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Title: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on December 16, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
Feel like this deserves it's own post because it's questioned quite heavily. That and i can't remember the last thread it was asked in :P

(http://i64.tinypic.com/25zi2r4.png)

Was kinda hoping it was a bit more to it than that, but there you go


Also this on some questionable ones

Champion Data AFL ‏@championdata
@FootyProphet Z.Merrett 42% forward, Montagna 37%, Sheed 35%.
Griffen 32% defence.
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 16, 2015, 03:02:29 PM
Nice to know man. So 35% is the magic number

So basically, Joey lines up at CHF and then charges into the square but because he started there it counts as forward

Seems a little flawed, but at least they've given an explanation
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on December 16, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 16, 2015, 03:02:29 PM
Nice to know man. So 35% is the magic number

So basically, Joey lines up at CHF and then charges into the square but because he started there it counts as forward

Seems a little flawed, but at least they've given an explanation
Yeh thought it was a lot more detailed than that. But yeh that's why Barlow got it as well.
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on December 16, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Also this

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Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Nige on December 16, 2015, 03:09:01 PM
I guess that's something to keep in mind for the future.
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on December 16, 2015, 03:31:01 PM
Here's some other players
Newnes 22% defence
PHanley 26% defence
Ziebell 18%
KStevens 26%
Ah Chee 31%
LJetta 20% defence, 43% on wing
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on December 16, 2015, 03:46:16 PM
And this on the "Goal Assist" theory

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Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: crowls on December 16, 2015, 11:44:57 PM
Thanks Rico.   Clears that up.   Just need to convince coaches to start players in back or fwd or mid depending on our SC needs.       Can you confirm this is not where they are named but where they line up?
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Grazz on December 16, 2015, 11:52:03 PM


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Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 17, 2015, 11:15:07 AM
Missed the OP did ya Grazzy? :P
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: GoLions on December 17, 2015, 11:55:39 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 17, 2015, 11:15:07 AM
Missed the OP did ya Grazzy? :P
Think he was just answering crowls' question ;)
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Grufflez on December 17, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
Wow great post ! i don't usually read twitter feeds ect so probably wouldn't have seen this otherwise, it's
nice to have a definitive answer rather than speculation on this, cheers Rico.
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Football Factory on December 17, 2015, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on December 16, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
Feel like this deserves it's own post because it's questioned quite heavily. That and i can't remember the last thread it was asked in :P

(http://i64.tinypic.com/25zi2r4.png)

Was kinda hoping it was a bit more to it than that, but there you go


Also this on some questionable ones

Champion Data AFL ‏@championdata
@FootyProphet Z.Merrett 42% forward, Montagna 37%, Sheed 35%.
Griffen 32% defence.

Think they need to change it to 30%  :)
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Grazz on December 17, 2015, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: GoLions on December 17, 2015, 11:55:39 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 17, 2015, 11:15:07 AM
Missed the OP did ya Grazzy? :P
Think he was just answering crowls' question ;)

Nailed it mate.  ;)
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Torpedo10 on July 28, 2016, 05:45:48 PM
This almost locks Bastinac in as Fwd/Mid.
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: RaisyDaisy on July 28, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on July 28, 2016, 05:45:48 PM
This almost locks Bastinac in as Fwd/Mid.

7 month bump just for irrelevant Bastinac? Hahaha nice one Torpy!
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on July 28, 2016, 07:43:29 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 28, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on July 28, 2016, 05:45:48 PM
This almost locks Bastinac in as Fwd/Mid.

7 month bump just for irrelevant Bastinac? Hahaha nice one Torpy!
Pretty sure he just read it after i reposted the link in worlds today mate
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Holz on July 29, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Im not a fan, to me where you win the ball surely is more important then where you line up.

If you start on the half forward flank run into the midfield then play there the game you are a midfielder in my eyes. If you line up on the wing but immediately drift forward get all of your ball close to the 50 or in the 50 and kick goals you are a forward.

Jack Gunston lines up in the forward 50 most of the game but drifts onto the wing. He is not a KPF like people think but a F/M
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on July 29, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Holz on July 29, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Im not a fan, to me where you win the ball surely is more important then where you line up.

If you start on the half forward flank run into the midfield then play there the game you are a midfielder in my eyes. If you line up on the wing but immediately drift forward get all of your ball close to the 50 or in the 50 and kick goals you are a forward.

Jack Gunston lines up in the forward 50 most of the game but drifts onto the wing. He is not a KPF like people think but a F/M
I disagree man.
CHFs and HFs that work up the ground and receive the ball through the middle are still FWDs
Mids that run fwd hard are still mids
Mids that role defensively are still mids

Its not 100% but where they start is far more accurate
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Holz on July 29, 2016, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 29, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Holz on July 29, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Im not a fan, to me where you win the ball surely is more important then where you line up.

If you start on the half forward flank run into the midfield then play there the game you are a midfielder in my eyes. If you line up on the wing but immediately drift forward get all of your ball close to the 50 or in the 50 and kick goals you are a forward.

Jack Gunston lines up in the forward 50 most of the game but drifts onto the wing. He is not a KPF like people think but a F/M
I disagree man.
CHFs and HFs that work up the ground and receive the ball through the middle are still FWDs
Mids that run fwd hard are still mids
Mids that role defensively are still mids

Its not 100% but where they start is far more accurate

Are we talking about different things though.

Monty lined up at half forward sprinted into the mid and picked up all his ball there. If you line up in the forward line but 80% of what you do is what every other mid does that what are you really.

Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on July 29, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: Holz on July 29, 2016, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 29, 2016, 12:55:14 PM
Quote from: Holz on July 29, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Im not a fan, to me where you win the ball surely is more important then where you line up.

If you start on the half forward flank run into the midfield then play there the game you are a midfielder in my eyes. If you line up on the wing but immediately drift forward get all of your ball close to the 50 or in the 50 and kick goals you are a forward.

Jack Gunston lines up in the forward 50 most of the game but drifts onto the wing. He is not a KPF like people think but a F/M
I disagree man.
CHFs and HFs that work up the ground and receive the ball through the middle are still FWDs
Mids that run fwd hard are still mids
Mids that role defensively are still mids

Its not 100% but where they start is far more accurate

Are we talking about different things though.

Monty lined up at half forward sprinted into the mid and picked up all his ball there. If you line up in the forward line but 80% of what you do is what every other mid does that what are you really.
You're still classed as a half fwd.

If not then all lead up fwds from half forward (including CHFs) will be mid only or mid/fwds which isnt right
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on November 18, 2016, 11:35:47 AM
So I also found out the other day that they include Finals when determining positions.
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: RaisyDaisy on November 18, 2016, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 18, 2016, 11:35:47 AM
So I also found out the other day that they include Finals when determining positions.

I was hoping that would be the case (Picken FWD DPP for WXV I hope!)
Title: Re: Champ Data answers how positions are awarded
Post by: Ricochet on November 18, 2016, 11:48:27 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 18, 2016, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on November 18, 2016, 11:35:47 AM
So I also found out the other day that they include Finals when determining positions.

I was hoping that would be the case (Picken FWD DPP for WXV I hope!)
Jake Lloyd more chance of being a defender too ;)