It is difficult to plan for changes around the AFL season due to the coronavirus until the AFL make an announcement.. but in all likelihood many changes to the season will be made after our starting squads are locked out.
However there are a number of rumours around options the AFL is considering for contingency planning. One of the most credible/logical is that there may be a case where the season shuts down for a period of weeks, hence they will try to cram several matches into a shorter space of time, particularly early.
With this in mind, are you reconsidering certain players who are more susceptible to resting due to injury return/injury prone/age/workload management etc? Springing to mind immediately are Tom Mitchell, Jack Steven and Sam Docherty.
It certainly is making me lean back towards Lachie Neale, who I passed over to save 20k-ish
Actually if Cameron/Xerri don't get up it does make Jackson a viable R3 alternative if Max is managed early too.
With the way things are trending right now, I'm going to be surprised if the season starts this week at all. So many questions the AFL can't answer.
How do interstate games get approached when airports are a major source of contamination?
What happens to playing groups when one player tests positive and they've all been in contact?
What happens to opposition teams who have played against a player who was infectious during the game and later tested positive?
Yeah, I cant see the season starting on Thursday, too many unknowns and risk is high. If it starts Thursday ill be going a less risky route qth Prems and only 1 or 2 players that have a high likelihood of Restings.
I reckon there will be a 4 week delay applied and scheduled start Easter Long Weekend. This will be revisited in 2-3 weeks time.
Im hoping that all the measures that are being put in place right now nationally will prevent the spread compared to what other countries have seen.
Confirmed - 17 Round Season announced
Just announced its a 17 week season, each team playing each other once.
Happy enough to go Cogs rather than an uber in this scenario
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 16, 2020, 06:32:58 PM
Yeah, I cant see the season starting on Thursday, too many unknowns and risk is high. If it starts Thursday ill be going a less risky route qth Prems and only 1 or 2 players that have a high likelihood of Restings.
I reckon there will be a 4 week delay applied and scheduled start Easter Long Weekend. This will be revisited in 2-3 weeks time.
Im hoping that all the measures that are being put in place right now nationally will prevent the spread compared to what other countries have seen.
Confirmed - 17 Round Season announced
Why is the risk high ? 44 players plus coaches and staff plus umpires in an empty stadium plus someone to let them in and how are they going to stop it with schools and uni's open and hundreds of thousands people cramming onto public transport every day ? but stopping the footy is not going to stop the explosion of this virus.
I can understand they want to cut the games to 17.
What I don't understand is they still want to start the season on the original dates.
What's the point of cutting the season then? So the season just ends in August? The virus may be under control by then? No one knows what it'll be like then, but we know it's not looking good now.
Quote from: oh_lol on March 16, 2020, 07:31:47 PM
I can understand they want to cut the games to 17.
What I don't understand is they still want to start the season on the original dates.
What's the point of cutting the season then? So the season just ends in August? The virus may be under control by then? No one knows what it'll be like then, but we know it's not looking good now.
Pretty sure it won't be starting this week the season is 6 weeks shorter plus the byes so I'm guessing it won't start for 2 months probably still with empty stadiums unless there is a miracle.
I get the impression they want to get at least 4 rounds done with which will mean any enforced halting of games won’t have such a massive impact as there will only be 13 weeks needed to finish the home and away season. If they stop now, it’s puts more pressure when and if it gets up and running again as they will still have the full 17 weeks to play.
Quote from: Mahogany on March 16, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
I get the impression they want to get at least 4 rounds done with which will mean any enforced halting of games won’t have such a massive impact as there will only be 13 weeks needed to finish the home and away season. If they stop now, it’s puts more pressure when and if it gets up and running again as they will still have the full 17 weeks to play.
We will see tomorrow but if it goes pear shaped with the virus like other countries there is still a possibility of no footy this year and a mate said he's heard chatter that quite a lot of players are against starting this week.
they say they have til Xmas to play 17 Rnds :o and I think they are saying, they'll shut it down and isolate everyone for 14 days at a time when a player is tested positive. Don't panic thou, Queensland doctor's reckon they found the cure already.
Quote from: oh_lol on March 16, 2020, 07:31:47 PM
I can understand they want to cut the games to 17.
What I don't understand is they still want to start the season on the original dates.
What's the point of cutting the season then? So the season just ends in August? The virus may be under control by then? No one knows what it'll be like then, but we know it's not looking good now.
The whole season will stop for 14 days if any player tests positive, so there could be like 2 week breaks (at least) between rounds at some stages of the year.
So it certainly makes sense to try and squeeze some rounds in now while no-one is infected. If we can finish in August with no infections - great outcome.
Quote from: shaker on March 16, 2020, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: Mahogany on March 16, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
I get the impression they want to get at least 4 rounds done with which will mean any enforced halting of games won’t have such a massive impact as there will only be 13 weeks needed to finish the home and away season. If they stop now, it’s puts more pressure when and if it gets up and running again as they will still have the full 17 weeks to play.
We will see tomorrow but if it goes pear shaped with the virus like other countries there is still a possibility of no footy this year and a mate said he's heard chatter that quite a lot of players are against starting this week.
Majority of the players voted to play round 1 as planned
With there now only being 17 rounds whats everyone's thoughts on the best strategy to attempt to combat the loss of rounds? i
Quote from: Samsturmfels on March 17, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
With there now only being 17 rounds whats everyone's thoughts on the best strategy to attempt to combat the loss of rounds? i
Have to take a risk on a few more mid pricers I reckon.
Nothing too drastic though.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 17, 2020, 12:36:14 PM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on March 17, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
With there now only being 17 rounds whats everyone's thoughts on the best strategy to attempt to combat the loss of rounds? i
Have to take a risk on a few more mid pricers I reckon.
Nothing too drastic though.
if we keep the 30 trades it may be worth it to take a few extra risks.
Quote from: Samsturmfels on March 17, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
With there now only being 17 rounds whats everyone's thoughts on the best strategy to attempt to combat the loss of rounds? i
Johnny Worsfold said games will be shorter, so NicNat types come into play I think. He has the ability to ton up in 60% game time.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/386053/-it-s-likely-to-be-shortened-game-time-bombers-bracing-for-change
My strategy will remain the same, as many keepers as I can get...
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 17, 2020, 04:19:16 PM
My strategy will remain the same, as many keepers as I can get...
Mid price madness - Houston, Macpherson, NicNat, English, Petracca, Steven, Dev....... potentially 16 keepers from the get go :-\
Quote from: Thewizz71 on March 17, 2020, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: jvalles69 on March 17, 2020, 04:19:16 PM
My strategy will remain the same, as many keepers as I can get...
Mid price madness - Houston, Macpherson, NicNat, English, Petracca, Steven, Dev....... potentially 16 keepers from the get go :-\
Lol, have to admit I'm less inclined to start with Dusty now, had the nice 10/11 MCG games to start the season...
I'm given up Gawn and a premium Midfielder to get an additional two Rookies off the field.
I'm running with six keeper mids (M6 is a mid-pricer), and a mid-pricer at F6.
By flattening the mids and downgrading Gawn, I now have 15 Keepers excluding Roberton... but I'm viewing Roberton as a luxury upgrade.
Putting together a mid-pricer team that will score around the same as a cookie cutter Guns n Rookies team isn't difficult. The reason you go with Guns n Rookies is because.... at the back end of the season, a strongly completed Guns n Rookies team has a far better spread of premiums than a mid pricer team.
This won't apply in a 17 Round season.
With 17 rounds:
- a Guns n Rookies set-up won't have sufficient rounds for two phases of Rookies to mature as cash cows in order to complete
- you can be more aggressive correct trading mid pricers i.e. using them as low earning cash cows that are stepping stones into ultra premiums (not optimal in a 22 round season)
... Sam Walsh (or similar) suddenly becomes a more viable option
... Starting all of Ceglar / Brayshaw / J Steven / D Smith (or similar) becomes less risky. You can step off the ones that don't fully mature, and keep the ones that realise their scoring potential
The argument for this strategy is more powerful due to the Rookies being so weak this season. It means you can avoid those speculative lower-end Rookies that are so uncertain.
This allows for:
- Young/Ash at D7
- Green/Picket at M8/M9 (rather than M7/M8)
- C Taylor (or similar) on the forward bench rather than at F6 (and a low-end mid pricer at F6)
For this to work, you must get the following two things right:
- In the early rounds your mid-pricer team needs to score slightly better than your Guns n Rookies team (the whole idea is to get more points on the scoreboard out the gate)
- at least 50% of your selected mid-pricers need to be keepers that come off i.e. realise their scoring potential (even in a 17 Round season you can't correct all of them!).... (but, unlike a regular season where you need to nail 2 out of every 3 mid-pricers - hard to do! - in a shortened season you only need to nail 50%)
Everyone's definition of a mid-pricer is different. In a normal season, I have no more than 4 mid pricers (ideally 2 - 3).
As of today, I have 10 mid-pricers... including Docherty, Roberton, S Walsh, Macpherson, Ceglar, Andrew Brayshaw, Smith + 3 others). Five of them need to be legitimate keepers in a regular season (I'll have the trades to correct five of them, but no more).
Anyway... that's my strategic response to C-19.
Part of me hopes we play this weekend just so we can lock in our creative solutions to this mess. If the season is delayed for a bunch of weeks, no doubt we'll develop a cookie cutter template for a compromised 17 Round season.
I'm using this season as a chance to be really aggressive on my gut feel. If I get it wrong, so what?
This is only a distraction from the more serious things in our lives ;)
Good luck everyone!
Have fun with it :)
Quote from: Money Shot on March 17, 2020, 12:36:14 PM
Quote from: Samsturmfels on March 17, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
With there now only being 17 rounds whats everyone's thoughts on the best strategy to attempt to combat the loss of rounds? i
Have to take a risk on a few more mid pricers I reckon.
Nothing too drastic though.
Completely agree.
But...?
'A
few more mid pricers' is a DRASTIC change to anyone's team.
@colley dogs interesting synopsis...
But
As you rightly say if you do not get the mid-priced mix right then you could be cooked very early
One question that needs to be answered for me is how many trades to we have for the season. If the current number then IMO we can afford to be a bit "gung ho" If the number of trades is less then perhaps a mid-priced strategy becomes a real option
And no byes ... hmmm that to me is even more important as I had pegged out a very rough plan as a bye strategy based on my ideal finishing team ... certainly helped me move up last season
Oh well more questions and no real answers ..
May you live in interesting times ;D
(A statement that is oft quoted as a Chinese curse but has attributed origins with Sir Austen Chamberlain -not Terry Pratchett)
Shiraz tonight ... cool climate .. Truffle Hill 8)
Quote from: RoughRed on March 18, 2020, 12:40:21 AM
@colley dogs interesting synopsis...
But
As you rightly say if you do not get the mid-priced mix right then you could be cooked very early
One question that needs to be answered for me is how many trades to we have for the season. If the current number then IMO we can afford to be a bit "gung ho" If the number of trades is less then perhaps a mid-priced strategy becomes a real option
And no byes ... hmmm that to me is even more important as I had pegged out a very rough plan as a bye strategy based on my ideal finishing team ... certainly helped me move up last season
Oh well more questions and no real answers ..
May you live in interesting times ;D
(A statement that is oft quoted as a Chinese curse but has attributed origins with Sir Austen Chamberlain -not Terry Pratchett)
Shiraz tonight ... cool climate .. Truffle Hill 8)
Roughred.
'Work is the curse of the drinking classes.'
'Shiraz tonight... cool climate... Truffle Hill.'Seems to me we'd get along famously over a red, chatting footy.
Good luck for the season, mate!
Gonna be a
tannic one :)
I'm not so sure it's going to be as drastic as people think
Yes we go from 22 rounds down to 17, but we don't have byes, so that's 3 rounds that were always compromised in the first place. You can argue we're only really losing 2 genuine rounds. We usually complete our sides by the end of the byes anyway, so I'm still aiming to have a complete side by Round 15ish (Will make things interesting for SC finals)
As for rookies making cash, there's a fair chance they are going to change the rookie bubble from 3 games to 2 games, so we could have our starting rookies making cash every week from Round 3
For me, the main area I'm focusing on now is that there's a big chance that at some point during the season we could see teams playing 3-5 matches over 2-3 weeks, so that's going to mean players will be rested and miss games. If this happens, you can pretty much guarantee no player is playing all 17 games this year, and that's why I'm looking at possibly cutting 1 of starting prems and splitting them into 2 mid pricers
I don't think I need to go crazy with mid pricers, especially when we already have so much value mid pricers that we were picking as keepers from the beginning anyway (Dev, Steven etc)
Regardless of teams being named this week, I'm 99% locked on starting Pickett at M9 now. There's just no way I can trust 3 other 120k mid rookies to hold their spots and play week in week out, so I don't want to get exposed there and will now be moving Rowell to M7 with Green at M8
Heh, after saying all of that I thought I would play around and at least just see what I could come up with if I went with a few more mid pricers
I've actually put together a side that I quite like now haha
- 13 keepers (I'm counting Brayshaw, Steven & Dev as fwd keepers as I am picking them with the intention of them being keepers)
- 4 mid priced stepping stones
- GG
- 5 rookies on field (Noble & BZT, Rowell & Green, Taylor)
If ever I was going to have a year where I said, stuff it, YOLO and try something completely different, something against "the rules" then this would be the year to do it. If it fails, who cares? The season is compromised, so might as well try something outside the box and see how it goes!
I really don't understand the need to make any changes to our sides in light of the shortened season honestly.
I will include more midpricers in my side IF rookies I'm depending on currently (Robertson, Starcevich, Budarick etc.) aren't named - this was always happening anyway with or without the coronavirus though.
I have also never had any issue finishing my side in 13-15 rounds, regardless of whether I've gone the guns and rookies approach or started a side with some midpricers involved. Therefore, it's business as usual for me.
We may get less trades, but remember they only gave us 24 trades for a 22 round season before 2013 and people still managed to finish their teams back then just fine.
Less rounds means less chance of us limping over the finish line ;)
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
I really don't understand the need to make any changes to our sides in light of the shortened season honestly.
I will include more midpricers in my side IF rookies I'm depending on currently (Robertson, Starcevich, Budarick etc.) aren't named - this was always happening anyway with or without the coronavirus though.
I have also never had any issue finishing my side in 13-15 rounds, regardless of whether I've gone the guns and rookies approach or started a side with some midpricers involved. Therefore, it's business as usual for me.
We may get less trades, but remember they only gave us 24 trades for a 22 round season before 2013 and people still managed to finish their teams back then just fine.
Less rounds means less chance of us limping over the finish line ;)
100%
I've just put together a side with a few more mid pricers (Plan B) just in case the following happens:
- Lack of rookies
- Potential of teams having to play 3-5 matches over 2-3 weeks, because this is where the resting will happen and we'd want our benches to bat deeper, and mid pricers allow that. GnR teams could be in trouble during this time, relying on a lot of cheap poor scoring rookies to come off the bench and play
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
I really don't understand the need to make any changes to our sides in light of the shortened season honestly.
I will include more midpricers in my side IF rookies I'm depending on currently (Robertson, Starcevich, Budarick etc.) aren't named - this was always happening anyway with or without the coronavirus though.
I have also never had any issue finishing my side in 13-15 rounds, regardless of whether I've gone the guns and rookies approach or started a side with some midpricers involved. Therefore, it's business as usual for me.
We may get less trades, but remember they only gave us 24 trades for a 22 round season before 2013 and people still managed to finish their teams back then just fine.
Less rounds means less chance of us limping over the finish line ;)
100%
I've just put together a side with a few more mid pricers (Plan B) just in case the following happens:
- Lack of rookies
- Potential of teams having to play 3-5 matches over 2-3 weeks, because this is where the resting will happen and we'd want our benches to bat deeper, and mid pricers allow that. GnR teams could be in trouble during this time, relying on a lot of cheap poor scoring rookies to come off the bench and play
Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.
If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
I really don't understand the need to make any changes to our sides in light of the shortened season honestly.
I will include more midpricers in my side IF rookies I'm depending on currently (Robertson, Starcevich, Budarick etc.) aren't named - this was always happening anyway with or without the coronavirus though.
I have also never had any issue finishing my side in 13-15 rounds, regardless of whether I've gone the guns and rookies approach or started a side with some midpricers involved. Therefore, it's business as usual for me.
We may get less trades, but remember they only gave us 24 trades for a 22 round season before 2013 and people still managed to finish their teams back then just fine.
Less rounds means less chance of us limping over the finish line ;)
100%
I've just put together a side with a few more mid pricers (Plan B) just in case the following happens:
- Lack of rookies
- Potential of teams having to play 3-5 matches over 2-3 weeks, because this is where the resting will happen and we'd want our benches to bat deeper, and mid pricers allow that. GnR teams could be in trouble during this time, relying on a lot of cheap poor scoring rookies to come off the bench and play
Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.
If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)
We shouldn't have to wait to much longer to see if it's going ahead the government's rule changes don't forbid the games going ahead so I guess I'm 60/40 that it won't .
Quote from: shaker on March 18, 2020, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
I really don't understand the need to make any changes to our sides in light of the shortened season honestly.
I will include more midpricers in my side IF rookies I'm depending on currently (Robertson, Starcevich, Budarick etc.) aren't named - this was always happening anyway with or without the coronavirus though.
I have also never had any issue finishing my side in 13-15 rounds, regardless of whether I've gone the guns and rookies approach or started a side with some midpricers involved. Therefore, it's business as usual for me.
We may get less trades, but remember they only gave us 24 trades for a 22 round season before 2013 and people still managed to finish their teams back then just fine.
Less rounds means less chance of us limping over the finish line ;)
100%
I've just put together a side with a few more mid pricers (Plan B) just in case the following happens:
- Lack of rookies
- Potential of teams having to play 3-5 matches over 2-3 weeks, because this is where the resting will happen and we'd want our benches to bat deeper, and mid pricers allow that. GnR teams could be in trouble during this time, relying on a lot of cheap poor scoring rookies to come off the bench and play
Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.
If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)
We shouldn't have to wait to much longer to see if it's going ahead the government's rule changes don't forbid the games going ahead so I guess I'm 60/40 that it won't .
The issue is
IF a player got the virus, the league would need to shutdown completely for at
least 14 days.
Now will they need to squeeze in more games over a shorter period to make up for this potential loss of time? Maybe, but they have already shortened the season to 17 games and have hinted they could play right up until December if required. Therefore, I feel like there are a number of measures in place already that could avoid the necessity for 3-5 breaks at all.
You also cannot completely rule out the chance that a player/coach never gets it and we finish the season in August.
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.
If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)
I just can't see how basically every other sport in the world is having to stop, yet AFL will just play every week business as usual
I'm certain there will be a break at some point, which will result in multiple games over a shorter period, and that's when having a bench of trash scoring rookies will hurt
Even if it doesn't happen, it will be much easier to upgrade my mid pricers to prems, as opposed to waiting on more rookies to make enough cash, with only 17 total rounds
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: MontyJnr on March 18, 2020, 01:08:56 PM
Yeah personally I'm really reluctant to jump at shadows and compromise my team now for a situation that may not happen. There is every chance we don't see teams playing with numerous 3-5 day breaks this season.
If it happens, it happens and that's Supercoach. I'm certainly willing to strap myself in for the ride :)
I just can't see how basically every other sport in the world is having to stop, yet AFL will just play every week business as usual
I'm certain there will be a break at some point, which will result in multiple games over a shorter period, and that's when having a bench of trash scoring rookies will hurt
Even if it doesn't happen, it will be much easier to upgrade my mid pricers to prems, as opposed to waiting on more rookies to make enough cash, with only 17 total rounds
Yeah I certainly understand your view and you could be right, but Gil said himself we have "40 weeks to get a 17-week season away". Therefore, my read is we could potentially stop for 4 months and still get away with playing 1 game per week in theory. That alone is enough for me to take a risk that short breaks will be kept to a minimum.
Going a higher MP structure is viable if there is 17 rounds as they might be able to slot in as a F6 or M9 3-4 rounds earlier than an upgrade, these players can then be the luxury trades rather than pure upgrades. For this to work though you need those players to score well enough to be worth it.
The critical piece will be around how fast you can get a full team rather than the best possible team. Normally the best teams are only finishing upgrading the week into finals, being fully upgraded by the BYEs is rare.
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 18, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
Going a higher MP structure is viable if there is 17 rounds as they might be able to slot in as a F6 or M9 3-4 rounds earlier than an upgrade, these players can then be the luxury trades rather than pure upgrades. For this to work though you need those players to score well enough to be worth it.
The critical piece will be around how fast you can get a full team rather than the best possible team. Normally the best teams are only finishing upgrading the week into finals, being fully upgraded by the BYEs is rare.
:o
I think you'll find a lot, if not most higher ranked sides are complete by the end of byes at the latest, usually sometime during
I had 22 prems + Hoff on the bench last year by the end of byes, and most other people around here were either complete or very close to it
Should be complete well before SC finals
This is all referring to a normal year, which is what I believe you were referring to
As for this year, with 17 rounds we need to ramp things up, hence the mid pricers being a legit option
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 18, 2020, 03:16:17 PM
Going a higher MP structure is viable if there is 17 rounds as they might be able to slot in as a F6 or M9 3-4 rounds earlier than an upgrade, these players can then be the luxury trades rather than pure upgrades. For this to work though you need those players to score well enough to be worth it.
The critical piece will be around how fast you can get a full team rather than the best possible team. Normally the best teams are only finishing upgrading the week into finals, being fully upgraded by the BYEs is rare.
:o
I think you'll find a lot, if not most higher ranked sides are complete by the end of byes at the latest, usually sometime during
I had 22 prems + Hoff on the bench last year by the end of byes, and most other people around here were either complete or very close to it
Should be complete well before SC finals
This is all referring to a normal year, which is what I believe you were referring to
As for this year, with 17 rounds we need to ramp things up, hence the mid pricers being a legit option
I mean the teams that are going for league wins and getting best players in all positions. The ones that are top ranked, yes need to be don earlier.
Supercoach has put up the players that have been named but still no word from AFL starting to get a little bit silly now , just make a decision.
With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?
Nic Nat comes to mind for me.
Been made, it’s on!!!!
Quote from: Money Shot on March 18, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?
Nic Nat comes to mind for me.
Not really IMO, risk players will still be managed, but fitter players might play longer. To me this benefits the uber prems as it means they can be in the mix at a higher % of the game.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 18, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?
Nic Nat comes to mind for me.
Or does Naitanui still only play 60% of the shortened game?
OR how will he go if they have to play 2 games in a week.
So much to consider
Both very good points.
Not quite following the rationale for the shorter quarters. Is it because they expect shorter breaks in between games for a team?
Quote from: tkringle on March 18, 2020, 09:47:00 PM
Not quite following the rationale for the shorter quarters. Is it because they expect shorter breaks in between games for a team?
Spot on. If a player does happen to test positive the AFL takes a minimum 14 day break. If that happens a few times then games me need to be played in shorter time frames.
17 x rounds with 2 trades per week = 32 trades (Obv don't count Round 1)
We have 30 trades
Just 1 round we cannot double trade essentially (Or 2 x 1 trades)
Honestly, this changes everything (and removes a fair amount of skill)
D8, M10/11, R3 and F8 I honestly couldn't care who I have in those spots now. As long as they're playing and slowly making money, that's all we can do
Now it's all about getting the best 22 on the park, and just 1 decent bench rookie per line is enough. Heck, we can sideways trade prem keepers now even if they miss a week, if our rookies haven't made enough cash to milk yet
Quote from: jfitty on March 18, 2020, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 18, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?
Nic Nat comes to mind for me.
Or does Naitanui still only play 60% of the shortened game?
OR how will he go if they have to play 2 games in a week.
So much to consider
My understanding is that NN TOG is just that ... a set number of minutes on ground followed by set number off
With a compressed game time IMO his TOG will be determined by the the recovery time that they have allowed in his overall match management. Unless the breaks at Q1- Half- and Q3-times are reduced I believe NN %TOG will increase especially in the 2nd half of matches
Just my thoughts :)
Quote from: RoughRed on March 18, 2020, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: jfitty on March 18, 2020, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 18, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
With 16 min quarters does this make any players more viable?
Nic Nat comes to mind for me.
Or does Naitanui still only play 60% of the shortened game?
OR how will he go if they have to play 2 games in a week.
So much to consider
My understanding is that NN TOG is just that ... a set number of minutes on ground followed by set number off
With a compressed game time IMO his TOG will be determined by the the recovery time that they have allowed in his overall match management. Unless the breaks at Q1- Half- and Q3-times are reduced I believe NN %TOG will increase especially in the 2nd half of matches
Just my thoughts :)
yeah i have a similar view. I cant see Nic Nat playing less minutes than he usually does as he is so crucial to the team. Although i do worry about his injury risk and his sc scoring ceiling when compared to Gawn
seeking opinions
1. Less overall game time means less chip to chip in defense? Thinking lloyd types are a no go
2. Prem mids that Rest forward rather than bench? Appeal ... thinking coniglio is a go. And lessens appeal of say a macrae.
3. No chance you pay up for Gawn now.?
Any other questions
Cooling on Ceglar a bit now. Not sure ruck cover is needed with the abundance of trades?
Quote from: eaglesman on March 19, 2020, 12:35:10 AM
seeking opinions
1. Less overall game time means less chip to chip in defense? Thinking lloyd types are a no go
2. Prem mids that Rest forward rather than bench? Appeal ... thinking coniglio is a go. And lessens appeal of say a macrae.
3. No chance you pay up for Gawn now.?
Any other questions
I don't think 4 minutes shaved off each qtr is going to change much, other than TOG for some players. If teams need to chip around they'll still do that - clubs are going to throw out their game plan just because there's 4 mins less per qtr I would have thought
I can't see any reason why Macrae, or any other elite mid is going to have reduced TOG now. SC points will still be 3300, so if anything the guns will just scale up more
How is Gawn impacted at all?
Quote from: tkringle on March 19, 2020, 12:46:26 AM
Cooling on Ceglar a bit now. Not sure ruck cover is needed with the abundance of trades?
Ruck cover isn't as crucial now it seems, but I'm still going with Ceglar because with Steven now out too there's bugger all forwards I am really comfortable starting, but I reckon Ceglar is priced well, should increase his avg as #1 ruck, and the cover is still handy
We have heaps of trades, but if i can avoid using 2 trades on trading out a ruck then straight back in once they return, that's a win. Who know's, at that particular time you might be wishing you could use your 2 trades that week on other things, instead of being forced to avoid a ruck donut
Had gone off GG but after the news of 2 round price moves instead of 3 I've reverted back to my original team featuring GG. Not concerned anymore.
Something to consider, as we polish our teams.
Gill M talking about the season in terms of games rather than rounds i.e. a '173 game journey' rather than a 17 round season.
Things will remain normal until first lock down. After that it will become ad hoc. We won't be able to define what a 'Round' is anymore. As an example, if there's a shut down in Victoria, they may play the interstate teams in a given week, and vice versa. Consequently, to catch up you might have two teams playing twice when another doesn't play at all. At the end of the season, there's likely to be teams that have finished their allotment of 17 games, when others still have 1-2 games to catch up etc. etc.
It's impossible to play this dynamically with a cap (unlike Fantasy Premier League soccer, where you have a free trade every week, and wildcards, and free hits and so forth).
However, I think it would be wise to spread our risk regionally.
E.g.
All pre-season I've wanted two Bulldogs premium mids (Macrae and Bont). Now I'm thinking of running with Fyfe - Neale - Danger - Bont - Coniglio so I have better geographic spread.
I'm going to apply this to each of my lines, and across Premiums - mid pricers - Rookies. But... only where the call is marginal. For example, Sicily - Houston rather than Laird - Houston, or Laird - Sicily. But Laird - Stewart - Docherty better. You get the point.
Definitely worth considering for head-to-head.
With overall, I think it can offer an advantage. If you're able to save those extra trades, and not spend them too aggressively on early season corrections, you can potentially step off premiums that finish the season early, or onto premiums that have two games in a week, at the back end of the year.
Probably I'm overthinking it... which is fine. I love hunting around for tiny edges.
Anyway, something a little left field to think about as we countdown.
:)
Quote from: Colley Dogs on March 19, 2020, 01:47:44 PM
Something to consider, as we polish our teams.
Gill M talking about the season in terms of games rather than rounds i.e. a '173 game journey' rather than a 17 round season.
Things will remain normal until first lock down. After that it will become ad hoc. We won't be able to define what a 'Round' is anymore. As an example, if there's a shut down in Victoria, they may play the interstate teams in a given week, and vice versa. Consequently, to catch up you might have two teams playing twice when another doesn't play at all. At the end of the season, there's likely to be teams that have finished their allotment of 17 games, when others still have 1-2 games to catch up etc. etc.
It's impossible to play this dynamically with a cap (unlike Fantasy Premier League soccer, where you have a free trade every week, and wildcards, and free hits and so forth).
However, I think it would be wise to spread our risk regionally.
E.g.
All pre-season I've wanted two Bulldogs premium mids (Macrae and Bont). Now I'm thinking of running with Fyfe - Neale - Danger - Bont - Coniglio so I have better geographic spread.
I'm going to apply this to each of my lines, and across Premiums - mid pricers - Rookies. But... only where the call is marginal. For example, Sicily - Houston rather than Laird - Houston, or Laird - Sicily. But Laird - Stewart - Docherty better. You get the point.
Definitely worth considering for head-to-head.
With overall, I think it can offer an advantage. If you're able to save those extra trades, and not spend them too aggressively on early season corrections, you can potentially step off premiums that finish the season early, or onto premiums that have two games in a week, at the back end of the year.
Probably I'm overthinking it... which is fine. I love hunting around for tiny edges.
Anyway, something a little left field to think about as we countdown.
:)
I was under the impression that the second anyone at clubland is diagnosed with C19, the whole comp immediately shuts down for 14 days. Doesn’t matter where you are or which state you are in. The whole AFL gets shutdown for minimum 14 days?
Quote from: Mahogany on March 19, 2020, 07:02:04 PM
I was under the impression that the second anyone at clubland is diagnosed with C19, the whole comp immediately shuts down for 14 days. Doesn’t matter where you are or which state you are in. The whole AFL gets shutdown for minimum 14 days?
Correct
Can't have the comp running when a team is out
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Mahogany on March 19, 2020, 07:02:04 PM
I was under the impression that the second anyone at clubland is diagnosed with C19, the whole comp immediately shuts down for 14 days. Doesn’t matter where you are or which state you are in. The whole AFL gets shutdown for minimum 14 days?
Correct
Can't have the comp running when a team is out
Jerrod Whateley on SEN had a different view of this this morning. He thinks teams could finish weeks before other's and the AFL could shut down states whilst the others kept playing.
I’m starting to contemplate Macrae to Bont now. Shorter quarters will mean less possessions for Macrae vs impact type players like Bont and Bonts scaling is already through the roof. Should only increase. Saves a few dollars as well.
Quote from: no eye deer on March 19, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
I’m starting to contemplate Macrae to Bont now. Shorter quarters will mean less possessions for Macrae vs impact type players like Bont and Bonts scaling is already through the roof. Should only increase. Saves a few dollars as well.
Hadn’t considered it but yeah it’s a good point. Those that rely on high possessions to get big scores may drop a bit.
Both Titch and Neale rely on high possessions. Hmmm
Quote from: tkringle on March 19, 2020, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: no eye deer on March 19, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
I’m starting to contemplate Macrae to Bont now. Shorter quarters will mean less possessions for Macrae vs impact type players like Bont and Bonts scaling is already through the roof. Should only increase. Saves a few dollars as well.
Hadn’t considered it but yeah it’s a good point. Those that rely on high possessions to get big scores may drop a bit.
Both Titch and Neale rely on high possessions. Hmmm
The guys that can find the pill will be even more valuable in lessened game time you would think
Quote from: Wanderer on March 19, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: tkringle on March 19, 2020, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: no eye deer on March 19, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
I’m starting to contemplate Macrae to Bont now. Shorter quarters will mean less possessions for Macrae vs impact type players like Bont and Bonts scaling is already through the roof. Should only increase. Saves a few dollars as well.
Hadn’t considered it but yeah it’s a good point. Those that rely on high possessions to get big scores may drop a bit.
Both Titch and Neale rely on high possessions. Hmmm
The guys that can find the pill will be even more valuable in lessened game time you would think
Only if they are effective with it.
Via Freako
SuperCoach points measure a player's relative impact on a match rather than a sum of their actions. SC points will, therefore, continue to add up to 3300 per match. Despite shortened quarters, individual player scoring will be similar to last year.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Mahogany on March 19, 2020, 07:02:04 PM
I was under the impression that the second anyone at clubland is diagnosed with C19, the whole comp immediately shuts down for 14 days. Doesn’t matter where you are or which state you are in. The whole AFL gets shutdown for minimum 14 days?
Correct
Can't have the comp running when a team is out
Incorrect.
That's why Gill M is calling a '173 game journey' rather than a 17 Round season.
Quote from: Colley Dogs on March 19, 2020, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Mahogany on March 19, 2020, 07:02:04 PM
I was under the impression that the second anyone at clubland is diagnosed with C19, the whole comp immediately shuts down for 14 days. Doesn’t matter where you are or which state you are in. The whole AFL gets shutdown for minimum 14 days?
Correct
Can't have the comp running when a team is out
Incorrect.
That's why Gill M is calling a '173 game journey' rather than a 17 Round season.
17 Rounds x 9 matches per round is 153 games
9 finals
No idea where you're getting 173 from
"Pendlebury’s test result clears one hurdle for AFL chief Gillon McLachlan, who has said if one player tested positive for Covid-19 the AFL would shut down for at least 14 days and possibly longer."
Weitering only 12 disposals, two marks and 3 tackles but scored 102. Is there anything to see here in terms of scaling?
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Weitering only 12 disposals, two marks and 3 tackles but scored 102. Is there anything to see here in terms of scaling?
I'm not sure about the SC side of it, but he did play a very good game. Destroyed Lynch!
Quote from: Rusty00 on March 20, 2020, 11:07:57 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Weitering only 12 disposals, two marks and 3 tackles but scored 102. Is there anything to see here in terms of scaling?
I'm not sure about the SC side of it, but he did play a very good game. Destroyed Lynch!
So they are scaling based on him locking down Lynch
Gil has just said on 3AW that if a single player tests positive the league will be shut down for 30 days...
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Weitering only 12 disposals, two marks and 3 tackles but scored 102. Is there anything to see here in terms of scaling?
This is SC - not DT. It's not just raw stats - impact/influence on match, has always played a big part in SC scoring
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
Via Freako
SuperCoach points measure a player's relative impact on a match rather than a sum of their actions. SC points will, therefore, continue to add up to 3300 per match. Despite shortened quarters, individual player scoring will be similar to last year.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 20, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Weitering only 12 disposals, two marks and 3 tackles but scored 102. Is there anything to see here in terms of scaling?
This is SC - not DT. It's not just raw stats - impact/influence on match, has always played a big part in SC scoring
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
Via Freako
SuperCoach points measure a player's relative impact on a match rather than a sum of their actions. SC points will, therefore, continue to add up to 3300 per match. Despite shortened quarters, individual player scoring will be similar to last year.
and we seen the effect of the 3300 last night - Makes the likes of Bont and Fyfe imo who CD love locks. Both appear to get 100 points for turning up.
Quote from: Ringo on March 20, 2020, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 20, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Weitering only 12 disposals, two marks and 3 tackles but scored 102. Is there anything to see here in terms of scaling?
This is SC - not DT. It's not just raw stats - impact/influence on match, has always played a big part in SC scoring
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
Via Freako
SuperCoach points measure a player's relative impact on a match rather than a sum of their actions. SC points will, therefore, continue to add up to 3300 per match. Despite shortened quarters, individual player scoring will be similar to last year.
and we seen the effect of the 3300 last night - Makes the likes of Bont and Fyfe imo who CD love locks. Both appear to get 100 points for turning up.
Dusty proved that last night
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2020, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: Ringo on March 20, 2020, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 20, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on March 20, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Weitering only 12 disposals, two marks and 3 tackles but scored 102. Is there anything to see here in terms of scaling?
This is SC - not DT. It's not just raw stats - impact/influence on match, has always played a big part in SC scoring
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 08:45:42 PM
Via Freako
SuperCoach points measure a player's relative impact on a match rather than a sum of their actions. SC points will, therefore, continue to add up to 3300 per match. Despite shortened quarters, individual player scoring will be similar to last year.
and we seen the effect of the 3300 last night - Makes the likes of Bont and Fyfe imo who CD love locks. Both appear to get 100 points for turning up.
Dusty proved that last night
You would think Danger is another one that can have a big influence on games
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: Colley Dogs on March 19, 2020, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Mahogany on March 19, 2020, 07:02:04 PM
I was under the impression that the second anyone at clubland is diagnosed with C19, the whole comp immediately shuts down for 14 days. Doesn’t matter where you are or which state you are in. The whole AFL gets shutdown for minimum 14 days?
Correct
Can't have the comp running when a team is out
Incorrect.
That's why Gill M is calling a '173 game journey' rather than a 17 Round season.
17 Rounds x 9 matches per round is 153 games
9 finals
No idea where you're getting 173 from
"Pendlebury’s test result clears one hurdle for AFL chief Gillon McLachlan, who has said if one player tested positive for Covid-19 the AFL would shut down for at least 14 days and possibly longer."
173 is a typo. You're right. It's 153 games.
But you're distracting from my original point.
If there's a confirmed player having the virus mid round (say Saturday morning) lock down will occur immediately for 30 days.
You're making the assumption that following 30+ days, when the fixtures resume, they will occur in the order in which the Round was paused. Logistics will see the AFL reserving the right to adjust fixtures ad hoc as required and plausible.
Things will hold in terms of happening in Rounds until the first shutdown. But once we have the first shutdown (assuming it doesn't happen perfectly between two rounds), you won't be able to define fixtures in term of rounds. It will be a sequence of 153 games in whatever order works.
Nobody's talking about what impact this will have on Supercoach, in terms of strategy. And why should they... it's hardly important considering the circumstances and challenges we face.
This is all I'm trying to say. At some point in the season we're not going to be playing according to a round of 9 games and 18 teams. SC will need to have cut-offs for H2H to work. I'm assuming the cut off will be every 9 games, irrespective of which teams play in that set of 9 games.
I didn't make any assumptions at all
In fact, all I said was that if someone gets it, the comp is shut down for 14 days (now 30) - I just confirmed what mahogany said, which is correct, and not incorrect as you said
Everything else you've said, I never commented on or argued against. Was just confirming the comp shuts down immediately once a single player gets it, nothing more
so the rolling average is only 2 weeks yeah?. If a rookie puts up a monster score, it only rolls for 2 weeks. ??? So I'm thinking slow burn is gunna be slowed even more.
Well I changed my strategy to be around more impact players and Bont has already made me regret that big time. I'm going to be wishing I never changed.
Quote from: IntegralX on March 21, 2020, 01:06:34 PM
Well I changed my strategy to be around more impact players and Bont has already made me regret that big time. I'm going to be wishing I never changed.
I did the same thing on the same theory. But hard to score when he has no impact haha
76 from 15 touches is pretty impressive, with 3 frees against.
I may have missed posts about it but when do player's prices rise and fall after completion of round 2 or 3 ?
Quote from: jfitty on March 21, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on March 21, 2020, 01:06:34 PM
Well I changed my strategy to be around more impact players and Bont has already made me regret that big time. I'm going to be wishing I never changed.
I did the same thing on the same theory. But hard to score when he has no impact haha
76 from 15 touches is pretty impressive, with 3 frees against.
I’m in the same boat but Doggies got smashed. I’m sure he and the Dogs will bounce back especially against the Blues. Considering he had no impact, 76 was a pretty good score.
Quote from: tommy10 on March 21, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: jfitty on March 21, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on March 21, 2020, 01:06:34 PM
Well I changed my strategy to be around more impact players and Bont has already made me regret that big time. I'm going to be wishing I never changed.
I did the same thing on the same theory. But hard to score when he has no impact haha
76 from 15 touches is pretty impressive, with 3 frees against.
I’m in the same boat but Doggies got smashed. I’m sure he and the Dogs will bounce back especially against the Blues. Considering he had no impact, 76 was a pretty good score.
Oliver scores 71 in rd1 last year, and people jumped off. He scored 141 in rd2...
Quote from: tommy10 on March 21, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: jfitty on March 21, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: IntegralX on March 21, 2020, 01:06:34 PM
Well I changed my strategy to be around more impact players and Bont has already made me regret that big time. I'm going to be wishing I never changed.
I did the same thing on the same theory. But hard to score when he has no impact haha
76 from 15 touches is pretty impressive, with 3 frees against.
I’m in the same boat but Doggies got smashed. I’m sure he and the Dogs will bounce back especially against the Blues. Considering he had no impact, 76 was a pretty good score.
The Pies were playing keepings off with a high possession game which gave the doggies mids less chance to be effective. Bont still seemed to score ok considering 3 free against and low possession count. He will most likely pump out a 150+ score against the Blues and happy days again.
That's it folks SA has just closed it's borders at least we got 1 round.
Quote from: shaker on March 22, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
That's it folks SA has just closed it's borders at least we got 1 round.
Showdown next week...
Quote from: js19 on March 22, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: shaker on March 22, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
That's it folks SA has just closed it's borders at least we got 1 round.
Showdown next week...
Maybe but sure this will escalate before next round
Quote from: shaker on March 22, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
That's it folks SA has just closed it's borders at least we got 1 round.
We're about the close our borders in VIC too
They've already said they will talk/work with the league to see if something can be done to allow the comp to continue
Guess we'll find out more soon
I'll just have to watch 2017 2019 GF's on a loop :D
We're on hold until June 1st.
See you all in (hopefully) 2 and a bit months :)
Quote from: SilverLion on March 22, 2020, 10:23:32 PM
See you all in (hopefully) 2 and a bit months :)
With the way things are with the virus I doubt we’ll get a season of footy.