With this season nearly done and one eye looking towards next year, it's time to speculate about who are the likely types that will make up our R1 teams next year.
After the JOM, Swallow and Rough flops this year I'll likely ignore the mid pricers in 2018. I don't think there will be many gems anyway.
Def - Docherty, Yeo, Laird and perhaps Sharenberg to contradict what I just said.
Mids - probably 6-7 of...Danger, Titch, Dusty, Kelly, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Oliver.
Rucks - Ryder, NicNat.
Fwds - will look at...DPP types and Buddy.
At their current averages Danger, Dusty, Tmitch, Kelly and Doch would equal 3.24 Million :o
Thats a third of your cap right there, you will be hoping for a lot of cheap solid rookies being available rd1 to pull it off haha
Was just having at look at players who will receive some sort of discount next year, these are the few that stood out,
NicNat - Lock
Bennell - Injury prone
Christensen - Scoring potential?
Ceglar - JS issues
Coniglio - Scoring potential?
Mitch Robinson - Scoring potential?
Angus Brayshaw - Scoring potential?
Lycett - JS issues
Deledio - Injury prone
Omeara - Injury prone
Cyril - Scoring potential?
Not a lot of quality there, NicNat the only one that is really a lock, should be priced at about 400k
Ceglar and Lycett could be worth a look if cheap enough and have R/F DPP
Anyone got the balls to run the JOM gauntlet again haha, will probably be priced in the low 300's like this year
Quote from: Gigantor on August 20, 2017, 01:17:23 PM
At their current averages Danger, Dusty, Tmitch, Kelly and Doch would equal 3.24 Million :o
Thats a third of your cap right there, you will be hoping for a lot of cheap solid rookies being available rd1 to pull it off haha
I said 6-7 of those mids so one or two of those listed could be dropped, anyway just putting out FWIW, which is bugger all at this stage ;)
As to your JOM question, it's a solid no from me.
ZZZZZZZZZZORKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm not sure if somebody will step up and become a premium, but there is going to be a lot of inside midfield time to go around for the Eagles that has been taken up by Priddis and Mitchell this season.
Yeo will be a very good defender; Robbie Gray probably should be a FWD/MID.
Gray should be a lock forward
Might be a few others get DPP, but possibly lose, Heeney, Macrae, Dahl
Laird Lock Back
Doc Lock Back, but could get Mid Status or DPP
Yeo will be tasty in Def especially if he gets some of the Weagles Mid Time. Gaff was the one who picked up when both were out in R15
Nic Nat should be a lock Ruck potentially with an underpriced Gawn???
Danger Lock??? could be priced at 750-800k
Martin will depend on which team he is at, likely to not select to wait and see what happens
T Mitchell can he go again with such big possession numbers
Oliver Broke it massively this year, can he back it up given he is only a 25-30 game player
Kelly looks a gun, but not sure where he will be yet.
Zerrett can only improve in a building team
Cripps injury Prone
Hanners, Kennedy, Pendles, Treloar have all burnt us at some point this year
Rocky not sure where will be, but will be massively underpriced for what a fully fit Rocky can do
Beams looking back to his best, what happens if they lose rocky though
Zorko has gone to another level this year
I could go on, lots of prem choice next year.
def Docherty, Hurley, Hibberd, Crisp
mid Danger, Titch, Kelly, Zorko, Dusty
rucks ryder, nic nat
fwds sidebottom, Daniher
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 23, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
def Docherty, Hurley, Hibberd, Crisp
mid Danger, Titch, Kelly, Zorko, Dusty
rucks ryder, nic nat
fwds sidebottom, Daniher
How does Daniher make it in as a lock before the others? He's a KPP, and far from the best out there too.
Locks at this very early stage
DEF: Doch, Laird
MID: Danger, Titch, Fyfe
RUC: NicNat
FWD: Gray
Hibberd has been awesome for me and is a big part of the Dees setup so he is very close to a lock too
Fyfe should be under-priced a little, and Titch is just super consistent which is what I want
Quote from: Trindacut on August 23, 2017, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 23, 2017, 04:54:05 PM
def Docherty, Hurley, Hibberd, Crisp
mid Danger, Titch, Kelly, Zorko, Dusty
rucks ryder, nic nat
fwds sidebottom, Daniher
How does Daniher make it in as a lock before the others? He's a KPP, and far from the best out there too.
will only get better imo and fwds hard to charge who will be one or not he probs not 100% locked but gonna be strongly considered
ppl will question starting Danger but the fact that 130 is a below average game for him is a must for Captain options
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 26, 2017, 09:56:21 PM
ppl will question starting Danger but the fact that 130 is a below average game for him is a must for Captain options
Yeah Danger lock, Dusty, Tmitch and Doch are going to be the tough choices
Max Gawn 98% of teams.
Gary Ablett, not even in my mom's team.
Quote from: enzedder on August 20, 2017, 11:26:11 AM
With this season nearly done and one eye looking towards next year, it's time to speculate about who are the likely types that will make up our R1 teams next year.
After the JOM, Swallow and Rough flops this year I'll likely ignore the mid pricers in 2018. I don't think there will be many gems anyway.
Def - Docherty, Yeo, Laird and perhaps Sharenberg to contradict what I just said.
Mids - probably 6-7 of...Danger, Titch, Dusty, Kelly, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Oliver.
Rucks - Ryder, NicNat.
Fwds - will look at...DPP types and Buddy.
Flowered off with Beams nearly costing a premiership. Avoiding premos in rubbish teams next year. Oliver just about essential. Will only consider Yeo as a defender.
Def: Docherty, Laird, Blakely
Mid: Titch, M. Crouch, Fyfe, Cripps
Ruck: Naitanui
Fwd: Sidebottom (if he gets DPP), Christensen
If Dusty regains his forward status (which he should, but more than likely won't for obvious reasons) then consider him the biggest lock of all time.
Early days with positional changes just an assumption.
D: Docherty, Laird, Yeo, Blakely
M: Danger, Mitchell, Merrett, Fyfe
R: Gawn, Naitanui
F: Gray, Billings, Deledio
Can anyone remember the discounts players get for the number of games played?
Quote from: SilverLion on August 27, 2017, 11:12:31 PM
Def: Docherty, Laird, Blakely
Mid: Titch, M. Crouch, Fyfe, Cripps
Ruck: Naitanui
Fwd: Sidebottom (if he gets DPP), Christensen
If Dusty regains his forward status (which he should, but more than likely won't for obvious reasons) then consider him the biggest lock of all time.
Really both Dusty and Danger should but there's no hope of that happening.
Quote from: Huttabito on August 29, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
Can anyone remember the discounts players get for the number of games played?
Curious to know this too. What happens with players that played 2 and didn't have a price change yet? (I.e Bennell, Jack Graham etc)
thoughts on Fyfe's chances on getting m/f ?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 29, 2017, 09:25:27 PM
thoughts on Fyfe's chances on getting m/f ?
None based on he is a lock as a mid... given that he will be at a bargain price for the likely returns you will get.
They won't be that kind.
Who will gain fwd status next year apart from Robbie Gray?
Quote from: quinny88 on August 29, 2017, 11:54:13 PM
Who will gain fwd status next year apart from Robbie Gray?
Sidey, Boak, Jack
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 30, 2017, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on August 29, 2017, 11:54:13 PM
Who will gain fwd status next year apart from Robbie Gray?
Sidey, Boak, Jack
Sidey would be a lock if that was the case. Don't think I'd bother with the other 2
Blakely mid/def
Miles 307k new club LOCK
+1
Had thoughts about GWS defenders as Shaw dropped off this year and Williams, Haynes and Wilson had games where they looked like their SC status was rising but consistency isn't there so have scrapped that idea now.
Quote from: enzedder on September 20, 2017, 09:57:43 AM
Had thoughts about GWS defenders as Shaw dropped off this year and Williams, Haynes and Wilson had games where they looked like their SC status was rising but consistency isn't there so have scrapped that idea now.
Yeah I don't see any value in them.
Docherty, Laird and Hibberd locks for me and will get one of Blakely or Brandon Ellis
Quote from: quinny88 on August 30, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on August 30, 2017, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on August 29, 2017, 11:54:13 PM
Who will gain fwd status next year apart from Robbie Gray?
Sidey, Boak, Jack
Sidey would be a lock if that was the case. Don't think I'd bother with the other 2
Fingers crossed Sidey does
Depending on who gets forward status, Smith will be a lock for me assuming forwards are the same as this year.
Quote from: Money Shot on October 02, 2017, 12:14:47 PM
Depending on who gets forward status, Smith will be a lock for me assuming forwards are the same as this year.
is fairly injury prone though
Laird, Doc, Hibberd/Howe
Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps
NN Gawn
Gray, Sidey, Dev, Greene
Back: Doc, Laird
Mid: Danger, Beams, ?? on Oliver, Fyfe, Titch, Bont
Ruck: NicNat +1 of Gawn, SMartin or Ryder
Fwd; Gray, ret will be DPPs Bont likely to M/F
No over 30's, No JOM (at this stage ::) )
Quote from: crowls on October 04, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
Back: Doc, Laird
Mid: Danger, Beams, ?? on Oliver, Fyfe, Titch, Bont
Ruck: NicNat +1 of Gawn, SMartin or Ryder
Fwd; Gray, ret will be DPPs Bont likely to M/F
No over 30's, No JOM (at this stage ::) )
I highly doubt Bont will gain Mid/Fwd status, here is his 2017 season heatmap;
(http://i.imgur.com/FwPdbV7.jpg) (https://imgur.com/FwPdbV7)
Quote from: DCAK on October 05, 2017, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: crowls on October 04, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
Back: Doc, Laird
Mid: Danger, Beams, ?? on Oliver, Fyfe, Titch, Bont
Ruck: NicNat +1 of Gawn, SMartin or Ryder
Fwd; Gray, ret will be DPPs Bont likely to M/F
No over 30's, No JOM (at this stage ::) )
I highly doubt Bont will gain Mid/Fwd status, here is his 2017 season heatmap;
(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g361/davey_75/AFL%202017%20Heatmaps/BONTEMPELLI_zpsrudkhp6m.jpg) (http://s1098.photobucket.com/user/davey_75/media/AFL%202017%20Heatmaps/BONTEMPELLI_zpsrudkhp6m.jpg.html)
Is that 100% time spent forward? ;)
get a Jack Billings up ya
Photobucket is confounding me! Here is Bont's heatmap;
(http://i.imgur.com/FwPdbV7.jpg) (https://imgur.com/FwPdbV7)
Heatmaps don't really mean much
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
It means that statistically Bont spent most of his playing time in the midfield, which is why he is listed as a midfielder. IMO there is little chance of him gaining DPP status. Yes he did score 20 goals for the year, but that doesn't make him a forward, it makes him a goal scoring midfielder. I could be wrong though! ; )
Quote from: DCAK on October 07, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
It means that statistically Bont spent most of his playing time in the midfield, which is why he is listed as a midfielder. IMO there is little chance of him gaining DPP status. Yes he did score 20 goals for the year, but that doesn't make him a forward, it makes him a goal scoring midfielder. I could be wrong though! ; )
Not quite.
Heatmaps show where are player gains possessions. Positions are determined from where a player starts in relation to the ball, not where they win the footy.
For example, a player could be a high half fwd who starts slightly fwd of each stoppage. He pushes up the ground and receives all of his ball in the middle of the ground. He'd could have a similar heatmap to the Bont above, but be a FWD.
I'm not saying Bont won't be a mid only but, since he starts inside a lot, merely pointing out that heatmaps are misleading
Sidey mid - fwd? Interesting call
Quote from: Peter on October 07, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
Sidey mid - fwd? Interesting call
I'll just leave this here;
(http://i.imgur.com/nuxYeLP.png) (https://imgur.com/nuxYeLP)
obv doesn't guarantee he gets it next year but in af he got it during the year which is why many think he is a chance
So have started putting my thoughts together for 2018 team
Def: Docherty, Adams (D/M) only, Laird, trade in Lloyd, Hibberd, Yeo look at Wetherden, Nat Wilson, Burton, Rance, Houli. Simpson (too old)
Mids: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Mitchell/Neale trade in Dusty, Merrett, Oliver, Kelly
Rucks, NicNat, ? Gawn look at R/F coverage Ryder or Daniher
Fwds: Heeney, Gray, Billings, consider Greene, McGovern (d/f) C Curnow, Steele
StructureEnd of year -
Def, 105, 95,95,95,90,90 95avg 570
Mid, 120,115,115,110,110,110,105,105 111avg Tot 890 +C 120 = 1010
Ruc, 105,95 Avg 100 Tot 200
Fwd, 105, 100, 95,95,90 90 96 avg 575
Total; 2455
Rules of thumb -
- No over 30's,
- Favor players with fitness history over injury history,
- Ruck is one Key to successful season. 500pt difference minimum between good and poor ruck picks over season as well as trades saved. only 5-6 rucks a season avg 21/22 games over last 4 years. Must have coverage.
- Forwards and Def, DPP over single role players.
- Whatever happens no JOM.
Start of Year 5440 per point. 1838 points plus C. = 1960
Patrick Dangerfield 115-130. 50% drop to high 500s at some stage thru year.
Max Gawn 90-115 455-620k range High Variability, injury risk
Gary Ablett 110-130 hasnt played >15games in 4 years. possible pick up if drops below 550k mid season or start and trade out when maximised >650k
Scott Pendlebury - Consistent Max Games 105-120 range, 30 in 2018. Likely to be cheapest at start of year if remains uninjured.
Dan Hannebery 26yr 95-112 range, will drop to 500k at some point. Not good option
Lachie Neale 24yrs 105-115 with upside, low of 520k played two low scoring games in last three rounds when played injured. probably underpriced.
JP Kennedy 30yrs in June. 103-115 Very inconsistent in 2017, turning 30, not good option
Luke Parker 25yrs 99-110 at bottom end of range. Can pick up 480k at some stage
Sam Docherty 24yrs 110-115 clearly best defender. MUST have
Dusty Martin 26yrs 105-120 still on the up. 4 scores under 100 in early rounds dropped his price. Do not start him but look to pick him up during a lull. <550k is good buy
Tom Mitchell 24yrs 105-119 - on the up, consistent.
Josh Kelly 23yrs 1yr break out, with more time in the middle. 110-120, dropped price early when had 3 games in 90s. Not proven but should be a lower risk option with upside.
Zach Merrett 22yrs 109-120, Younger and more proven than Kelly. 2 drop offs in 2017, early and late season. High Ceiling.
Clayton Oliver 20yrs 111- one year breakout, likely to continue 105-120 possibility. 4 games in 90s 1 in 80s rest over 100.
Nathan Fyfe 27yrs, 105-125 High Ceiling, if uninjured should do 120 plus with bottom of 110. Lull from rnd 6-15, finished season very strongly. Probably need to start if Fit.
Dayne Beams 28yrs bad patch rnd 13-17, 100-110 finished season strong. Possible pick up mid season after lull at low 500s. Rockliff departure should help. Injury prone
Bontempelli 22yrs, 100-108 high variability, 9 games in 90’s or lower. Possible trade in option at low cost if he has a slump buy <510. Definite starter if M/F
Taylor Adams 24yrs 100-110. Very consistent 2017. Did have a slump mid season 2017. Depends on Injuries. Good D/M option not a Mid only option unless drops below 500k
Michael Hibberd 28yrs 10/18 games in 2017 over 100. Avg 99. 92-100 range. Good Def option but will be paying premium for him. Will be able to get him 470-500k during year.
Rory Laird 24yrs 93-100 will pay premium at start of year but can pick him up for 470k during year if timing is right.
Isaac Heeney 21 yrs 95-105 F/M DPP option. Avg98 in 2017, 8/18 games 100+
Robbie Gray 29yrs 91 avg 2017, after3 yrs around 110. Good F/M option (nb Rocky and Motlop now at Port. Could release Gray to onball or limit him even more: Probably wait and see how he is played before committing)
Jack Billings 10 games +100 8 <80. Should improve consistency next year, more mid minutes as well. 93avg. Range 90-105 given his upside in reduce lower end scores.. Good F/M options
Jack Steele 22yrs old 2017 first season of consistent game time, played forward plenty of minutes. If tank improves and gets more mid time, floor will lift seeing 5-10 point rise in average. For 100pt average. Expect F/M DPP
Charlie Curnow 20yrs old, big KPP with ability to play mid and on ball. Avg 90 for last 8 games of 2017. If gets more time on ball. Will increase average 10-15 points, at worst could be F6/7 by years end and save trade. Likely price 405k Year end 2000pts
Good to see you're keen crowls.
No Shaw... you sure about that. ;) I'm not touching that either.
Docherty and Laird pick themselves. Yeo and Hibberd others I like for defence. Will Adams get defence? I think not but reckon Yeo will.
Those mids look great. Beams and M Crouch worthy of a start too IMO.
NicNat will be in everyone's team with Gawn or Ryder probably the next most popular.
Forwards interest me as it is open to lots of different discussion and possibilities. Billings should get fwd status and should keep improving so reckon he is just about a lock. Heeney will be a solid option too. Thought he played/ started predominantly midfield this year but would like it if he retained dpp status. Gray I'm not as keen on now Rocky is headed to Port. Both Wingard and Gray will see less mid time with Rocky in the team. Greene will be awesome if he plays 22. I don't want to pick him but may have to haha.
Good write up mate
Agree with enzedder about Gray plus his new forward role means he has a massive standard deviation. Potential to pick him up for low 400's later in the year.
Either way I think fwds will be a bit of a minefield again like this year, unless they are very generous with DPP.
What about Jack Redden? No Mitch and Priddis means there is plenty of points up for grabs in the West Coast midfeild. Will be priced at 430k, has shown he is capable of averaging 100+. Feel like from a risk/reward point of view the reward is far greater than the risk.
Also he averaged 97 in the last 7 rounds
Quote from: Ricochet on October 07, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: DCAK on October 07, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
It means that statistically Bont spent most of his playing time in the midfield, which is why he is listed as a midfielder. IMO there is little chance of him gaining DPP status. Yes he did score 20 goals for the year, but that doesn't make him a forward, it makes him a goal scoring midfielder. I could be wrong though! ; )
Not quite.
Heatmaps show where are player gains possessions. Positions are determined from where a player starts in relation to the ball, not where they win the footy.
For example, a player could be a high half fwd who starts slightly fwd of each stoppage. He pushes up the ground and receives all of his ball in the middle of the ground. He'd could have a similar heatmap to the Bont above, but be a FWD.
I'm not saying Bont won't be a mid only but, since he starts inside a lot, merely pointing out that heatmaps are misleading
I'll just leave this here
One thing I am doing in 2018 is focussing on Total Points over average. So on a risk adjusted basis select the most likely total points contributor for dollar value. A good example was Jarrod Roughead last year. 18th in Fwd averages and 10th in Total points. How many people started him and traded him out early?
Rowsus (supercoachtalk) talks about PIT. For consideration next year would be Heeney. As I look at him and his style of play, I believe he is likely to get at least one concussion during the season. This will see him miss at least one game and maybe more. Therefore when comparing him to another forward option with better games played history, you need to deflate Heeney's avg and PIT.
Robbie Gray - good point on the impact of Rockliff on Gray. Will reserve my opinion until I see what players they have next season. If Gray is going to play mainly as forward then there is no upside and he is likely low 90s fwd at best. If he is rotating through the mids then he is likely 100+ fwd. Port would have benefited from having a Stringer and releasing Gray to an on ball role.
Redden 80avg, 27years old. Has relatively low TOG (did increase towards end of year), Last 4 years 14/17/14/17 games so low PIT figure. Will cost 435k approx. At best avg 100 with Lions. Better off saving money and getting cash generation with a rookie, or paying more for a keeper.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 07, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: DCAK on October 07, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
It means that statistically Bont spent most of his playing time in the midfield, which is why he is listed as a midfielder. IMO there is little chance of him gaining DPP status. Yes he did score 20 goals for the year, but that doesn't make him a forward, it makes him a goal scoring midfielder. I could be wrong though! ; )
Not quite.
Heatmaps show where are player gains possessions. Positions are determined from where a player starts in relation to the ball, not where they win the footy.
For example, a player could be a high half fwd who starts slightly fwd of each stoppage. He pushes up the ground and receives all of his ball in the middle of the ground. He'd could have a similar heatmap to the Bont above, but be a FWD.
I'm not saying Bont won't be a mid only but, since he starts inside a lot, merely pointing out that heatmaps are misleading
Does anyone know the mix that CD uses when determining positions and DPP. ie >30% time starting in a position makes you eligible for that sector. Based on starting position I see Bont as a viable M/F. Adams on the other hand is unlikely to M/D next year but we will probably get Yeo.
Quote from: Gigantor on October 12, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Agree with enzedder about Gray plus his new forward role means he has a massive standard deviation. Potential to pick him up for low 400's later in the year.
Either way I think fwds will be a bit of a minefield again like this year, unless they are very generous with DPP.
If Motlop ends up at Port, will that see Gray freed up to play increased on ball minutes. If so he comes back into consideration as great Fwd option next year.
Quote from: crowls on October 13, 2017, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 07, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: DCAK on October 07, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
It means that statistically Bont spent most of his playing time in the midfield, which is why he is listed as a midfielder. IMO there is little chance of him gaining DPP status. Yes he did score 20 goals for the year, but that doesn't make him a forward, it makes him a goal scoring midfielder. I could be wrong though! ; )
Not quite.
Heatmaps show where are player gains possessions. Positions are determined from where a player starts in relation to the ball, not where they win the footy.
For example, a player could be a high half fwd who starts slightly fwd of each stoppage. He pushes up the ground and receives all of his ball in the middle of the ground. He'd could have a similar heatmap to the Bont above, but be a FWD.
I'm not saying Bont won't be a mid only but, since he starts inside a lot, merely pointing out that heatmaps are misleading
Does anyone know the mix that CD uses when determining positions and DPP. ie >30% time starting in a position makes you eligible for that sector. Based on starting position I see Bont as a viable M/F. Adams on the other hand is unlikely to M/D next year but we will probably get Yeo.
Yep it's 35% crowls
Thanks Ricochet
I really doubt Adams will be DPP in 2018, most likely just MID.
(https://i.imgur.com/4A3f7vx.png)
Quote from: Ricochet on October 13, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
Okay, put your money where your mouth is, I bet you $20 Adams is MID only in SC 2018
Quote from: DCAK on October 14, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 13, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
Okay, put your money where your mouth is, I bet you $20 Adams is MID only in SC 2018
I'm not saying he won't be.
But using heatmaps as proof is pretty much useless
For one they only split into defence and fwd, when there are 3 positions to fill... fwd, mid and defence
Second, like i mentioned before, they only show where a player gets his possessions which isnt how CD determine player's positions
Fair point. So we shall see for both Sidey and Adams, for whom heat maps have been shown
Anyone become relevant since being traded?
Quote from: quinny88 on October 19, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Anyone become relevant since being traded?
Would have to look at Matt Kennedy, Devon Smith, Brendon Ah Chee, Harrison Wigg, Sam Murray
Can already see they will say Devon Smith is playing mid all pre season then will sit in a forward pocket and average 65 haha
Quote from: quinny88 on October 19, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Anyone become relevant since being traded?
GAJ will probably kick 100, but other than that without looking over every trade in detail I wouldn't think so as most of the players will be mid pricers, and I'm done with them!
Wigg and possibly Murray might be good cash cows for Rd1
Quote from: quinny88 on October 19, 2017, 09:36:00 PM
Can already see they will say Devon Smith is playing mid all pre season then will sit in a forward pocket and average 65 haha
You're spot on! That's how I ended up w/ Caddy in my team this year... :'(
There will always be players who through trades will get talked up and have a lot jump on the bandwagon, first thoughts and it will likely be Smith, Gibbs, Stringer, Rocky & Matera . Here are my initial thoughts on each player traded.
Trades
Lever to Melbourne â€" Likely play a similar role to what he played last year, however with Hibberd I wouldn’t feel confident In picking him given he hasn’t consistently shown that he has a high ceiling. Should be priced at 80 average, not premium nor cash to be made.
Smith to Essendon â€" Smith has never been a player that scores really well his best year being in 2014 and that was with an increase in possessions and higher kicks to handballs ratio. Even if he was a MF DPP I would be wary and likely avoiding. Should be priced at 80 average.
Impey to Hawthorn - Just no, not enough ball nor enough skill. Will provide speed and at best average 75
Crozier to Western Bulldogs â€" I think we can all agree he is not made for Fantasy
Saad to Essendon â€" Will likely improve, but not enough to push past an 85 average. Priced at 73 will likely mean a no.
Watts to Port â€" Has never really been a premium scorer and while moving to a new teammight make him a bit more relevant, its not going to be enough for me to take a risk on him. Id be wanting to see a good preseason, consistent games, removal of the odd 50 games and consistent performances before even considering.
Ah Chee to West Coast â€" Personally I don’t think he will play and wouldn’t be worth it as a MP option.
Balic to Melbourne â€" Unlikely to play and not really worth it.
Wigg to Gold Coast â€" Im expecting him to break into the GC side and be a solid cash cow 60-70 average, knows how to find the ball, but is lacking the body to be a top cash cow option.
Gibbs to Crows â€" Going to be priced at 102 which is probably slightly overpriced, being at a new team it is unknown whether he will be played across HB, Wing or Mid. Wait & See.
Young to Gold Coast â€" Showed in 2016 that he has the ability to score premium levels with 9/21 over 90. Predominetly played HFF for Port. Watch what his role is as he has proven he can score and will be priced at 57ish, could be a good option over one of the more expensive rookies.
Austin to Saints â€" Too risky IMO
Murray to Collingwood â€" Watch preseason as a rookie option.
Gibson to Adelaide â€" Will be fringe, might slot in, but not worth it with the rest of adelaide’s mids all point scorers.
Wilson to Fremantle â€" Has shown he can score, but need to see more consistency.
Lobbe to Carlton â€" Will be a backup only.
Stringer to Essendon â€" No one really knows what he will do, watch & see.
Kennedy to Carlton â€" Will be mid-priced around 65 ish, but there will be points to be gained at Carlton with Gibbs leaving.
Hodge to Brisbane â€" Nope, will be rested at times
Lang to Carlton - Will be mid-priced around 70 ish, but there will be points to be gained at Carlton with Gibbs leaving. Same spot at Kennedy.
Ablett to Geelong â€" Will be priced at 114-115. Likely play more forward. If he has DPP lock in, but unlikely. Ill be holding off to see how he goes. Prefer to start M Crouch, Z Merrett etc instead.
Cameron to Brisbane â€" Worst team, not that good. Do not pick
Matera to Fremantle â€" Matera has always had talent, but is he consistent enough to pick to breakout.
Weller to Gold Coast â€" Give him a few more years to develop.
Schache to Western Bulldogs â€" Likely to replace stringer, but need to see him continue to develop for a few years before picking.
Free Agency
Trengove to Western Bulldogs â€" Probably underpriced, but doesn’t have the potential to be a premium. No.
Rockliff to Port â€" We all know what he can produce and if they price him at 96 then he should be a no brainer pick. Port do not have any big point scoring midfielders and with the fresh start if fit he is the one worth the risk.
Motlop to Port â€" Underpriced for what he can produce, but he will be priced at a point where he will need to become a premium to make it worthwhile. I don’t believe he can push his career best average up more than 15 points.
Great write up LS. Gaz will be interesting for people. Like you I see him as being used predominately forward and may chop out with Dangerfield. Unlikely to get FWD status next year and for me will be a wait and see to validate how much mid time and point scoring he does.
Kelly, Merrett, MCrouch, Mitchell all before GAZ at less money and risk.
Rocky/Motlop at Port knocks RGray on the head as a mid or fwd option for me. Good chance to see Rocky get back to 115+ average so he is available at unders at the start of the year. Still comes with injury risk and how likely is he to be top 10 points scored for mids next year. Any chance he get M/F status?
Not sure on Rocky, he's a pretty good forward, feel like he could be part of the rotation with Gray and Wingard. Might stop him from reaching that 110+ mark that we all want, he will be priced around 520k which is an awkward amount.
Only Wigg and Murray would be of interest out of that lot maybe Ah Chee if cheap , see how Rockliff goes at Port where he plays but will not be starting him
Of the players that moved club only Rocky and Wilson interest me.
Rory Lobb, Wilson, Zac Williams, Callum Mills, Billings, Blakely, and a mid priced midfielder i won't mention are all of interest to me as well.
Wigg definitely and MKennedy could be the 2016 Clayton Oliver in terms of money making
One for discussion... Ryan Griffen. Played 3 games. 56 average.
Unlikely I'd touch him. His best is past him and 32 years next July but if he $250k... I probably still won't have him.
Any takers?
GWS have lost a few players so you'd think he slots back into their best 22 once he's fit
Will watch him over the preseason I guess
Quote from: enzedder on October 22, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
One for discussion... Ryan Griffen. Played 3 games. 56 average.
Unlikely I'd touch him. His best is past him and 32 years next July but if he $250k... I probably still won't have him.
Any takers?
Would not start him even at that price but if he is scoring ok and does not fall over could be grabbed on the bubble
Yeah, that's probably the best play with him I'd say.
Quote from: enzedder on October 22, 2017, 07:36:58 PM
Yeah, that's probably the best play with him I'd say.
No over 30s in Bombers Rule is the Rule. Not even considering.
Hey, re: West Coast, who do you see picking up the positions/time left in the midfield by the departure of Mitchell/Priddis?
Saw an article on the Herald Sun, someone from Champion Data ruling out Danger Dusty as MID/FWDs next year, didn't spend enough time during the H&A season
Quote from: Spite on October 13, 2017, 11:03:50 AM
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Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
Heatmaps don't really mean much
It means that statistically Bont spent most of his playing time in the midfield, which is why he is listed as a midfielder. IMO there is little chance of him gaining DPP status. Yes he did score 20 goals for the year, but that doesn't make him a forward, it makes him a goal scoring midfielder. I could be wrong though! ; )
Not quite.
Heatmaps show where are player gains possessions. Positions are determined from where a player starts in relation to the ball, not where they win the footy.
For example, a player could be a high half fwd who starts slightly fwd of each stoppage. He pushes up the ground and receives all of his ball in the middle of the ground. He'd could have a similar heatmap to the Bont above, but be a FWD.
I'm not saying Bont won't be a mid only but, since he starts inside a lot, merely pointing out that heatmaps are misleading
I'll just leave this here
Quote from: JROO8 on October 23, 2017, 12:30:15 PM
Saw an article on the Herald Sun, someone from Champion Data ruling out Danger Dusty as MID/FWDs next year, didn't spend enough time during the H&A season
Yeah was never gonna happen. Even if they spent the required time forward they probably still would have said no
Quote from: quinny88 on October 23, 2017, 11:37:51 PM
Quote from: JROO8 on October 23, 2017, 12:30:15 PM
Saw an article on the Herald Sun, someone from Champion Data ruling out Danger Dusty as MID/FWDs next year, didn't spend enough time during the H&A season
Yeah was never gonna happen. Even if they spent the required time forward they probably still would have said no
Yeah had they met the requirement, CD would have likely just upped the limit requirement on time started forward. The data that was provided was time spent forward in total, but it is worked out off amount of times starting forward. Its why heatmaps can't be trusted.
Quote from: LordSneeze on October 20, 2017, 12:00:27 PM
Rockliff to Port â€" We all know what he can produce and if they price him at 96 then he should be a no brainer pick. Port do not have any big point scoring midfielders and with the fresh start if fit he is the one worth the risk.
I don't think Rocky will ever be a no-brainer for me. He requires a lot of thought :P
2011 was his last properly good season (20 games, avg 113), the only other seasons he's gone over 110 are 2014 and 2016, where he played 18 and 17 respectively. He did get 109 from 21 in 2013. In short, he's too inconsistent, misses games, and isn't lifting the roof.
Weller if he is named as Def/Mid will be the 2018 Adams
Thinking I'm going pretty straight forward next year. And bloody hell, I am holding my trades, fml
Defence - Doc (obvious), Williams (94 avg, very consistent and has a big ceiling, think he could go 100), Yeo (more mid time) and will consider Laird/Howe/Hibberd + rookies
Midfield - Danger (obvious), Pendles (consistent and cheap), Fyfe (cheap for what he can produce), Beams (underpriced), Cripps (underpriced due to injury), Kennedy (at Bloos), Wigg (at GC) and will consider Titch/MCrouch/Neale/Jelwood/Parker/Ward + rookies
Rucks - Gawn + NN (obvious) will also consider Grundy
Forwards - Gray (silly not to), Greene/Billings (not sure yet but one of the two), Dev Smith (have to pick him), Lobb (#1 ruck at GWS, no brainer), will also consider JJK/Rioli/Bennell + rookies
So
DEF: Doc, Williams, Yeo + Rookies
MID: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Kennedy, Wigg + Rookies
RUC: Gawn, NN
FWDS: Gray, Greene/Billings, Smith, Lobb + Rookies
Quote from: _wato on October 25, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
Thinking I'm going pretty straight forward next year. And bloody hell, I am holding my trades, fml
Defence - Doc (obvious), Williams (94 avg, very consistent and has a big ceiling, think he could go 100), Yeo (more mid time) and will consider Laird/Howe/Hibberd + rookies
Midfield - Danger (obvious), Pendles (consistent and cheap), Fyfe (cheap for what he can produce), Beams (underpriced), Cripps (underpriced due to injury), Kennedy (at Bloos), Wigg (at GC) and will consider Titch/MCrouch/Neale/Jelwood/Parker/Ward + rookies
Rucks - Gawn + NN (obvious) will also consider Grundy
Forwards - Gray (silly not to), Greene/Billings (not sure yet but one of the two), Dev Smith (have to pick him), Lobb (#1 ruck at GWS, no brainer), will also consider JJK/Rioli/Bennell + rookies
So
DEF: Doc, Williams, Yeo + Rookies
MID: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Kennedy, Wigg + Rookies
RUC: Gawn, NN
FWDS: Gray, Greene/Billings, Smith, Lobb + Rookies
my thoughts. - like the basis of your team Wato.
Lobb - avg 72 in 2017. I am not sure what to expect as 1st Ruck for GWS. If you have him in your forwards it seems you expect 90-95 as worst case scenario. What scores has Lobb put up when playing as sole ruck in past?
Beams - with 101 avg last year he will cost 550k. has not played more than 19 games in past 5 years. 11/19 over 100 and 8/11 over 120 so proven scorer and decent VC option. Strikes me as someone to start with and dump at their peak or bring in at byes if they have had a quiet start to the season. Will be at least 10 other guys who score more points over the year.
Cripps avg98 with 25pt last game in that so call it 103. Probably a 110 player with upside so a decent choice at a good price.
Gray will be a watch and see for me. Not sure how much on ball time he will get and likely to be a low 90s scorer if majority of time in fwd line..
Lobb's two games in finals with Mummy out had 30 and 35 hitouts or something very similar and scored 108 and 129. Had really good HTA stats. Should easily go 95-100. When Beams is fit (he had actual injury games) he averaged around 110. He is a 115 scorer when properly fit. Cripps is an absolute no brainer with Gibbs gone, can easily hold his own. Went 107 avg last year so 110 should be about right.
Surely you'd take a fit Gray in the forward line scoring 40's and 150's... giving you a 95-100 avg.
Quote from: _wato on October 25, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
Thinking I'm going pretty straight forward next year. And bloody hell, I am holding my trades, fml
Defence - Doc (obvious), Williams (94 avg, very consistent and has a big ceiling, think he could go 100), Yeo (more mid time) and will consider Laird/Howe/Hibberd + rookies
Midfield - Danger (obvious), Pendles (consistent and cheap), Fyfe (cheap for what he can produce), Beams (underpriced), Cripps (underpriced due to injury), Kennedy (at Bloos), Wigg (at GC) and will consider Titch/MCrouch/Neale/Jelwood/Parker/Ward + rookies
Rucks - Gawn + NN (obvious) will also consider Grundy
Forwards - Gray (silly not to), Greene/Billings (not sure yet but one of the two), Dev Smith (have to pick him), Lobb (#1 ruck at GWS, no brainer), will also consider JJK/Rioli/Bennell + rookies
So
DEF: Doc, Williams, Yeo + Rookies
MID: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Kennedy, Wigg + Rookies
RUC: Gawn, NN
FWDS: Gray, Greene/Billings, Smith, Lobb + Rookies
Probably a few too many risky players in there. While saving cash is important, you also need to get the best consistancy from your starting players. I make the mistake year after year of taking th ebig risks for big rewards and it always shoots me in the foot.
DEF: Doc, Williams, Yeo + Rookies
MID: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Kennedy, Wigg + Rookies
RUC: Gawn, NN
FWDS: Gray, Greene/Billings, Smith, Lobb + Rookies
DEF: Doch, Adams (maybe?)
MID: Danger, Martin, Fyfe
RUCK: Kruezer, Nic Nat
FWD: Ryder, Greene
Should fit 3-4 more guns in there but will pick up some bargains hopefully. Nic Nat
Quote from: Trindacut on October 25, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
DEF: Doc, Williams, Yeo + Rookies
MID: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Kennedy, Wigg + Rookies
RUC: Gawn, NN
FWDS: Gray, Greene/Billings, Smith, Lobb + Rookies
DEF: Doch, Adams (maybe?)
MID: Danger, Martin, Fyfe
RUCK: Kruezer, Nic Nat
FWD: Ryder, Greene
Should fit 3-4 more guns in there but will pick up some bargains hopefully. Nic Nat
Adams mid only, Ryder ruck only, and no chance I'd pay top dollar for Kreuzer with his history tbh
Quote from: Trindacut on October 25, 2017, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: _wato on October 25, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
Thinking I'm going pretty straight forward next year. And bloody hell, I am holding my trades, fml
Defence - Doc (obvious), Williams (94 avg, very consistent and has a big ceiling, think he could go 100), Yeo (more mid time) and will consider Laird/Howe/Hibberd + rookies
Midfield - Danger (obvious), Pendles (consistent and cheap), Fyfe (cheap for what he can produce), Beams (underpriced), Cripps (underpriced due to injury), Kennedy (at Bloos), Wigg (at GC) and will consider Titch/MCrouch/Neale/Jelwood/Parker/Ward + rookies
Rucks - Gawn + NN (obvious) will also consider Grundy
Forwards - Gray (silly not to), Greene/Billings (not sure yet but one of the two), Dev Smith (have to pick him), Lobb (#1 ruck at GWS, no brainer), will also consider JJK/Rioli/Bennell + rookies
So
DEF: Doc, Williams, Yeo + Rookies
MID: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Beams, Cripps, Kennedy, Wigg + Rookies
RUC: Gawn, NN
FWDS: Gray, Greene/Billings, Smith, Lobb + Rookies
Probably a few too many risky players in there. While saving cash is important, you also need to get the best consistancy from your starting players. I make the mistake year after year of taking th ebig risks for big rewards and it always shoots me in the foot.
The only risk I see in this team is Beams. Everyone else is a good pick with upside imo. May go Beams to Titchell to get a guaranteed 110 each week and limited injury risk.
Beams will be in my team if right R1.
Grey won’t be. Those 40s will kill. Can’t see him averaging well enough.
Quote from: enzedder on October 26, 2017, 04:59:51 AM
Beams will be in my team if right R1.
Grey won’t be. Those 40s will kill. Can’t see him averaging well enough.
With you on Gray, think we will have lower variability options available in the forwards. M Barlow will be a better option than Gray. Greene, Lobb, Heeney, all going to be more reliable scorers.
Quote from: enzedder on October 26, 2017, 04:59:51 AM
Beams will be in my team if right R1.
Grey won’t be. Those 40s will kill. Can’t see him averaging well enough.
IMO the decision on Gray (presuming he regains DPP status) is not that straight forward.
Here are the top 10 FWD's from 2017, and their averages;
1. Macrae (106.9)
2. Ryder (103.0)
3. Yeo (102.1)
4. Franklin (98.3)
5. Heeney (97.6)
6. Townsend (97.5)
7. Greene (96.1)
8. Kennedy (93.5)
9. Wingard (93.0)
10. Billings (92.7)
IMO there is no way that Macrae, Ryder and Yeo will be FWD eligible in 2018.
Would you prefer Gray's 40's to Greene's suspensions? I don't!
So, IMO Gray rises up the FWD order of merit.
Quote from: DCAK on October 29, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: enzedder on October 26, 2017, 04:59:51 AM
Beams will be in my team if right R1.
Grey won’t be. Those 40s will kill. Can’t see him averaging well enough.
IMO the decision on Gray (presuming he regains DPP status) is not that straight forward.
Here are the top 10 FWD's from 2017, and their averages;
1. Macrae (106.9)
2. Ryder (103.0)
3. Yeo (102.1)
4. Franklin (98.3)
5. Heeney (97.6)
6. Townsend (97.5)
7. Greene (96.1)
8. Kennedy (93.5)
9. Wingard (93.0)
10. Billings (92.7)
IMO there is no way that Macrae, Ryder and Yeo will be FWD eligible in 2018.
Would you prefer Gray's 40's to Greene's suspensions? I don't!
So, IMO Gray rises up the FWD order of merit.
Billings is the only one I'm set on atm. Ryder is one I definitely want to but would be happy to him in Rucks so will have to see who is available as DPPs. Apart from those two I'm not locked in my thinking yet for who else to get but I would much rather Greene than Gray. Gray will not average as well IMO and Greene might play all 22. If he does Greene will be easily in the Top 10 fwds. FWIW Greene's games played since debuting in 2012 are 22, 24, 16, 23, 22, 19. Hardly bad.
Quote from: enzedder on October 29, 2017, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: DCAK on October 29, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: enzedder on October 26, 2017, 04:59:51 AM
Beams will be in my team if right R1.
Grey won’t be. Those 40s will kill. Can’t see him averaging well enough.
IMO the decision on Gray (presuming he regains DPP status) is not that straight forward.
Here are the top 10 FWD's from 2017, and their averages;
1. Macrae (106.9)
2. Ryder (103.0)
3. Yeo (102.1)
4. Franklin (98.3)
5. Heeney (97.6)
6. Townsend (97.5)
7. Greene (96.1)
8. Kennedy (93.5)
9. Wingard (93.0)
10. Billings (92.7)
IMO there is no way that Macrae, Ryder and Yeo will be FWD eligible in 2018.
Would you prefer Gray's 40's to Greene's suspensions? I don't!
So, IMO Gray rises up the FWD order of merit.
Billings is the only one I'm set on atm. Ryder is one I definitely want to but would be happy to him in Rucks so will have to see who is available as DPPs. Apart from those two I'm not locked in my thinking yet for who else to get but I would much rather Greene than Gray. Gray will not average as well IMO and Greene might play all 22. If he does Greene will be easily in the Top 10 fwds. FWIW Greene's games played since debuting in 2012 are 22, 24, 16, 23, 22, 19. Hardly bad.
Will have to wait and see how Gray is used with Rocky and Motlop arriving if he is plonked in FWD's for long periods you will get some of those low scores I think , Billings looks the goods and you think Greene would have learned about doing those stupid things after this year maybe ? but GWS was going to be this huge force for many years but honestly they keep losing many quality players think it will hurt them next year and maybe Greene's scoring ?
Brave man taking Townsend - snuck in at No 6 in 2017!
Quote from: Peter on October 31, 2017, 07:08:14 AM
Brave man taking Townsend - snuck in at No 6 in 2017!
He played 2 games and a 6 & 5 goal hauls. For those returns you would have expected a 115+ average.
No Heeney fwds?
Will repeat my 2017 strat next year. No long-term port/gcs players at start. Only cashcows if there is any worth getting.
Then try and pick up one or two in rd 11/12
Quote from: Trindacut on October 31, 2017, 06:24:50 PM
Will repeat my 2017 strat next year. No long-term port/gcs players at start. Only cashcows if there is any worth getting.
Then try and pick up one or two in rd 11/12
I did that last year and then brought in the wrong ones.
Lobb & NicNat for R1 and R2?
Fantasy Freako†@FantasyFreako
Rory Lobb has a HTA rate of 33.6% since 2015 - best of the top 70 hitouts players in the AFL. Lock him into your #SuperCoach side in 2018.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 02, 2017, 07:08:22 PM
Lobb & NicNat for R1 and R2?
Fantasy Freako†@FantasyFreako
Rory Lobb has a HTA rate of 33.6% since 2015 - best of the top 70 hitouts players in the AFL. Lock him into your #SuperCoach side in 2018.
Well I thought he was terrible in the prelim against Richmond and he still scored 129 so you might be onto something
Anyone know what Jack Graham will be worth? Only played the last 2 rounds but I have a feeling that after his finals series SuperCoach will bump up his price
Quote from: quinny88 on November 02, 2017, 07:17:08 PM
Anyone know what Jack Graham will be worth? Only played the last 2 rounds but I have a feeling that after his finals series SuperCoach will bump up his price
2 games @ 81.5 = 443k
2 games and an average over 60 usually means a 30% discount so that drops it to 310k
But he is in a similar position to Brayden Fiorini from 2016 who played the last two games an averaged 85 odd, SC gave him a 40% discount
So 40% would mean Graham would be 266k
Either way not really a good price would probably only consider him if the rookie situation was diabolical and he got fwd dpp.
This one will hurt most of us for 2018. Was a certain selection for most teams
Sam Docherty - Ruptured ACL - Likely to miss the 2018 season
Quote from: Ringo on November 15, 2017, 03:34:47 PM
This one will hurt most of us for 2018. Was a certain selection for most teams
Sam Docherty - Ruptured ACL - Likely to miss the 2018 season
I actually don't mind a lock like this missing, it makes things a bit more interesting!
Quote from: Gigantor on November 15, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 15, 2017, 03:34:47 PM
This one will hurt most of us for 2018. Was a certain selection for most teams
Sam Docherty - Ruptured ACL - Likely to miss the 2018 season
I actually don't mind a lock like this missing, it makes things a bit more interesting!
Hurt carlton more than us. Like Gigantor happy to go another year without Doc. Who will be the Def lock now?
Quote from: crowls on November 15, 2017, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on November 15, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 15, 2017, 03:34:47 PM
This one will hurt most of us for 2018. Was a certain selection for most teams
Sam Docherty - Ruptured ACL - Likely to miss the 2018 season
I actually don't mind a lock like this missing, it makes things a bit more interesting!
Hurt carlton more than us. Like Gigantor happy to go another year without Doc. Who will be the Def lock now?
Laird and Hurley? Blakely if he gets DPP
Anyone got the balls to go Simmo?
Quote from: Gigantor on November 15, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: crowls on November 15, 2017, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on November 15, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 15, 2017, 03:34:47 PM
This one will hurt most of us for 2018. Was a certain selection for most teams
Sam Docherty - Ruptured ACL - Likely to miss the 2018 season
I actually don't mind a lock like this missing, it makes things a bit more interesting!
Hurt carlton more than us. Like Gigantor happy to go another year without Doc. Who will be the Def lock now?
Laird and Hurley? Blakely if he gets DPP
Anyone got the balls to go Simmo?
No to Simmo.
Laird, Hibberd and Yeo.
Shaw?
Quote from: GoLions on November 16, 2017, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on November 16, 2017, 03:47:56 PM
Shaw?
Might go Williams this year tbh
Look into the impact of Wilson, Williams didn't impact Shaw much until Wilson came into it aswell.
Laird Hibberd ZWilliams easy done
Quote from: enzedder on November 16, 2017, 05:47:04 AM
Quote from: Gigantor on November 15, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: crowls on November 15, 2017, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on November 15, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: Ringo on November 15, 2017, 03:34:47 PM
This one will hurt most of us for 2018. Was a certain selection for most teams
Sam Docherty - Ruptured ACL - Likely to miss the 2018 season
I actually don't mind a lock like this missing, it makes things a bit more interesting!
Hurt carlton more than us. Like Gigantor happy to go another year without Doc. Who will be the Def lock now?
Laird and Hurley? Blakely if he gets DPP
Anyone got the balls to go Simmo?
No to Simmo.
Laird, Hibberd and Yeo.
Agree NZ, love simmo but against my over 30 rule. Be happy if Yeo gets DPP m/d.
Anyone think Omeara can get his body right at long last?
Feel like he could have a big year if he can. Big IF though. What will he be worth?
Quote from: quinny88 on November 21, 2017, 04:51:36 PM
Anyone think Omeara can get his body right at long last?
Feel like he could have a big year if he can. Big IF though. What will he be worth?
Will be priced similar to this year, low 300's
Don't think I could pick him again haha but it is tempting see that he could come out and average 105+
Birchall @ 275k
Worth the risk? Had a horror run with injury but If he could get to an 85 ave he wouldn't be the worst D6 with that starting price. Plus with Doch out and Adams losing DPP defense will probably be a bit weaker next year
Quote from: Gigantor on November 21, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
Birchall @ 275k
Worth the risk? Had a horror run with injury but If he could get to an 85 ave he wouldn't be the worst D6 with that starting price. Plus with Doch out and Adams losing DPP defense will probably be a bit weaker next year
If he is fit and lines up Rd1 he's an absolute lock at that price
I've learnt my lesson and will be going pure GnR with the only mid prices being absolute proven guns who are cheap due to injuries, like Birch - no speculative break outs for me anymore
Quote from: Gigantor on November 21, 2017, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on November 21, 2017, 04:51:36 PM
Anyone think Omeara can get his body right at long last?
Feel like he could have a big year if he can. Big IF though. What will he be worth?
Will be priced similar to this year, low 300's
Don't think I could pick him again haha but it is tempting see that he could come out and average 105+
Yeah would have to be cheaper for me to go there. Definitely think if he has an untirupted pre season I will be tempted though
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 21, 2017, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on November 21, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
Birchall @ 275k
Worth the risk? Had a horror run with injury but If he could get to an 85 ave he wouldn't be the worst D6 with that starting price. Plus with Doch out and Adams losing DPP defense will probably be a bit weaker next year
If he is fit and lines up Rd1 he's an absolute lock at that price
I've learnt my lesson and will be going pure GnR with the only mid prices being absolute proven guns who are cheap due to injuries, like Birch - no speculative break outs for me anymore
Haha I'm with you there RD.. although I say the same thing this time every year only to get sucked in ::)
Picking the Clayton Oliver type break out is so big in giving you a leg up.
With Birch, is he really set to be that cheap? Would be a lock for me for sure
From Freako:
Tom Rockliff averaged 138 #SuperCoach pts in the 39 games @championdata covered him as a junior. Jack Higgins has averaged 144 pts from his 39 games.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 21, 2017, 09:04:11 PM
From Freako:
Tom Rockliff averaged 138 #SuperCoach pts in the 39 games @championdata covered him as a junior. Jack Higgins has averaged 144 pts from his 39 games.
That's why I'm hoping he slips out of the top 10 so he's not so expensive haha
Can't be long before Fantasy prices released?
Quote from: Peter on November 23, 2017, 07:09:29 AM
Can't be long before Fantasy prices released?
Usually around mid December when SC Gold opens
Yeah still need the draft to be done and lists finalised. Should get some leaks of positions and prices over the next couple of weeks though
So my last assignment for uni has now been handed up and I am done. More time to research supercoach,
@FantasyFreako
Final count of senior listed DPP's for 2018 is 131. #SuperCoach #AFLFantasy #2018AFLProspectus
According to the SC player list there where a total of 141 for 2017, so if you add rookies to that 131 it probably won't be much different.
Quote from: Gigantor on November 29, 2017, 04:22:17 PM
@FantasyFreako
Final count of senior listed DPP's for 2018 is 131. #SuperCoach #AFLFantasy #2018AFLProspectus
According to the SC player list there where a total of 141 for 2017, so if you add rookies to that 131 it probably won't be much different.
Should be interesting to see how many retained DPP vs how many were awarded it.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-01/assume-the-position-fantasy-positions-locked-in
Some news here.
Quote from: Nige on December 01, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-01/assume-the-position-fantasy-positions-locked-in
Some news here.
Gray FWD only the only real surprise in that.
Quote from: Gigantor on December 01, 2017, 04:31:28 PM
Quote from: Nige on December 01, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-01/assume-the-position-fantasy-positions-locked-in
Some news here.
Gray FWD only the only real surprise in that.
Not really surprised by that, he barely ventured out of the 50 all year and unless he's going to in 2018 then he's probably not worth it. Too up and down
No mention of Blakely in defence or Sidebottom forward? I take it that rules them out then when the article states that they have given us the most relevant fantasy players
Yeo in defence and without DPP is probably the only one I’m interested in.
Menegola is looking more and more likely as a fwd DPP in my team as options look limited. Thought Billings would be fwd/mid...but will take him as a fwd.
Gray is a not worth it unless he plays on the ball and can’t see that happening.
Quote from: Adamant on December 01, 2017, 07:21:33 PM
Here are all the confirmed leaks so far:
Menegola MID/FWD
Barlow MID/FWD
Mundy MID/FWD
Heeney MID/FWD
Boak MID/FWD
Mathieson MID/FWD
Parish MID/FWD
Setterfield MID/FWD
Wells MID/FWD
KJack MID/FWD
Thomas MID/FWD
Dahlhaus MID/FWD
Petracca MID/FWD
Wallis MID/FWD
Westhoff MID/FWD
De Goey MID/FWD
Acres MID/FWD
Wingard MID/FWD
MRobinson MID/FWD
Colyer MID/FWD
Balic MID/FWD
Walters MID/FWD
McCluggage MID/FWD
Hanley DEF/MID
Aish DEF/MID
Seedsman DEF/MID
ABrayshaw DEF/MID
LMcDonald DEF/MID
TMcDonald DEF/FWD
Sicily DEF/FWD
RClarke DEF
Yeo DEF
Duggan DEF
Vlastuin DEF
LJones DEF
Conca DEF
Rich DEF
Crisp DEF
Vince DEF
Suckling DEF
Salem DEF
Bowes DEF
BEllis DEF
Deledio FWD
RGray FWD
Picken FWD
Gunston FWD
Billings FWD
JMartin FWD
Lobb FWD
Keays FWD
Melksham FWD
Lang FWD
Hrovat FWD
Crozier FWD
Dangerfield MID
DMartin MID
Fyfe MID
TAdams MID
Lewis MID
Macrae MID
ISmith MID
BHill MID
Blakely MID
Newnes MID
Goddard MID
Daniel MID
Griffen MID
ZJones MID
Steele MID
Motlop MID
LHunter MID
Fiorini MID
Greenwood MID
DHowe MID
Higgins MID
Sheed MID
Sidebottom MID
WHE MID
Rockliff MID
Newman MID
MKennedy MID
Bastinac MID
Lovell MID
TPhillips MID
Amon MID
Wigg MID
Berry MID
CEY MID
Weller MID
JGraham MID
JSinclair MID
Nankervis RUC
Preuss RUC
MCox RUC/FWD
Daw RUC/FWD
ASmith RUC/FWD
McKernan RUC/FWD
Buzza RUC/FWD
Stanley RUC/FWD
Pedersen RUC/FWD
Tippett RUC/FWD
McInnes RUC/FWD
English RUC/FWD
Blakely not getting DEF/MID has to be an oversight, he played there the vast majority of the year.
Lobb being FWD only is a let down too.
Not much to get excited about with the DPP list but it should mean we get a few different forward and back lines.
Quote from: SilverLion on December 02, 2017, 01:42:25 PM
Blakely not getting DEF/MID has to be an oversight, he played there the vast majority of the year.
Lobb being FWD only is a let down too.
Yeah that's very odd if those 2 aren't dpp
The forward line might be the place to load up on rookies if possible. The premo options are pretty ordinary as far as proven guns go. Lots of guys to wait and see on though like Petracca, Billings, Wingard etc.
Heeney is literally the only guy I have locked. Gray is unappealing with all the midfielders at Port and not knowing how they structure up. There's the tried and tested guys like Buddy, Dahl, and Kennedy but you know you'll get mid 90s at best from them all.
Was really hoping for a Sidebottom or Bont to lock in at F1 alongside Heeney then Lobb as the fwd/ruck swing man (Nank 2.0) but that's already out the window ::)
Billings, Dahlhaus are my fwd locks
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 03, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
Billings, Dahlhaus are my fwd locks
Not sure about Dahl, really dropped off after a massive start.
rd 1-7 ave 108.9 5x100+
rd 8-22 ave 82.2 3x100+
Quote from: Gigantor on December 03, 2017, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 03, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
Billings, Dahlhaus are my fwd locks
Not sure about Dahl, really dropped off after a massive start.
rd 1-7 ave 108.9 5x100+
rd 8-22 ave 82.2 3x100+
Billings, Heeney and Menegola look solid. Toby Greene would have to a fwd too. Those 4 will be on my early radar.
Dahlhaus is a definite option but given his ordinary second half he won't be as popular in 2018. Lined up as a fwd crumber a bit towards the end of the year too and that is not what you want.
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Billings, Dahlhaus are my fwd locks
Not sure about Dahl, really dropped off after a massive start.
rd 1-7 ave 108.9 5x100+
rd 8-22 ave 82.2 3x100+
Billings, Heeney and Menegola look solid. Toby Greene would have to a fwd too. Those 4 will be on my early radar.
Dahlhaus is a definite option but given his ordinary second half he won't be as popular in 2018. Lined up as a fwd crumber a bit towards the end of the year too and that is not what you want.
Agree Billings, Heeney and Menegola, will sit on Dahl. Barlow might be worth considering as upgrade post bye.
For ruck are there any potential Witt options in 2018. Maybe Buzza, or Darcy from Freo?
There's no way I'd pay up a big price to start Menegola. Geelong have recruited and drafted for midfield depth and who knows where he fits into all of that. Same reason I'm waiting to see what happens with Boak and Gray at Port.
So many unknowns up forward but I do like Billings chances of taking the next step
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 04:31:50 PM
There's no way I'd pay up a big price to start Menegola. Geelong have recruited and drafted for midfield depth and who knows where he fits into all of that. Same reason I'm waiting to see what happens with Boak and Gray at Port.
So many unknowns up forward but I do like Billings chances of taking the next step
Yeh bit of an unkown with Gaz in the lineup. Would prefer to see gaz mainly high forward and menegola around the ball. If menegola gets the high half forward role his average will likely drop. Not sure why they took Crameri other than a backup for hawkins?
Dahl had an ordinary year, like most of the Dogs
Heeney, Billings, Dahl would be my 3 locks at this stage, and even with all their changes Robbie Gray will be very hard to ignore
Quote from: crowls on December 03, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 04:31:50 PM
There's no way I'd pay up a big price to start Menegola. Geelong have recruited and drafted for midfield depth and who knows where he fits into all of that. Same reason I'm waiting to see what happens with Boak and Gray at Port.
So many unknowns up forward but I do like Billings chances of taking the next step
Yeh bit of an unkown with Gaz in the lineup. Would prefer to see gaz mainly high forward and menegola around the ball. If menegola gets the high half forward role his average will likely drop. Not sure why they took Crameri other than a backup for hawkins?
Yeah I rather just wait and see what happens there. Could say that of a lot of players though in the forward line
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 03, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
Dahl had an ordinary year, like most of the Dogs
Heeney, Billings, Dahl would be my 3 locks at this stage, and even with all their changes Robbie Gray will be very hard to ignore
What do you see changing with Gray though? They changed his role to a permanent forward, he made all Australian so a super year but still only averaged 91 and now they've added more mids to their team.
If Brett Deledio and Harley Bennell can get their bodies right they could both go 100+ and be bargains. Big IF though
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 03, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
Dahl had an ordinary year, like most of the Dogs
Heeney, Billings, Dahl would be my 3 locks at this stage, and even with all their changes Robbie Gray will be very hard to ignore
What do you see changing with Gray though? They changed his role to a permanent forward, he made all Australian so a super year but still only averaged 91 and now they've added more mids to their team.
90+ is a prem fwd. The reality is barely any forwards will go 100+. Gray has the history so he has to at least be strongly considered
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 05:29:37 PM
If Brett Deledio and Harley Bennell can get their bodies right they could both go 100+ and be bargains. Big IF though
Not a chance
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Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 05:29:37 PM
If Brett Deledio and Harley Bennell can get their bodies right they could both go 100+ and be bargains. Big IF though
Not a chance
Lids will be 31 and therefore not qualify in my team. Bennell is still a possibility and I am unlikely to start him.
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Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 05:29:37 PM
If Brett Deledio and Harley Bennell can get their bodies right they could both go 100+ and be bargains. Big IF though
Not a chance
Lids will be 31 and therefore not qualify in my team. Bennell is still a possibility and I am unlikely to start him.
Not a chance of them going 100+ or not a chance of getting them? Haha
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 03, 2017, 07:38:31 PM
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 03, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
Dahl had an ordinary year, like most of the Dogs
Heeney, Billings, Dahl would be my 3 locks at this stage, and even with all their changes Robbie Gray will be very hard to ignore
What do you see changing with Gray though? They changed his role to a permanent forward, he made all Australian so a super year but still only averaged 91 and now they've added more mids to their team.
90+ is a prem fwd. The reality is barely any forwards will go 100+. Gray has the history so he has to at least be strongly considered
Barely. There were still 11 guys that had a higher avg than gray and that was a horrible year for forwards. Certainly haven't ruled him out completely but can't see myself starting him unless a clear role becomes apparent in the pre season. One that includes a bit of midfield time hopefully
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 03, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
Dahl had an ordinary year, like most of the Dogs
Heeney, Billings, Dahl would be my 3 locks at this stage, and even with all their changes Robbie Gray will be very hard to ignore
What do you see changing with Gray though? They changed his role to a permanent forward, he made all Australian so a super year but still only averaged 91 and now they've added more mids to their team.
90+ is a prem fwd. The reality is barely any forwards will go 100+. Gray has the history so he has to at least be strongly considered
Barely. There were still 11 guys that had a higher avg than gray and that was a horrible year for forwards. Certainly haven't ruled him out completely but can't see myself starting him unless a clear role becomes apparent in the pre season. One that includes a bit of midfield time hopefully
There were only 3 forwards who went 100+ this year. Macrae and Yeo were 2, and they are no longer forward, and the 3rd was Ryder who we don't know about yet
Only 14 forwards went 90+, and a bunch of them are no longer forwards
Considering Grays history and assumed price, he is a strong chance to start for me
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 09:52:24 PM
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Quote from: _wato on December 03, 2017, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 05:29:37 PM
If Brett Deledio and Harley Bennell can get their bodies right they could both go 100+ and be bargains. Big IF though
Not a chance
Lids will be 31 and therefore not qualify in my team. Bennell is still a possibility and I am unlikely to start him.
Not a chance of them going 100+ or not a chance of getting them? Haha
both, even if they did avg 100+ would noybe full seasons. fwds prem expect to score 2000+ points to get a starting gig.
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 03, 2017, 04:39:03 PM
Dahl had an ordinary year, like most of the Dogs
Heeney, Billings, Dahl would be my 3 locks at this stage, and even with all their changes Robbie Gray will be very hard to ignore
What do you see changing with Gray though? They changed his role to a permanent forward, he made all Australian so a super year but still only averaged 91 and now they've added more mids to their team.
90+ is a prem fwd. The reality is barely any forwards will go 100+. Gray has the history so he has to at least be strongly considered
Barely. There were still 11 guys that had a higher avg than gray and that was a horrible year for forwards. Certainly haven't ruled him out completely but can't see myself starting him unless a clear role becomes apparent in the pre season. One that includes a bit of midfield time hopefully
There were only 3 forwards who went 100+ this year. Macrae and Yeo were 2, and they are no longer forward, and the 3rd was Ryder who we don't know about yet
Only 14 forwards went 90+, and a bunch of them are no longer forwards
Considering Grays history and assumed price, he is a strong chance to start for me
The thing that really puts me off him is the 38, 30, 44, 45. Will go big when he kicks goals but the up and down is Tom Lynch 2.0
Has the round 8 bye again so im happy to wait and see on him Wingard and Boak and grab one after their bye
Yeah I just said he needs to be at least considered
The bye, and the unknown of all the new players in their side is probably enough alone to pass and reassess at R9
Quote from: crowls on December 03, 2017, 10:42:02 PM
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Quote from: quinny88 on December 03, 2017, 05:29:37 PM
If Brett Deledio and Harley Bennell can get their bodies right they could both go 100+ and be bargains. Big IF though
Not a chance
Lids will be 31 and therefore not qualify in my team. Bennell is still a possibility and I am unlikely to start him.
Not a chance of them going 100+ or not a chance of getting them? Haha
both, even if they did avg 100+ would noybe full seasons. fwds prem expect to score 2000+ points to get a starting gig.
Exactly
Annoyed Lobb is FWD only, dunno if I'll pick him now
Forwards easily toughest to nail early. Definitely Heeney and Billings. Thinking maybe JJK as third forward, simply because he starts the year well and always finishes with 2000+ points apart from this year with injury. Last 3 years has started with or by round 2 had a score over 175+
Not keen on gray anymore and interested to see role of Devon. One guy I'm very interested in is Mitch Robinson purely because Rocky has gone and when he was there he had midfield mins. Not to mention bundy is back to play FWD and Cameron a Goal kicking winger whom they've bought in.
Barlow is another who interests. Cyril Bennell will be cheap but carry massive risk.
Anyone know what Lids and Bennell will be worth?
was relying on lobb being my r/f link, so spewing. probably do gawn, nic nat, maybe darcy for r3.
barlow is definitely worth thought at his starting price and gaz gone.
f3 out of barlow, dahl, lobb or jjk
Quote from: crowls on December 03, 2017, 11:36:02 PM
was relying on lobb being my r/f link, so spewing. probably do gawn, nic nat, maybe darcy for r3.
barlow is definitely worth thought at his starting price and gaz gone.
f3 out of barlow, dahl, lobb or jjk
Me too. Didn't even consider that he could miss out either. Lobbe at Carlton will be a cheap ruck option if Kreuzer goes down at any point. A playing ruck rookie may be important with no swing man fwd/ruc. Unless by a miracle Ryder got fwd/ruck status again.
Lobb still good option imo as playing first ruck will always get around or more than 90 which will be benchmark for forwards
Quote from: Peter on December 04, 2017, 07:27:51 AM
Lobb still good option imo as playing first ruck will always get around or more than 90 which will be benchmark for forwards
Agree. No DPP is annoying but still a strong chance to start for me. Shown he goes well as sole ruck
Menegola would be a SC superstar if he could kick straight
Quote from: LordSneeze on December 04, 2017, 11:15:43 AM
Menegola would be a SC superstar if he could kick straight
hope he keeps his mid minutes up this year. upgrade fwd target for me
anybody like Conor McKenna for a breakout year ?
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 04, 2017, 09:46:32 PM
anybody like Conor McKenna for a breakout year ?
Probably. I've given up on ever trying to pick the breakouts though haha
Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
Quote from: SilverLion on December 05, 2017, 12:03:44 AM
Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
I don't think he should've been a forward to begin with, but yes CD are full of shower in a wide variety of areas. Goddard, worst of all, definitely should've been a D/M.
Quote from: SilverLion on December 05, 2017, 12:03:44 AM
Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
He played a game in the SANFL, and when a player doesn't play in the AFL, it then comes to their position in the reserves.
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Quote from: SilverLion on December 05, 2017, 12:03:44 AM
Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
He played a game in the SANFL, and when a player doesn't play in the AFL, it then comes to their position in the reserves.
He played 1 game in the sanfl, surely that's not enough to strip someone of their dpp status
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Quote from: SilverLion on December 05, 2017, 12:03:44 AM
Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
He played a game in the SANFL, and when a player doesn't play in the AFL, it then comes to their position in the reserves.
He played 1 game in the sanfl, surely that's not enough to strip someone of their dpp status
Agreed. Champion Data seem to think otherwise. I was just saying why it happened.
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Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
He played a game in the SANFL, and when a player doesn't play in the AFL, it then comes to their position in the reserves.
He played 1 game in the sanfl, surely that's not enough to strip someone of their dpp status
Agreed. Champion Data seem to think otherwise. I was just saying why it happened.
In the past champion data have been picky and choosy with how they apply their own rules. Best example is GAJ who missed enough games to each a discount, but they didn't apply one.
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Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
He played a game in the SANFL, and when a player doesn't play in the AFL, it then comes to their position in the reserves.
He played 1 game in the sanfl, surely that's not enough to strip someone of their dpp status
Agreed. Champion Data seem to think otherwise. I was just saying why it happened.
In the past champion data have been picky and choosy with how they apply their own rules. Best example is GAJ who missed enough games to each a discount, but they didn't apply one.
Yeah exactly right. Im convinced they do the same with positions too. I can't speak for every team but if they need more of an example of a mid/fwd than Dusty then I'd like to see what it is because I watched every Richmond game religiously and that bloke spends a ton of time inside the forward 50
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Hmm something peculiar I just realised, if indeed CEY is mid only then that's evidence that the just pick and choose with regards to certain players. He was a FWD/MID this year and he didn't play a game due to injury so he should be the same next year.
He played a game in the SANFL, and when a player doesn't play in the AFL, it then comes to their position in the reserves.
He played 1 game in the sanfl, surely that's not enough to strip someone of their dpp status
Agreed. Champion Data seem to think otherwise. I was just saying why it happened.
In the past champion data have been picky and choosy with how they apply their own rules. Best example is GAJ who missed enough games to each a discount, but they didn't apply one.
Yeah exactly right. Im convinced they do the same with positions too. I can't speak for every team but if they need more of an example of a mid/fwd than Dusty then I'd like to see what it is because I watched every Richmond game religiously and that bloke spends a ton of time inside the forward 50
Its not based on time spent in forward 50. Its all based on % of centre bounces starting in certain positions, or at least that's what I have been told by some of the gurus.
Is Daniel referring to Caleb Daniel as a mid only, or someone else?
Quote from: GoLions on December 06, 2017, 01:21:32 PM
Is Daniel referring to Caleb Daniel as a mid only, or someone else?
He’s the only guy with the surname Daniel in the league so I’d assume it’s him
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Quote from: GoLions on December 06, 2017, 01:21:32 PM
Is Daniel referring to Caleb Daniel as a mid only, or someone else?
He’s the only guy with the surname Daniel in the league so I’d assume it’s him
Damn :p
Do not fret though
http://dreamteamtalk.com/2017/12/01/2018-afl-fantasy-positions/
Lists him as a m/f
Magpie Taylor Adams, who was the second-top scoring defender of 2017, is available for selection as a midfielder only next year.
Top-scoring forward Jack Macrae has also lost his dual-position status and can only be picked in the midfield.
Jack Steele (mid only), Jake Lloyd (defender only) and Lions pair Alex Witherden (defender only) and Jarrod Berry (mid only) are among the other players to lose DPP eligibility for 2018.
And we’ll have to find a new ruck strategy with former ruck-forwards Toby Nankervis and Paddy Ryder now only available as rucks. Even Docker Luke Strnadica, who didn’t play a game but was a popular bench option, has lost his DPP eligibility.
There are also a number of pure position changes.
Elliot Yeo was classified as a mid-forward last season and averaged 103 points. Next year he is a defender.
Kangaroo Shaun Higgins has moved from a forward to a midfielder, ex-defender Zak Jones is also a midfielder and Blues recruit Matthew Kennedy may have lost some of his appeal after Champion Data changed his position from forward to midfielder.
One move SuperCoach players won’t mind is Port Adelaide star Robbie Gray. A former popular selection as a mid-forward, Gray slipped off the fantasy radar as a mid-only in 2017. But he is set to return with a bang next year after being classified as a forward.
The ranks of new dual-position players are headed by Geelong’s Sam Menegola, who averaged 100 points a game as a midfielder in 2017 and can now be picked as a mid-forward.
Chad Wingard, Travis Boak, Isaac Heeney, Will Setterfield and Michael Barlow may all attract interest as new mid-forwards, along with veterans Dale Thomas, Daniel Wells and David Mundy.
Surprise Carlton recruit Jarrod Garlett is set to be a popular pick after being classified as a mid-forward.
Another player with added flexibility is Docker Michael Walters, who averaged 111 points during a nine-week purple patch from Rounds 7-16 last year. He’s a mid-forward for 2018.
SuperCoach players committed to a ruck-forward swing can look to Demon Cam Pedersen, Collingwood big man Mason Cox â€" flagged for a more prominent role next year by coach Nathan Buckley â€" and Bulldog Tim English.
There are also plenty of DPP rookies including Tigers Jack Higgins and Patrick Naish (mid-forwards), Magpie Nathan Murphy (defender-forward), Carlton’s Lochie O’Brien (defender-mid), Lachlan Keeffe (defender-forward), Port Adelaide’s draft steal Sam Hayes (ruck-forward) and Brisbane academy star Connor Ballenden (forward-defender).
And SuperCoaches will be relieved to note Luke Dahlhaus, Jordan de Goey and late-season bench saviour Tarir Bayok have all retained mid-forward status for 2018.
So Yeo to be a lock in defence this year?
Quote from: LordSneeze on December 06, 2017, 03:32:21 PM
So Yeo to be a lock in defence this year?
Is for me. Priddis and Mitchell hanging up the boots should mean a similar role with maybe more mid minutes. Those type of defenders are hard to ignore.
Quote from: Ringo on December 06, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
Do not fret though
http://dreamteamtalk.com/2017/12/01/2018-afl-fantasy-positions/
Lists him as a m/f
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Gawn 503k and NicNat 465k will be a very popular set and forget
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 07, 2017, 01:16:04 PM
Gawn 503k and NicNat 465k will be a very popular set and forget
With Timmy English as the back up.
Grant Birchall 277k would be hard not to consider. Even more so if you could sneak him in as a D5
Quote from: AaronKirk on December 07, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Grant Birchall 277k would be hard not to consider. Even more so if you could sneak him in as a D5
Will be in my first draft. How long he stays in there is the question.
which rookies are ppl looking at from North with the rebuild
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 07, 2017, 03:52:34 PM
which rookies are ppl looking at from North with the rebuild
I heard that Hartung kid has an elite kick :)
Interesting, the magic number went up from 5440 to 5498 which means all of the 2017 players are more expensive
But the top 20 rookies are noticeably cheaper for 2018
2017 #1 McGrath 211800
2018 #2 Rayner 202800
2017 #10 Bowes 171300
2018 #10 O'Brien 162300
2017 #20 Cumming 126300
2018 #20 Coleman-J 117300
Quote from: Money Shot on December 07, 2017, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on December 07, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Grant Birchall 277k would be hard not to consider. Even more so if you could sneak him in as a D5
Will be in my first draft. How long he stays in there is the question.
My Take on Birchall
Gonna be 30 at the start of the season.
Take out his injury interrupted 6 and he averaged 77 last year.
Has declined in scoring for 5 straight years from a peak of 94.6
Distribution since 2014
100+ - 23.53%
90-99 â€" 22.06%
80-89 â€" 20.59%
-80 â€" 33.82%
Expected average 80-83
Starting Price - $277,100
Expected Average Price - $450,000
Possible Price gain - $129,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Possible Rookie Average - 70
Rookie Starting Price - $150,000 (Approx)
Expected Average Price - $390,000
Possible Price Gain - $180,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Is he a keeper - NO
OutcomeGain 10-13 points per game for 12 rounds (Essentially until byes)
Cost $127k over a rookie.
Loss of $50k on price increases.
Do you save a trade - NO
So how many extra points can you get for $127k (Based on pricing taking a 530k player over a $400k player should gain you closer to 20 points) + how many extra points will an extra $50k get you after trades?
To make it worthwhile he would need to average 90 and turn into a premium, something i see as a 15-20% chance.
This is a very clear no for me.
Good analysis LD, but I think we have to give him a little leeway as he has been dealing with injuries for a few years now
If he is fit, and I mean 100% fit then I think I'll start him
A lot will depend on how many rookies are available round 1 etc to determine what structure I can go with, but he is definitely in for now
With Gibbo and Hodge gone too, he could definitely be their general down back
The hope would be that he turns into a D6 keeper, but we need to factor in his JS too because we know def rookies can be dropped any week, so that added security also adds to his worth
Quote from: LordSneeze on December 07, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on December 07, 2017, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on December 07, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Grant Birchall 277k would be hard not to consider. Even more so if you could sneak him in as a D5
Will be in my first draft. How long he stays in there is the question.
My Take on Birchall
Gonna be 30 at the start of the season.
Take out his injury interrupted 6 and he averaged 77 last year.
Has declined in scoring for 5 straight years from a peak of 94.6
Distribution since 2014
100+ - 23.53%
90-99 â€" 22.06%
80-89 â€" 20.59%
-80 â€" 33.82%
Expected average 80-83
Starting Price - $277,100
Expected Average Price - $450,000
Possible Price gain - $129,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Possible Rookie Average - 70
Rookie Starting Price - $150,000 (Approx)
Expected Average Price - $390,000
Possible Price Gain - $180,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Is he a keeper - NO
Outcome
Gain 10-13 points per game for 12 rounds (Essentially until byes)
Cost $127k over a rookie.
Loss of $50k on price increases.
Do you save a trade - NO
So how many extra points can you get for $127k (Based on pricing taking a 530k player over a $400k player should gain you closer to 20 points) + how many extra points will an extra $50k get you after trades?
To make it worthwhile he would need to average 90 and turn into a premium, something i see as a 15-20% chance.
This is a very clear no for me.
Didn't get to play his usual game with all the injuries Hawthorn had in defence though.
If he stays injury free he could easily average 90+ and be a keeper at D6.
At the moment I have Yeo, Laird, Hibberd, Birchall, O'Shea, Richards, Doedee, Murray
I don't feel he could comfortably average 90 and that is my cutoff for a keeper.
Not sure you can say he has been dealing with injuries for years and 2 of the last 4 years he has played 22 games. While you can say his drop in points is off positional changes, if is guesswork in that case to know what role he will play. If he was $200k I take that risk, but at this price point I don't see the value unless he is a keeper and just cant see it happening.
He will be popular, so one of those ones that could be a good POD not taking on.
So I just did a quick scan to see what cheap ex prems we have
Birch down back
Griffin is 277K or something, super cheap but don't think I could do it. Same for JOM
Christensen and Bennell I like in the forward line though. Bennell a lock at that price if he plays, and Bundy I like too
Lids cheap too, but don't think I'll take him
Anyone else?
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 07, 2017, 08:09:49 PM
So I just did a quick scan to see what cheap ex prems we have
Birch down back
Griffin is 277K or something, super cheap but don't think I could do it. Same for JOM
Christensen and Bennell I like in the forward line though.
Bennell is damn tempting at 254k, if he could string a few games together. Risk/reward but we all know what he's capable of. Easy rookie correction if he spuds too.
Cyril at 317k will be tempting too, but I won't go there
Just saw that Conigs is 450k. Think I will try to squeeze him in at that price
So after a little digging I've noticed they have been a lot more generous with discounts on low end players.
In the past it was very black and white, played less than 8 games and averaged over 60? Discount is applied.
This lead to ridiculous situations where a player who averaged 59.9 would be more expensive than a player who averaged 60.1
In 2017 they changed it and had a sliding scale, 60+ got the full discount, 50-60 got a bit less, 40-50 less again. The trade off was players who missed a whole seasons like Roughie only got a 30% discount not 40%. Plus guys like GAJ, Fyfe, Beams and JOM got a minimal or no discount just because :)
Now on to 2018, they have more or less removed the average requirement. For example Ben Long and Brad Sheer both played 4 games with aves in the 30, in the past no discount, 2018 they get the full 20% discount that higher averaging players got like Deledio (He was the highest averaging 4 game player from 2017)
So this means that there are lot of players who played 1-7 games that in the past would have been in the crappy 200k-250k range and never looked at, are now in the 150k-200k range and could be more viable than some of the top end rookies who don't have a full season in the system under their belt
TLDR:
Increased discounts for low end players means a lot of the 2017 Rookies who played a few games are still relatively cheap in 2018 and could be viable picks!
Quote from: LordSneeze on December 07, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on December 07, 2017, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on December 07, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Grant Birchall 277k would be hard not to consider. Even more so if you could sneak him in as a D5
Will be in my first draft. How long he stays in there is the question.
My Take on Birchall
Gonna be 30 at the start of the season.
Take out his injury interrupted 6 and he averaged 77 last year.
Has declined in scoring for 5 straight years from a peak of 94.6
Distribution since 2014
100+ - 23.53%
90-99 â€" 22.06%
80-89 â€" 20.59%
-80 â€" 33.82%
Expected average 80-83
Starting Price - $277,100
Expected Average Price - $450,000
Possible Price gain - $129,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Possible Rookie Average - 70
Rookie Starting Price - $150,000 (Approx)
Expected Average Price - $390,000
Possible Price Gain - $180,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Is he a keeper - NO
Outcome
Gain 10-13 points per game for 12 rounds (Essentially until byes)
Cost $127k over a rookie.
Loss of $50k on price increases.
Do you save a trade - NO
So how many extra points can you get for $127k (Based on pricing taking a 530k player over a $400k player should gain you closer to 20 points) + how many extra points will an extra $50k get you after trades?
To make it worthwhile he would need to average 90 and turn into a premium, something i see as a 15-20% chance.
This is a very clear no for me.
Outstanding analysis LS, you've nailed it. Won't be selecting Birchall.
Quote from: DCAK on December 10, 2017, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on December 07, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on December 07, 2017, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on December 07, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Grant Birchall 277k would be hard not to consider. Even more so if you could sneak him in as a D5
Will be in my first draft. How long he stays in there is the question.
My Take on Birchall
Gonna be 30 at the start of the season.
Take out his injury interrupted 6 and he averaged 77 last year.
Has declined in scoring for 5 straight years from a peak of 94.6
Distribution since 2014
100+ - 23.53%
90-99 â€" 22.06%
80-89 â€" 20.59%
-80 â€" 33.82%
Expected average 80-83
Starting Price - $277,100
Expected Average Price - $450,000
Possible Price gain - $129,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Possible Rookie Average - 70
Rookie Starting Price - $150,000 (Approx)
Expected Average Price - $390,000
Possible Price Gain - $180,000 (25% discount for non max onsale price)
Is he a keeper - NO
Outcome
Gain 10-13 points per game for 12 rounds (Essentially until byes)
Cost $127k over a rookie.
Loss of $50k on price increases.
Do you save a trade - NO
So how many extra points can you get for $127k (Based on pricing taking a 530k player over a $400k player should gain you closer to 20 points) + how many extra points will an extra $50k get you after trades?
To make it worthwhile he would need to average 90 and turn into a premium, something i see as a 15-20% chance.
This is a very clear no for me.
Outstanding analysis LS, you've nailed it. Won't be selecting Birchall.
Love reading your analysis LS. Being non Birchall will be a POD for a select few the way things are going. Happy to not have him.
What if Birchall holds down your D4 tho?
As opposed to a 450k+ player, that money saved goes where...could be spent very wisely or not.
Just don't pick Birch first! see what funds you have left over after all primary targets are picked.
Don't force him in rather see if he fits your teams structure at the end, pure statistics must be noted but many other things come into play.
D is the least important line imo i made the mistake of going to expensive down back last year, the points just don't come near the spend
overall.
Quote from: Grufflez on December 12, 2017, 04:51:01 PM
D is the least important line imo i made the mistake of going to expensive down back last year, the points just don't come near the spend
overall.
Quite right Grufflez. For many years my starting team only had one >500k starter. This year I was going to take Doc for the first time and don't need to now. Laird likely to be only>500k player. Sifting through Hanley, Hurley(no), Hibberd (probably no), Simpson (likely), Howe, Roberton, Rance, McGovern. Yeo is probably a no until we find out where he will be spending most of his time. All I am aiming at is likely 2000 point scorer for a starter. so a 22 @91 or 21@95 or 20@100 player. Not that many of them around when you start looking at the stats.
Do you guys think Seedsman will play the full year as Smith's replacement? And if so, could he feasibly average 90+?
Quote from: SilverLion on December 13, 2017, 11:02:03 AM
Do you guys think Seedsman will play the full year as Smith's replacement? And if so, could he feasibly average 90+?
I reckon Gibbs may be the one that slots into that role at times
Quote from: SilverLion on December 13, 2017, 11:02:03 AM
Do you guys think Seedsman will play the full year as Smith's replacement? And if so, could he feasibly average 90+?
I think it is a possibility. I will be watching him in the JLT for sure. Has shown he can score well in the past. Would expect an 80-85 average however.
Quote from: SilverLion on December 13, 2017, 11:02:03 AM
Do you guys think Seedsman will play the full year as Smith's replacement? And if so, could he feasibly average 90+?
no
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
+1
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
Well with Mitchell & Priddis retiring there are two spots up for grabs in the WC midfield, I'd say Ah Chee is a very good chance to grab one of them. I'd also say Redden will have a significant role to play in 2018, If I had bigger plums I'd start with him.
Quote from: DCAK on December 13, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
Well with Mitchell & Priddis retiring there are two spots up for grabs in the WC midfield, I'd say Ah Chee is a very good chance to grab one of them. I'd also say Redden will have a significant role to play in 2018, If I had bigger plums I'd start with him.
so ah chee gets the gig what are eagles coaches expecting ah chee to avg. will it be based on increased tog or inc pts/min or both?. without this estimate we cannot assess viability of the option..
Quote from: crowls on December 13, 2017, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: DCAK on December 13, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
Well with Mitchell & Priddis retiring there are two spots up for grabs in the WC midfield, I'd say Ah Chee is a very good chance to grab one of them. I'd also say Redden will have a significant role to play in 2018, If I had bigger plums I'd start with him.
so ah chee gets the gig what are eagles coaches expecting ah chee to avg. will it be based on increased tog or inc pts/min or both?. without this estimate we cannot assess viability of the option..
What do the WC coaching staff think BAC will average, as in SC avg? I doubt they'd give a hoot. But... Data shows that in the 5 games he played for Port in 2016 he spent the majority of his TOG in the forward 50 where it's hard to rack up the SC points. His avg TOG was 78, so if he took up a role in the midfield there is definitely scope for him to increase both his avg TOG and disposals. This still would not make him a keeper as far as being a MID goes, but it might make him a decent FWD option.
Yeah he might get games for us, but surely you could find rookies who will score the same?
Makes no sense at all to me to pick him at his price
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 11:28:45 PM
Yeah he might get games for us, but surely you could find rookies who will score the same?
Makes no sense at all to me to pick him at his price
Agreed. Especially when there are cheap proven options like Lids, Bennell and Christensen
Quote from: quinny88 on December 13, 2017, 11:41:27 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 11:28:45 PM
Yeah he might get games for us, but surely you could find rookies who will score the same?
Makes no sense at all to me to pick him at his price
Agreed. Especially when there are cheap proven options like Lids, Bennell and Christensen
You'd rather pick Lids or Bennell? Lids can't even get on the park, an absolutely terrible pick and at a heavily discounted price for a very good reason, Bennell same same. Then there's Christensen, games played since 2011: 16, 16, 18, 8, 22, 11, 0. Good luck with that trio.
Quote from: DCAK on December 13, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
Well with Mitchell & Priddis retiring there are two spots up for grabs in the WC midfield, I'd say Ah Chee is a very good chance to grab one of them. I'd also say Redden will have a significant role to play in 2018, If I had bigger plums I'd start with him.
VenaGOAT gets one of those spots. Other spot could go to one of their new draftees. Someone like Duggan or Yeo could see a lot more midfield time.
Quote from: GoLions on December 14, 2017, 01:24:48 AM
Quote from: DCAK on December 13, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
Well with Mitchell & Priddis retiring there are two spots up for grabs in the WC midfield, I'd say Ah Chee is a very good chance to grab one of them. I'd also say Redden will have a significant role to play in 2018, If I had bigger plums I'd start with him.
VenaGOAT gets one of those spots. Other spot could go to one of their new draftees. Someone like Duggan or Yeo could see a lot more midfield time.
GL you got a lot of love for GOATS going on mate.
Quote from: crowls on December 14, 2017, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: GoLions on December 14, 2017, 01:24:48 AM
Quote from: DCAK on December 13, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 13, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
What the hell am I missing?
I'm seeing so many teams with Ah Chee in them
WTF? :o
Well with Mitchell & Priddis retiring there are two spots up for grabs in the WC midfield, I'd say Ah Chee is a very good chance to grab one of them. I'd also say Redden will have a significant role to play in 2018, If I had bigger plums I'd start with him.
VenaGOAT gets one of those spots. Other spot could go to one of their new draftees. Someone like Duggan or Yeo could see a lot more midfield time.
GL you got a lot of love for GOATS going on mate.
I don't make the rules
Yeo will play half back, I mean he is an All Australia defender. Yes he'll get mid time but he and Duggan will rotate imo. Duggan 70/30 will play on ball with Shuey + Sheed with Gaff on the wing. Venables isn't just gifted a spot. Plus apparently Ah Chee is impressing everyone on the track. He WAS drafted as a mid but couldn't crack it due to PA's abundance of mids. They acquired him for a reason, he won't just sit around. He'll get a fair crack in the guts for WCE. Do we all remember they've lost Mitchell and Priddis? The midfield looks super thin.
It's really only the one hole that needs filling. Last year Redden replaced Priddis in the middle about halfway through the year and Priddis spent more than normal amounts of time fwd. So if all fit and healthy the they only need to replace Mitchell
Shuey, Sheed, Redden, Hutchings with Yeo and maybe Duggan getting in there at times.
Ah Chee, Venables, Partington and other kids pushing to get time in there too.
Quote from: _wato on December 14, 2017, 01:08:12 PM
Yeo will play half back, I mean he is an All Australia defender. Yes he'll get mid time but he and Duggan will rotate imo. Duggan 70/30 will play on ball with Shuey + Sheed with Gaff on the wing. Venables isn't just gifted a spot. Plus apparently Ah Chee is impressing everyone on the track. He WAS drafted as a mid but couldn't crack it due to PA's abundance of mids. They acquired him for a reason, he won't just sit around. He'll get a fair crack in the guts for WCE. Do we all remember they've lost Mitchell and Priddis? The midfield looks super thin.
Agreed
thoughts on Daniher ? tempting for that price range
not missed a game in 3 years
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 17, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
thoughts on Daniher ? tempting for that price range
not missed a game in 3 years
Wish I could say there are better options available, unfortunately the FWD line is a bit of a shot in the dark this year.
I'd say he is as good an option as any really.
Quote from: SilverLion on December 17, 2017, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 17, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
thoughts on Daniher ? tempting for that price range
not missed a game in 3 years
Wish I could say there are better options available, unfortunately the FWD line is a bit of a shot in the dark this year.
I'd say he is as good an option as any really.
like all key fwds inconsistent scoring. may improve again and reduce his variability. valid option.
Quote from: crowls on December 17, 2017, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on December 17, 2017, 12:14:50 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 17, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
thoughts on Daniher ? tempting for that price range
not missed a game in 3 years
Wish I could say there are better options available, unfortunately the FWD line is a bit of a shot in the dark this year.
I'd say he is as good an option as any really.
like all key fwds inconsistent scoring. may improve again and reduce his variability. valid option.
He is becoming more relevant as the years go by he has all the skills to become the best forward in the comp , could be a sneaky pick this year
Connor Blakely even as a mid only?
Averaged 110 in his last 11 H&A games taking out his last game due to injury. Absolute tackle machine
Quote from: _wato on December 17, 2017, 04:53:44 PM
Connor Blakely even as a mid only?
Averaged 110 in his last 11 H&A games taking out his last game due to injury. Absolute tackle machine
Certainly considering him, just think that theres probably better options available in the mids. We'll be monitoring him closely.
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Not bad, needs more GOAT :P
Quote from: Gigantor on December 21, 2017, 06:34:02 PM
Not bad, needs more GOAT :P
Needs more ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZORKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Can Lyon fit anymore into the midfield?
Quote from: Peter on January 01, 2018, 04:03:32 PM
Can Lyon fit anymore into the midfield?
Fyfe, Neale
Blakely (More of a HBF imo though), Walters
Grey, S. Hill, B. Hill, Mundy (?)
Cerra, Brayshaw
How many more we talking? There mids don't seem too deep to me at least. Mundy and Walters rotating forward, Cerra/Brayshaw could come in which allows Blakely to roam at HB.
Well that’s 10, with rotations through HB and HF. Surely Freo should go ok with those guys
Quote from: Peter on January 01, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
Well that’s 10, with rotations through HB and HF. Surely Freo should go ok with those guys
Yup, I'm predicting they'll be pushing for the 8 along with the Saints and Dees.
Footy scribes have them bottom 6. I agree with you, 9-12, depending on development of forwards (never been Lyon’s strength, even at St Kilda). Watched 2010 GF replay over holidays - he had to swing Goddard and Gilbert forward to get some goals)
Quote from: Peter on January 02, 2018, 04:04:01 PM
Footy scribes have them bottom 6. I agree with you, 9-12, depending on development of forwards (never been Lyon’s strength, even at St Kilda). Watched 2010 GF replay over holidays - he had to swing Goddard and Gilbert forward to get some goals)
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What the F... either on some serious drugs or totally lost on the net :P
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There have been quite a few spammers coming up which we try to remove as soon as possible but only Admin can do it we report and delete posts where we moderate.
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Quote from: Ringo on January 26, 2018, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on January 26, 2018, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: shaker on January 26, 2018, 10:39:48 AM
What the F... either on some serious drugs or totally lost on the net :P
Yeah ikr, saw a post similar to that yesterday as well. We're under attack :o
There have been quite a few spammers coming up which we try to remove as soon as possible but only Admin can do it we report and delete posts where we moderate.
It was easy to see it was about online slots but in a foreign language maybe they do that to make people click on the links ? weird shower ha ha
+1 hah