Oh hey guys, don't mind me, just gonna pop this in right here. Enjoy ;)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hawthorn-inquires-about-richmond-skipper-trent-cotchins-contract-status-with-buddy-money-in-mind/story-fni5f8ge-1226964217933
;D
Lol I could imagin dusty leaving after he's already almost gone once before but wouldn't of thought a captain is gonna leave their club
lol if Cotchin leaves and Fyfe stays at Freo ;D
I'd hate Trent Cotchin and the Hawthorn football club eternally if this eventuated.
Quote from: quinny88 on June 24, 2014, 04:07:37 AM
Lol I could imagin dusty leaving after he's already almost gone once before but wouldn't of thought a captain is gonna leave their club
Pretty sure Chris Judd did from Eagles to Carlton @ end of 2007
I think it would be unlikely, but typical Richmond if it did happen :P
Dusty comes out of contract again at the end of next season though so would have thought he would be a more likely target or would be more likely to go
Yes Judd moved but plenty of that was shady under the table sort of stuff.
Cotchin won't go, Hawthorn don't have "Buddy money" to spend because then they would've actually tried to keep Franklin lol.
Quote from: Toga on June 24, 2014, 11:44:33 AM
I think it would be unlikely, but typical Richmond if it did happen :P
Haha this, but it's unlikely.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 11:45:40 AM
Yes Judd moved but plenty of that was shady under the table sort of stuff.
Cotchin won't go, Hawthorn don't have "Buddy money" to spend because then they would've actually tried to keep Franklin lol.
We did give him several contract offers, it's just that when you have to match a 9 year, $10million deal you have something different in your hands. Not much that does not mean not trying to keep Franklin, nor does it mean we don't have cap space.
Quote from: Scrads on June 24, 2014, 12:14:14 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 11:45:40 AM
Yes Judd moved but plenty of that was shady under the table sort of stuff.
Cotchin won't go, Hawthorn don't have "Buddy money" to spend because then they would've actually tried to keep Franklin lol.
We did give him several contract offers, it's just that when you have to match a 9 year, $10million deal you have something different in your hands. Not much that does not mean not trying to keep Franklin, nor does it mean we don't have cap space.
Yes I realise that, but are you going to offer 750k+ a year for a midfielder who's kicking efficiency is well outside the top 50 players in the AFL?
You're also forgetting that Richmond also have plenty of money to spend, so Hawthorn will need to be offering upwards towards 900k to a million per year for Cotchin.
Hawthorn does not have cap space for that
Cotchin isnt worth the cash. Reckon the hawks would be better chasing Shiel and Frawley. Who they could probably get for just a little more than Cotchin will want to leave the tigers.
To be fair, Cotchin is 23 and is not even in his prime.
He is a bad kick but he is still a gun.
Would not pay 750k+ though.
Cotch would be amazing at a better club, such as Hawthorn as they would be able to get the best out of him. If I were them I'd chuck as much money as possible to get him there.
I wouldn't want to see Cotch go, obviously and I think he will stay. I'm more worried Dusty will leave then Cotch will
Quote from: nas on June 24, 2014, 09:23:59 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 24, 2014, 04:07:37 AM
Lol I could imagin dusty leaving after he's already almost gone once before but wouldn't of thought a captain is gonna leave their club
Pretty sure Chris Judd did from Eagles to Carlton @ end of 2007
To move home and for over a million a year plus some made up job with visy for another million a year lol
Not sure why Cotchin is copping it for his DE. 65% isn't that bad for a gun midfielder. It's similar to Priddis, Rockliff, DSwallow, Ball, DBeams, Barlow, Treloar, Shiels, Parker, Fyfe, Heppell, etc. and better than guys like Mundy, SJ, Swan, Dangerfield, Wingard, Judd, etc.
He has already shown he has the ability to be elite and will be worth big bucks
Quote from: quinny88 on June 24, 2014, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: nas on June 24, 2014, 09:23:59 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on June 24, 2014, 04:07:37 AM
Lol I could imagin dusty leaving after he's already almost gone once before but wouldn't of thought a captain is gonna leave their club
Pretty sure Chris Judd did from Eagles to Carlton @ end of 2007
To move home and for over a million a year plus some made up job with visy for another million a year lol
i think a lot of his move was also due to the extra negative attention the club was getting thanks to Cousins, Gardiner etc as well and he just didnt want to be involved in that
Quote from: Ricochet on June 24, 2014, 01:59:14 PM
Not sure why Cotchin is copping it for his DE. 65% isn't that bad for a gun midfielder. It's similar to Priddis, Rockliff, DSwallow, Ball, DBeams, Barlow, Treloar, Shiels, Parker, Fyfe, Heppell, etc. and better than guys like Mundy, SJ, Swan, Dangerfield, Wingard, Judd, etc.
He has already shown he has the ability to be elite and will be worth big bucks
Everyone has such lofty standards of him and the Richmond footy club after what we showed in 2013. Doing so badly, we're (he is) easy to pick on.
Well the hawks wanted ROk the other year, dont know if Cotch will leave though.
This will kill the Tiges if Cotchin leaves
Yep if Cotchin leaves, it will ruin them.
I wonder if the HAwks talked to Gibbs before he re-signed
Without doubt. Most clubs would have
Bryce Gibbs: "I wanted to deal with Carlton and Carlton only". <3
Quote from: Vinny on June 24, 2014, 02:56:20 PM
Bryce Gibbs: "I wanted to deal with Carlton and Carlton only". <3
That's it, and he re signed for 5 years and probably never really considered leaving.
It's the medias job to write stories and speculate. It generates discussion and sells papers.
So far all has been said is that Hawthorn have contacted Cotchins management. I can garuntee there will be a lot of other clubs doing the same thing. Why wouldn't ya?
But realistically, he is still contracted till the end of 2015, hasn't even said he's "putting contract talks in hold" and is the captain of the club.
Without knowing him he seems like he bleeds yellow and black and it would take a buddy like deal to actually get him to even consider moving. Storm in a tea cup. He will the captain for the next 10 years.
Yeah I agree, the media will always try create speculation. Gibbs probably was never going to leave but obviously clubs would have chased up and looked at him seeing his a free agent. Sanderson says he wants Gibbs at Adelaide and then every thinks he is going to Adelaide straight away, haha. Again another example about the media turning something into something it is not.
Cotchin won't go anywhere, think the Judd situation was very different considering what he was offered, plus the third party deal. Can't imagine Cotch ditching his club when they are somewhat in crisis, especially as skipper. In saying this, other clubs who have money would be crazy not to attempt at getting him even if the chance is small.
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
And if we have the salary cap room we're supposed to have, we'll offer him something like that right back.
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
I'm pretty sure 90% of clubs wouldn't even entertain the thought of an 8 year deal
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
Like I said, that's what it would take to even get his attention. Then he would have to ditch the club he's the captain of. Won't happen in a million years. He's just not that sort of bloke
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
I'm pretty sure 90% of clubs wouldn't even entertain the thought of an 8 year deal
Except Sydney #speshspesh
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
I'm pretty sure 90% of clubs wouldn't even entertain the thought of an 8 year deal
why not? he's still young makes much more sense then the Buddy deal
Quote from: elephants on June 24, 2014, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
I'm pretty sure 90% of clubs wouldn't even entertain the thought of an 8 year deal
Except Sydney #speshspesh
Haha.
There's actually been some talk of Fyfe going to Sydney :o
I know it's very unlikely to happen, but would be pretty funny as it would piss off heaps of people.
If Cotch was offered a "Buddy" deal, then he'd certainly have to consider it.
Will be signed in a long term contract before it even gets to that. Watch this space
http://titusoreily.com/hawthorns-pitch-trent-cotchin/
Hawthorn's pitch to Trent Cotchin
Dear Trent,
The Hawthorn Football Club is interested in acquiring your services through free agency.
We've heard that you are, somewhat bizarrely, loyal to your current club, but we believe we can offer you a very appealing offer.
Our offer is based around the following:
- Lots of money
- A chance of winning a Premiership in your lifetime
- General competency
- Coaching
- Not Richmond
We have a heap of money left over cause that Buddy guy left for Sydney to hang out with his girlfriend.
Therefore, we are keen to give you a fair bit of this money, which you can then exchange for a range of goods and services.
Do you like winning Premierships? It's probably something you've never even considered being at Richmond, but with us it could actually happen.
Winning a Premiership is amazing. It's feels like when you throw a piece of paper across the room and land it straight in the bin, times a million.
We are also competent at running a football club. We have money, facilities and people who know what they're doing. We believe you would really come to appreciate this once you experience it.
Our coaching staff is second to none. Even when our senior coach gets sick, the work experience kid can step in and win.
Even he knows how to make tactical adjustments during a game to ensure victory, something you're probably not used to at Richmond.
Lastly, we are not Richmond.
We think this is a pretty convincing offer. The only downside is you will have to wear a lot of brown and there's a good chance you'll meet Jeff Kennett.
Looking forward to your response.
Regards
Chris Fagan - General Manager - Football Operations
Quote from: elephants on June 24, 2014, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
I'm pretty sure 90% of clubs wouldn't even entertain the thought of an 8 year deal
Except Sydney #speshspesh
We can't help it if we're 9.8% better than the rest
Hahaha that's so good, classic stuff from them.
Quote from: Ricochet on June 24, 2014, 04:35:35 PM
Winning a Premiership is amazing. It's feels like when you throw a piece of paper across the room and land it straight in the bin, times a million.
Hahahahahaha best part
Quote from: GoLions16 on June 24, 2014, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on June 24, 2014, 04:35:35 PM
Winning a Premiership is amazing. It's feels like when you throw a piece of paper across the room and land it straight in the bin, times a million.
Hahahahahaha best part
hahahaha yep nailed it
Quote from: Ricochet on June 24, 2014, 04:35:35 PM
http://titusoreily.com/hawthorns-pitch-trent-cotchin/
Hawthorn's pitch to Trent Cotchin
Dear Trent,
The Hawthorn Football Club is interested in acquiring your services through free agency.
We've heard that you are, somewhat bizarrely, loyal to your current club, but we believe we can offer you a very appealing offer.
Our offer is based around the following:
- Lots of money
- A chance of winning a Premiership in your lifetime
- General competency
- Coaching
- Not Richmond
We have a heap of money left over cause that Buddy guy left for Sydney to hang out with his girlfriend.
Therefore, we are keen to give you a fair bit of this money, which you can then exchange for a range of goods and services.
Do you like winning Premierships? It's probably something you've never even considered being at Richmond, but with us it could actually happen.
Winning a Premiership is amazing. It's feels like when you throw a piece of paper across the room and land it straight in the bin, times a million.
We are also competent at running a football club. We have money, facilities and people who know what they're doing. We believe you would really come to appreciate this once you experience it.
Our coaching staff is second to none. Even when our senior coach gets sick, the work experience kid can step in and win.
Even he knows how to make tactical adjustments during a game to ensure victory, something you're probably not used to at Richmond.
Lastly, we are not Richmond.
We think this is a pretty convincing offer. The only downside is you will have to wear a lot of brown and there's a good chance you'll meet Jeff Kennett.
Looking forward to your response.
Regards
Chris Fagan - General Manager - Football Operations
P.s we should also mention that by the time you get here in 2016, Hodge, Burgoyne, Mitchell, Lake, Sewell, Hale, Gibson and probably some other premiership stars will be retired or on the way out and we will have stopped winning premierships and be a middle of the table club... All though that's still probably a better prospect than playing for Richmond :P
The salary cap next year for each club increases from $9.63m to $9.92m next year so Hawthorn have the cash left over from not keeping Buddy (which I believe is a lot) plus another nearly $300k on top of that.
Hawthorn could easily ATM afford to offer Cotchin, or a Fyfe/Dangerfield about $1m a season for a long period and fit the deal into the salary cap.
They will definitely be aggressive in getting a big fish in the midfield and don't be surprised if they get one.
Yes he should definitely leave.
Though a lot of good players from Hawthorn will retire in the next couple of years they have ready made replacements for nearly everyone of them.
Plus imagine getting the ball running down the pitch looking up and not having Vickery and Hampson as forward options. That should put a huge smile on his face.
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 04:36:23 PM
Quote from: elephants on June 24, 2014, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: Mailman the 2nd on June 24, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on June 24, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
most clubs would be happy to offer a Buddy type deal like around 900k a year for about 8 years
I'm pretty sure 90% of clubs wouldn't even entertain the thought of an 8 year deal
Except Sydney #speshspesh
We can't help it if we're 9.8% better than the rest
Lol, there is so much wrong with that statement ;)
For anyone who was curious :P
(http://i.imgur.com/zM6bccg.jpg)
You forgot the premiership medal
Doesn't look right.
Looks better than Fyfe in yellow and black ;)
Quote from: Ricochet on June 24, 2014, 10:30:22 PM
Looks better than Fyfe in yellow and black ;)
Absolute poppycock. :o
Looks good I reckon, c'mon Cotch, go to Hawks win a flag and not be depressed. :P
nah I don't reckon it suits him. Saints jumper would do the job for sure
Needs a clause that in club hairdresser Duryea will be his dog.
Looks soooooo good tbh :P
For the record guys, I don't actually believe Cotchin would come to Hawthorn (or even consider leaving Richmond at all for that matter). I mainly posted the article just to stir the natives ;)
Quote from: Scrads on June 24, 2014, 11:48:22 PM
I mainly post the just to stir the natives ;)
This is me on the majority of boards bar Carlton's. :P
Should do it but why the Hawks? They suck! Maybe a Geelong, Collingwood, GOLD COAST :o
can seriously see this happening though, at what stage does the AFL stop a "Buddy" going to an already dominant Sydney, Hawthorn ect ..... or is it all fair game? If it is all fair game which it is, then the AFL have failed and it's all Dumbetriou's fault, again!
Just have to think what becomes of the poor Victorian clubs, superstars keep leaving for the heavyweights? hmmmm
Hasent quite happened yet but, free agency has only just begun
it's a scary thought tbag that's for sure. do we end up like the EPL?
Man, if we end up like soccer where all that matters is money, 0 loyalty, that'd suck balls.
It's never going to go down the path of the EPL because:
1) AFL has a salary cap for a reason. There are no money juggernauts in that regard (apart from Carlton)
2) If you want to go crazy and pay a player 1mill per year for 5+ years you have to clean out a good 4-5 players on decent money off your list.
Quote from: tbagrocks on June 25, 2014, 12:26:15 AM
Should do it but why the Hawks? They suck! Maybe a Geelong, Collingwood, GOLD COAST :o
can seriously see this happening though, at what stage does the AFL stop a "Buddy" going to an already dominant Sydney, Hawthorn ect ..... or is it all fair game? If it is all fair game which it is, then the AFL have failed and it's all Dumbetriou's fault, again!
Just have to think what becomes of the poor Victorian clubs, superstars keep leaving for the heavyweights? hmmmm
Hasent quite happened yet but, free agency has only just begun
Richmond is far from a "poor Victorian club"
Teams would do well to look at what Port have been able to achieve through the recruitment of White, Polec and Hombsch.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 01:40:20 AM
Teams would do well to look at what Port have been able to achieve through the recruitment of White, Polec and Hombsch.
Teams would do well to look at what Hawks have been able to achieve through the recruitment of Gibson, Hale, Gunston, Burgoyne, Lake and McEvoy ;)
Quote from: Scrads on June 25, 2014, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 01:40:20 AM
Teams would do well to look at what Port have been able to achieve through the recruitment of White, Polec and Hombsch.
Teams would do well to look at what Hawks have been able to achieve through the recruitment of Gibson, Hale, Gunston, Burgoyne, Lake and McEvoy ;)
We can't expect other teams to compete with that. :P
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 02:16:58 AM
Quote from: Scrads on June 25, 2014, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 01:40:20 AM
Teams would do well to look at what Port have been able to achieve through the recruitment of White, Polec and Hombsch.
Teams would do well to look at what Hawks have been able to achieve through the recruitment of Gibson, Hale, Gunston, Burgoyne, Lake and McEvoy ;)
We can't expect other teams to compete with that. :P
Almost forgot Anderson ;) oh, and Cheney ;) And the recycled acquisitions through through the draft Spangher and Ceglar ;)
Poppy...
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 02:51:00 AM
Poppy...
Was he ever affiliated with another club? If we are going down that path however then we can include Isaac Smith and Ben Stratton ;)
Quote from: Scrads on June 25, 2014, 02:25:46 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 02:16:58 AM
Quote from: Scrads on June 25, 2014, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 01:40:20 AM
Teams would do well to look at what Port have been able to achieve through the recruitment of White, Polec and Hombsch.
Teams would do well to look at what Hawks have been able to achieve through the recruitment of Gibson, Hale, Gunston, Burgoyne, Lake and McEvoy ;)
We can't expect other teams to compete with that. :P
Almost forgot Anderson ;) oh, and Cheney ;) And the recycled acquisitions through through the draft Spangher and Ceglar ;)
Wait why is drafting Cheney a good thing?
Quote from: Scrads on June 25, 2014, 03:40:18 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 02:51:00 AM
Poppy...
Was he ever affiliated with another club? If we are going down that path however then we can include Isaac Smith and Ben Stratton ;)
Yea the second greatest club of all! Youuuu Legggggggsssss!
Quote from: Noz on June 25, 2014, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Scrads on June 25, 2014, 02:25:46 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 02:16:58 AM
Quote from: Scrads on June 25, 2014, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on June 25, 2014, 01:40:20 AM
Teams would do well to look at what Port have been able to achieve through the recruitment of White, Polec and Hombsch.
Teams would do well to look at what Hawks have been able to achieve through the recruitment of Gibson, Hale, Gunston, Burgoyne, Lake and McEvoy ;)
We can't expect other teams to compete with that. :P
Almost forgot Anderson ;) oh, and Cheney ;) And the recycled acquisitions through through the draft Spangher and Ceglar ;)
Wait why is drafting Cheney a good thing?
Solid back up defender mate. Not putting him on the same level as the others mentioned but he was still a handy pick up.