With injuries? ::) :-\
You guys were very unlucky . . . again. I feel for Prismall especially as is there a chance that could be his last game? And yes you did put up a brave fight in the first half.
That said it was still a walloping and it was Collingwood v Essendon, not Collingwood v Gold Coast or Richmond so I'm not sure there should be satisifaction in such a big margin. We are lucky to be in the midst of a strong era but lets also not forget the Pies were without Dawes, Shaw, Wellingham, Thomas & Didak just to name a couple of B graders.
Watson will be huge next year if he can stay fit.
i think the margin would have been alot shorter if Prismall and Colyer didn't get injured.
We have bad records against rivals with ACL's
Watson - 2012 Brownlow Medallist??
The injuries were awful and the result probably wouldn't have been as bad if it weren't for them. But you have to agree, this was a real eye-opener as to where Essendon are really at! With ladder predictor, I have them finishing 8th, but I don't think they're of finals quality yet. Fortunately, for the Bombers, there are only really 7 teams in the competition right now worthy of playing finals football.
In a few years, if you can avoid injuries, you may be a chance.
What's the age of your list like?
Quote from: LaHug on August 01, 2011, 01:05:51 AM
The injuries were awful and the result probably wouldn't have been as bad if it weren't for them. But you have to agree, this was a real eye-opener as to where Essendon are really at! With ladder predictor, I have them finishing 8th, but I don't think they're of finals quality yet. Fortunately, for the Bombers, there are only really 7 teams in the competition right now worthy of playing finals football.
In a few years, if you can avoid injuries, you may be a chance.
What's the age of your list like?
I disagree with that... We were well & truly in it for the first half when we were already down 2 players & then we got smashed in the 2nd half with both Zaha & Hardingham being forced to play injured... So I don't get how it shows where we are really at... Most likely we would still have lost but by no where near as much & on top of that we were already missing Hurley, Pears, Fletcher, Hooker, Hibberd, Hocking, Lonergan, NLM & Winders & Dempsey from early in the year... that's just players who would be in or close to our top 22. If we get anymore injuries next week Hird & Goodwin will be pulling on the boots.
I'm with boomz- it looked like the bombers were in with a chance at first.
I wouldn't complain too much though- happens to every club now and again (aka, fremantle :P)
Quote from: Zarts on August 01, 2011, 04:54:15 AM
I'm with boomz- it looked like the bombers were in with a chance at first.
I wouldn't complain too much though- happens to every club now and again (aka, fremantle :P)
The LTI's are the one's that are hurting the most :( Winderlich might not have seemed to be playing amazing or anything but he was integral to our fwd set up... Dempsey was in great form before he went down too >:( Nothing we can do though but get on with it and hopefully find some good youngsters because of it ;D
I am still really mad as we were playing well :(
Now everyone is going to play cloke like Ryder did, and possibly ryder might be playing down there more often?
But how does 4 injuries reflect where we are at, I challenge you cruise to see what happens when there are 4 collingwood players injured on the one day. You would fade away too, as you had no injuries today so had the luxury of using your sub when you wanted. Ours was activated in the first 5 minutes.
Quote from: bomberboy0618 on August 01, 2011, 05:56:04 AM
I am still really mad as we were playing well :(
Now everyone is going to play cloke like Ryder did, and possibly ryder might be playing down there more often?
But how does 4 injuries reflect where we are at, I challenge you cruise to see what happens when there are 4 collingwood players injured on the one day. You would fade away too, as you had no injuries today so had the luxury of using your sub when you wanted. Ours was activated in the first 5 minutes.
4 injuries will hurt anyone on any given day the Pies included - the sub rule aims to assist with 1 inury which obviously isn't enough.
Personally I still thought at qtr time the Pies would win but I guess we'll never know the real impact. But in the end we did win, we remain top and our main objective is to get our list in shape for the finals. Essendon are trying to scrap together a team with many injuries and as I said 2012 will be an interesting year of development (and pressure). I still think you are 1 or 2 top line midfielders down (to join Watson) to edge into the top 4 or 5 next year.
Agree with Cruise.
Essendon really only dominated Collingwood for about 5 minutes in the first quarter. The rest of the first half was Essendon holding the Pies at bay, and taking oppurtunities (so many 50m+ goals!!), which no doubt they did well.
But like Cruise said, at quarter time, I still felt the Pies would win.
Alright, I admit it was a tad far to say that it's a real reflection of where you are really at, but most of the scoring against Collingwood was when they were playing really flat at the very start of the game and then some very flukey long-range goals! I just feel that Essendon supporters are overrating where the team is at this stage and I don't consider them near as good as the teams that are sure to make finals. I thought the 74 point thumping was a bit harsh (however, it's what Collingwood do - Richmond was keeping up with them until the 4th quarter earlier this year), but I don't believe there was ever a real chance that the Bombers would beat the Pies.
Quote from: LaHug on August 01, 2011, 04:19:05 PM
Alright, I admit it was a tad far to say that it's a real reflection of where you are really at, but most of the scoring against Collingwood was when they were playing really flat at the very start of the game and then some very flukey long-range goals! I just feel that Essendon supporters are overrating where the team is at this stage and I don't consider them near as good as the teams that are sure to make finals. I thought the 74 point thumping was a bit harsh (however, it's what Collingwood do - Richmond was keeping up with them until the 4th quarter earlier this year), but I don't believe there was ever a real chance that the Bombers would beat the Pies.
Any team would struggle without a dozen of tis best 22.
Very harsh to judge where we are at from this game IMHO.
Quote from: BOOMZ on August 01, 2011, 03:54:31 AM
Quote from: LaHug on August 01, 2011, 01:05:51 AM
The injuries were awful and the result probably wouldn't have been as bad if it weren't for them. But you have to agree, this was a real eye-opener as to where Essendon are really at! With ladder predictor, I have them finishing 8th, but I don't think they're of finals quality yet. Fortunately, for the Bombers, there are only really 7 teams in the competition right now worthy of playing finals football.
In a few years, if you can avoid injuries, you may be a chance.
What's the age of your list like?
I disagree with that... We were well & truly in it for the first half when we were already down 2 players & then we got smashed in the 2nd half with both Zaha & Hardingham being forced to play injured... So I don't get how it shows where we are really at... Most likely we would still have lost but by no where near as much & on top of that we were already missing Hurley, Pears, Fletcher, Hooker, Hibberd, Hocking, Lonergan, NLM & Winders & Dempsey from early in the year... that's just players who would be in or close to our top 22. If we get anymore injuries next week Hird & Goodwin will be pulling on the boots.
Surely that can't be a bad thing? ;)
When North played the Pies then THAT was a reflection of where we are at. I think that it is blatantly obvious that Essendon are not at the same level as Collingwood, yet.
We want goodwin to play, at least I do :D
Quote from: roo boys! on August 01, 2011, 05:19:03 PM
Quote from: BOOMZ on August 01, 2011, 03:54:31 AM
Quote from: LaHug on August 01, 2011, 01:05:51 AM
The injuries were awful and the result probably wouldn't have been as bad if it weren't for them. But you have to agree, this was a real eye-opener as to where Essendon are really at! With ladder predictor, I have them finishing 8th, but I don't think they're of finals quality yet. Fortunately, for the Bombers, there are only really 7 teams in the competition right now worthy of playing finals football.
In a few years, if you can avoid injuries, you may be a chance.
What's the age of your list like?
I disagree with that... We were well & truly in it for the first half when we were already down 2 players & then we got smashed in the 2nd half with both Zaha & Hardingham being forced to play injured... So I don't get how it shows where we are really at... Most likely we would still have lost but by no where near as much & on top of that we were already missing Hurley, Pears, Fletcher, Hooker, Hibberd, Hocking, Lonergan, NLM & Winders & Dempsey from early in the year... that's just players who would be in or close to our top 22. If we get anymore injuries next week Hird & Goodwin will be pulling on the boots.
Surely that can't be a bad thing? ;)
When North played the Pies then THAT was a reflection of where we are at. I think that it is blatantly obvious that Essendon are not at the same level as Collingwood, yet.
ANZAC Day we nearly showed them up :-X
In the context of a whole season, not just one game ;)
Even when the Pies were down 30 points it still had them at like $1.30 to win. ;)
Quote from: roo boys! on August 01, 2011, 07:08:52 PM
In the context of a whole season, not just one game ;)
Yeah easily. Consistency is our main issue besides injury.
Quote from: ossie85 on August 01, 2011, 01:59:43 PM
Agree with Cruise.
Essendon really only dominated Collingwood for about 5 minutes in the first quarter. The rest of the first half was Essendon holding the Pies at bay, and taking oppurtunities (so many 50m+ goals!!), which no doubt they did well.
But like Cruise said, at quarter time, I still felt the Pies would win.
So did I even before the injuries... but do u really think we would have laid down and died in the last quarter and a bit if we weren't 2 down & rotating another 2 injured? I highly doubt it.
You guys have been unlucky with injuries, but so have us (Hawthorn) and Freo so not too sympathetic.
We had a dodgy fixture with the Bye placing the no.1 factor (compared to every other team).
I guess we must move on now and focus on achieving what we can with the current (un-injured) lot, and then bring the other back up to speed when they are ready I guess :)
The team with the Round 24 bye is pointless unless your playing finals.
Wow!
The injury list that was released today tells us we have more injuries than any other club has had at one time all year...Yes Freo fans, we win ::)
18 people on the injury list.
Heath Hocking
General soreness (foot)Test
Heath is recovering from soreness in his foot, sustained from a previous injury. He is a reasonable chance to return this weekend but will face fitness tests to determine his availability for selection.
Quote
Michael Hibberd
Hamstring 1-2 weeks
Michael is recovering well after recently sustaining a hamstring injury. He will be monitored and reassessed in the next week.
Tayte Pears
Leg 2-3 weeks
Tayte is recovering well from a slight hairline fracture in his lower leg. He will miss the next two weeks but has commenced rehabilitation programs.
Michael Hurley
Foot Test
Michael is an outside chance to return this week after a stress reaction in his foot. He will be closely monitored by the club during the week to determine his availability for selection.
Darcy Daniher
Hip Indefinite
Darcy is recovering from recent groin and hip injuries. He is likely to miss the remainder of the season but is tracking well with his recovery and rehabilitation.
Nathan Lovett-Murray
Calf Test
Nathan is tracking well from a tight calf. He is a strong chance to return to the field this week, but will face fitness tests to determine his availability.
Cale Hooker
Hamstring 3 weeks
Cale has suffered a slight setback in his recovery, re-straining his hamstring. He is at least three weeks away and is undergoing extensive rehabilitation.
Andrew Welsh
Hamstring Test
Andrew is recovering well from a hamstring strain. He is a strong chance to return this week but will undergo testing to determine his availability for selection.
Scott Gumbleton
Back Test
Scott will face fitness tests later this week to determine his availability for selection. He is likely to make a return to the field via the Bendigo Bombers.
Dustin Fletcher
Leg Test
Dustin is progressing well after internal bleeding in his leg caused significant swelling in his ankles. He is a strong chance to return this week but will face fitness tests.
David Myers
Finger Test
David dislocated his finger and it was put back in place immediately during the game. He is most likely to be available this week.
David Zaharakis
Elbow Test
David has sustained a minor pain in his elbow and will have treatment during the week. He is very likely to be available for selection this week.
Courtenay Dempsey
Knee Season
Courtenay has undergone successful surgery to his ruptured ACL and has commenced his rehabilitation, including a specific weights program. Courtenay is placed on the Club's long term injury list.
Sam Lonergan
Knee Season
Sam has torn a grade three medial ligament in his knee. Sam has undergone successful surgery to his torn medial ligament and has now commenced his early rehabilitation. He will miss the remainder of the season.
Anthony Long
Hamstring Indefinite
Anthony tracking well with his rehabilitation and recovery regimes. He is likely to miss the rest of the season but is undergoing rehabilitation.
Jason Winderlich
Knee Season
Jason has undergone successful surgery to his ruptured ACL. He has commenced his rehabilitation and has recently resumed running. Jason is placed on the Club's long term injury list.
Brent Prismall
Knee TBC
Scans today have confirmed that Brent has ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee. He will see a surgeon tonight to determine the full extent of the injury.
Travis Colyer
Lower leg TBC
Travis has sustained significant damage to his lower leg and ankle. Scans have revealed he has also strained the medial ligament in his knee.
I don't think you win... at some point in the season freo only had a squad of 24 to choose their best 22 from due to injuries...
they probably have less listed players, we have more players to pick, but we have more on the injury list than they did.
Quote from: Zarts on August 04, 2011, 02:47:44 PM
I don't think you win... at some point in the season freo only had a squad of 24 to choose their best 22 from due to injuries...
Might be because we can pick rookies due to more season ending injuries/people on the LTI list?
Quote from: Sid on August 04, 2011, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: Zarts on August 04, 2011, 02:47:44 PM
I don't think you win... at some point in the season freo only had a squad of 24 to choose their best 22 from due to injuries...
Might be because we can pick rookies due to more season ending injuries/people on the LTI list?
and if you look through that list, there is about 14-15 of our best 22.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 04, 2011, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Sid on August 04, 2011, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: Zarts on August 04, 2011, 02:47:44 PM
I don't think you win... at some point in the season freo only had a squad of 24 to choose their best 22 from due to injuries...
Might be because we can pick rookies due to more season ending injuries/people on the LTI list?
and if you look through that list, there is about 14-15 of our best 22.
Confirmed it now. People who are on the senior list and absent form the injury list: 22.
I think we win ;) The other 4 or so are obviously rookies available for selection due to players on the LTI list.
In: Dustin Fletcher, Heath Hocking, Michael Hurley
WOW 0.o
Hurley and Fletch in means we aren't keeping Ryder down back, Bellchambers, the only ommision.
I wouldn't play Hurley if I were them...but oh well....
i know, but he must be fine to play, otherwise Bellchambers would still be playing.
Hurley shouldn't be playing. A FOOT injury that could develop into another which has ended careers.
Just bloody stupid.
Quote from: Sid on August 04, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
Hurley shouldn't be playing. A FOOT injury that could develop into another which has ended careers.
Just bloody stupid.
Really doubt he will play. Late withdrawal beckons.
Quote from: BOOMZ on August 04, 2011, 06:28:56 PM
Quote from: Sid on August 04, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
Hurley shouldn't be playing. A FOOT injury that could develop into another which has ended careers.
Just bloody stupid.
Really doubt he will play. Late withdrawal beckons.
You'd hope so.
Tbell likely to come in after not playing in the 2nd half for bendigo. I'd say Hurley or Hocking have failed a fitness test...
i say nothing.
ZOMG!!! a match without injuries 0.o
Hurley looked to be moving fine last night he was either on a LOT of pain meds (I think not) or he is fine. Hopefully the latter
*happy dance
his a week by week prospect Michael.
and Pears might play next week :O
doubt it though.
Injuries has been a big downfall in our season this year. I honestly thought we could be a top 4-6 side. Young talent coming through is exciting. Heppell, Hurley, Ryder, Gumbleton, Crameri, Carlilse, Hooker, Pears, Bellchambers. Our Veterans are firing Fletcher, Watson, Hille, McVeigh, Welsh, Dyson. Its going to be an exciting next few years at Windy Hill :D What are the odds of us bringing in John Butcher?
Quote from: Davey_4_PM on August 08, 2011, 08:31:15 PM
Injuries has been a big downfall in our season this year. I honestly thought we could be a top 4-6 side. Young talent coming through is exciting. Heppell, Hurley, Ryder, Gumbleton, Crameri, Carlilse, Hooker, Pears, Bellchambers. Our Veterans are firing Fletcher, Watson, Hille, McVeigh, Welsh, Dyson. Its going to be an exciting next few years at Windy Hill :D What are the odds of us bringing in John Butcher?
Butcher is from my area. (used to watch him play seniors)
He is a spud. Scott Gumbleton 2.0. Great mark, but is a shower kick for goal. Kicked 1.7 in the country league grand final!
Conditions were perfect aswell.
Butcher is from my area. (used to watch him play seniors)
He is a spud. Scott Gumbleton 2.0. Great mark, but is a shower kick for goal. Kicked 1.7 in the country league grand final!
Conditions were perfect aswell.
Haha well maybe not then... But i really think we do also need someone to help Jobe out in the middle? But who? :(
Butcher can't even get a game at Port! how's he going to play at essendon?
ur list is nothing compared to any of the teams in the top 5
ur a top 8 team at best rite now still few yrs of top 4 wen your young players mature..but fletch will be gone :P (or will he ::) )