Below is every player currently contracted by a state club. Those at the bottom of each list are rookie contracted.
NSW:
Lalor, Joshua
Conway, Harry
Pisel, Patrick
W Somerville
P Jackson
Qld:
Buchanan, Nick
Bazley, James
McDonald, Ronan
Stanlake, Billy
Wildermuth, Jack
G Moller
R Le Loux
C Brimblecombe
SA:
Botha, Johan
Raphael, Samuel
Worrall, Daniel
Andrews, Tom
Gregory, Alex
Winter, Nick
Tas:
Kingston, Hamish
Lees, Ryan
Webster, Beau
Willis, Sean
Vic:
Tremain, Chris
Ayre, Aaron
Gotch, Seb
Walker, Guy
D King
WA:
Bosisto, William
Dixon, Matt
Morgan, Jaron
Australian Contracts:
Clarke, Michael NSW
Haddin, Brad NSW
Johnson, Mitchell WA
Smith, Steve NSW
Warner, David NSW
I have added a minimum bid price for every player. Please not these are only guides and many are underpriced, however with a one bid only option to secure the services of a player you may need to bid a lot more than that price listed.
The bidding is a once only option, so you have to bid what you think is enough to get this player. I can't stress this enough.
The prices I have for the players, I've taken into consideration the Shield averages, of which I have worked out entirely, their short form impact, which is why some players which have low shield scores are high priced. But also their availability, in the case of the National Squad players.
Good work PB, good work mate.
I get the feeling this bidding thing won't be as practical as it initially seemed.
Looking at prices, there's a clear gap between the players everyone will want and between the ones nobody will want for good reason. This means that pretty much everyone will have to bid overs for whoever they want and even then they're more than likely going to miss out.
For example, if I bid for Finch, Voges, Nevill and Khawaja, just miss out on all of them and don't get any while others are bidding on other guys that will be popular like Abbott, Burns, Lynn and Silk, the teams are going to be super uneven because it's unlikely people are going to bid on guys valued cheaply unless they absolutely have to, which will only happen if they keep missing out.
I'm starting to think a simple draft is going to be a lot better for the equality of this competition. I also firmly believe that those who play FTP have a distinct advantage with this bidding system.
Quote from: Nige on January 28, 2015, 07:36:21 PM
I get the feeling this bidding thing won't be as practical as it initially seemed.
Looking at prices, there's a clear gap between the players everyone will want and between the ones nobody will want for good reason. This means that pretty much everyone will have to bid overs for whoever they want and even then they're more than likely going to miss out.
For example, if I bid for Finch, Voges, Nevill and Khawaja, just miss out on all of them and don't get any while others are bidding on other guys that will be popular like Abbott, Burns, Lynn and Silk, the teams are going to be super uneven because it's unlikely people are going to bid on guys valued cheaply unless they absolutely have to, which will only happen if they keep missing out.
I'm starting to think a simple draft is going to be a lot better for the equality of this competition. I also firmly believe that those who play FTP have a distinct advantage with this bidding system.
I'm not sure what FTP has to do with it at all, this is nothing like the way bidding works in FTP.
I'm still working on the prices, and I have the shield averages in front of me, which I have based my prices on. I've realised I've made some mistakes with what min bid options I have handed out, some too high, some too low, fixing it up now.
In this comp, we should be fielding the top 73% of players available. In WXV's, the top 68% get fielded, so quality wise, there is no difference (theoretically).
I believe that if people do their homework, they can make a good
squad. One way of perhaps limiting uneven teams is to only allow 3 bids per round, so that way most sides should pick up a player in Round 1.
And you have to remember, this is a Shield/Cup/BBL game, not just Shield. So you can load up on T20 players and not do well in the Shield, but come BBL05 and you have Maxwell, Cutting, Finch, and a couple of T20-only players, you will have a decent advantage. ;)
Another option can be the players can be auctioned off at different times. (e.g. All $400k+ players only first)
I think it will work and be as even as the footy comps are (Not much to beat there)
I'm still feeling like a standard snake draft with a randomised draft order has more merit and will be more efficient.
Should we maybe put it to vote?
Nah bid idea will be okay I think, but it needs to be in groupd eg Team by Team or certain prices at a time to make sure teams aren't uneven
I like the idea of an auction, it's something different to a football draft and it better reflects what cricket is really like.
There might be a few problems with it, but I think it's worth trying.
Quote from: Nige on January 28, 2015, 07:57:04 PM
I'm still feeling like a standard snake draft with a randomised draft order has more merit and will be more efficient.
Should we maybe put it to vote?
What BB67th said is why I have it this way. Where in cricket is there a draft? I see auctions at the IPL and I see players given contracts for other comps.
Quote from: R.Griffen on January 28, 2015, 08:00:47 PM
Nah bid idea will be okay I think, but it needs to be in groupd eg Team by Team or certain prices at a time to make sure teams aren't uneven
Would you suggest team grouping then? Issue I see there is the order we do it affects who can bid what. Leaving it open means anyone can bid on any player, whenever they want.
Bingo, new idea!
Bidding is free for all still. You can bid on up to 5 players still. However, at the end of each round, instead of saying who won each player, what I will do, is reveal every player which received at least one bid, and the price range that the bid was in (Between $1,000,000 and $1,100,000, example). If no one outbids the leading bid in the next round, that player will go to the respective manager. If the bid is beaten, then the player will continue to the next round and the same thing occurs.
So this will mean no one will win a player after Round 1, and the first players will be handed out from Round 2. But in Round 2's bidding, you can bid on new players, which will then be put up at the end of Round with their leading bid range.
Confusing? It gives a 2nd chance, and it gives managers an idea of what they need to pay.
Example:
In Round 1, there are two bids for J.Burns
Nige bids $400,000
nrich bids $675,000
At the end of the round, I will say:
J.Burns ($600,000 - $700,000)
Nige sees this, and wanting J.Burns he bids $701,000. At the end of Round 2 I might do this:
J.Burns ($650,000 - $750,000)
{NOTE: The price range can't be the same each time otherwise managers will figure out exactly what the leading bid is}If no one bids on J.Burns next round, Nige gets him. Or also, if say nrich sees the latest one, and decides to bid $700,000 on J.Burns, he will miss out and Nige will get the player.
Now as this goes on there will also be about 20 other players to consider as well, that will have pending bids on them. And up to 5 bids per round per team.
Does that sound better?
If you bid on say Finch and your the highest bid. Then next round someone outbids you. Do you get another round to re-bid?
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 28, 2015, 08:12:17 PM
If you bid on say Finch and your the highest bid. Then next round someone outbids you. Do you get another round to re-bid?
Hmmmm good point alright then. Let me modify my above post, which should fix that problem. My original thought was you can outbid yourself, but that is silly and no one will do it and it will discourage people from making an initial bid.
Done it JB. Nigey, is that a better idea?
Yes this seems much more balanced... Otherwise I could see too many people getting 3 stars by just being $5000 over the last bet.
Quote from: Pkbaldy on January 28, 2015, 08:25:55 PM
Yes this seems much more balanced... Otherwise I could see too many people getting 3 stars by just being $5000 over the last bet.
That sounds good PB...
But there's no chance of me missing out on Burnsy ;)
Good strategy saying that, so we can make you overpay for him ;)
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on January 28, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
Good strategy saying that, so we can make you overpay for him ;)
True, will really hurt when he's on international duty all the time and won't be playing shield.
Alright, we'll go with that then. I think I will be able to send out clarification PMs by the end of the weekend, and then we could open the first one on Monday.
Sounds good PB.
Just one thing though, who will be getting which team?
Quote from: nrich102 on January 28, 2015, 09:52:11 PM
Sounds good PB.
Just one thing though, who will be getting which team?
I've sorted all that out and written it down somewhere :) You'll find out soon enough
Cool :)
Question: does the team who has the leading bid get told they have the leading bid? Example:
I bid on Joe Bloggs 30,000. No other bids.
PB announces Joe Bloggs' leading bid is in the 0-100,000 range.
If I don't know whether I'm the leading bid or not, I could panic and 'outbid myself' if you know what I mean?
Quote from: Scrads on February 01, 2015, 05:49:15 PM
Question: does the team who has the leading bid get told they have the leading bid? Example:
I bid on Joe Bloggs 30,000. No other bids.
PB announces Joe Bloggs' leading bid is in the 0-100,000 range.
If I don't know whether I'm the leading bid or not, I could panic and 'outbid myself' if you know what I mean?
I wasn't going to tell anyone who leading the bidder is.
Quote from: PowerBug on February 01, 2015, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: Scrads on February 01, 2015, 05:49:15 PM
Question: does the team who has the leading bid get told they have the leading bid? Example:
I bid on Joe Bloggs 30,000. No other bids.
PB announces Joe Bloggs' leading bid is in the 0-100,000 range.
If I don't know whether I'm the leading bid or not, I could panic and 'outbid myself' if you know what I mean?
I wasn't going to tell anyone who leading the bidder is.
So in that scenario above, if I then make another bid will that out-bid myself if no-one else bids? Or will I just get him for the lower bid due to no one else bidding?
Quote from: Scrads on February 01, 2015, 07:04:34 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on February 01, 2015, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: Scrads on February 01, 2015, 05:49:15 PM
Question: does the team who has the leading bid get told they have the leading bid? Example:
I bid on Joe Bloggs 30,000. No other bids.
PB announces Joe Bloggs' leading bid is in the 0-100,000 range.
If I don't know whether I'm the leading bid or not, I could panic and 'outbid myself' if you know what I mean?
I wasn't going to tell anyone who leading the bidder is.
So in that scenario above, if I then make another bid will that out-bid myself if no-one else bids? Or will I just get him for the lower bid due to no one else bidding?
Hmmm, good question. I'm going to say, the player will be given to you since no one else was interested, however you will pay for the higher bid.
Dont bid less then 50k then :P
That's right, I knew I had a reason. I am not revealing who has the leading bid to everyone because it may result in people being biased as to whether they choose to outbid or not. E.g. I want to piss of nrich so he doesn't get Burns, but realising that he is the leading bid, I may outbid just for the sake of it.
However, maybe sending each team a private message after the round so say "You are leading the bidding on the following players" might be a good idea.
Quote from: PowerBug on February 01, 2015, 09:25:34 PM
That's right, I knew I had a reason. I am not revealing who has the leading bid to everyone because it may result in people being biased as to whether they choose to outbid or not. E.g. I want to piss of nrich so he doesn't get Burns, but realising that he is the leading bid, I may outbid just for the sake of it.
However, maybe sending each team a private message after the round so say "You are leading the bidding on the following players" might be a good idea.
I agree with this, otherwise teams may waste bids (and money) on players they already are leading.
Starting to think about it, that seems a fair idea yeah
Quote from: PowerBug on February 01, 2015, 09:41:43 PM
Starting to think about it, that seems a fair idea yeah
Excellent!
I think I have crossed off everyone sold up to the end of Round 5. If I missed anyone let me know :)
Quote from: PowerBug on February 10, 2015, 10:55:37 PM
I think I have crossed off everyone sold up to the end of Round 5. If I missed anyone let me know :)
Peter Forrest. I own him
And Michael Hogan. I own him too
And Fekete. I don't own him though :(
Also Alex Doolan (Signed by SA)
As you can see, the title of this thread has changed. How and when these Free Agents will be available for selection is to be decided. Discussion on that will take place in the appropriate thread whenever you want.
Hey look at that, BBL captain Michael Clarke is a free agent.
dibs
Australian Contracts:
Clarke, Michael NSW
Haddin, Brad NSW
Johnson, Mitchell WA
Smith, Steve NSW
Warner, David NSW
Well well well look at the list of free agents we have here. Some value there especially with Clarke not having retired from domestic cricket at this stage.