WXV Trade Talk

[Holz]

There is an issue with time delay.

When mckernan was the number 1 ruck he was worth more then 12 (12 not that goid)

The fact he went 90+ last year is irrelevant

The issue is now they have burger he isnt worrh it.

The trade needs to be evaluated at when the deal was done. To people agree or disagree?

It happens all the time, and we all have done it before - inflating a players value due to a small "hot streak" in form. And then the fact that he is ruck just exaggerates his value around here even more

this wasnt my point.

we need to decide if we rate the trade at the time it was first done or as of today.

It should be the date the trade was done. At that time Mckernan was the number 1 ruck.

Pick 12 is not that good in this draft. DVR its still worth a second rounder.

now the burger is there its fair enough to veto it, but i think we need to vote as if he wasnt. If people did that then its ok.

The time it was first done or as of today? It's like a couple of days difference lol, but it doesn't matter anyway because we voted after the news/strong rumour was that Luey was heading to Essendon

As for Pick 12 not being good in this draft, that is simply your opinion. I'm sure a lot of people rate Pick 12 higher than what you seem to.

At the end of the day, the trade has been rejected and more needs to be added by Meow as per Purps decision. I do agree though that 3 coach negs probably shouldn't have Admin come in and over-rule.

the initial trade was done a while ago. which was Mckernan for 12. After it was done then news came out that berger was bacially going to essendon.

they shouldnt be punished for the trade review process taking time.

the point is bigger then this trade.

[Ricochet]

annnnnnyway...

Have had a fair bit of interest in these boys over the last few days

Broomhead
Howe
Conca

If your keen pm me

Fair to say we're leaning towards keeping Howe now

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jeremy-howe-wants-to-play-for-collingwood-after-walking-out-on-melbourne/story-fnp04d70-1227570631664?sv=ae017365ff6245961237907c948ba801

COLLINGWOOD wants to turn Jeremy Howe into the next Isaac Smith.

The Magpies want to transform Howe into a hard-running, up-and-back wingman who can hit the scoreboard, much like Hawthorn’s Smith. Howe has also been told he would spend time forward, where he will study tapes of another Hawk, Jack Gunston.

The artcle didn't mention it but I have it on good authority they also want him to be like Ablett, Pendles and Goldstein as well

Howe to average 140+ next year ;)

[RaisyDaisy]

the initial trade was done a while ago. which was Mckernan for 12. After it was done then news came out that berger was bacially going to essendon.

they shouldnt be punished for the trade review process taking time.

the point is bigger then this trade.

The point is bigger than this trade, but just McKernan for 12 I would neg every day of the week, with or without Luey

We all value picks differently I guess

[Purple 77]

the initial trade was done a while ago. which was Mckernan for 12. After it was done then news came out that berger was bacially going to essendon.

they shouldnt be punished for the trade review process taking time.

the point is bigger then this trade.

Ugh, was just gonna let it go like I normally do, but just want to point out that no, I distanced Leuenberger in my decision. I didn't punish the trade because it took time.

Also, 3 negs according the rule puts it in the category of "Passes, unless Admin decides to let it fail". Ossie implemented those rules, and has rejected a trade before with 3, 4 and 5 votes attracted. Don't see why that changes now.

Please give me the benefit of the doubt in the future.

Let's move on.

[meow meow]

The trade failed again, no biggie. Some teams have already put in offers for Stefan Martin and if you want him go for it.

McKernan ... showed glimpses this year but was still slaughtered week in, week out

^ That's the only thing that has bothered me because it is simply not true. McKernan played half a season and finished 10th in Essendon's best and fairest and he's not as bad as people make him out to be. He slaughtered the more highly rated Zac Smith and Brodie Grundy and was probably BOG in those games. Goldy taught him a lesson but he wasn't bad every week.

Was that the game with the McKernan (C) gate in the Champions League? :P

Sure was. McKernan is heaps better than Smith and I knew he'd crush him. It wasn't a fluke. McKernan had been good all year. He averaged 20 hit outs, 20 disposals, kicked 17.12 and averaged 110 DT in the VFL (9/12 tonnes). An average of 83.7 in the AFL makes him my best forward! Not sure why you don't rate him as being worth a speculative pick once all the top end talent has been taken. But oh well!

On a related note, Cape Town are getting good offers for Stefan Martin and I don't know what I can add instead of 12 so it's likely that I'll miss out on him now. That leaves me stuck with pick 2 (if that trade passes), which I had no intention of keeping. Anyone want it? Would like a forward to replace Elliott or a U2 to replace Stefan since in that spot I'm left with... Sean Dempster :S

[RaisyDaisy]

We're currently over the cap so need to trim back

If anyone has players with lower cap points then who you want from us, or picks to offer for players with points then please hit me up

[Holz]

the initial trade was done a while ago. which was Mckernan for 12. After it was done then news came out that berger was bacially going to essendon.

they shouldnt be punished for the trade review process taking time.

the point is bigger then this trade.

Ugh, was just gonna let it go like I normally do, but just want to point out that no, I distanced Leuenberger in my decision. I didn't punish the trade because it took time.

Also, 3 negs according the rule puts it in the category of "Passes, unless Admin decides to let it fail". Ossie implemented those rules, and has rejected a trade before with 3, 4 and 5 votes attracted. Don't see why that changes now.

Please give me the benefit of the doubt in the future.

Let's move on.

I know you did, i wasnt saying anything about this trade in particular. I have zero issue with your ruling. It was more to make sure we were on all on the same page that a trade should be voted on at the time of the trade.

For example lets say on 16/10/15 I trade pick 1 + Scharenberg for Gary Ablett

on 18/10/15 Ablett breaks his leg and announces his retirement.

I would expect the trade to go through. based on Ablett being health on 16/10/15

[Purple 77]

On a related note, Cape Town are getting good offers for Stefan Martin and I don't know what I can add instead of 12 so it's likely that I'll miss out on him now. That leaves me stuck with pick 2 (if that trade passes), which I had no intention of keeping. Anyone want it? Would like a forward to replace Elliott or a U2 to replace Stefan since in that spot I'm left with... Sean Dempster :S

I thought you guys organised and posted the trade?

I would have thought that that deal would still be in place, as long as you renegotiated to get Pick 12.

Seeing as its apparently not, you could argue similar reasoning to take down your Pick 2 trade...

[Purple 77]

Amazing thread/work from Adamant btw!

[Toga]

Amazing thread/work from Adamant btw!

This!! Gonna be unbelievably handy, there's a few threads in need of an update which has made it hard for me to figure out who's got depth where. Thanks Ada!

[RaisyDaisy]

Aaaaand Mike Pyke has just retired

Calling all ruckmen! NY needs you!

At least we are just below the cap now lol

[meow meow]

On a related note, Cape Town are getting good offers for Stefan Martin and I don't know what I can add instead of 12 so it's likely that I'll miss out on him now. That leaves me stuck with pick 2 (if that trade passes), which I had no intention of keeping. Anyone want it? Would like a forward to replace Elliott or a U2 to replace Stefan since in that spot I'm left with... Sean Dempster :S

I thought you guys organised and posted the trade?

I would have thought that that deal would still be in place, as long as you renegotiated to get Pick 12.

Seeing as its apparently not, you could argue similar reasoning to take down your Pick 2 trade...

I don't think I can get pick 12 anymore so the other trade involving me sending pick 12 to Cape Town is void.

The trade involving pick 2 was seperate and it's just bad luck if I am left with it. It's an independant trade and I wasn't forced into doing it before I had confirmation that the McKernan for 12 trade passed, so I wouldn't expect to be able to, or think it would be fair on NDT to try to cancel it on those grounds. It's not a big deal, nothing worth complaining about.

[Purple 77]

On a related note, Cape Town are getting good offers for Stefan Martin and I don't know what I can add instead of 12 so it's likely that I'll miss out on him now. That leaves me stuck with pick 2 (if that trade passes), which I had no intention of keeping. Anyone want it? Would like a forward to replace Elliott or a U2 to replace Stefan since in that spot I'm left with... Sean Dempster :S

I thought you guys organised and posted the trade?

I would have thought that that deal would still be in place, as long as you renegotiated to get Pick 12.

Seeing as its apparently not, you could argue similar reasoning to take down your Pick 2 trade...

I don't think I can get pick 12 anymore so the other trade involving me sending pick 12 to Cape Town is void.

The trade involving pick 2 was seperate and it's just bad luck if I am left with it. It's an independant trade and I wasn't forced into doing it before I had confirmation that the McKernan for 12 trade passed, so I wouldn't expect to be able to, or think it would be fair on NDT to try to cancel it on those grounds. It's not a big deal, nothing worth complaining about.

Top quality meow, I would understand you being frustrated that the trade was rejected. Utmost respect.

[RaisyDaisy]

I've had a lot of interest in Buckley.

I've said for the most part that he isn't really available, but with so much interest we may in fact let him go if the deal is really good for us

Get your offers in if you're interested

[meow meow]

Does anyone want to get their hands on pick #2?

With the sub rule disappearing it's likely that you could get a U2 for next year who'll someday become your M1. Before the sub rule existed Trengove and Dusty went 75+ in their first season while Scully played 21 @ 71. Heeney and Steele averaged 75+ unsubbed last year, Brayshaw, Tuok not far behind.

Could possibly swap it for a couple of good picks if nobody wants to lose a player.

Also, if you need to build depth I could move 26 and 46 on for an earlier pick in the 20's.