The AFL, an elusive sport which competing teams battle for the ultimate prize of eternal premiership glory. Players tirelessly train under there selected coaches to dream that they can one day be champions. "Champions" a loose term used for players who have experienced glory, Chris Judd or Gary Ablett both experienced a win in that one day of september. They are known for the glory, their workrate, their respected status. But what if there are players in our game who play, week in, week out, unnoticed. Notching up great statistics every match, contributing to the clubs structure, but still, the people in our society and the media fail to comprehend their full potential. These are five individual players who undoubtedly are not completely recognised for the players they are.
5. Scott Thompson
Amidst the horror year at Adelaide, Thompson appearing this year and amassing 21 games notching up a massive 50 disposal effort against Gold Coast and averaging just over 30 disposals a game, Thompson undoubtedly shines over the shallow depth of the Adelaide midfield. The inconsistent likes of Bernie Vince and Nathan Van Berlo, we continue to see the further eventuated position of elite status of the superstar player
4. Jack Redden
This player is at the young age of 20 and already averages 24 disposals and does not get the same acknowledgement as his counterparts of Tom Rockliff and Daniel Rich. A superstar player weekly gathering disposals and using it to a high effectiveness and averaging over 7 tackles per game resulting in the great physical prowess he presents. It will eventually be known, when the Brisbane Lions perform better, this player can be one of the most elite in the competition.
3. Ben Johnson
With the likes of Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury and many more support acts of one of the best teams in the competition, their will always be players who go unoticed, Ben Johnson is possibly one of the best rebounding defenders in the competition. It is easy to scoff at that statement but as Heath Shaw's displacement from the team, Johnson has relinquished his position and had averaged just over 22 disposals this year, although injury has dogged him , he is the ultimate wheel in Collingwood's premiership battle. His great ability to shut down opponents whilst hurting them with his slick and effective ball use is simply amazing
2. Ben Reid
This Collingwood defender is one of the best competition at reading the play and rebounding from the opposition, his tall stature and complete role as a defender is still completely undervalued at the great club that he plays for. It is almost certain that Reid will become All - Australian this year and hopefully be known by our society as one of the best in our game
1. Josh P. Kennedy
The recycled player from Hawthorn, did not show a lot of promise at his old club and not many people could see why they picked up this bloke. Sydney are now laughing as this player has emerged from nowhere to reach elite status but is still not recognised. Fifth in Contested possessions and sixth in clearances, an absolute star considering he is named in top 5 contested possession winners amongst superstars GAJ, Judd, Boyd and Priddis. Im sure not many people would rate him amongst the likes of those players.
This is my list, if there is something you don't agree with or other players you would like to mention, please reply in a respectful manner in accordance with Fan Footy's rules
Signing Out
Cam_Nash
Like your work. Agree with Redden he played every game this year and was the Lions top scoring player in DT ahead of the others. Whilst he was the second on averages only just behind Rockliff. may be a reasonable pick up for next yaer at around $110k cheaper than Rockliff.
A smokey would have to be Shane Tuck, I know his ball distribution is pretty poor/average, but his willingness never to give up on making the team, and to get the hard ball is highly underrated.
Scott Thompson is a huge one as well, he hasn't had a lot of time to be rated though, this has been a massive break out year for him.
Very True, Tuck dogged with injury is possibly a good buy next year
Quote from: Cam_Nash on September 05, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
Very True, Tuck dogged with injury is possibly a good buy next year
bet you he gets delisted
Quote from: CFC 1979 on September 05, 2011, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: Cam_Nash on September 05, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
Very True, Tuck dogged with injury is possibly a good buy next year
bet you he gets delisted
Heard a rumour that he may be about to re sign. No proof and I'm not sure if there is any substance to it either.
Ben ried is not underrated. Clearly your a filthy scum pies supporter. Goooood win against geelong on the weekend, you really won. Lolzier.
Joe_xuereb
Quote from: Joseph_Xuereb on September 06, 2011, 09:08:23 AM
Ben ried is not underrated. Clearly your a filthy scum pies supporter. Goooood win against geelong on the weekend, you really won. Lolzier.
Joe_xuereb
There is no need for your attitude. If you don't agree with him don't reply.
I hope he is a filthy scum REIGHNING PREMIERS AND MINOR PREMIERS pies supporter.
Aren't you supposed to be in class little boy?
Kennedy sucks.
Can't kick, doesn't get as much of the pill as the good contested ball winners like Swallow, Mitchell, Boyd and Thompson. Sure he wins contested ball, but doesn't get any uncontested ball, so he must not be working hard enough to get into space. All he can do is wait for a stoppage, win the ball and dish off an ineffective handball.
1. Dayne Beams. Has been the best player for his age since he entered the competition, and has reached the elite level. Is as good as any Collingwood midfielder.
2, Kade Simpson
3. Farren Ray
4. James Gwilt
5. Gary Ablett junior. The fact that some people don't rate him as the best player in the AFL shows that he is still underated.
You forgot Drummond Meow. Thought he would have been top of your list,
Clearly he is a collingwood supporter though.
Dayne Beams is not underated, the amount of attention he has got after his trip back from altitude training and his elite form was amazing, his prescence and story is known all over Australia. "meow meow", you say Kennedy sucks because he doesnt win any uncontested possesion, that is ridiculous, you need to work harder to win contested possesion and have a great ability to read the play, as listed, Priddis, Judd, GAJ and Boyd must not work hard enough to get into space by your standards then. It is completely arguable that Ablett is the best and i could argue that Judd or Pendles are better then him at the moment. Lets see how he polls in the brownlow this year.
Dane Beams isn't Dane Swan.
See, you don't even know who he is!!!
Kennedy sucks and he isn't mentioned in the same regard as the players you listed, because he isn't as good. He doesn't set much up, unlike Judd and Priddis. Boyd and Ablett accumate possessions around the ground due to having a superior workrate and willingness to get into space.
Argue that Pendlebury is better than Ablett. Go on.
Beams went to Arizona after he fractured his foot for four weeks,
"Kennedy sucks and he isn't mentioned in the same regard as the players you listed"
What am i talking about!!! What is this topic?
Underated players, I think he should be mentioned to the same regard of those players who are listed
and maybe not Pendles but Judd is better than GAJ
just a quick few off the top in no order
Thomas Murphy - I think this guy does a great job and holds up the hawks backline more than people notice
Ben Johnson - Great solid provider for the club but gets over shadowed with Swan and Pendles and Thomas around.
James Kelly - I rate James quite alot i think he is close to being geelongs best player and i don't think he gets quite enough recognition of how good he actually is
Mitch Robinson - Another great midfielder but he is also overshadowed by players like Judd and Murphy.
Sam Jacobs - has been a great ruckman for adelaide this year and is highly underated.
Quote from: Cam_Nash on September 06, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
Beams went to Arizona after he fractured his foot for four weeks,
Now you're just making things up.
Kennedy as good as Ablett, Boyd and Judd? Lol of course he is.
Have to agree with Kelly, superstar player
Quote from: pothead on September 06, 2011, 06:35:10 PM
Thomas Murphy - I think this guy does a great job and holds up the hawks backline more than people notice
Mitch Robinson - Another great midfielder but he is also overshadowed by players like Judd and Murphy.
Murphy is a terrible kick when under any pressure.
Robinson is inconsistent, and has no brain. His best is very good though.
Kennedy is underated
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/meet-the-20-afl-players-who-deserve-more-love/story-fn7si05c-1226114536271
Have a good one champion, theres someone who actually knows what he's talking about, a proffesional journalist
Oh. Well if Mark Stevens says so...
I think M. Robinson is underrated.
Do you guys think that Scott Selwood is underrated?
Massive amount of tackles (8.9 a game) and i think that's close to a record.
Also has massive scalps in terms of tagging. (Judd, Cotchin)
Your on the ball there "Elephants", One short of all time record in one season of AFL footy, 182 tackles, a staggering number of tackles
Jobe Watson perhaps? :o
Tom Murphy is crap pothead lol.
And I dont rate Ben Johnson either. Handy, but can't kick a drop punt.
some people may say this guy is overated but in my eyes he is underated
Justin Koschitzke
Gets bagged by everyone about how he has never played up to his potential, but really he is so important to the Saints structure that since his return this season, we have barely skipped a beat.
we lost to sydney 3 weeks ago because he wasnt there to support rooey
Jobe Watson is definitely underated
Nick Maxwell = UNDERRATED
he is a premiership player and captain, he had an average year this year but last year he was great and played a big part in the premiership. He will play a massive role this year in the granny also and hopefully dosent get delisted at the end of the year, jks ;)
Carn the giants
This might help you out "Method man"
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/maxwell-magpies-onfield-coach-obrien-20110906-1jv9a.html
Quote from: Maca24 on September 06, 2011, 08:45:54 PM
Tom Murphy is crap pothead lol.
And I dont rate Ben Johnson either. Handy, but can't kick a drop punt.
he might not be the best in the league but he holds up the hawks backline and goes unnoticed and doesnt get enough credit for what he does i reckon
These players are not underated, but players that could be good next year.
I'm looking at some of the top 10 players in the 2008 draft. Next year will be their 4th year, and these blokes should really start to deliver, and will all represent value at next years price.
Pick 1. Nic Nat has taken his game to a new level
Pick 2. Jack Watts has finally started to deliver
Pick 4. Hamish Hartlett is underated, but highly rated at Port
Pick 5 and 6. Yarren and Hurley should improve further
Pick 8. Tyrone Vickery has taken a while to develop being a big bloke, but showed some very good signs this year
Pick 9. Jack Ziebell. Have a look at Ziebells last 6 games, excluding the 4 he got in R23 when he got knocked out and subbed in the first few minutes. His scores are 151, 121, 90, 112, 124. An average of 119 to finish off the season, but has a season average of 79, due to a slow start. Has yet to have a full pre season, therefore started slowly because of fitness issues. If he gets a full pre season then he could be a huge bargain with season average of 79.
All of these players should improve further in their 4th season on whet they delivered in 2011. Steele Sidebottom was pick 10 and could also be considered, however will come with a bigger price tag than the others.
Nic Nat was pick 1? MELBOURNE WISHES HE WAS
Nic Nat is close to the most overrated player in the competition, god I'm sick of hearing about his "freakish ability". Sure, he occasionally does the odd running goal or pack mark, but that's it, that's all he will do in the game and he gets so much credit for it. As soon as he starts being consistent and doesn't just do 2 or 3 good things per game I'll start calling him a good player. As bad as Jack Watts has been, I'd rather have him at the moment.
though i do like beams, and mitch robinson can play a blinder here and there, you cant call a teams 4/5/6th string midfielders as underrated because they are able to run free and find space that their teams better mids create for them. Very few players in victoria can be considered underrated due to the saturation of media, further the only commentator who has any idea about WA footy is Cometti, and not sure if there are any who know about the SA clubs or the northern ones.
Had it not been for fantasy, Broughton would not be recognised as a good player at all, and despite his low scoring season (barring the mid-year explosion) he still plays his role very well. Shannon Hurn is massively underrated. Agree entirely with S. Thompson and Redden, though i think Thompson has always been considered very good, but not quite elite.
I still think Natanui is overrated by a lot of people, as his impact on the game is few and far between, but does a good job as cox's no. 2
Even a stupid Victorian like me can see that Nic Nat is now the number 1 ruck at the Eagles.
Quote from: meow meow on September 07, 2011, 01:58:37 PM
Even a stupid Victorian like me can see that Nic Nat is now the number 1 ruck at the Eagles.
That's why he didn't make the AA squad and the #2 ruckman at the Eagles did ::)
For the first time this season, Champion Data is measuring the effect each ruckman, combination of midfielders, and combination of foursomes at centre bounces are having.
The stats boffins have been blown away by Naitanui's effect since round 19.
In that five-match block, Naitanui has contested 84 centre bounces. Of those, the Eagles have won 53 clearances, lost 22 and nine times there has been a secondary stoppage.
Naitanui's clearance differential of +31 blows his good mate Cox, favourite for No.1 All-Australian ruckman selection, out of the water.
In the same time, West Coast is -7 for clearances at centre bounces when Cox takes the ruck contest.
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Now I don't place too much importance on statitics, but those are some pretty impressive figures. I'm merely commenting on what I can see happening. Nic Nat doesn't need to even get a disposal to be effective in the contest. It's no coincidence that he starts in the ruck every week. He has improved so much this year, and overtaken Cox as the first choice ruck at the eagles. I'm not saying he is better, cos Cox is probably the best ruck i've seen play, and does so much around the ground. But Naitanui is better than most people realise.
With the amount of detail the statistics and now going into, it's becoming more and more clear who the 'underrated' players are. I know a lot of people are sceptical about statistics and don't necessarily place too much weight behind them, but the statistics that are becoming more and more focused on now are based around effectiveness/involvement in scoring chains etc. I certainly agree with what you have said in relation to Nic Nat and the new CD stats coming out, the vision itself backs it up.
I rate Nic Nat as in impact player very highly, the argument with him is around his consistency and continued involvement around the field like Dean Cox the master does.
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Anywho, I'm quite bias as to who I think are underrated players in the AFL. But as a Carlton supporter who tries to read every news outlet and website for opinions on all players, think that Mitch Robinson in particular is an underrated midfielder. This season he went from being reckless for the sake of it, to now being reckless to the benefit of his team. Some of the in and under work and body checking he does around the field as well as getting ball inside and out says that his body is maturing and he's coping with the extra work. His kicking on both sides has improved and he gets big distance out of both, once he learns to fine tune it a bit I think he'll be quite destructive in years to come as he also has good goal sense.
Other mentions without going into much detail:
- Scott Thompson (would take #1 spot in about any other team aswell)
- Tom Rockliff (huge wraps for someone not known outside DT & SC fans)
- Jack Redden (same goes)
- Ben Reid
- Matthew Suckling
- Shannon Hurn
- Harley Bennell (just because I think he had a rough year this season mentally and the last game showed he may justify #2 pick)
Jack Redden, his only 20, like people have said if he was in melbourne people wouldnt stop talking bout him
Quote from: meow meow on September 07, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
For the first time this season, Champion Data is measuring the effect each ruckman, combination of midfielders, and combination of foursomes at centre bounces are having.
The stats boffins have been blown away by Naitanui's effect since round 19.
In that five-match block, Naitanui has contested 84 centre bounces. Of those, the Eagles have won 53 clearances, lost 22 and nine times there has been a secondary stoppage.
Naitanui's clearance differential of +31 blows his good mate Cox, favourite for No.1 All-Australian ruckman selection, out of the water.
In the same time, West Coast is -7 for clearances at centre bounces when Cox takes the ruck contest.
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Now I don't place too much importance on statitics, but those are some pretty impressive figures. I'm merely commenting on what I can see happening. Nic Nat doesn't need to even get a disposal to be effective in the contest. It's no coincidence that he starts in the ruck every week. He has improved so much this year, and overtaken Cox as the first choice ruck at the eagles. I'm not saying he is better, cos Cox is probably the best ruck i've seen play, and does so much around the ground. But Naitanui is better than most people realise.
Going to be a freak, i agree
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Very True, Tuck dogged with injury is possibly a good buy next year
bet you he gets delisted
Heard a rumour that he may be about to re sign. No proof and I'm not sure if there is any substance to it either.
Dont quote me on this but i believe the is a 12-match clause in Shane Tucks contract that means if he doesn't play 12 games or more he gets delisted and with 10 games i think he will be delisted or trading
On to the bigger topic at hand one of the most underrated players in the AFL that no one has mentioned goes to a bloke from Hawthorn David Hale, Lets look at this year for example as soon as Jarryd Roughead went down with a knee injury during the year, Hale provided that 2nd key forward and kicks the odd bag but always vital to their structure as the Ruck/Forward type player also averaged 87 points in the last 11 games
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Quote from: Cam_Nash on September 05, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
Very True, Tuck dogged with injury is possibly a good buy next year
bet you he gets delisted
Heard a rumour that he may be about to re sign. No proof and I'm not sure if there is any substance to it either.
Dont quote me on this but i believe the is a 12-match clause in Shane Tucks contract that means if he doesn't play 12 games or more he gets delisted and with 10 games i think he will be delisted or trading
On to the bigger topic at hand one of the most underrated players in the AFL that no one has mentioned goes to a bloke from Hawthorn David Hale, Lets look at this year for example as soon as Jarryd Roughead went down with a knee injury during the year, Hale provided that 2nd key forward and kicks the odd bag but always vital to their structure as the Ruck/Forward type player also averaged 87 points in the last 11 games
yea thats true hale is definately underrated another player is leigh adams, this guys is a great player for the kangas, 3rd in the B&F las year i think and is a great player for them
Quote from: gpdemons on September 07, 2011, 01:04:33 AM
Nic Nat is close to the most overrated player in the competition, god I'm sick of hearing about his "freakish ability". Sure, he occasionally does the odd running goal or pack mark, but that's it, that's all he will do in the game and he gets so much credit for it. As soon as he starts being consistent and doesn't just do 2 or 3 good things per game I'll start calling him a good player. As bad as Jack Watts has been, I'd rather have him at the moment.
LOL.
You'd rather have a spud standing around in your forward line than an amazing athlete who taps beautifully to midfielders. If not himself, than break the line with his amazing pace. I'd rather have the freakish ability in growing pockets than never.
Jack Watts is a spud and you go for a spud team.
Quote from: Jugganauts on September 07, 2011, 09:45:42 PM
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Quote from: Cam_Nash on September 05, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
Very True, Tuck dogged with injury is possibly a good buy next year
bet you he gets delisted
Heard a rumour that he may be about to re sign. No proof and I'm not sure if there is any substance to it either.
Dont quote me on this but i believe the is a 12-match clause in Shane Tucks contract that means if he doesn't play 12 games or more he gets delisted and with 10 games i think he will be delisted or trading
On to the bigger topic at hand one of the most underrated players in the AFL that no one has mentioned goes to a bloke from Hawthorn David Hale, Lets look at this year for example as soon as Jarryd Roughead went down with a knee injury during the year, Hale provided that 2nd key forward and kicks the odd bag but always vital to their structure as the Ruck/Forward type player also averaged 87 points in the last 11 games
You are correct about that clause in his contract, but it's at the discretion of Richmond. Over the years the biggest worry with him has been his effective disposals, he has been the clanger king especially by foot. His effective stats in his 10 games this year have been his best and happen to be above the league average. I think he deserves another year at least.
John Ralph from Herald Sun also thinks he will gain another year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-real-story-behind-why-brendan-fevola-wont-be-back-at-carlton/story-fn6cisdj-1226131808708
these are just a few of my suggestions and yes i know some are chosen for AA honors but i still think they are not spoken about enough, and i dont believe nic nat is underrated as he is the only player besides goodes that we hear about in victoria from the interstate clubs so he does get noticed!!
1. Clinton Jones (best tagger in the game atm)
2. Scott Selwood (best tackler in the game)
3. Scott Thompson (only reason adelaide won some games)
4. nick dal santo (could be roughy for the brownlow)
5. Josh Gibson (brought his game to a new level this season)
6. Jack Redden and Rockliff (both are guns now and will be the next judd and cousins when they were at west coast)
7. Kieran Jack (injury season but is vital to sydney and will be there best player for years to come)
8. Brett Deledio (not as much talk with cotchin and martin but still richmonds best and is still an elite player)
9. Kade Simpson (goes unnoticed with the likes of judd,murphy and gibbs but is very important to carltons structure)
10. Jack Ziebell and James Kelly (they go in hard everytime and put there bodies on the line for there team both had great seasons)
Aaron Edwards
Quote from: METHOD MAN on September 08, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
Aaron Edwards
Yes good call. Edwards was showing plenty before breaking his leg, and this season he got back to some of the form he showed pre the broken leg.
Quote from: meow meow on September 07, 2011, 12:12:18 AM
Nic Nat was pick 1? MELBOURNE WISHES HE WAS
Yes you're right. Typo error on my behalf. For the past 4 years I have thought of Nic Nat as the bloke who should have gone#1, however Jack Watts has finally started to deliver, although I still think Nic Nat should have been picked #1. No doubt about it.
Names I agree with and some thoughts
Scott Thompson- gun in a terrible team
Redden-Looks like he will be a superstar but everyone has been talking about him towards the end of the year, Rockliff is maybe more underrated right now
Kade Simpson- I had this debate with a mate who says Simpson is a terrible footballer who can't kick. As a Carlton supporter I have watch him evolve as a player, from a guy who could not get a kick and then when he did butcher the ball, to a guy who has the ability to break the game open with his pace, carry and long penetrating left boot. He kicks goals, is hard at the contest, does all the 1%ers and is a leader on the field. I think his best stretch of games for the club was when he was named captain in 07. It was supposed to be by rotation policy but he played and lead the team so well they made him captain for the rest of that stretch. If Judd was not at Carlton he would be the captain of the club, no doubt about it.
Ben Reid- Absolute gun, people are starting to take notice, only player on the Collingwood list I would take over him is Pendlebury
James Kelly
Josh Kennedy- absolute machine in and under. Whoever does not think this guy is underrated needs to start watching him more closely and see what he does in games.
My addition
Heath Scotland- the man is finally starting to get some recognition, he has been Carltons best and most consistent player since he has been at the club (since 04 he has been at the club). Rarely plays a bad game, should have won a B&F, fantastic kick on both sides.
Heath Shaw is Collingwood's best player.
Quote from: meow meow on September 09, 2011, 05:51:32 PM
Heath Shaw is Collingwood's best player.
is this a joke or are you serious is definately a top 5 in my opinion but i thin pendles, swan and cloke are better.
Raph Clarke - isnt the greatest player ever but is still underated, he has done a great job in the side while James Gwilt has been out
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Heath Shaw is Collingwood's best player.
is this a joke or are you serious is definately a top 5 in my opinion but i thin pendles, swan and cloke are better.
Everyone thinks that. Hence why Shaw is under rated. He
never loses a one on one contest. Has all the attributes that a footballer should possess. He is fast, strong, smart (on field), a good long kick, is a play maker and takes the game on. The 3 you mentioned have a weakness or deficiency. Shaw does not.
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Heath Shaw is Collingwood's best player.
is this a joke or are you serious is definately a top 5 in my opinion but i thin pendles, swan and cloke are better.
Everyone thinks that. Hence why Shaw is under rated. He never loses a one on one contest. Has all the attributes that a footballer should possess. He is fast, strong, smart (on field), a good long kick, is a play maker and takes the game on. The 3 you mentioned have a weakness or deficiency. Shaw does not.
i agree is underated but i think rating him as 3rd or 4th best is fair.
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Heath Shaw is Collingwood's best player.
is this a joke or are you serious is definately a top 5 in my opinion but i thin pendles, swan and cloke are better.
Everyone thinks that. Hence why Shaw is under rated. He never loses a one on one contest. Has all the attributes that a footballer should possess. He is fast, strong, smart (on field), a good long kick, is a play maker and takes the game on. The 3 you mentioned have a weakness or deficiency. Shaw does not.
Name Pendlebury's deficiency other then he plays for Collingwood?
Tom Lonergan.
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Heath Shaw is Collingwood's best player.
is this a joke or are you serious is definately a top 5 in my opinion but i thin pendles, swan and cloke are better.
Everyone thinks that. Hence why Shaw is under rated. He never loses a one on one contest. Has all the attributes that a footballer should possess. He is fast, strong, smart (on field), a good long kick, is a play maker and takes the game on. The 3 you mentioned have a weakness or deficiency. Shaw does not.
Name Pendlebury's deficiency other then he plays for Collingwood?
Crap disposal by foot when kicking more than 30 metres. You hear the commentators say "normally a good user of the football" every week when he stuffs one.
I'm not a Collingwood hater.
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Heath Shaw is Collingwood's best player.
is this a joke or are you serious is definately a top 5 in my opinion but i thin pendles, swan and cloke are better.
Everyone thinks that. Hence why Shaw is under rated. He never loses a one on one contest. Has all the attributes that a footballer should possess. He is fast, strong, smart (on field), a good long kick, is a play maker and takes the game on. The 3 you mentioned have a weakness or deficiency. Shaw does not.
Name Pendlebury's deficiency other then he plays for Collingwood?
Crap disposal by foot when kicking more than 30 metres. You hear the commentators say "normally a good user of the football" every week when he stuffs one.
I'm not a Collingwood hater.
I am, but I still think Pendlebury is a better player then Shaw.
A very good read to all of the posts in this thread. Not much to disagree with i must say.
I think Nick Smth from the Swannies is underrated, generally does a good job on the best small forward the opposition has, his game on Milne last night was a prime example.
Quote from: Samm79 on September 11, 2011, 07:52:11 PM
I think Nick Smth from the Swannies is underrated, generally does a good job on the best small forward the opposition has, his game on Milne last night was a prime example.
He did very well last night.
Heath Hocking.
Tough inside player who doesn't get noticed. Also tags players out of the game while getting his own footy.
Quote from: Maca24 on September 11, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
Heath Hocking.
Tough inside player who doesn't get noticed. Also tags players out of the game while getting his own footy.
yep and dempsey also is another underrated Bomber provides good run for the team and great tackling and pressure
Quote from: Maca24 on September 11, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
Heath Hocking.
Tough inside player who doesn't get noticed. Also tags players out of the game while getting his own footy.
agree to an extent, think he is rated pretty good as a tagger external from essendon
brad ottens is under rated
always performs, especially on the big stage. GUN.
Dempsey never tackles... or provides pressure :P
Thats the one thing in his game that he lacks.
Provides great run though, so maybe he should be played on a wing.
That way he won't have2 be as accountable for an opponent.
Quote from: Maca24 on September 11, 2011, 09:21:50 PM
Dempsey never tackles... or provides pressure :P
Thats the one thing in his game that he lacks.
Provides great run though, so maybe he should be played on a wing.
That way he won't have2 be as accountable for an opponent.
he may not put the most pressure on but when he does he is good at it, but he would be best on a wing
I think that the swans proved that most of their list is underrated.
Quote from: Holzman on September 12, 2011, 04:44:40 PM
I think that the swans proved that most of their list is underrated.
yep there whole midfield is pretty much underrated
Quote from: Holzman on September 12, 2011, 04:44:40 PM
I think that the swans proved that most of their list is underrated.
Agree whole of team with the exception of Goodes and possibly O'Keeffe.