Poll
Question:
GAJ to Shiel?
Option 1: Yes - at $509k he is a good pick
votes: 42
Option 2: No - GWS will slow down as will Shiel
votes: 42
Thoughts on Dylan Shiel as a possible 115+ avg?
Doubt 115 yet, but he is a very very good player.
Good enough for M8 I think, bank him in for a 110 average.
he sure is the real deal.
Ablett to Shiel a stupid move?!
Rate him big time
Remember when GWS was first coming into the league and we hadn't seen any of the players? Shiel was always hyped as the best but started slowish
I called him going 115+ pre-season. I rate him big time, but that's just me personally
At 508k for a M7/8. Bargain. Just don't think I can get him in this week because I'll most likely keep Gaz
Future gun. He's doing what I bought Ward to do.
Great start by Shiel, 143 avg and highest scoring player after first 2 rounds.
At $509k is he worthy? Need him to be a keeper.
Quote from: Blues Blues Blues on April 13, 2015, 09:54:59 PM
Great start by Shiel, 143 avg and highest scoring player after first 2 rounds.
At $509k is he worthy? Need him to be a keeper.
I think he's the perfect breakout candidate, he's starting to kick goals now so should add another 10-15 points to his average. He's also out of contract so will be keen to maximise his worth. Rumour has it that he will be headed to Tigerland at the end of the year, looks like we will need to give up a first rounder and player (probably Conca).
Quote from: Bully on April 13, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
Quote from: Blues Blues Blues on April 13, 2015, 09:54:59 PM
Great start by Shiel, 143 avg and highest scoring player after first 2 rounds.
At $509k is he worthy? Need him to be a keeper.
I think he's the perfect breakout candidate, he's starting to kick goals now so should add another 10-15 points to his average. He's also out of contract so will be keen to maximise his worth. Rumour has it that he will be headed to Tigerland at the end of the year, looks like we will need to give up a first rounder and player (probably Conca).
sold
remember that they have played Saints and Melbourne. Not exactly the best opposition. But then again I do highly rate him as a player. Reminds me of Judd back in the day
Does everything. An elite talent. Lets see how he goes in next 2 weeks.
Has always reminded me of a left footed Daniel Kerr.
Would love to have him at West Coast.
Quote from: Bully on April 13, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
Quote from: Blues Blues Blues on April 13, 2015, 09:54:59 PM
Great start by Shiel, 143 avg and highest scoring player after first 2 rounds.
At $509k is he worthy? Need him to be a keeper.
I think he's the perfect breakout candidate, he's starting to kick goals now so should add another 10-15 points to his average. He's also out of contract so will be keen to maximise his worth. Rumour has it that he will be headed to Tigerland at the end of the year, looks like we will need to give up a first rounder and player (probably Conca).
I actually heard that reliable sources are saying he will be a Hawk next year :-\
Quote from: BomberSam on April 13, 2015, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 13, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
Quote from: Blues Blues Blues on April 13, 2015, 09:54:59 PM
Great start by Shiel, 143 avg and highest scoring player after first 2 rounds.
At $509k is he worthy? Need him to be a keeper.
I think he's the perfect breakout candidate, he's starting to kick goals now so should add another 10-15 points to his average. He's also out of contract so will be keen to maximise his worth. Rumour has it that he will be headed to Tigerland at the end of the year, looks like we will need to give up a first rounder and player (probably Conca).
I actually heard that reliable sources are saying he will be a Hawk next year :-\
I wouldn't be surprised if multiple clubs are chasing him, I can confirm that we have been courting him for 2 years and have set aside funds to accommodate a very sizable contract. I wouldn't say we're front runners but we certainly have the cap space and trade bait.
Quote from: Bully on April 13, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
I think he's the perfect breakout candidate, he's starting to kick goals now so should add another 10-15 points to his average. He's also out of contract so will be keen to maximise his worth. Rumour has it that he will be headed to Tigerland at the end of the year, looks like we will need to give up a first rounder and player (probably Conca).
Quote from: BomberSam on April 13, 2015, 11:32:09 PM
I actually heard that reliable sources are saying he will be a Hawk next year :-\
Both he and Treloar have also been linked to Carlton, doesn't mean it will happen and it is probably likely they both stay Giants.
Not sure how the hawks can afford him, but flower yes please come on over :)
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 13, 2015, 11:47:50 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 13, 2015, 10:18:17 PM
I think he's the perfect breakout candidate, he's starting to kick goals now so should add another 10-15 points to his average. He's also out of contract so will be keen to maximise his worth. Rumour has it that he will be headed to Tigerland at the end of the year, looks like we will need to give up a first rounder and player (probably Conca).
Quote from: BomberSam on April 13, 2015, 11:32:09 PM
I actually heard that reliable sources are saying he will be a Hawk next year :-\
Both he and Treloar have also been linked to Carlton, doesn't mean it will happen and it is probably likely they both stay Giants.
All the money in the world couldn't get young talent like this to Carlton in the coming years mate.
A few teams should be moving heaven and earth to get him. Carlton and West Coast especially
Quote from: Ricochet on April 14, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
A few teams should be moving heaven and earth to get him. Carlton and West Coast especially
He wants to live in Melbourne and has made that clear so West Cpast are out of the running.
Come to Essendon please. We'll take you
:-\
Seriously considering him for Ablett. The extra cash back is very appealing and he is projected to rise 80k over the next fortnight. A few hard games coming up but could be a bargain of the year candidate at seasons end. Cheers. :)
I heard we're giving up our 2nd round pick and Sam Darley for him . Reliable source and all.
Quote from: meow meow on April 14, 2015, 02:44:58 PM
I heard we're giving up our 2nd round pick and Sam Darley for him . Reliable source and all.
And the rest, first round pick plus player will be the going rate. Richmond will be prepared to let Conca or Vickery go to get this over the line.
I heard Saints were trading Nroo for him. #werf
Hawks will offer Shoey + Simpkim :)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on April 14, 2015, 05:25:44 PM
Hawks will offer Shoey + Simpkim :)
Can't happen. Shoey is glued to the ground. He doesn't want to leave.
Melbourne would offer their first rounder + Howe I reckon
Still need that midfield star - Our game on the weekend showed that
Quote from: Pkbaldy on April 14, 2015, 05:24:02 PM
I heard Saints were trading Nroo for him. #werf
our PP. LOSE DAMMIT :P
ON THE COUCH (FOX FOOTY)
RE-SIGNING Dylan Shiel should be the GWS Giants’ No. 1 priority during the 2015 season, according to legendary Hawthorn goalkicker Jason Dunstall.
Shiel is out of contract at the end of the season and rival clubs, reportedly Richmond and Melbourne, in particular are keen to lure the star midfielder away from the Giants on a big deal.
The 22-year-old has had a tremendous start to the season, finishing with one goal from 28 disposals against St Kilda in Round 1 then three goals from 26 disposals against Melbourne on the weekend.
Dunstall said the Giants must ensure Shiel puts pen to paper imminently.
“This guy reaps class. He is class from head to toe,†Dunstall said.
“Very few left-footers look comfortable on the right. And boy has he got some gears and some poise.â€
http://www.news.com.au/national/phil-walsh-on-adelaide-captaincy-gold-coast-and-carlton-slammed-essendon-praised-after-round-2-what-you-missed-on-tv-last-night/story-e6frp9-1227302655713
jumping on at 509k is what ill be doing
gaz > bont (via moving gray to the mids)
cripps > sheil
Quote from: Grufflez on April 14, 2015, 01:45:32 AM
All the money in the world couldn't get young talent like this to Carlton in the coming years mate.
It helps when they already love the club ;)
Both were Carlton supporters growing up and it is no secret Treloar idolizes Judd. If I had to pick one of the two to be more likely to move across it would be Treloar. The lure of playing with one of your two childhood heroes (Judd and The Rock) would be a lot of young footy players dreams (minus winning a premiership). You also have SOS now at Carlton so we have another link to the Giants
For the sake of the Giants you hope they both don't walk and end up signing extensions
Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 03:09:35 PM
And the rest, first round pick plus player will be the going rate. Richmond will be prepared to let Conca or Vickery go to get this over the line.
Why would they want either?
Quote from: Mat0369 on April 15, 2015, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: Grufflez on April 14, 2015, 01:45:32 AM
All the money in the world couldn't get young talent like this to Carlton in the coming years mate.
It helps when they already love the club ;)
Both were Carlton supporters growing up and it is no secret Treloar idolizes Judd. If I had to pick one of the two to be more likely to move across it would be Treloar. The lure of playing with one of your two childhood heroes (Judd and The Rock) would be a lot of young footy players dreams (minus winning a premiership). You also have SOS now at Carlton so we have another link to the Giants
For the sake of the Giants you hope they both don't walk and end up signing extensions
Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 03:09:35 PM
And the rest, first round pick plus player will be the going rate. Richmond will be prepared to let Conca or Vickery go to get this over the line.
Why would they want either?
Vickery still has value, could fetch a top 20 pick on the open market. Conca is worth a second rounder, would be icing on the cake. Don't forget what Carlton received for pick 7, GWS are reasonable negotiators.
Quote from: ando_10 on April 15, 2015, 04:59:52 PM
jumping on at 509k is what ill be doing
gaz > bont (via moving gray to the mids)
cripps > sheil
I was going Lewis and Bont for Gaz and Cripps, but time has come for this 22 year old Shiel. His stats from a 16 year old to now are just amazing
Quote from: Fid on April 15, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: ando_10 on April 15, 2015, 04:59:52 PM
jumping on at 509k is what ill be doing
gaz > bont (via moving gray to the mids)
cripps > sheil
I was going Lewis and Bont for Gaz and Cripps, but time has come for this 22 year old Shiel. His stats from a 16 year old to now are just amazing
He also tagged a bit last season, his stats are artificially low as a result. I think he can go 110 this year.
Quote from: Fid on April 15, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: ando_10 on April 15, 2015, 04:59:52 PM
jumping on at 509k is what ill be doing
gaz > bont (via moving gray to the mids)
cripps > sheil
I was going Lewis and Bont for Gaz and Cripps, but time has come for this 22 year old Shiel. His stats from a 16 year old to now are just amazing
ive had lewis from day dot. great move getting him now. ya wont regret it. yeah always liked shiel he played against my cousin in juniors and thought he was a beast.
Just has a little play around with the Bont/Shiel combo and boy does my midfield look smokin.
Shiel, Fyfe, Pendles, JPK, Selwood, Bont, Rich, CEY. (Vandenberg, Heeney, Miller)
The defence is a worry though, if Goodes is a no show then this won't be a possibility (but it looks damn impressive for now).
Quote from: ando_10 on April 15, 2015, 07:10:59 PM
Quote from: Fid on April 15, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: ando_10 on April 15, 2015, 04:59:52 PM
jumping on at 509k is what ill be doing
gaz > bont (via moving gray to the mids)
cripps > sheil
I was going Lewis and Bont for Gaz and Cripps, but time has come for this 22 year old Shiel. His stats from a 16 year old to now are just amazing
ive had lewis from day dot. great move getting him now. ya wont regret it. yeah always liked shiel he played against my cousin in juniors and thought he was a beast.
Yep beast is right - over 100 SC points in all but one match as a junior (16yo) and came 4th in the Mulrooney Medal (18yo) even after missing 6 games. That year he averaged 124 SC points whilst Treloar averaged 82
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 07:19:33 PM
Just has a little play around with the Bont/Shiel combo and boy does my midfield look smokin.
Shiel, Fyfe, Pendles, JPK, Selwood, Bont, Rich, CEY. (Vandenberg, Heeney, Miller)
The defence is a worry though, if Goodes is a no show then this won't be a possibility (but it looks damn impressive for now).
Stick with your original plan otherwise our teams will continue to be too similar :P
Quote from: Fid on April 15, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Yep beast is right - over 100 SC points in all but one match as a junior (16yo) and came 4th in the Mulrooney Medal (18yo) even after missing 6 games. That year he averaged 124 SC points whilst Treloar averaged 82
I was pumping up Shiel this preseason (Yeah I've mentioned it a couple of times already, but I knew he would explode this year :P), because I remember clearly when GWS first entered the league all the hype was around how damn good he was, but for some reason he never got a real go in their first season and people just forgot I guess
Kind of spewing he went SO good so far, because I was always going to bring him in, but now many more people will.
Like The Bont, don't expect this crazy good 120+ big scores each week, but from this point on I reckon Shiel can average 110-115 across the entire season which is why I always wanted him, but just couldn't fit him in rd1, but now Gaz going down makes it possible
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 07:19:33 PM
Just has a little play around with the Bont/Shiel combo and boy does my midfield look smokin.
Shiel, Fyfe, Pendles, JPK, Selwood, Bont, Rich, CEY. (Vandenberg, Heeney, Miller)
The defence is a worry though, if Goodes is a no show then this won't be a possibility (but it looks damn impressive for now).
Stick with your original plan otherwise our teams will continue to be too similar :P
If Smith doesn't play I'll wait for him but if Goodes and Smith are named I will pick up Shiel, can't risk Goodes being sub again, it will effectively mean Smith becomes unobtainable. My destiny is in the hands of the selectors.
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 07:19:33 PM
Just has a little play around with the Bont/Shiel combo and boy does my midfield look smokin.
Shiel, Fyfe, Pendles, JPK, Selwood, Bont, Rich, CEY. (Vandenberg, Heeney, Miller)
The defence is a worry though, if Goodes is a no show then this won't be a possibility (but it looks damn impressive for now).
Stick with your original plan otherwise our teams will continue to be too similar :P
If Smith doesn't play I'll wait for him but if Goodes and Smith are named I will pick up Shiel, can't risk Goodes being sub again, it will effectively mean Smith becomes unobtainable. My destiny is in the hands of the selectors.
Smith will get named. It's just a matter of whether he will be a late out or not
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 07:19:33 PM
Just has a little play around with the Bont/Shiel combo and boy does my midfield look smokin.
Shiel, Fyfe, Pendles, JPK, Selwood, Bont, Rich, CEY. (Vandenberg, Heeney, Miller)
The defence is a worry though, if Goodes is a no show then this won't be a possibility (but it looks damn impressive for now).
Stick with your original plan otherwise our teams will continue to be too similar :P
If Smith doesn't play I'll wait for him but if Goodes and Smith are named I will pick up Shiel, can't risk Goodes being sub again, it will effectively mean Smith becomes unobtainable. My destiny is in the hands of the selectors.
Smith will get named. It's just a matter of whether he will be a late out or not
Adelaide play early Saturday, will hold off all trades until 90 minutes before the game.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: Fid on April 15, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Yep beast is right - over 100 SC points in all but one match as a junior (16yo) and came 4th in the Mulrooney Medal (18yo) even after missing 6 games. That year he averaged 124 SC points whilst Treloar averaged 82
I was pumping up Shiel this preseason (Yeah I've mentioned it a couple of times already, but I knew he would explode this year :P), because I remember clearly when GWS first entered the league all the hype was around how damn good he was, but for some reason he never got a real go in their first season and people just forgot I guess
Kind of spewing he went SO good so far, because I was always going to bring him in, but now many more people will.
Yeah, I remember that hype back then even though he wasn't in the actual draft. He was in the GWS pre draft and his very first game as a 17 yo he scored 174 SC points
Like The Bont, don't expect this crazy good 120+ big scores each week, but from this point on I reckon Shiel can average 110-115 across the entire season which is why I always wanted him, but just couldn't fit him in rd1, but now Gaz going down makes it possible
FYP ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: Fid on April 15, 2015, 07:25:24 PM
Yep beast is right - over 100 SC points in all but one match as a junior (16yo) and came 4th in the Mulrooney Medal (18yo) even after missing 6 games. That year he averaged 124 SC points whilst Treloar averaged 82
I was pumping up Shiel this preseason (Yeah I've mentioned it a couple of times already, but I knew he would explode this year :P), because I remember clearly when GWS first entered the league all the hype was around how damn good he was, but for some reason he never got a real go in their first season and people just forgot I guess
Kind of spewing he went SO good so far, because I was always going to bring him in, but now many more people will.
Like The Bont, don't expect this crazy good 120+ big scores each week, but from this point on I reckon Shiel can average 110-115 across the entire season which is why I always wanted him, but just couldn't fit him in rd1, but now Gaz going down makes it possible
Quote from: Fid on April 15, 2015, 08:54:35 PM
Yeah, I remember that hype back then even though he wasn't in the actual draft. He was in the GWS pre draft and his very first game as a 17 yo he scored 174 SC points
Shiel's ownership is 0.9%, very much a POD at the moment.
Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though
Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon
He'll be the highest averaging player come round 23 too, when the Giants are 22-0. You had better get Treloar too, and Toby will average 150 across the last 10 rounds.
Quote from: ///////////////////////// on April 15, 2015, 11:18:13 PM
He'll be the highest averaging player come round 23 too, when the Giants are 22-0. You had better get Treloar too, and Toby will average 150 across the last 10 rounds.
Haha... love this guy. ;) :-*
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 11:12:02 PM
Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though
Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon
Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.
Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)
These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.
Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.
Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.
The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 11:12:02 PM
Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though
Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon
Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.
Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)
These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.
Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.
Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.
The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.
Interesting thoughts... very sound reasoning too.
Im still finding it so hard to bring in a 2nd year player for GAJ- but it is really making sense the more i look at it.
Hmmmmmmmmmm...
My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!
Quote from: FactHunt on April 15, 2015, 11:44:07 PM
My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!
Shiel averaged 95 last year which included an injury affected 41 vs Sydney. He was also assigned tagging roles throughout the year, this won't be the case in 2015. We also need to factor in natural improvement, having watched him thus far I'm sold on his ability to step up to the next level. He's a prolific tackler, he kicks goals, he wins a truckload of contested ball and he has some serious afterburners. Being 22 he's also at an age that is pretty typical of a breakout year. Granted he has a lot of competition but for natural talent I think he trumps them all with the exception of Treloar.
The only downside I can see is he may need to be traded out if he fails to hit 110, not such a big deal given Rich, NVB, Wallis etc would also require a further upgrade.
Quote from: FactHunt on April 15, 2015, 11:44:07 PM
My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!
By that logic they should improve their SC scores because they will win more games right?
500k for an M8 with 105 average is not an unreasonable POD punt.
Just asking the questions boys, I like the logic :D
Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 12:25:59 AM
Quote from: FactHunt on April 15, 2015, 11:44:07 PM
My other concern here is:
The giants have had a couple of wins now, what happens when they get a few tough games.
There are 3200 points allocated to each game, for each player to grab their piece of the pie-
The giants have Ward, Griff, Treloar, Whitfield, Mummy, Greene etc etc all claiming their piece in, potentially, many losing games this year... can we expect to see Shiel going even 95+ from here?!?!
Shiel averaged 95 last year which included an injury affected 41 vs Sydney. He was also assigned tagging roles throughout the year, this won't be the case in 2015. We also need to factor in natural improvement, having watched him thus far I'm sold on his ability to step up to the next level. He's a prolific tackler, he kicks goals, he wins a truckload of contested ball and he has some serious afterburners. Being 22 he's also at an age that is pretty typical of a breakout year. Granted he has a lot of competition but for natural talent I think he trumps them all with the exception of Treloar.
The only downside I can see is he may need to be traded out if he fails to hit 110, not such a big deal given Rich, NVB, Wallis etc would also require a further upgrade.
Averaged 101.4 after the byes last year.
Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 11:12:02 PM
Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though
Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon
Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.
Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)
These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.
Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.
Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.
The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.
The other thing to factor in though is how cheaper NVB is vs Shiel, so by getting Shiel you cant upgrade Goodes to a defender
Either way you can get a 500k player into your team - it's just whether you want to get a defender who should be a lock all year, or Shiel who does have a little risk
Quote from: Wanderer on April 16, 2015, 09:11:04 AM
Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?
If Leon got him tagging now based on what he is doing he would be crazy
Plenty of other kids can do a run with role
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 16, 2015, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 11:12:02 PM
Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though
Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon
Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.
Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)
These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.
Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.
Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.
The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.
The other thing to factor in though is how cheaper NVB is vs Shiel, so by getting Shiel you cant upgrade Goodes to a defender
Either way you can get a 500k player into your team - it's just whether you want to get a defender who should be a lock all year, or Shiel who does have a little risk
Quote from: Wanderer on April 16, 2015, 09:11:04 AM
Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?
If Leon got him tagging now based on what he is doing he would be crazy
Plenty of other kids can do a run with role
If he is totally unleashed from tagging role then he is a worthy M8 you would think. Will be running free whilst Griff, Ward or Treloar get tagged. Is a better option than Bont, given Bont will surely get the number 1 tag going forward.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 16, 2015, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: Bully on April 15, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2015, 11:12:02 PM
Over 8000 people have traded him in this week though
Will prob be owned by 5-8% by this week I reckon
Wow, that's quite a few. I've been doing a few calculations and there seems very little downside to this trade.
Bont should make 100k (95 avg)
Shiel should make 80k (105 avg)
These are also at the bottom end of estimations, both players have a much higher ceiling.
Sloane should stay on his present average so no profit.
NVB should hit 375k by round 8 based on an 80 average leaving a profit of 160k.
Now with the Sloane/NVB combo, we are guaranteed 1 keeper but we are also guaranteed 1 trade, a trade that won't be so easy to upgrade given a further 250k will be required if we are chasing super premos only.
The benefit of Shiel/Bont is that we may have 2 keepers and if not, 1 rookie downgrade should be sufficient money to upgrade both players. In the end it's a worthwhile bet in my opinion, no Gaz & no Rocky makes the next 8 weeks very interesting, form is everything and these two are firing.
The other thing to factor in though is how cheaper NVB is vs Shiel, so by getting Shiel you cant upgrade Goodes to a defender
Either way you can get a 500k player into your team - it's just whether you want to get a defender who should be a lock all year, or Shiel who does have a little risk
Quote from: Wanderer on April 16, 2015, 09:11:04 AM
Why do people think he won't be used to tag sometimes throughout the year?
If Leon got him tagging now based on what he is doing he would be crazy
Plenty of other kids can do a run with role
This is true with regards to defensive keeper vs slightly risky midfielder, I'm still of the opinion that Smith will be in the top 2-3 defenders for the year, I see him being this year's Malceski. The problem is how to get him and deal with Cocky at the same time. I really wish he was DPP, life would be so simple in that scenario. As I've mentioned before, if he plays and Goodes plays I'm out of the running, the first price rise and Goodes losing dough will push him beyond my available bank balance. I'm not prepared to leave Cocky in the side with NVB about to make 65k, particularly with Smith coming back from a nasty knock.
Hopefully Adelaide do the right thing and rest him, in that scenario I take Smith over Shiel. Otherwise I'll be be beefing up my midfield this week and hoping that Goodes can get his 10 out of the rolling average.
I used to captain against him in juniors, we always got spanked by 100+. Left and right foot at 10-13 kicking around 40 meters was amazing.
Quote from: North Melbournes Finest on April 16, 2015, 11:35:20 AM
I used to captain against him in juniors, we always got spanked by 100+. Left and right foot at 10-13 kicking around 40 meters was amazing.
As a player I don't see many weaknesses in his game, his ability to kick on both sides and his acceleration of the mark has many comparing him to a Chris Judd. I've actually been quite surprised that other GWS mids have hogged the headlines and Shiel has gone about his business with little fanfare. He finished 4th in the B&F last year and averaged 23 touches as a 21 year old, his development is tracking beautifully. The other factor to consider is GWS are finally becoming a competitive unit, they should win 50% of their games and I doubt they will be flogged too often. Sydney will be a big test but they almost knocked them off in the preseason, I'm really looking forward to this week's contest.
There is no chance that first rounder and Conca/Vickery is a fair deal. Both are average footballers for an upcoming star.
I reckon with all the midfield injuries this year, Shiel is a very good option. Realistically likely to average 110 - 112.
The biggest worry is come end of season if he is looking like going back to Melbourne, GWS could flower with his role or sub him or rest him.
Quote from: remon tea on April 16, 2015, 02:30:08 PM
There is no chance that first rounder and Conca/Vickery is a fair deal. Both are average footballers for an upcoming star.
I reckon with all the midfield injuries this year, Shiel is a very good option. Realistically likely to average 110 - 112.
Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on April 16, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
The biggest worry is come end of season if he is looking like going back to Melbourne, GWS could flower with his role or sub him or rest him.
GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.
Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 04:39:19 PM
Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.
GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.
No he won't
If GWS picked up Vickery and a pick for Shiel i'd be disappointed especially with the abundance of good quality talls that GWS already have
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Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.
GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.
No he won't
Vickery worth a top 20 pick? Trevor Marmalade worthy!
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Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 04:39:19 PM
Vickery still has plenty of value, he would get a top 20 pick, that is the going rate for talls. We may even see Vickery back in the firsts this week, Griffiths struggled a bit so it will be interesting.
GWS would want to win as many games as possible, can't see that happening.
No he won't
Think we'll have to disagree on that one, Vickery averaged 2 goals a game last year, unfortunately he had an injury plagued season. Didn't get the call-up this time around due to Griffiths having a better preseason, still only 24. If Hampson can get traded for pick 28 then Vickery demands a top 20 pick.
Lock it in that Shiel will be at Hawthorn next year.
I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.
Quote from: Southstorm on April 16, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.
Cap space isn't a problem, there's a good reason we haven't chased a Goddard or Dal Santo, that's because we have been eyeing off Shiel for 2 years. The contract being offered is a very generous and lengthy one, it won't be easy to match.
Am I crazy going GAJ > Shiel and not Sloane? Please tell me I'm not :)
Quote from: Mondoftw on April 17, 2015, 09:51:16 AM
Am I crazy going GAJ > Shiel and not Sloane? Please tell me I'm not :)
There's a number of coaches picking up Shiel/Bont, it's something I've strongly considered myself.
Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 16, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.
Cap space isn't a problem, there's a good reason we haven't chased a Goddard or Dal Santo, that's because we have been eyeing off Shiel for 2 years. The contract being offered is a very generous and lengthy one, it won't be easy to match.
Could a huge deal for Shiel force out Rance though? :/
Quote from: elephants on April 17, 2015, 01:39:32 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 16, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.
Cap space isn't a problem, there's a good reason we haven't chased a Goddard or Dal Santo, that's because we have been eyeing off Shiel for 2 years. The contract being offered is a very generous and lengthy one, it won't be easy to match.
Could a huge deal for Shiel force out Rance though? :/
Don't think so, Rance will be on around 700k if he stays, no guarantees he will. If he leaves accommodating Shiel will be easy, either way it's no issue because we've front loaded most of our A-grade contracts.
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Quote from: Southstorm on April 16, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.
Cap space isn't a problem, there's a good reason we haven't chased a Goddard or Dal Santo, that's because we have been eyeing off Shiel for 2 years. The contract being offered is a very generous and lengthy one, it won't be easy to match.
Could a huge deal for Shiel force out Rance though? :/
Don't think so, Rance will be on around 700k if he stays, no guarantees he will. If he leaves accommodating Shiel will be easy, either way it's no issue because we've front loaded most of our A-grade contracts.
Apart from Rance (who may retire based on the story on the Footy Show last night) you only have 4 A-Graders being JRoo, Cotch, Dusty and Lids.
There is good mail going around that he is going to Hawthorn anyway. Hawthorn have multiple players in their second tier who would be in the best 18 who will leave the club and a couple that may retire. They have the space to launch a bid for another gun. Watch this space.
Maybe this thread should be titled "Shiel the trade deal" ;)
I love Shiel, he's one of my boys.
The thing that worries me is that there's sooo many flowering GWS mids that IDK if he will get enough of the ball at times and they'll use him in different positions. Conigs was used as the sub in rd1 :o
Also, he's coming to the Tiges :P we've been after him for a while
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Quote from: Southstorm on April 16, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
I can't see Richmond being the front runners for him. St. Kilda, Carlton and now Essendon and Collingwood probably have a lot more space in the salary cap than the Tigers.
Cap space isn't a problem, there's a good reason we haven't chased a Goddard or Dal Santo, that's because we have been eyeing off Shiel for 2 years. The contract being offered is a very generous and lengthy one, it won't be easy to match.
Could a huge deal for Shiel force out Rance though? :/
Don't think so, Rance will be on around 700k if he stays, no guarantees he will. If he leaves accommodating Shiel will be easy, either way it's no issue because we've front loaded most of our A-grade contracts.
Apart from Rance (who may retire based on the story on the Footy Show last night) you only have 4 A-Graders being JRoo, Cotch, Dusty and Lids.
There is good mail going around that he is going to Hawthorn anyway. Hawthorn have multiple players in their second tier who would be in the best 18 who will leave the club and a couple that may retire. They have the space to launch a bid for another gun. Watch this space.
I will laugh soo hard if Rance retires to go backpacking ;D ;D
Yeah, I traded Shiel in.
Quote from: Mondoftw on April 17, 2015, 09:51:16 AM
Am I crazy going GAJ > Shiel and not Sloane? Please tell me I'm not :)
extremely.
Get off his what? ???
Quote from: ronl on April 19, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
Get off his what? ???
Haha, I laughed when I saw that too. I see it has since been deleted ;D
See what? :P
So 4 out of 5 games now Shiel has tonned up. Is only 20k more than his starting price. Was thinking of grabbing Gray this week for Salem but if Heeney isn't named this week how long do you sit on him? GWS have the Hawks this week and without Lewis and Hodge out there Sammy Mitchell isn't gonna have much support in the guts and Shiel could chalk up another solid ton. Then they have the whipping boys in Carlton the week after which could spell another solid ton. I think I may have talked myself into it
Im really tempted to pick him up. Last year i doubted ward and didnt pick him up and regretted it. Really looking at him
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
Quote from: PICCOLLO on May 04, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
Who? Jpk, Sloane, Jelwood? Fyfe and Pendles only proven consistent super premos at the moment
Quote from: PICCOLLO on May 04, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
I'll take 105-110 for an M8 and I'll take an M8 for $500k any day.
Quote from: Southstorm on May 04, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: PICCOLLO on May 04, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
I'll take 105-110 for an M8 and I'll take an M8 for $500k any day.
For $20k more you could buy a Sloane who should still be a 110+ mid.
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on May 04, 2015, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on May 04, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: PICCOLLO on May 04, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
I'll take 105-110 for an M8 and I'll take an M8 for $500k any day.
For $20k more you could buy a Sloane who should still be a 110+ mid.
When I brought Shiel in, Sloane was well over $600k and at that stage not looking like slowing down. More than happy to have both though.
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Quote from: H1bb3i2d on May 04, 2015, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on May 04, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: PICCOLLO on May 04, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
I'll take 105-110 for an M8 and I'll take an M8 for $500k any day.
For $20k more you could buy a Sloane who should still be a 110+ mid.
When I brought Shiel in, Sloane was well over $600k and at that stage not looking like slowing down. More than happy to have both though.
Did the opposite, brought in Sloane for over 600k for a lovely pair of 60s :)
Quote from: elephants on May 04, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on May 04, 2015, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on May 04, 2015, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on May 04, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: PICCOLLO on May 04, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
I'll take 105-110 for an M8 and I'll take an M8 for $500k any day.
For $20k more you could buy a Sloane who should still be a 110+ mid.
When I brought Shiel in, Sloane was well over $600k and at that stage not looking like slowing down. More than happy to have both though.
Did the opposite, brought in Sloane for over 600k for a lovely pair of 60s :)
Me too elephantitis
Quote from: Gigantor on May 04, 2015, 02:46:16 PM
Quote from: PICCOLLO on May 04, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
What we've seen is what you'll get. A bit like Treloar, he'll go high and he'll go low and probably average out at around 105-110. So many players (coniglio, smith) who go big some weeks and not others. Consistency is better found elsewhere.
Who? Jpk, Sloane, Jelwood? Fyfe and Pendles only proven consistent super premos at the moment
Very true. There are really only 2-3 super premos going around. (Gaz, Fyfe, Pendles)
As far as elite mids go, JPK, Sloane, Selwood should all be around 115ppg by years end.
Selwood et al. often have periods of scoring 80ish for a few but the 150s make up for it. Being in a top 8 side that's winning games helps.
IMHO, Selwood and Sloane in 1-2 weeks will be better options and score more than Shiel.
Yes? No?
got lewis and looking to trade.. ranked 600th so dont really want to risk 550k on the bench for 2 weeks.
Is D.Shiel worth it ? he seems to be getting a lot of the pill and racking up huge points. but that one week of 60 odd scares me..
let me know
Reckon the coach may have had a word or two with him after that 60. Could have discussed something called "attitude''.
Quote from: ronl on May 08, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
Reckon the coach may have had a word or two with him after that 60. Could have discussed something called "attitude''.
Reckon it had more to do with something called "being tagged".
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Quote from: ronl on May 08, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
Reckon the coach may have had a word or two with him after that 60. Could have discussed something called "attitude''.
Reckon it had more to do with something called "being tagged".
I heard it was something to do with "being gagged"
Absolute jet. backing him to push through the tough games and go a 115 average by end of year.