Since this has been put up on other boards what do you reckon would be the best selection for our clubs 22?
FB: Grimes Rance Astbury
HB: Houli Chaplin Yarran
MID: B Ellis Vlastuin Hunt
HF: Edwards Riewoldt Deledio
FF: Martin Vickery Lennon
Fol: Maric Cotchin Miles
INT: McIntosh McBean Grigg Bachelor
Obviously we still have the drafts but I can't see how anyone could walk into the best 22 straight form the draft.
I'd have Griffiths over McBean but hopefully this is the year McBean becomes a regular.
Only way I can see a kid from the draft breaking in early is if we find a genuine quick small forward that we've been waiting for forever
Yep, Griff will likely start over McBean. They'll probably both be in and out as the third tall.
Not overly sure Astbury will start, Batch is now in front of him but Astbury and Matty Dea are almost certain the next two defenders in the queue.
I'd take Astbury out and chuck Kane Lambert in, he was super once he came back from his shoulder injury and he's a good chance to be a fixture in the 22.
Yeah I was thinking about Lambert he was quality this year.
But make your own god damn team.
FB: Grimes Rance Batchelor
HB: Houli Chaplin Yarran
MID: B Ellis Vlastuin Grigg
HF: Edwards Riewoldt Deledio
FF: Martin Vickery Lennon
Fol: Maric Cotchin Miles
INT: McIntosh Griffiths Conca Lambert
Too easy. 8) :P
Didn't want to switch any of the wingers?
Quote from: Nige on October 25, 2015, 05:44:58 PM
FB: Grimes Rance Batchelor
HB: Houli Chaplin Yarran
MID: B Ellis Vlastuin Grigg
HF: Edwards Riewoldt Deledio
FF: Martin Vickery Lennon
Fol: Maric Cotchin Miles
INT: McIntosh Griffiths Conca Lambert
Too easy. 8) :P
needs more mcbean
Quote from: Kellogscrunchynut on October 25, 2015, 05:56:55 PM
Didn't want to switch any of the wingers?
I could put Kamdyn on the wing and Grigg on the bench if you really want. :P
Quote from: Big Mac on October 25, 2015, 06:50:09 PM
needs more mcbean
I love him and Griff equally, it hurts me to have to omit one.
FB: Grimes Rance Batchelor
HB: Houli Chaplin Vlastuin
C: B.Ellis Martin McIntosh
HF: Deledio Riewoldt Edwards
FF: Yarran Vickery Lennon
Fol: Maric Cotchin Miles
Int: Lambert Griffiths Grigg C.Ellis
Conca could easily be in ahead of Corey Ellis. Not sure where they are planning on playing Yarran, if halfback then Vlastuin on to the interchange for Ellis/Conca and then Sam Lloyd into the FP.
Yaz plays in defence, Dan Richardson has pretty much sent that message out from day one. Batchelor can go, he was horrible against Waite and deserves to be exiled.
Bachelor was a poor match up for any of the North Melbourne forwards. Not his fault, the coaching staff should have recognised that and played someone like Astbury instead. Generally last year Batch was good - he's not flashy but he's a pretty good defender for just keeping his opponent quiet.
Quote from: Bully on October 25, 2015, 08:52:20 PM
Yaz plays in defence, Dan Richardson has pretty much sent that message out from day one. Batchelor can go, he was horrible against Waite and deserves to be exiled.
Was good all year though. North are tough to match up on with so many giant forwards
Really excited to see Lennon, McBean and Corey Ellis have big seasons. Think they can all be locked in the side by seasons end.
Griffiths needs a big year. Vickery and him have been going back and forth with who shows glimpses and good form and right now I would say Vickery is slightly ahead.
Hampson needs a really big year. We paid a high price for him and so far he's just been a fill in when Maric is injured.
Astbury is another one that is becoming frustrating.
I'm not saying they are no good but I don't think Players like Chaplin, Grigg, Batchelor and Hunt should be walk up starters like they are at the moment so we need players below them making some real competition.
Big year for us I reckon. Will tell a lot too weather we have the list to actually win a flag or if we need to strip it back a bit and top up
who will bring the ball out of defense the most. Houli or Yaz?
Houli, though I only say that because I want Yaz to play forward.
I think Yarran. Got a feeling we will see Houli higher up the ground and across half forward a bit more this year. Was experimented with a few times last year and worked really well. He also eluded to it in an interview on the RFC website
So the AFL site has put all the best 22s post-drafts. Here's ours:
B: Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin, Nick Vlastuin
HB: Chris Yarran, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
C: Brandon Ellis, Anthony Miles, Kamdyn McIntosh
HF: Brett Deledio, Jack Riewoldt, Dustin Martin
F: Ben Lennon, Ty Vickery, Shane Edwards
Foll: Ivan Maric, Trent Cotchin, Jacob Townsend
I/C: Corey Ellis, Shaun Grigg, Jake Batchelor, Ben Griffiths
DEPTH
Key-position defenders: David Astbury, Nathan Broad, Todd Elton
General defenders: Taylor Hunt, Steven Morris
Key-position forwards: Liam McBean, Reece McKenzie, Callum Moore*
General forwards: Sam Lloyd, Oleg Markov, Daniel Rioli
Midfielders: Dan Butler, Jason Castagna*, Reece Conca, Nathan Drummond, Kane Lambert, Adam Marcon*, Connor Menadue, Andrew Moore, Jayden Short*
Rucks: Mabior Chol*, Shaun Hampson, Ivan Soldo*
Recruit Jacob Townsend is selected ahead of Reece Conca because of his inside strengths and the fact he was recruited to play a specific role in support of Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles. Townsend also forces Kane Lambert out of the team. In the backline Chris Yarran is selected on a flank, where Richmond has stated it would like to play him. This gives the team two solid rebounding options. Nick Vlastuin is not expected to make a transition into the midfield in 2016 and remains a lockdown specialist in this 22, forcing Jake Batchelor (who is still required for height) on to the bench and the versatile Dylan Grimes to play tall. Corey Ellis is expected to entrench himself in the best 22 and Kamdyn McIntosh already has. - Nathan Schmook
I think it's true that Conca, Lambert, Townsend are fighting for one spot. Moore is depth until he proves otherwise while Hunt is depth.
The forwards are pretty much no surprise, Lids and Dusty will obviously have midfield minutes but get opportunities forward.
Rioli might get a run at some stage this year and Griffiths really has to prove that the three talls approach (Jack, Ty, Griff) works for us or he'll be swapped out for a small or for McBean.
I think Grigg and Chappy have been great servants for the club and play their roles well, Grigg arguably come off a career best year, but with the younger guys coming through, I reckon both could be on notice to perform well enough or risk being moved on for a new and younger fella.
I don't see Lambert getting squeezed out
Talk about overrated, Townsend would be lucky to play 5 games.
Roll on round 1
Interesting they have Broad as key position depth, based on my conversation with Rico I'm not so sure about that. We actually seem very thin in defence, pray that Rance, Grimes & Chaplin maintain their fitness.
Quote from: Bully on November 30, 2015, 06:07:25 PM
Interesting they have Broad as key position depth, based on my conversation with Rico I'm not so sure about that. We actually seem very thin in defence, pray that Rance, Grimes & Chaplin maintain their fitness.
Yeah I wouldn't have thought broad was a key defender.
Rance, Chaplin and Astbury are all very capable and then Grimes and Batchelor can play tall or small
Herald Sun article on the Richmond best 22: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-tigers-best-22-2016-ben-griffiths-needs-luck-kamdyn-mcintosh-ready-to-shine-/news-story/baa8d59a0ddfa209f99716320fcfffac
QuoteTHREE years and three elimination final exits.
Also known as the Tiger conundrum or the stuff of nightmares for coach Damien Hardwick.
Yet, not much needs to change for Richmond to head deep into September next year, with its best 22 largely unchanged from this season.
But one Tiger will be hoping something does change â€" his luck.
Ben Griffiths was part of the Tigers’ three-pronged tall forward attack before a shocking run of injuries disrupted the form he’d been trying to find for years.
Not only did he miss games through concussion and a minor calf strain, but he was also sidelined for eight weeks after requiring two separate surgeries on his shoulder and finger.
“The off season gives you a lot of time to reflect and look at the stuff that you need to work on,†Ben Griffiths told the club website.
“You can go back to the drawing board, and start afresh on day one of preseason.
“The way im going at the moment, I’m definitely pushing myself to new levels.
“I’ve trimmed down a little bit to try and increase my endurance, but for me, the main thing is contested marking, as it is for most of the taller guys.â€
Despite missing a large chunk of the season, Griffiths returned for the Tigers’ elimination final loss to North Melbourne.
Outmuscled by the eighth-placed Kangaroos, Griffiths says the Tigers’ focus this off-season has been on their physicality.
“We need to get that ruthlessness about us and I think we’re all working extremely hard against each other and against ourselves to drive better standards and get better,†Griffiths said.
“The competition within the club is great because it forces each and every one of us to train harder and get better, which in turn is a better thing for the club so the competition can only be a really positive thing for us.â€
LOCKS
Alex Rance, Bachar Houli, Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt, Ivan Maric, Anthony Miles, Brett Deledio
RISING STAR
Daniel Rioli
The standout at this year’s draft combine, Rioli has elite speed and endurance, not to mention that very famous surname. Originally from the Tiwi Islands, Rioli recorded the fastest time in the 30 metre repeat sprints, and finished in the top 10 in four other categories to receive the award for best all-round performer at the combine. Already, he’s confident that he’s faster than “cousin†Cyril Rioli.
THE BUBBLE
Kamdyn McIntosh
The 21-year-old’s AFL debut in Round 1 was outstanding. Not only did he collect 23 disposals, nine marks and a goal, but was also awarded with a Rising Star nomination. He went on to play in all 23 games for the Tigers, averaging 15.4 disposals in what was an impressively consistent debut season. With another preseason under his belt, the WA native possesses all the qualities to become one of the Tigers’ elite players next year.
IT’S A BIG YEAR FOR ...
Dustin Martin
And not because the 24-year-old needs to prove himself on the field. Rarely beaten one-on-one, Martin capped off his wonderful 2015 season with a second placing in the Richmond best and fairest. But then December happened and the well-documented chopstick incident, which is now the subject of a police investigation. Regardless of the outcome, it’s going to be a big year for Martin, who will face some kind of internal sanction from the Tigers.
RICHMOND’S BEST 22
B: Jake Batchelor, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli, Troy Chaplin, Nick Vlaustin
C: Brandon Ellis, Trent Cotchin, Chris Yarran
HF: Dustin Martin, Tyrone Vickery, Brett Deledio
F: Shane Edwards, Jack Riewoldt, Ben Griffiths
FOLL: Ivan Maric, Anthony Miles, Kane Lambert
I/C: Shaun Grigg, Reece Conca, Taylor Hunt, Kamdyn McIntosh
EMERGENCY: Ben Lennon, Sam Lloyd, Steve Morris
OTHERS: David Astbury, Nathan Broad, Daniel Butler, Nathan Drummond, Corey Ellis, Todd Elton, Oleg Markov, Liam McBean, Reece McKenzie, Connor Menadue, Andrew Moore, Shaun Hampson, Daniel Rioli, Jacob Townsend
ROOKIES: Jason Castagna, Mabior Chol, Adam Marcon, Callum Moore, Jayden Short, Ivan Soldo
You all are missing Richmond's most important player in their best 22 ;)
The shrink ;D
Quote from: tbagrocks on December 22, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
You all are missing Richmond's most important player in their best 22 ;)
The shrink ;D
Better than the Crow's most important player...
Michael Talia ;D
Quote from: tbagrocks on December 22, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
You all are missing Richmond's most important player in their best 22 ;)
The shrink ;D
ROFL ;D
Yaz is battling a calf issue and probably won't play for the first 'third' of the year according to Dimma. Means one more spot for a bunch of blokes to battle over.
Quote from: Nige on February 17, 2016, 11:57:37 AM
Yaz is battling a calf issue and probably won't play for the first 'third' of the year according to Dimma. Means one more spot for a bunch of blokes to battle over.
Hopefully he gives birth soon ;D :-X
Broad hopefully! Good for SuperCoach
I still really want Castagna to be elevated and given a shot.
Broad sounds like he's impressing big time. Looking forwards to seeing what he can bring to the table.
Quote from: Nige on February 17, 2016, 05:53:01 PM
I still really want Castagna to be elevated and given a shot.
Same, for obvious reasons
I've heard a bit about Chaplin training with the forwards so Astbury can fit in down back. Anyone confirm this?
Quote from: quinny88 on February 17, 2016, 09:46:55 PM
I've heard a bit about Chaplin training with the forwards so Astbury can fit in down back. Anyone confirm this?
Interesting. Haven't really heard much myself, though I haven't really looked into it or been paying too much attention really. Astbury and Chappy can play similar roles down back but I can't help but feel throwing Chappy forward could be the Steve Morris experiment all over again. :-X Unless he goals and celebrates like he did v Port, then I'm all for it. ;D
So I thought I'd take the NAB 3 squad and make our 'best 22' from it.
Obviously a few mainstays aren't playing as you'll see, but I think it also helps gauge who is in the frame for selection and battling for the last few, debatable spots because for the most part, it's a fairly full strength team that we've picked.
1. Nick Vlastuin, 2. Dylan Grimes, 3. Brett Deledio, 4. Dustin Martin, 5. Brandon Ellis, 6. Shaun Grigg, 7. Ben Lennon, 8. Jack Riewoldt, 9. Trent Cotchin, 10. Shane Edwards, 12. David Astbury, 14. Bachar Houli, 15. Andrew Moore, 16. Shaun Hampson, 17. Daniel Rioli, 18. Alex Rance, 21. Jacob Townsend, 23. Kane Lambert, 24. Ben Griffiths, 29. Ty Vickery, 30. Reece Conca, 33. Kamdyn McIntosh, 35. Nathan Broad, 37. Connor Menadue, 41. Mabior Chol, 44. Adam Marcon, 46. Jason Castagna
Notable absentees: Anthony Miles, Ivan Maric, Taylor Hunt, Troy Chaplin
B: Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, David Astbury
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Nathan Broad
C: Brandon Ellis, Trent Cotchin, Connor Menadue
HF: Dustin Martin, Tyrone Vickery, Brett Deledio
F: Ben Lennon, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards
Foll: Shaun Hampson, Jacob Townsend, Kane Lambert
IC: Reece Conca, Kamdyn McIntosh, Shaun Grigg, Ben Griffiths
E: Andrew Moore, Daniel Rioli, Mabior Chol, Adam Marcon, Jason Castagna.
So I opted for experience mainly, but also picked some of newer/younger guys. Miles, Maric and Chaplin come in, along with an omitted notable absentee in Batchelor. Hunt isn't best 22 anymore. Yarran is also one to keep in mind. That means there are five players to be 'replaced'.
Astbury -> Batchelor
Broad -> Yarran
Hampson -> Maric
That leaves Chaplin and Miles. Both will be best 22, no doubt about it. Miles plays in the middle, but I think Townsend will remain in the side, he's been impressive and done enough. It looks like we're gonna try the three talls - Griff, Ty and Jack which makes the decision harder. I think Menadue has been superb and might get a run. Needs to add to his frame, but everything else he has to offer earns him a spot on the wing/interchange. Also should be noted Chaplin's been used as a forward so far in 2016 and I think that will continue to be the case.
So really, the Miles -> Townsend and Menadue -> Chaplin with the team being shuffled around a bit as a result, but I think the pressure is gonna be on guys like Griffiths, Conca, McIntosh and Lambert to keep their spots.
Feel free to tear that apart, but I guess it's just worth thinking about and watching NAB 3 to see whether it supports or trashes what I've suggested.
Can't argue with anything there Nige. Big game for some players tonight To put their hand up. Talk of Yarran being a shock inclusion for the round 1 side as well which will make things interesting
What are your boys thoughts on Menadue and Broad? Most of the FF community are all over them but I'm not sold on their job security.
Lock Menadue in I reckon. It sounds like Grigg and Conca are going to miss a couple of matches and so Menadue will get a chance I'm pretty sure. Good performances will keep others out. He has also has insane speed and a nice kick which should help his chances as well, we lack both at times. Broad's less likely. Needs to break into the back six which is pretty settled. Consistently good VFL chances or an injury and he'll come straight in I believe.
Broad may have had a better chance if Yaz was gonna miss the first 6 weeks but now he looks like playing round 1
AFL site had this:
B: Nick Vlastuin, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB: Reece Conca, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
C: Brandon Ellis, Jacob Townsend, Dustin Martin
HF: Brett Deledio, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards
F: Ben Griffiths, Ty Vickery, Ben Lennon
FOLL: Ivan Maric, Trent Cotchin, Anthony Miles
INT: Chris Yarran, Kane Lambert, Shaun Grigg, Connor Menadue
There are a dozen locks for the Tigers' best team this season, but it gets tricky thereafter with a lot of competition down to their 30th player. David Astbury has won the battle with Troy Chaplin for a key defensive post and it appears unlikely at this stage Chaplin can fit into an already tall forward line. Ben Lennon gets first crack as a small/medium forward ahead of Sam Lloyd and draftee Daniel Rioli, while Kamdyn McIntosh is squeezed out for impressive youngster Connor Menadue. Jacob Townsend was recruited for a reason and has shown his hardness will be an asset to the midfield. The Tigers will hope Corey Ellis is in their best team by the end of the year. â€" Nathan Schmook
Chaplin not in the 22 is interesting. Think the coaches value him much higher than outsiders do