-Teams can draft from both the top up players and the leftovers from the rookie draft
-Players picked in the top up draft cannot be kept on teams list beyond the end of this season,they will be returned to the player pool available for anyone to pick in the rookie draft any top up players not retained or picked up by an AFL club will be delisted.
-Any top up players that are signed by a club at the end of the season will be available to all teams to draft and cannot be retained by the team that picks as a top up player beyond the end of this season.
-Top up players must be picked as like for like positions e.g Jobe Watson replacement must be another mid,Jake Carlisle replacement must be either a fwd/def or either of those 2 positions on their own.If a top up player has dpp mid/fwd for example then he can replace either a mid or forward.
-All teams will be expected to pick a player even if you think you don't need them,we would prefer that all teams have as many players available as possible just in case of a big hit of injuries similar to last season.
Affected teams
Jobe Watson - LA(SydneyRox)
Dyson Heppell - Hawaii(elephants)
Cale Hooker - Pirates(Nige)
Michael Hurley - LA
Tom Bellchambers - Nicaragua(kilbluff1985)
Heath Hocking - Pirates
Travis Colyer - El Paso(T Dog)
Michael Hibberd - Springfield(Grannyboy)
Ben Howlett - Nicaragua
David Myers - LA
Brent Stanton - Hawaii
Tayte Pears - Arizona(Football Factory)
Jake Carlisle - El Paso
Patrick Ryder - Washington(popedelio)
Stewart Crameri - Nicaragua
Jake Melksham - Pirates
Angus Monfries - Arizona
Draft Order
1.Dyson Heppell- Hawaii (mid only) - Jonathan Simpkin
2.Michael Hurley - Los Angeles (def only) - Nathan Grima
3.Cale Hooker - Guadalajara (def,fwd or def/fwd) - Jed Adcock
4.Michael Hibberd - Springfield (def only) - Sean Dempster
5.Jobe Watson - Los Angeles (mid only) - James Kelly
6.Brent Stanton - Hawaii (mid only) - Matthew Stokes
7.Ben Howlett - Nicaragua (mid,fwd or mid/fwd) - James Polkinghorne
8.Patrick Ryder - Washington (ruck,fwd or ruck/fwd) - Sam Michael
9.Jake Carlisle - El Paso (def,fwd or def/fwd) - Matt Dea
10.Jake Melksham - Guadalajara (mid only) - Ryan Crowley
11.Travis Colyer - El Paso (fwd only) - Lincoln McCarthy
12.Stewart Crameri - Nicaragua ( fwd only) - Anthony McDonald-Tipunguti
13.Angus Monfires - Arizona (fwd only) - Sam Grimley
14.Tom Bellchambers - Nicaragua (ruck only) - Mason Cox
15.Heath Hocking - Guadalajara (mid only) - Ryan Davis
16.David Myers - Los Angeles (mid only) - Tom Wallis
17.Tatye Pears - Arizona (def only) - James Gwilt
Top up players
Jonathan Simpkin(fwd/mid)
Mark Jamar(ruck)
Matthew Stokes(mid/fwd)
James Kelly(mid)
Ryan Crowley(mid)
Matt Dea(def)
James Polkinghorne(mid)
Sam Grimley(ruck/fwd)
Nathan Grima(def)
Sam Michael(Ruck)
REMAINING PLAYER POOL
Adelaide
Reilly O'Brien(Fwd/Ruck),Keenan Ramsey(Def),Harry Dear(Fwd),Kyle Cheney(Def),Daniel Talia(Def),Andy Otten(Def),Paul Hunter,Jonathan Beech,Hugh Greenwood,Alex Keath
Brisbane Lions
Hugh Beasley(Def),Cian Hanley(Def),Matthew Hammelman(Fwd),Josh Watts(Def),Trent west(Ruck),Jackson Paine,Reuben William,Justin Clarke,Sam Skinner
Carlton
Billy Gowers(Def),Bradley Walsh(Mid),Jayden Foster(Fwd),Cameron Wood(Ruck),Dennis Armfield(Fwd/Mid),Jesse Glass-McCasker,Andrew Gallucci,Matt Korcheck,Kristian Jacksch,Liam Jones
Collingwood
Brenden Abbott(Fwd),Mason Cox(Ruck/Fwd),Lachlan Keefee,Tim Golds,Darren Wyatt,Rupert Wills,Alan Toovey,Jesse White
Essendon
Jake Long(Def),Anthony McDonald,Tom Wallis,Michael Hartley,James Gwilt,Will Hams
Fremantle
Sean Hurley(Def),Tanner Smith(Def),Alex Silvagni(Def),Matthew Uebergang,Ryan Nyhuis,Josh Deluca-Cardillo,Samuel Collins,Shane Yarran,Zac Dawson,Max Duffy
Geelong
Tom Read(Fwd/Ruck),Padraig Lucey(Ruck),Jordan Cunico(Mid),Michael Luxford(Fwd),Tom Lonergan(Def),Josh Cowan(Mid),Lincoln McCarthy(Fwd),James Parsons,Tom Ruggles,Ryan Gardner,Matthew Hayball,Zac Bates,Billie Smedts
Gold Coast
Keegan Brooksby(Ruck),Henry Schade(Def),Jack Leslie(Def),Tom Keough,Darcy MacPherson,Ryan Davis,Cameron Loersch,Danny Stanley,Jesse Joyce,Seb Tape
GWS
Tim Mohr(Def),Dylan Addison(Fwd),Sam Schulz(Mid),Samuel Reid,Daniel Lloyd,Matthew Flynn,Dawson Simpson
Hawthorn
Jermaine Miller-Lewis(Fwd),Lachlan Langford(Fwd),Kurt Heatherley(Def),Dallas Willsmore(Fwd),Ben Stratton(Def),Shem Tatupu(Fwd),Luke Surman,Kade Stewart,Conor Glass,Matthew Spangher,Tim O'Brien
Melbourne
Neville Jetta(Def),Colin Garland(Def),Jayden Hunt(Mid),Joel Smith,Mitch King,Liam Hulett
North Melbourne
Braydon Preuss(Ruck),Wil Fordham(Mid),Daniel Nielson(Def),Michael Firrito(Def),Lindsay Thomas(Fwd),Robin Nahas(Fwd),Joel Tippett(Def),Farren Ray,Majak Daw
Port Adelaide
Nathan Krakouer(Mid/Fwd),Dougal Howard(Fwd),Logan Austin(Def),Jesse Palmer(Fwd),Billy Frampton(Ruck),Jackson Trengove(Def),Tom Clurey(Def),John Butcher(Fwd),Darcy Byrne-Jones(Def),Cameron Hewett,Dan Houston,Alipate Carlile
Richmond
Jayden Short(Mid),Ivan Soldo(Ruck),Daniel Butler(Mid),Reece McKenzie(Fwd),David Astbury(Def),Todd Elton(Fwd),Liam McBean(Fwd),Callum Moore,Mabior Chol
St Kilda
Brenton Payne(Mid),Lewis Pierce(Ruck),Sean Dempster(Def),Tom Lee(Fwd),Nicholas Coughlan,Darren Michington
Sydney
Sean McLaren(Fwd/Ruck),Nic Newman(Def),Lewis Melican(Def),Jordan Foote(Mid),James Rose(Fwd),Jack Hiscox(Mid),Aliir Aliir(Def),Tom Papley,Harrison Marsh,Kyle Galloway,Samuel Murray,Colin O'Riordan.Jordan Dawson
West Coast
Patrick Brophy(Mid),Patrick McGinnity(Fwd/Mid),Tom Barrass(Def),Jamie Bennell(Def),Will Schofield(Def)
Kane Lucas(Mid),Simon Tunbridge,Kurt Mutimer,Matthew Allen
Western Bulldogs
Roarke Smith(Def),Zaine Cordy(Def),Dale Morris(Def),Joel Hamling(Def),Bradley Lynch,Luke Goetz,Jed Adcock
Quote from: R.Griffen on January 12, 2016, 04:47:32 PM
Everyone should get top up players for the players they are losing. It's known before the season that these players are unable to play which gives us the time to make a decision. I don't see the point of teams having less players on their squad when we know top up players are being used
Just added a couple more points in regards to coaches who don't wish to top up their teams via the mini draft
Trying to cover every foreseeable angle and will be constantly updating the OP as more ideas/suggestions come through
If a team does not wish to top up the players before the season. They shouldn't be able to unless it's in the mid season draft. It's their own fault thinking their team has enough depth
Affected teams
Jobe Watson - LA
Dyson Heppell - Hawaii
Cale Hooker - Pirates
Michael Hurley - LA
Tom Bellchambers - Nicaragua
Heath Hocking - Pirates
Travis Colyer - El Paso
Michael Hibberd - Sprignfield
Ben Howlett - Nicaragua
David Myers - LA
Brent Stanton - Hawaii
Tayte Pears - Arizona
Jake Carlisle - El Paso
Patrick Ryder - Washington
Stewart Crameri - Nicaragua
Jake Melksham - Pirates
Angus Monfries - Arizona
Have come up with a possible draft order,please discuss this as it is not set in stone just yet.
It involved using players averages from last season,age of players,position value,how losing this player for the season affects each team
1.Dyson Heppell- Hawaii (mid only)
2.Michael Hurley - Los Angeles (def only)
3.Cale Hooker - Guadalajara (def,fwd or def/fwd)
4.Michael Hibberd - Springfield (def only)
5.Jobe Watson - Los Angeles (mid only)
6.Brent Stanton - Hawaii (mid only)
7.Ben Howlett - Nicaragua (mid,fwd or mid/fwd)
8.Patrick Ryder - Washington (ruck,fwd or ruck/fwd)
9.Jake Carlisle - El Paso (def,fwd or def/fwd)
10.Jake Melksham - Guadalajara (mid only)
11.Travis Colyer - El Paso (fwd only)
12.Stewart Crameri - Nicaragua ( fwd only)
13.Angus Monfires - Arizona (fwd only)
14.Tom Bellchambers - Nicaragua (ruck only)
15.Heath Hocking - Guadalajara (mid only)
16.David Myers - Los Angeles (mid only)
17.Tatye Pears - Arizona (def only)
Hocking/Melksham (both on par imo) were basically starters in our 18 where we don't have great mid depth, but I'm not gonna worry about it too much because that ranking list is fairly spot on.
losing 3 forwards really hurts me
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 12, 2016, 07:32:21 PM
losing 3 forwards really hurts me
I can probably swap Ryder and Howlett around since Washington also has Blicavs in their ruck as well as Currie and Phillips so you can get first pick for another forward since is probably fair if we do the draft like for like players
Happy with all this. Just as long as the delisting is overturned at season end. Wouldn't want to give up a player for a short term fix.
Quote from: T Dog on January 12, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
Happy with all this. Just as long as the delisting is overturned at season end. Wouldn't want to give up a player for a short term fix.
It's technically not a delisting but yeah everyone will be able to trade or do whatever with their original player at the end of the season as they will be still/back on their team list
Quote from: LF on January 12, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
Quote from: T Dog on January 12, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
Happy with all this. Just as long as the delisting is overturned at season end. Wouldn't want to give up a player for a short term fix.
It's technically not a delisting but yeah everyone will be able to trade or do whatever with their original player at the end of the season as they will be still/back on their team list
All good thank you
Just need coaches to post their preferences from the list of points in the OP now so we can decide all the rules for how this will end up working.
Can add to things if you want as well.
yeah, going to need to try and replace these guys somehow? :(
Quote from: LF on January 12, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 12, 2016, 07:32:21 PM
losing 3 forwards really hurts me
I can probably swap Ryder and Howlett around since Washington also has Blicavs in their ruck as well as Currie and Phillips so you can get first pick for another forward since is probably fair if we do the draft like for like players
That is understandable, especially when a team gets decimated in one position
Wowee Heppell and Stanton fair to say my season is cooked.
When you're unaffected by the saga.
Despite losing Heppell and Stanton, I believe there should be no compo. We knew the risks, its like a player doing an ACL, shower happens.
Just need to move on and try cope the best we can.
Quote from: elephants on January 14, 2016, 02:38:42 PM
Despite losing Heppell and Stanton, I believe there should be no compo. We knew the risks, its like a player doing an ACL, shower happens.
Just need to move on and try cope the best we can.
would still trade in Heppell
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on January 14, 2016, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: elephants on January 14, 2016, 02:38:42 PM
Despite losing Heppell and Stanton, I believe there should be no compo. We knew the risks, its like a player doing an ACL, shower happens.
Just need to move on and try cope the best we can.
would still trade in Heppell
If I'm not copping filthy low-ball I'd consider ruining my man-crush
I've had another idea I am currently running by Atto to see what he thinks first before posting it up,entails a bit extra work for us but could work out better than compo picks
Ok so I've seen some comments in a couple of other comps about using last years avg which is no good imo.
So what I was thinking we can either use a players career average against that team for example Heppell v West Coast his avg is say 85 which will include vests etc or use say last 4 avg or whatever number of years we decide on and use that score instead of doing a mini draft for compo picks.
Due to these players having a predetermined score they cannot be used as C,VC or EVC tho
Please post feedback on this idea as we will be going with something to fix this,we honestly can't have teams short of players even tho we have decent size lists,last year was terrible for injuries and we need to be prepared just in case there is a repeat of it this year.
Makes the competition fairer too IMO.
I've just had an idea. Should this happen, since Dallas (my team) isn't affected by the saga, I could keep the scores to myself and then release what score you give the affected players during lockout to add to your team score at the end of lockout. Thoughts on that?
I really dislike that idea. The players average could be affected by just 1 good or bad game. Seems like if you had Zac Merrett and he scored a 30 because Essendon got smashed but you are playing someone with Watson who averages 100+ against that team. It just doesn't seem fair
Quote from: R.Griffen on January 14, 2016, 08:11:16 PM
I really dislike that idea. The players average could be affected by just 1 good or bad game. Seems like if you had Zac Merrett and he scored a 30 because Essendon got smashed but you are playing someone with Watson who averages 100+ against that team. It just doesn't seem fair
I can tell you now that I have checked Watson's career avg's v all teams and he has one team he avg'ed 106 and one 100 the rest are all below that with the lowest being 76
Brent Stanton has 4 career avg's of 104,105,107 and 100 v teams all the rest are under those lowest is 79
Dyson Heppell has 4 career avg's of 106,103,102 and 101 v teams all the rest are under those lowest is 85
Jake Melksham has a high of 78 and a low of 51
Michael Hibberd has a high of 96 and a low of 68
Michael Hurley has a high of 82 and a low of 50
Patrick Ryder has a high of 91 and a low of 63
and there are more of course but that's it for now and those avg's(all full career v their opponents) are fair enough to use without being over the top.
Nothing is finalised yet anyway there is no big rush yet just will keep ideas coming if anymore are thought of.
James Kelly playing for the Bombers is annoying considering i had him
+1 with Simpkin. >:( Great ball getter and dt'er when he plays, just not a very accurate kick so he didn't fit the Hawks game plan and wasn't re-drafted.
I don't think anyone should be compensated for 1 Essendon player on their team. If teams have multiple players, especially in the same position, then maybe a 'top up' player should be allowed just for this year but other than that we should all be able to cope with 1 out from 54 in our squad.
Quote from: Grannyboy on January 22, 2016, 12:09:56 PM
I don't think anyone should be compensated for 1 Essendon player on their team. If teams have multiple players, especially in the same position, then maybe a 'top up' player should be allowed just for this year but other than that we should all be able to cope with 1 out from 54 in our squad.
I agree, but at the same time I wouldn't mind getting the ruckman if essendon pick one up :P hahaha
Just waiting on all the top up players to be finalised in case anyone is wondering
Top up players so far
Simpkin
Jamar
Stokes
Kelly
Crowley
Matt Dea
Polkinghorne
Sam Grimley
Up to you guys involved in this mini draft,did you want to do this now or wait until after NAB challenge is finished
I'm not hugely fussed either way know who I'm taking at 1 and 5 already haha
Okay here we go, I'll take a bloke who I do rate as a footballer and I think will be a cracking pick for our fantasy teams this season.
Jon Simpkin!
grima
Not going for a top up player, but will instead grab a leftover who should still score decently which is what I need.
Jed Adcock.
Someone PM next please, on my phone.
Ill send GB a text
I think Sean Dempster is the obvious one for me.
Quote from: Grannyboy on February 24, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
I think Sean Dempster is the obvious one for me.
Was either him or Adcock, given I have Sam Fisher, maybe I should have taken Dempster instead. :P
james kelly
Matthew Stokes
ESSENDON has locked away its 10th and final top-up player after signing former Lions big man Sam Michael.
The 22-year-old ruck-forward has been training at Tullamarine in recent weeks and a fiercely competitive effort in last Friday's intraclub match helped Michael earn a second chance at AFL level.
Might have to wait n see what position they give him .. you would think it will be R/F but you never know with them.
Michael is ruck only so please continue with the draft :)
Matthew Stokes
lol, not sure if srs
oh i went straight to the front page didn't read all the comments
James Polkinghorne
Just halting the draft briefly due to Matthew Jaensch announcement and after discussing with Atto,we are going to allow FF to replace him before the draft goes any further along if he wishes to.
Darcy MacPherson please, bloody Jaensch :'(
Thanks FF
Draft can now continue think it's popes pick
Will update OP when I get home.
Sam Michael I guess
Matt Dea
He'll play and that's what I need, so Ryan Crowley.
On phone, someone pm next pls.
Quote from: Nige on February 27, 2016, 07:06:41 PM
He'll play and that's what I need, so Ryan Crowley.
On phone, someone pm next pls.
T Dog pm'ed
Lincoln McCarthy ;D
i'm passing
in protest cause i think it's dumb the only forwards left i want or are worth having happen to be R/F so yeah i cant take them just stupid
Did you read the op at all?
And you are not allowed to pass either every team has to pick a player for their list
whatever we take Liam McBean
only being able to take a fwd only is annoying when there are no fwd only top up players
Omg read the the op it says
If a top up player has dpp mid/fwd for example then he can replace either a mid or forward.
Oh well .. I guess ill take Sam Grimley
ok well sorry havent had much sleep last 24hrs so bit grumpy should of asked i guess oh well
Im going to assume you wanted Grimley, you can have him if you want and ill pick another player.
Quote from: Football Factory on February 28, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
Im going to assume you wanted Grimley, you can have him if you want and ill pick another player.
This will be fine KB if you want to change it
thanks for the gesture but i will take Mason Cox instead of McBean if i can then was my own dumb fault so u have Grimley
Okay, see what LF says
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 28, 2016, 12:55:55 PM
thanks for the gesture but i will take Mason Cox instead of McBean if i can then was my own dumb fault so u have Grimley
That's fine KB
So that means it's KB's pick again .. have messaged him
can i be a pain and make my last pick Anthony McDonald and this pick Mason Cox
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 28, 2016, 01:57:48 PM
can i be a pain and make my last pick Anthony McDonald and this pick Mason Cox
Now you're pushing it KB haha :P
Yeah that's fine
thanks and i messaged nige
Ryan Davis for me.
Someone pm next pls, on phone.
Quote from: Nige on February 28, 2016, 08:13:31 PM
Ryan Davis for me.
Someone pm next pls, on phone.
SR messaged
Tom Wallis
James Gwilt