $4,300
Goldstein into NicNat can turn Oliver into Libba, but I really, really have a bad gut feel about starting without Goldy.
Sheridan to rookie Oliver to libba. Looking really good otherwise.
I think you have the wrong Martin, or could do with both.
No Libba is a ballsy move, but is also one I am considering, pretty good side overall.
Thank you both for your feedback:
Glenmaggie: I had both Crouch and Libba, with Weitering, but felt one needed to be sacrificed to provide mid-price support to the 3 premos. Would love to go Weitering being a Blues supporter, but I'm really worried about the Rookies from D5 - D8. Will follow your advice and change back for now.
FanTCfool: Up until yesterday I had both Martins, with D. Martin / Barlow / Hall at F1-3. But that meant 4 ultra-premium mids + Libba + Crouch + Rookies, and in my Rucks Martin + NicNat. If I get back D. Martin, it reverts to the above. Something has to give, and the consensus seems to be 5 Premium mids. I am confused by where people are getting the money.
The extra money comes from losing shaw to a rich or a kk. But we can't have everyone. I think keeping goldy is wise
Updated:
D: Shaw; Houli; Laird; Weitering; Brown; Adams (Hartley; Broad)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Pendlebury; Ablett; Rockliff; Liberatore; B. Crouch; Mills (Gresham; Petracca; Davis)
R: Goldstein; NicNat (Korcheck)
F: Barlow; Hall; Wells; Kennedy; Menadue; Kerridge (Milera; McDonald- Tippa)
Bank: $21,500
Sheriden to Weitering & S.Martin to NicNcat = Oliver to Liberatore
I think it's solid.
Thanks, Glenmaggie. And thanks for your feedback.
Like this team Sonny - Well constructed. Like most just waiting to see Rd 1 Teams announced to adjust rookies. Lets hope we see Tippa and Davis elevated this week
Good luck
Thanks, Ringo.
Good luck to you too, mate!
Rocky to Nick Graham knee-jerk in response to Rookie mayhem that is real and approaching like a tornado.
The cash allows me to get best-bet premium-priced Rookies to start. I'm absolutely gutted as my previous team was a lock. But if Ruggles, Davis, and Mcdonald-Tippa don't get elevated, and with Petracca sitting in there as well, I feel I must make this move to protect my team.
This leads me into the season with 10 ultra-premium keepers + 2 mid-pricer premiums (Libba and Hall). Very exposed. Not happy at all, but what other choice?
I know the comments will be downgrade one of Pendles, Hanners, Priddis to Rocky, (and also to get Gazza in)... I'm not betting against their potential to score huge; I'm betting against their health. With so few ultras I'm simply not gambling on players who won't play a full season (including Fyfe & B. Crouch). With such a low ultra-premium count, I've decided to go ultra-conservative and put my trust in premiums with better durability. I'd normally prefer to be much more aggressive, but feel this is the best line to take in the absence of Rookies.
Can easily go back if there are some elevations tomorrow. But would rather lock in a Plan B now and sleep on it, than come up with a last-minute one at 6 pm tomorrow.
D: Shaw; Houli; Laird; Weitering; Dea; Adams (Brown; Hartley)
M: Dangerfield; Pendlebury; Hannebery; Priddis; Graham; Liberatore; Mills; Oliver (Crowley; Gresham; Petracca)
R: Goldstein; Martin (Cox)
F: Barlow; Hall; Wells; Simpkins; Kennedy; Kerridge (Milera; Menadue)
Anyway... murder this team with your feedback if you wish.
If going ultra conservative with durable players, then drop Wells, Shaw, and maybe Libba. Otherwise, get Rocky and Gaz in there :P
Wells and Libba are terrible comparisons. Gaz and Rocky need to play 19 games imo to justify selection. Wells and Libba only need to play until the byes (although we're all hoping Libba will be a keeper).
Difference between shaw is shaw played a full season, had a pre season, and played nab.
I mean... My team is not ideal, believe me!! But come at me with more than that, please.
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 23, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
Wells and Libba are terrible comparisons. Gaz and Rocky need to play 19 games imo to justify selection. Wells and Libba only need to play until the byes (although we're all hoping Libba will be a keeper).
Difference between shaw is shaw played a full season, had a pre season, and played nab.
I mean... My team is not ideal, believe me!! But come at me with more than that, please.
Can't really use the games Rocky missed last year as not being durable either though. Varcoe broke his ribs, and he copped a concussion against the Suns. Not like he did a hammy or anything. I'd expect him to play every game.
There's a potential 30ppg difference between Rocky & Graham, not the best idea I'd say
You're all making valid points.
I wish I'd put Gazza and Rocky into my team (and downgraded Priddis to Graham) to generate feedback on the main point i.e. 4 ultra-premium midfielders rather than 5 so that more money can be funnelled into the tail of each line to cover the Rookies we all have that may not be elevated.
I'm sacrificing points at the top for a less soft underbelly.
I've pulled it back a bit (Fyfe, Ablett, Rocky, Libba, Davis/Hewett; McDonald-Tippa back in). If the plane crashes into the mountain, at least I'll go down with you all as company :P
The money from losing M5 premium has mainly gone into Dea to Sheridan at D4, and Petracca to Crowley at M9.
D: Shaw; Houli; Laird; Sheridan; Weitering; Adams (Brown; Hartley)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Ablett; Rockliff; Graham; Liberatore; Mills; Oliver (Crowley; Gresham; Davis/Hewett)
R: Goldstein; S.Martin (Loersch)
F: Barlow; Hall; Wells; Kennedy; Menadue; Kerridge (McCarthy; McDonald-Tippa)
Bank: $33,100
Quote from: fanTCfool on March 23, 2016, 08:13:38 PM
There's a potential 30ppg difference between Rocky & Graham, not the best idea I'd say
There's a potential 90ppg point difference between Graham and Rocky if Rocky doesn't play ;)
Quote from: GoLions on March 23, 2016, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 23, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
Wells and Libba are terrible comparisons. Gaz and Rocky need to play 19 games imo to justify selection. Wells and Libba only need to play until the byes (although we're all hoping Libba will be a keeper).
Difference between shaw is shaw played a full season, had a pre season, and played nab.
I mean... My team is not ideal, believe me!! But come at me with more than that, please.
Can't really use the games Rocky missed last year as not being durable either though. Varcoe broke his ribs, and he copped a concussion against the Suns. Not like he did a hammy or anything. I'd expect him to play every game.
If last year was an anomaly, and he is durable this year... why haven't we seen him yet?
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 23, 2016, 08:40:52 PM
Quote from: GoLions on March 23, 2016, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 23, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
Wells and Libba are terrible comparisons. Gaz and Rocky need to play 19 games imo to justify selection. Wells and Libba only need to play until the byes (although we're all hoping Libba will be a keeper).
Difference between shaw is shaw played a full season, had a pre season, and played nab.
I mean... My team is not ideal, believe me!! But come at me with more than that, please.
Can't really use the games Rocky missed last year as not being durable either though. Varcoe broke his ribs, and he copped a concussion against the Suns. Not like he did a hammy or anything. I'd expect him to play every game.
If last year was an anomaly, and he is durable this year... why haven't we seen him yet?
Because in first round of the NAB, the kids all get a run. Second round was washed out, and he was a bit tight after training for 3rd game. Would have played if it was the next day though. He is 100% ready to go for round 1.
Quote from: GoLions on March 23, 2016, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 23, 2016, 08:40:52 PM
Quote from: GoLions on March 23, 2016, 08:01:05 PM
Quote from: Sonnydark on March 23, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
Wells and Libba are terrible comparisons. Gaz and Rocky need to play 19 games imo to justify selection. Wells and Libba only need to play until the byes (although we're all hoping Libba will be a keeper).
Difference between shaw is shaw played a full season, had a pre season, and played nab.
I mean... My team is not ideal, believe me!! But come at me with more than that, please.
Can't really use the games Rocky missed last year as not being durable either though. Varcoe broke his ribs, and he copped a concussion against the Suns. Not like he did a hammy or anything. I'd expect him to play every game.
If last year was an anomaly, and he is durable this year... why haven't we seen him yet?
Because in first round of the NAB, the kids all get a run. Second round was washed out, and he was a bit tight after training for 3rd game. Would have played if it was the next day though. He is 100% ready to go for round 1.
Like I said... you've convinced me. He's back in my side. Along with Gazza and Fyfe. We'll go down in flames together. None of these will play more than 17 games imo. My point here was to shore up a little on the premium end with so many queries on the Rookies this year.
Order restored. Done & dusted. LOCKED!
D: Shaw; Houli; Laird; Weitering; Dea; Adams (Brown; Hartley)
M: Fyfe; Dangerfield; Pendlebury; Ablett; Rockliff; Graham; Mills; Oliver (Gresham; Hewett; Davis)
R: Goldstein; S.Martin (Loersch)
F: Barlow; Hall; Wells; Kennedy; Menadue; Kerridge (McCarthy; McDonald-Tippa)
Bank: $20,700
I'm going cook cutter-ish (Graham instead of Libba and the Crouches; Barlow-Hall not everyone's cup of tea for F1 and 2 premo). I have serious reservations about Dea's job security, and the durability of Fyfe, Gazza, and Rockliff. I have concerns about Davis and Mcdonald-Tippa getting elevated for Round 1. But screw it... if the plane crashes into the mountain, it will have everyone in these forums on board.
Good luck to all. It's getting close now. Let's hope our teams soar!
Love the team, mids are great but going a little short in the forward line! I think it's solid. Good luck, can't wait for the season to start.
Thanks Glenmaggie. Good luck to you too, mate!
I am dead set against the Graham pick. Have never personally considered him.
He isn't gunna be a keeper and won't make enough cash to be worth selecting. Has only played half his games not in the sub vest and plays in an awful team. Could be in and out of the side and will struggle to average anymore than 80 IMO.
One of the Crouch boys or Libba miles better picks or downgrade to any suitable rookie.
Rest of the side is very good. Personally am hesitant only going with 2 premo forwards but I guess it can work.
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 24, 2016, 12:05:41 AM
I am dead set against the Graham pick. Have never personally considered him.
He isn't gunna be a keeper and won't make enough cash to be worth selecting. Has only played half his games not in the sub vest and plays in an awful team. Could be in and out of the side and will struggle to average anymore than 80 IMO.
One of the Crouch boys or Libba miles better picks or downgrade to any suitable rookie.
Rest of the side is very good. Personally am hesitant only going with 2 premo forwards but I guess it can work.
Thanks for the feedback, Aaronkirk.
Everyone has one player they hold onto, and mine is Graham. I'd prefer Libba and B.Crouch, but I needed to see more from them to justify their picks. And I'm nervous about M. Crouch. I really believe none of them will end up being keepers (Libba because others have overtaken him at the Dogs, and he doesn't compile stats in enough columns; and B. Crouch for the durability query). And I'm a Blues fan. So it gives me someone to shout for other than Weitering and Kerridge which everyone has. And I can tell you, under the new coach Graham will play 22 games if he stays fit. And in my estimation he'll average 95+ (he needs to average 95 minimum to justify the pick. B. Crouch will average that easily, but he won't play the 12 consecutive games. I need to place my hunch over blind hope in this regard). And Graham accumulates points in a lot of different ways.
On only having two premos on the Forward line, we can't have it all. This allowed me to have 5 ultra-premium midfield + the two best Rucks imo + Shaw. And aside from Hall, I really wanted my keepers to be ultra-premiums, not speculative premiums.
Thanks for the comment. Time will tell if Graham was a mistake or not. Like in 24 hours ;)
Good luck for the season, mate!
Hey pal, can you tell me if we still have unlimited trades until Saturday after tonight's game?
Yes, mate. Rolling lockout.
Carlton - Richmond players will be blocked out, and you can keep playing with available players through the weekend until their respective games are played.
Awesome, thanks for that. Ryan davis just elevated to senior list