http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-16/goodes-to-play-reserves
Goodes has asked to play reserves rather than wear the vest two games in a row.
Seems like the game and our structures have passed him by, playing as the third tall option seems well within his capabilities for the year IMO, but also stunts a younger players development.
Sounding similar to O'Keefe?
Sooooo... Tom Mitchell in? :p
Quote from: elephants on April 16, 2015, 11:23:29 AM
Sooooo... Tom Mitchell in? :p
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Quote from: Ricochet on April 16, 2015, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: elephants on April 16, 2015, 11:23:29 AM
Sooooo... Tom Mitchell in? :p
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I'm reporting Sydney for blatant racism if T.Mitch is discriminated against one more time.
McGlynn is first in line before Mitchell. You'll just have to hope that one of Towers or Laidler gets dropped
Should of gone out on top. After Australian of the year ROFL!
How good would it be to be playing in the Swans 2s and get a game with Adam Goodes though. Those kids would not be getting any sleep the night before the game. Way to excited!!
I think McGlyyn gets the green this week in his return game
Yeah I reckon he probably should have finished up after last season.
Look at the O'Keefe situation as Rico mentioned could turn into to something similar with Goodes,you would hope not tho.I felt bad for O'Keefe last year.
Get the younger kids in and get some games into them.
He'd still be in the best 22 for most clubs which is a shame :(
Reckon he'll get at least one more game though
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 16, 2015, 04:05:19 PM
He'd still be in the best 22 for most clubs which is a shame :(
Reckon he'll get at least one more game though
Did O'Keefe?
I can't remember if he did or not.
Quote from: LF on April 16, 2015, 04:06:55 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 16, 2015, 04:05:19 PM
He'd still be in the best 22 for most clubs which is a shame :(
Reckon he'll get at least one more game though
Did O'Keefe?
I can't remember if he did or not.
Nope he got a lap around the ground and that was it.
O'Keefe did not
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 16, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
O'Keefe did not
Well hope they show Goodes some respect and at least give him one more if the plan is to phase him out I guess you could say
Quote from: LF on April 16, 2015, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 16, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
O'Keefe did not
Well hope they show Goodes some respect and at least give him one more if the plan is to phase him out I guess you could say
Yeah hopefully, I think there's a lot more openness about this scenario than with the O'Keefe one, as they were quiet about why he wasn't playing until very late in the season.
Quote from: LF on April 16, 2015, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on April 16, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
O'Keefe did not
Well hope they show Goodes some respect and at least give him one more if the plan is to phase him out I guess you could say
If they are going to do it i would prefer they either do it early in the year or the last game v Suns.
Either way they need to make it known early
2nds have been moved from the SCG to Tramway Oval. Will Goodes still play??
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2015-04-17/neafl-match-relocated
is this the end?
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Attentions been off of him for a few weeks so had to find a way to get back into it.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodes-puts-hand-between-legs-of-richmonds-taylor-hunt/story-fni5f22o-1227417503604
yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
slow afl news day obviously
Haven't heard anything about the Elbow of Gordon hitting KJack flush in the jaw during the game
Thats the AVFL for you
Well in reality, a public AFL figure groping someones jewels is a bit more newsworthy than an arm to the jaw in a footy match.
Quote from: elephants on June 29, 2015, 04:05:52 PM
Well in reality, a public AFL figure groping someones jewels is a bit more newsworthy than an arm to the jaw in a footy match.
didnt even grope them though.
There was nothing wrong with that arm/elbow to the jaw.
Nathan Gordon cleared contact Kieren Jack â€" Panel said glancing contact was made and force used was not sufficient for a report.
Dear GWS ,
Sharpen those elbows
Cheers
Your Brothers in red and white
Whatever mate, just cop the loss and stop having a whinge.
Buddy very lucky to only get one week.
I hate Goodes as much as the next person, but I even have to say after seeing the footage there was nothing there, just grasping at straws and freeze framing it and the right point. Hunt never even reacted to it.
As for Buddy and Tippett...reminds me of when Barry Hall got reinstated to play the grand final in 2005...absolute joke.
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 29, 2015, 04:23:30 PM
I hate Goodes as much as the next person, but I even have to say after seeing the footage there was nothing there, just grasping at straws and freeze framing it and the right point. Hunt never even reacted to it.
As for Buddy and Tippett...reminds me of when Barry Hall got reinstated to play the grand final in 2005...absolute joke.
Then why say what you said in the deleted post??
Everyone is still scratching their head about barry hall and even Roo's brownlow
haha, that was nothing. Man if you freeze framed everything I did in a sport I'd probs have some gropage as well.
there was intent and there was contact, has to be a no go zone :-X
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 30, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
there was intent and there was contact, has to be a no go zone :-X
there was no intent or contact, watch the footage
Quote from: Capper on June 30, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 30, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
there was intent and there was contact, has to be a no go zone :-X
there was no intent or contact, watch the footage
i have, he clearly pulled up on it at the end but he still made contact, needs to be a no go zone
Quote from: Capper on June 29, 2015, 06:31:40 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on June 29, 2015, 04:23:30 PM
I hate Goodes as much as the next person, but I even have to say after seeing the footage there was nothing there, just grasping at straws and freeze framing it and the right point. Hunt never even reacted to it.
As for Buddy and Tippett...reminds me of when Barry Hall got reinstated to play the grand final in 2005...absolute joke.
Then why say what you said in the deleted post??
Everyone is still scratching their head about barry hall and even Roo's brownlow
Not sure what I said in the deleted post, but I prob hadn't seen the actual video yet. Hard not to assume something of someone considering their history.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 30, 2015, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: Capper on June 30, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on June 30, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
there was intent and there was contact, has to be a no go zone :-X
there was no intent or contact, watch the footage
i have, he clearly pulled up on it at the end but he still made contact, needs to be a no go zone
Kidding me :-X
No intent at all.
They are saying Goodes is thinking about bowing out because of the booing , I for one hope he does because this massive chip on his shoulders is not only affecting him but the game as a whole , the fact that this is being labeled racist makes me sick in the guts and how politically correctness has got out of control , bye bye Adam go and enjoy your life and stop thinking that the world is against you
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onya' Al, sorry I mean Shakes, ya gotya' wish!
The AFL media and everyone in the AFL have made such a point of this being a racist issue for some reason. It is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.
Goodes has officially tarnished his name which is a real shame because he's clearly one of the games greatest ever players but will now be remembered for this rubbish rather than his incredible career by a lot of people
wake up, mate. do you honestly think that these idiots are still excessively booing him because of a free kick, staging, etc., years ago...
why isn't Lindsay Thomas ridiculously booed every week? because he isn't visible, he doesn't confront Australia and say things it doesn't want to hear... people are conditioned and expect Aboriginals to be invisible, stay hidden and keep quiet.
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on July 30, 2015, 10:26:48 AM
wake up, mate. do you honestly think that these idiots are still excessively booing him because of a free kick, staging, etc., years ago...
why isn't Lindsay Thomas ridiculously booed every week? because he isn't visible, he doesn't confront Australia and say things it doesn't want to hear... people are conditioned and expect Aboriginals to be invisible, stay hidden and keep quiet.
How many people have been kicked out for racist remarks?
How many people boo each week?
IF a majority of those booing were racist then there would also be plenty of racial abuse yelled.
Not all those would get reported, but plenty still would
so surely there would be a lot more people kicked out from games...
I hate that the booing is immediately tied to racism. It's not. Maybe for the small % of racists out there, they are a minority
BUT the booing has now become a form of bullying and is affecting a person mentally.
So for Goodes' mental health lets stop booing him, let the real racists stand out and lets get back to the footy.
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on July 30, 2015, 10:26:48 AM
wake up, mate. do you honestly think that these idiots are still excessively booing him because of a free kick, staging, etc., years ago...
why isn't Lindsay Thomas ridiculously booed every week? because he isn't visible, he doesn't confront Australia and say things it doesn't want to hear... people are conditioned and expect Aboriginals to be invisible, stay hidden and keep quiet.
I've boo'd him ever since he flat out bullied a 14 yr old girl because she called him a gorilla (oh how racist of her!), and I will most likely continue to boo him (in the comfort of my home, I've never been too a Sydney game) for that reason. I boo Lindsay Thomas too, because he's a flog as well. Same with Brent Harvey (Not as much anymore) , Travis Cloke, Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell. I'm not racist, I just hate snipers and over reacting dickheads.
ha ha, flat out bullied, what a joke... at what age do you call out a racist? is 14 ok, but 13 not?
i don't blame her, what was her grandmother doing... reading her mother's comments today, what chance has she got?
it's embarrassing and laughable that Australians like you, still need it pointed out and explained to them, in the most simplest terms, when they are being racist, what is racist, etc.
hopefully you'll grow up one date, mate.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on July 30, 2015, 10:44:24 AM
I've boo'd him ever since he flat out bullied a 14 yr old girl because she called him a gorilla (oh how racist of her!), and I will most likely continue to boo him (in the comfort of my home, I've never been too a Sydney game) for that reason.
He fronted media and said the girl should be supported and not vilified when the world turned on her, how the heck can you make the statement that he bullied her? Just because he had her ejected when she made a racist comment? So she's racist, he stands up to it, and he's the bully because it turned out she was a young girl? That's a bizarre perspective to have on it.
"But she didn't know calling him an ape was racist". Ok. Maybe she didn't. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WASN'T RACIST, AND THAT DOESN'T SUDDENLY MAKE IT OK. I can't just go around calling everyone a cow, and then when someone is offended cop out and say I didn't realise how they would react to it and expect the world to be ok again.
Goodes wasn't taking a stand against a girl, he was taking a stand against racism. Which is exactly why he came out and said that the girl shouldn't be attacked, and that the problem was that she didn't even know how offensive she was being. And it boggles my mind that people can't get that. Ignorance is not an excuse for racism. The main problem being that racism is quite deeply steeped in ignorance. It's not about Goodes calling out some 13 year old girl. It's about the attitudes and behaviours that led to that happening, and how totally unacceptable they are. Totally unacceptable. That means there is no mitigating circumstance for age or gender or colour, anything.
Waleed Aly on 'Offsiders'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeBu735nFYw
'Utopia'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfzsZm09WE
Probs gonna start booing Goodes because the barbie has clogged up my newsfeed this week.
If this booing is racist why do players like Cyril get applauded , because he is not a massive flog like Goodes he is just not a very likable player like others players before him they get booed , this has got way out of hand because Goodes the media and the AFL has thrown the word racism in there :o
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2015, 11:59:12 AM
If this booing is racist why do players like Cyril get applauded , because he is not a massive flog like Goodes he is just not a very likable player like others players before him they get booed , this has got way out of hand because Goodes the media and the AFL has thrown the word racism in there :o
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2015, 11:59:12 AM
If this booing is racist why do players like Cyril get applauded , because he is not a massive flog like Goodes he is just not a very likable player like others players before him they get booed , this has got way out of hand because Goodes the media and the AFL has thrown the word racism in there :o
mate, how can you not get it? if Cyril was visible, confronting and stood up for his people, he wouldn't be liked... mind-boggling!
we like our Indigenous Australians to act the way we want them to, and if they don't, then look out... "oi, easy mate. know your place, son."
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2015, 11:59:12 AM
If this booing is racist why do players like Cyril get applauded , because he is not a massive flog like Goodes he is just not a very likable player like others players before him they get booed , this has got way out of hand because Goodes the media and the AFL has thrown the word racism in there :o
One player NOT being racially attacked (and I'll bet dollars to donuts he has been anyway) does not mean that there is not a racial issue here. If the booing is NOT racist (or at least in part racially motivated) then why has it been continuous, and why aren't other players booed to a similar extent? I understand booing when someone throws a cheap shot or milks a free or any other niggly play, but it's booed at the time in that game. Not continuously over multiple games by multiple sets of opponents.
Goodes has made a lot of very strong comments about Australian culture and governance and beliefs which I totally understand puts some people off side (Australia day is invasion day, the contitution is racist etc) and has led people to say he is Un-Australian etc etc. I accept that there are people who will be booing him with no racial motivation. I'm not suggesting that booing him is inherently racist. But the problem is that there are people booing him because of his race and/or his stand against racism, and as a by-product of that ANY booing of him gives that traction. There's plenty of other (and infinitely more productive) ways to express disagreement with his views then booing him on field.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on July 30, 2015, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2015, 11:59:12 AM
If this booing is racist why do players like Cyril get applauded , because he is not a massive flog like Goodes he is just not a very likable player like others players before him they get booed , this has got way out of hand because Goodes the media and the AFL has thrown the word racism in there :o
So you've quoted this right after you said yourself:
Quote from: Pkbaldy on July 30, 2015, 10:44:24 AM
I've boo'd him ever since he flat out bullied a 14 yr old girl because she called him a gorilla (oh how racist of her!), and I will most likely continue to boo him (in the comfort of my home, I've never been too a Sydney game) for that reason.
So your justification for booing him is that you find him dislikable because in your eyes he bullied a young girl. Which by default suggests he should have just left it alone. So racism should be tolerated up to a certain age? Or is it an age differential, because he's older than her so he should have just worn it? At what point for you does making a racist comment become not acceptable?
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on July 30, 2015, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 30, 2015, 11:59:12 AM
If this booing is racist why do players like Cyril get applauded , because he is not a massive flog like Goodes he is just not a very likable player like others players before him they get booed , this has got way out of hand because Goodes the media and the AFL has thrown the word racism in there :o
mate, how can you not get it? if Cyril was visible, confronting and stood up for his people, he wouldn't be liked... mind-boggling!
we like our Indigenous Australians to act the way we want them to, and if they don't, then look out... "oi, easy mate. know your place, son."
No not mind boggling that's just how you see it I see it different you are pretty handy at putting up photos suggesting I'm a racist I myself try not to insult fellow members , it is a overreaction to whats happening IMO but that is just my opinion lets just ban booing in all forms of sport including at umpires who cop it week in week out there whole careers and we will just sit there quietly like nice little politically correct vegies
ironic... that's exactly what you expect of Goodes
I just thought there was 100 different and more effective ways to sort out the situation with the girl who called him a Gorilla. Didn't have to stop and point her out for the entire nation to see. All he had to do was go up to her himself, with a couple of minutes of the game to go (put himself on the bench) and have a chat to her and clearly her mother or whoever she was mimicking about what she had done wrong.
As for hating Goodes because he is defending 'his people', why does everyone respect and love Winmar for what he done? Yet hate Goodes? Maybe because he's a flog.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on July 30, 2015, 03:15:11 PM
I just thought there was 100 different and more effective ways to sort out the situation with the girl who called him a Gorilla. Didn't have to stop and point her out for the entire nation to see. All he had to do was go up to her himself, with a couple of minutes of the game to go (put himself on the bench) and have a chat to her and clearly her mother or whoever she was mimicking about what she had done wrong.
As for hating Goodes because he is defending 'his people', why does everyone respect and love Winmar for what he done? Yet hate Goodes? Maybe because he's a flog.
Everyone loves Winmar now but hated him when he played. Its because people have looked back on that situation and said what fools we were.
As for the 13 yo girl, well her mother should take a look at herself for a second. She let security take her child away and she didnt give a shower. I would have thought that she would have got someone to go with her to make sure she was ok.
Let me ask you all this question
Would you boo Thurston or Thaiday??
no one should ever boo Thurston ;D
Quote from: Bill Manspeaker on July 30, 2015, 06:39:14 PM
no one should ever boo Thurston ;D
HE used to play for the Bulldogs and do you know why he doesnt any more??
I will give you a hint, it includes the bulldogs paying hush money to a couple of assaulted females after a trip to Coffs
And yet he can still come out and support Goodes
Quote from: Pkbaldy on July 30, 2015, 03:15:11 PM
I just thought there was 100 different and more effective ways to sort out the situation with the girl who called him a Gorilla. Didn't have to stop and point her out for the entire nation to see. All he had to do was go up to her himself, with a couple of minutes of the game to go (put himself on the bench) and have a chat to her and clearly her mother or whoever she was mimicking about what she had done wrong.
As for hating Goodes because he is defending 'his people', why does everyone respect and love Winmar for what he done? Yet hate Goodes? Maybe because he's a flog.
You do understand that you're victim blaming, right? You can say whatever you like about the age difference or whatever, the girl made a racist remark. Fact. At that point in time, she is the perpetrator, regardless of her age, gender, race, because what she said was racist. And I don't for a second believe that taking 5 minutes at the end of the game to sidle up to them and say "you know that's not on, right?" would have done anything. He made a stand, and people took notice.
Look past the incident itself, at what it says: This was a 13 year old girl, in 2013, who called an Aboriginal player an ape, which she probably learned from 'role models' around her. Which means either a) she didn't realise that there was a racial undertone to that particular insult; or b) she did and she wasn't against saying it anyway, and that c) it was prevalent enough around her for her to use that particular term. In this day and age, none of those are ok, though (a) obviously caries less malice. However if we're trying to say that the continued booing is as a result of that incident, then where was it in the remainder of 2013 and in 2014? Is it just a coincidence that it's hugely picked up since he did a war dance toward the crowd in indigenous round? If he's beeing booed purely because "he's a flog" and it's nothing to do with his race, why aren't players like Stevie J, Joel Selwood, Luke Hodge, Boomer Harvey all booed continuously by every other club in the competition? They're all great players, they're all club champions, and they're all guilty of 'creative' play too. People boo them, sure, but only at the time of the incident. Not rounds after.
Yes, the racists are only a section of the people who boo. They may even be only a minority. But I find that hard to believe given the particular targeting of Goodes over other players, particularly given when it started. But hey, let's imagine that is the case. That still means anyone booing gives the racists a wall to hide behind.
Perhaps my perspective is just drastically different on this. As the username suggests, I'm a New Zealander. I grew up being taught in schools about Maori culture and traditions. I understand that the Maori haka is much more than a war dance. It's a sign of pride, respect, identity, and I think that's awesome. And there's signs of all of this across many different indigenous cultures - the pacific islands all have similar traditions, as do Aboriginal Australians. They're all different in how they do their individual traditions, but they all do them. I just think they're embraced differently. You go to any international Rugby match, heck yes we're doing a haka. And occasionally it's a little bit more intimidating with throat slitting gestures and we get asked to tone it down a notch. Ok, fair enough. But that culture is part of our national identity. I don't believe I've ever seen a proud, regular display of Aboriginal culture at any international events Australia participates in... Then Goodes does a war dance (I'm sure there's a better indigenous term for that too, just as a haka is not just a war dance) DURING INDIGENOUS ROUND, and what's the reaction to it? Says it all really.
And funnily enough after I mention a few players I see this on my facebook feed:
https://www.facebook.com/thatguywhorants/posts/1114357908592264:0
"Some people say they boo him because of his style of play: he's flamboyant, he "stages" for free kicks, and let's not forget that he celebrates goals in an indigenous manner during rounds specifically set out to celebrate indigenous culture. In Aussie terms, they boo him because "he's a flog". But the game is rife with players who do exactly these things, and those players don't get booed. Hayden Ballantyne of the Fremantle Dockers is one of the most hated football players in the entire AFL, and he doesn't get booed. Joel Selwood, Brent Harvey, Jack Riewoldt, Luke Hodge, Dustin Martin, none of them get booed either despite displaying the same sort of antics on a regular basis. Why do you suppose that is?"
If you read the whole post it's quite interesting. Granted there's some inaccuracies but if you focus on the message...
Quote from: GCSkiwi on July 31, 2015, 08:11:33 AM
And funnily enough after I mention a few players I see this on my facebook feed:
https://www.facebook.com/thatguywhorants/posts/1114357908592264:0
"Some people say they boo him because of his style of play: he's flamboyant, he "stages" for free kicks, and let's not forget that he celebrates goals in an indigenous manner during rounds specifically set out to celebrate indigenous culture. In Aussie terms, they boo him because "he's a flog". But the game is rife with players who do exactly these things, and those players don't get booed. Hayden Ballantyne of the Fremantle Dockers is one of the most hated football players in the entire AFL, and he doesn't get booed. Joel Selwood, Brent Harvey, Jack Riewoldt, Luke Hodge, Dustin Martin, none of them get booed either despite displaying the same sort of antics on a regular basis. Why do you suppose that is?"
If you read the whole post it's quite interesting. Granted there's some inaccuracies but if you focus on the message...
I've read this article and many more.
I believe SOME booers are racially motivated and I can't condemn them enough for that. However, some Carlton supporters are probably booing because of the spear throwing thing, not for the racial component but because he went over to them and taunted them. A struggling club having the opposing team's success rubbed in their face will incite boos. It's showmanship on Goodes' part; what did he expect? Goodes does stage for free kicks instead of getting on with the game too; a quality lots of us don't like. (We hate watching the soccer players rolling around)
To call all booers booing Goodes racist is small minded and baffling.
However, the continued booing needs to stop. We now know it's affecting Goodes mentally and he can't cope. That makes the booing a form of bullying. We love this guy for what he's done for the game and what he's done as an Australian. It's time to restore some faith.
Indigenous dance, during Indigenous Round, how dare he...
"jesus, we gave em' their own round and jumper, bloody hell, what more do they want? wish he'd just shut up, like the rest of em'!"
"oi, know ya' place, champ, buddy, sport..."
what kind of person boos at a game of footy... immature? uneducated?
Quote from: Donnie Brasco on July 31, 2015, 10:27:32 AM
what kind of person boos at a game of footy... immature? uneducated?
Umm, a majority of the population? Have you ever been to a game of footy and heard what the umpires cop?
Booing and cheering is apart of the game. There is absolutely no reason to stop it in general.
But for Goodes, we now have to because it's affecting him mentally. And it wouldn't be any different if he was white. We need to show a bit of compassion now
Quote from: PICCOLLO on July 31, 2015, 09:52:17 AM
To call all booers booing Goodes racist is small minded and baffling.
I don't think anyone is actually doing this, the problem is the head-in-sand approach being taken that there isn't ANY racist booing.
Quote from: PICCOLLO on July 31, 2015, 09:52:17 AM
However, some Carlton supporters are probably booing because of the spear throwing thing, not for the racial component but because he went over to them and taunted them. A struggling club having the opposing team's success rubbed in their face will incite boos. It's showmanship on Goodes' part; what did he expect?
As I tried to highlight above, it is a matter of perspective. You call it a taunt because that's how you frame it mentally, if you were to kick a goal against an opposing team and run over to their spectators, it would be as a taunting gesture. I have no doubt that played a part in what Goodes did, but I also have no doubt it was not his sole motivation. He was showing pride in his culture. Similarly when Jetta did it on the weekend, it was to show support and respect for his friend. There's a raft of motivations for these displays, and it's not always the most immediately obvious one. But still, fair enough for the Carlton supporters to boo him. Then. There. What's been everyone else's excuse since?
Quote from: PICCOLLO on July 31, 2015, 09:52:17 AMGoodes does stage for free kicks instead of getting on with the game too; a quality lots of us don't like. (We hate watching the soccer players rolling around)
Ok, again though he's not alone in that, but he is alone in the level of reaction it's generated. Other players get booed in isolation for particular events. Goodes is being harassed. Is he that much worse than others who do the same thing?
Quote from: PICCOLLO on July 31, 2015, 09:52:17 AM
However, the continued booing needs to stop. We now know it's affecting Goodes mentally and he can't cope. That makes the booing a form of bullying. We love this guy for what he's done for the game and what he's done as an Australian. It's time to restore some faith.
Exactly, and it's that mentality that more people need to adopt. Whether we want to call it racist or not, it's still gone too far for whatever reason. It's personal, it's not about his gameplay any more (because I accept for some that is all it's about), people are playing the man and not the ball now.
Quote from: Ricochet on July 31, 2015, 10:39:22 AM
Booing and cheering is apart of the game. There is absolutely no reason to stop it in general.
But for Goodes, we now have to because it's affecting him mentally. And it wouldn't be any different if he was white. We need to show a bit of compassion now
I agree. I don't think you should (or even can) ban booing. But at some stage you have to draw a line under something and let it go, that doesn't seem to have happened for Goodes.
Quote from: PICCOLLO on July 31, 2015, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on July 31, 2015, 08:11:33 AM
And funnily enough after I mention a few players I see this on my facebook feed:
https://www.facebook.com/thatguywhorants/posts/1114357908592264:0
"Some people say they boo him because of his style of play: he's flamboyant, he "stages" for free kicks, and let's not forget that he celebrates goals in an indigenous manner during rounds specifically set out to celebrate indigenous culture. In Aussie terms, they boo him because "he's a flog". But the game is rife with players who do exactly these things, and those players don't get booed. Hayden Ballantyne of the Fremantle Dockers is one of the most hated football players in the entire AFL, and he doesn't get booed. Joel Selwood, Brent Harvey, Jack Riewoldt, Luke Hodge, Dustin Martin, none of them get booed either despite displaying the same sort of antics on a regular basis. Why do you suppose that is?"
If you read the whole post it's quite interesting. Granted there's some inaccuracies but if you focus on the message...
I've read this article and many more.
I believe SOME booers are racially motivated and I can't condemn them enough for that. However, some Carlton supporters are probably booing because of the spear throwing thing, not for the racial component but because he went over to them and taunted them. A struggling club having the opposing team's success rubbed in their face will incite boos. It's showmanship on Goodes' part; what did he expect? Goodes does stage for free kicks instead of getting on with the game too; a quality lots of us don't like. (We hate watching the soccer players rolling around)
To call all booers booing Goodes racist is small minded and baffling.
However, the continued booing needs to stop. We now know it's affecting Goodes mentally and he can't cope. That makes the booing a form of bullying. We love this guy for what he's done for the game and what he's done as an Australian. It's time to restore some faith.
I don't think there is a single person who would disagree with those 2 highlighed points. The media are the ones to blame for this getting out of hand calling the boos racist when they have no idea, but everyone against Goodes has no idea if the boos are in fact racist so everyone just needs to move on. Like I said before, it would be something for Goodes to come out and just say the boos are racist to him and it's affecting his mental health, respect would be returned and he'd go on with no more boos, I believe that.
Anyone read the commetrary from Dallas Scott, can't find a link, but it's posted via his facebook page. 100% agree with this guy and it's why Goodes annoys the hell ou of me.
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 31, 2015, 11:49:16 AM
Anyone read the commetrary from Dallas Scott, can't find a link, but it's posted via his facebook page. 100% agree with this guy and it's why Goodes annoys the hell ou of me.
http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html (http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html)
This was written last year about "apegate", the last paragraph will resonant with a lot of people
http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html (http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html)
This is from Wednesday, gotta love The Simpson reference :)
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 31, 2015, 11:49:16 AM
Anyone read the commetrary from Dallas Scott, can't find a link, but it's posted via his facebook page. 100% agree with this guy and it's why Goodes annoys the hell ou of me.
http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html (http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html)
This was written last year about "apegate", the last paragraph will resonant with a lot of people
http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html (http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html)
This is from Wednesday, gotta love The Simpson reference :)
The main part to takeaway.
"As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life. "
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 31, 2015, 12:27:33 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on July 31, 2015, 11:49:16 AM
Anyone read the commetrary from Dallas Scott, can't find a link, but it's posted via his facebook page. 100% agree with this guy and it's why Goodes annoys the hell ou of me.
http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html (http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/adam-goodes-ensuring-racism-as-sport.html)
This was written last year about "apegate", the last paragraph will resonant with a lot of people
http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html (http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html)
This is from Wednesday, gotta love The Simpson reference :)
The main part to takeaway.
"As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life. "
Spot on you see it the same as me others don't and that is ok we all don't have to agree , some who boo may be racist I don't know but the majority of them I think are just sick of his whinging and the fact him using the word racist has set off a nasty situation all because of booing , this is only going to increase the booing and he must know that ? so suck it up Adam block the booing out stop whinging and play footy or quit and follow your cause away from the football field
Adam Goodes recently admitted to being affected by boos, I think it was a couple of months ago? Now since then, his level of boos has increased. I believe it has a lot to do with that point, if he doesn't like it, then people will do it to annoy him. If a player that people liked (Say Rory Sloane) came out and said he didn't like people whistling during the game, people will whistle when he gets the ball to put him off. A crowd is there to help their team, and that includes hurting the opposition. In saying that I have some issues with booing the opposition, like why they get booed when they run onto the ground before the match. During the match fair enough, but before the game come on.
Back to the point though, if Adam Goodes is of the impression that the negative attention he attracts is racially motivated, it has to stop, and stop now.
I think Damien Hardwick hit the nail on the head, at best it's bullying and at worst it's racism. Either way it needs to stop.
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on August 01, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
I think Damien Hardwick hit the nail on the head, at best it's bullying and at worst it's racism. Either way it needs to stop.
Exactly right!
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2015, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on August 01, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
I think Damien Hardwick hit the nail on the head, at best it's bullying and at worst it's racism. Either way it needs to stop.
Exactly right!
agreed it is bullying!
i dislike the word racist being used, it divides everyone, the definition of racism by the nation, the world in general is what needs to be addressed correctly.
There was a poll in the paper that 78% of the nation as a whole thought it wasnt racist.
The question should have been
how many of you think you are racist? The vast majority do not think they are, steps can be then taken as a whole nation to make the necessary adjustments to better understand together, not point fingers argue and divide :-X
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on August 02, 2015, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2015, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on August 01, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
I think Damien Hardwick hit the nail on the head, at best it's bullying and at worst it's racism. Either way it needs to stop.
Exactly right!
agreed it is bullying!
i dislike the word racist being used, it divides everyone, the definition of racism by the nation, the world in general is what needs to be addressed correctly.
There was a poll in the paper that 78% of the nation as a whole thought it wasnt racist.
The question should have been how many of you think you are racist?
The vast majority do not think they are, steps can be then taken as a whole nation to make the necessary adjustments to better understand together, not point fingers argue and divide :-X
I'd be interested to see if that statistic changes if you polled minorities who are actually subjugated to racism.
I think GCSkiwi summed it up pretty well for the large part- it's one thing to boo a player when they commit a certain act, but it's another thing to begin to systematically boo and harrass a player 'coincidentally' after they publicise their opinions on indigenous issues.
Maybe a lot of the booing isn't racially motivated- people are just doing it because they've never liked goodes as a player, and now they have the option to constantly voice that opinion alongside the masses. But I think the reason why they have that option is because there is a significant portion of booers who are booing for racially motivated reasons (whether conscious or unconsciously), and I think adding your voice in support of those boos is problematic.
As for the 13 year old girl... racism needs to be called out, regardless of age. If she honestly didn't know that was a racial insult, she'd have to be a flowering moron.... 13 year olds are kids, but it's not like they're infants, they know what they're doing. Sometimes you have to take a hard stand on these things- honestly if he'd gone up to her after the game privately she/ her family probably would have just laughed in his face.
If you want to boo goodes when he stages for a free kick, or snipes someone, w.e imo, go for it, he's no different to any other player. But if you're constantly booing him throughout the game, then you're a bit of a cow.
Quote from: RiOtChEsS on August 02, 2015, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2015, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on August 01, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
I think Damien Hardwick hit the nail on the head, at best it's bullying and at worst it's racism. Either way it needs to stop.
Exactly right!
agreed it is bullying!
i dislike the word racist being used, it divides everyone, the definition of racism by the nation, the world in general is what needs to be addressed correctly.
There was a poll in the paper that 78% of the nation as a whole thought it wasnt racist.
The question should have been how many of you think you are racist?
The vast majority do not think they are, steps can be then taken as a whole nation to make the necessary adjustments to better understand together, not point fingers argue and divide :-X
the truth is 99.9999999% of people are racist in the technical term. I dont think there is anyone out there who has zero prejudice about anything.