Awesome to be in another prelim. 8) Some thoughts from the Geelong game...
Cegs didn't have the best of games, I think Big Boy might be a sniff to get in if he fires again for Box Hill next week.
Simpkin isn't the right sub in my opinion. I know he has experience on his side, but he just gets caught so often and has to rush his decisions because of his lack of pace.
I'm hoping Duryea holds his spot, you can't fault his endeavour, he's like our backline Poppy.
Cyril is such a tough one. It's impossible to not pick him if he's fit but it could just as easily backfire. :-\ Maybe he could come in as the sub at the expense of Simpkin...?
Yeah was thinking that about Cyril, with the amount of games hes missed i think his biggest impact could be as sub. Of course though there's always the risk of the early injury. Youd think suckling would be fit to come back in, but not sure who for.
I'd imagine Cyril would be a UNREAL sub to come on late in the third.
Yep was thinking Cyril for Simpkin and then play both Cegs and Big Boy for Box Hill next week and give whoever plays better the spot in the prelim.
Also think Duryea made it very hard for Suckling to get back in after a cracker last night.
Although might make way for Shoey in the gf if we play Sydneys talls.
Game has been confirmed for the Saturday.
VFL team Williamstown is heading to the AFL Victoria Appeals Board tonight, to make sure that Hawthorn ruckman Ben McEvoy does not play in this week's preliminary final match.
McEvoy played a big part in Box Hill's win over ladder leaders Port Melbourne in week one.
The rules state that AFL listed players must play six or more VFL games unless granted permission. McEvoy, as well as Ryan Schoenmakers have both played five and were granted permission by the VFL to play.
Williamstown can eat a dick!
Hawthorn still being in the finals should be enough of a reason to allow them to play, as they would want the chance to try and win themselves a spot. It would be totally different if they were Essendon players for example, where really they would only be playing for the sake of playing in a VFL flag side if they could.
Port aye? Going to be a corker.
Last time we played in the final I was at the game and it was a thriller - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnGBiNpoMy4
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 01:21:43 PM
VFL team Williamstown is heading to the AFL Victoria Appeals Board tonight, to make sure that Hawthorn ruckman Ben McEvoy does not play in this week's preliminary final match.
McEvoy played a big part in Box Hill's win over ladder leaders Port Melbourne in week one.
The rules state that AFL listed players must play six or more VFL games unless granted permission. McEvoy, as well as Ryan Schoenmakers have both played five and were granted permission by the VFL to play.
I can see why williamstown is contesting it.
That being said, the appeals board is going to be like- the AFL finals series is more important. STFU.
Which is completely fair as well :P
They lost the appeal. Game is being played right now. Williamstown up by a point.
Scores level with a few minutes to go.
Big Boy has played a ripper
Got up by 7 and Paige had a dummy spit on Twitter. What a sook.
Who?
Big Boy was best on in the 2nd half, he just dominated. Meese did a good job in the 1st quarter of nullifying him in the ruck but Big Boy started to rack it up around the ground. Marcon was best on for Williamstown in the first 3 quarters but was unsighted late.
Another example of why the 'stand alone' clubs struggle.
Go Hawks though. (And Dolphins)
Do you guys see this as a good preparation, or are you genuinely worried
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Do you guys see this as a good preparation, or are you genuinely worried" Serious question guys not trolling believe me
Stuffed that up lol
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Do you guys see this as a good preparation, or are you genuinely worried
Both.
Quote from: Dudge on September 14, 2014, 08:26:32 PM
Do you guys see this as a good preparation, or are you genuinely worried
Do you mean having the week off? I'd much rather have a week off than have to travel to Perth that's for sure ;)
As far as the game goes Port's game plan off quickly attacking down the middle is the type that can break open our defensive structures as Geelong has in the past. Like to think our finals experience and our own game plan will get the job done though, but certainly not pencilling in the win yet ;)
Got my ticket today ready for a road trip......... with a bunch of port supporters.
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 16, 2014, 12:00:50 AM
Got my ticket today ready for a road trip......... with a bunch of port supporters.
Nice, did it two years ago with the crows prelim. Very enjoyable :)
interested to see how many rucks they take in i think they are better off just playing one especially with how quick Port are
play McEvoy and Roughy can do relief work
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2014, 02:55:57 AM
interested to see how many rucks they take in i think they are better off just playing one especially with how quick Port are
play McEvoy and Roughy can do relief work
I would put my house on that not happening, IF they were to decide to only go in with one specialist ruck, they wouldn't drop the two that were both currently in the team!
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 16, 2014, 12:00:50 AM
Got my ticket today ready for a road trip......... with a bunch of port supporters.
Got offered the same thing but I've already been to Melbs twice this year so I can't justify the cost. That plus I still haven't been able to shake the damn flu. :(
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Quote from: kilbluff1985 on September 16, 2014, 02:55:57 AM
interested to see how many rucks they take in i think they are better off just playing one especially with how quick Port are
play McEvoy and Roughy can do relief work
I would put my house on that not happening, IF they were to decide to only go in with one specialist ruck, they wouldn't drop the two that were both currently in the team!
Yeah, they will definitely go in with 2 rucks. Probably Hale + either McEvoy/Ceglar. Probably sub one of them if there are no injuries.
Will also be at the game, won't be as far a journey for me though lol. Really looking forward to it, a bit nervous. I don't think having the week off will be such a huge benefit against port as it may have been against freo, given their outstanding fitness.
Chad thrives on massive games. Chad to kick 3 goals plus the match winner with 20 seconds to go.
Quote from: Noz on September 16, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Chad thrives on massive games. Chad to kick 3 goals plus the match winner with 20 seconds to go.
What a strange way to spell Gunston.
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Chad thrives on massive games. Chad to kick 3 goals plus the match winner with 20 seconds to go.
What a strange way to spell Gunston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM)
Thrives under pressure, does he? :P
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Quote from: Noz on September 16, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Chad thrives on massive games. Chad to kick 3 goals plus the match winner with 20 seconds to go.
What a strange way to spell Gunston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM)
Thrives under pressure, does he? :P
I can't believe there's a specific youtube video just for this ??? ::)
Hawks by plenty.
Will remind everyone the reason why they are the best 2nd best team in the comp :P
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Quote from: Noz on September 16, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Chad thrives on massive games. Chad to kick 3 goals plus the match winner with 20 seconds to go.
What a strange way to spell Gunston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM)
Thrives under pressure, does he? :P
I can't believe there's a specific youtube video just for this ??? ::)
Gunston kicks it = Franklin stays a Hawk
Gunston misses = Franklins a Swan
Quote from: Noz on September 17, 2014, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: Rusty00 on September 17, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: My Chumps on September 17, 2014, 03:59:01 PM
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Quote from: Noz on September 16, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Chad thrives on massive games. Chad to kick 3 goals plus the match winner with 20 seconds to go.
What a strange way to spell Gunston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouV3YMce-rM)
Thrives under pressure, does he? :P
I can't believe there's a specific youtube video just for this ??? ::)
Gunston kicks it = Franklin stays a Hawk
Gunston misses = Franklins a Swan
???
Batshower logic, lol
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 17, 2014, 02:17:04 AM
Quote from: Noz on September 16, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
Chad thrives on massive games. Chad to kick 3 goals plus the match winner with 20 seconds to go.
What a strange way to spell Gunston.
Both strange ways to spell Schoenmakers....
What the flower Hawthorn? We drop one of our hardest players for one of our softest? Are we aware it's a final?
Not happy.
Comparing our round 10 side which lost to Port by 14 points with our currently named PF side looks like:
In: Gibson, Mitchell, Roughead, Lake, Spangher
Out: Schoey, McEvoy, Hartung, Hallahan, Sewell
And for a fair comparison, here are the Port changes:
In: Neade, Jonas, O'Shea, Moore
Out: Impey, Cassisi, K.Mitchell, Young
I reckon there's 14 points worth right there.
Maybe a little more. ;)
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 18, 2014, 07:29:36 PM
I reckon there's 14 points worth right there.
Maybe a little more. ;)
There's also the MCG v AO factor. And also the week off v the trip to Perth.
flower I am going to be so mad if we lose.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 18, 2014, 07:11:46 PM
What the flower Hawthorn? We drop one of our hardest players for one of our softest? Are we aware it's a final?
Not happy.
Think Hawks are genuinely worried by Port's outside leg speed, hence why they dropped Sewell - Although, PA will have a very serious advantage in the contested ball around the ground with Lewis (10.5), Mitchell (9.9) Langford (10) the only three around 10 cp's per game with PA led by Boak (12.4), Wines (12) and Robbie Gray (11.7) among others. Sewell had to be dropped I think, was playing a half forward role last week and that's not his best role.
Safe to say this will be a more entertaining contest than last night.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
Safe to say this will be a more entertaining contest than last night.
Really hope so, we have had a great finals series, last nights game was a bit of a blowout but the rest have been pretty good games.
Quote from: Grazz on September 20, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
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Safe to say this will be a more entertaining contest than last night.
Really hope so, we have had a great finals series, last nights game was a bit of a blowout but the rest have been pretty good games.
I have also erased the Port vs Tigers game from my memory.
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Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
Safe to say this will be a more entertaining contest than last night.
Really hope so, we have had a great finals series, last nights game was a bit of a blowout but the rest have been pretty good games.
I have also erased the Port vs Tigers game from my memory.
Yep that one also not so great, i had kinda forgotten about it also.
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Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
Safe to say this will be a more entertaining contest than last night.
Really hope so, we have had a great finals series, last nights game was a bit of a blowout but the rest have been pretty good games.
I have also erased the Port vs Tigers game from my memory.
Yep that one also not so great, i had kinda forgotten about it also.
It was Port's fault for kicking 2121379213 first quarter goals. If they had kicked only say 4 goals in the first, it could have been a ripper. :P
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Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
Safe to say this will be a more entertaining contest than last night.
Really hope so, we have had a great finals series, last nights game was a bit of a blowout but the rest have been pretty good games.
I have also erased the Port vs Tigers game from my memory.
Yep that one also not so great, i had kinda forgotten about it also.
It was Port's fault for kicking 2121379213 first quarter goals. If they had kicked only say 4 goals in the first, it could have been a ripper. :P
Or even if Cotchin had kicked with the wind :P
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Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
Safe to say this will be a more entertaining contest than last night.
Really hope so, we have had a great finals series, last nights game was a bit of a blowout but the rest have been pretty good games.
I have also erased the Port vs Tigers game from my memory.
Yep that one also not so great, i had kinda forgotten about it also.
It was Port's fault for kicking 2121379213 first quarter goals. If they had kicked only say 4 goals in the first, it could have been a ripper. :P
Or even if Cotchin had kicked with the wind :P
Oi, a lot of people have come out and defended Cotch's decision. Include Kenny Hinkley! ;)
Quote from: _wato on September 18, 2014, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 18, 2014, 07:11:46 PM
What the flower Hawthorn? We drop one of our hardest players for one of our softest? Are we aware it's a final?
Not happy.
Think Hawks are genuinely worried by Port's outside leg speed, hence why they dropped Sewell - Although, PA will have a very serious advantage in the contested ball around the ground with Lewis (10.5), Mitchell (9.9) Langford (10) the only three around 10 cp's per game with PA led by Boak (12.4), Wines (12) and Robbie Gray (11.7) among others. Sewell had to be dropped I think, was playing a half forward role last week and that's not his best role.
Yep completely agree, their leg speed is our biggest danger. With sewell playing, as well as hodge, mitchell and lewis who are all a bit one-paced, there was a greater danger of being exposed. Suckling gives us a greater balance in that respect. We should be able to beat the power for hardness without sewell playing. If we do win though, he may come back, is a very interesting question, let's focus on winning today first.
I'm going to the ground in a couple of hours, really looking forward to it :)
Not kicking with the wind was a mistake no two ways about it. Win the toss kick with the wind its a given thats what should happen.
I think those that are defending Cotch are just trying to limit the flack, it was and always will be a mistake. Your on your opponents home deck in a final you have a chance to kick with the wind get off to a good start, silence the crowd possibly and you dont take it,
thats a flower up.
People should lay off Cotchin, kicking the other way was not a 10-goal decision.
Flower I can't handle today, less than 2 hours just hurry up game :(
Have this sneaky feeling Hartung might be a late in hey!
Quote from: Scrads on September 20, 2014, 03:02:51 PM
People should lay off Cotchin, kicking the other way was not a 10-goal decision.
Flower I can't handle today, less than 2 hours just hurry up game :(
Have this sneaky feeling Hartung might be a late in hey!
For who?
Quote from: Scrads on September 20, 2014, 03:02:51 PM
People should lay off Cotchin, kicking the other way was not a 10-goal decision.
Flower I can't handle today, less than 2 hours just hurry up game :(
Have this sneaky feeling Hartung might be a late in hey!
Mate i know several people that were at the game and to a man they say there was a 4-5 goal breeze, you win the toss you kick with the wind, even J Brown said it. Cotch got it wrong.
;D ;D ;D
Don't want to bring the vibe down but I'm a little ticked off at Brad Hill.
He butchered two inside 50's in the first quarter when we were struggling to hang in there and then we're 28 points up in the last, the ball goes through him (which could happen to anyone) but he just stands there looking goofy as if to say "Flower it, we've won anyway, no need to try and make a contest out of it." Seriously, that shower is not good enough.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 08:51:56 PM
Don't want to bring the vibe down but I'm a little ticked off at Brad Hill.
He butchered two inside 50's in the first quarter when we were struggling to hang in there and then we're 28 points up in the last, the ball goes though him (which could happen to anyone) but he just stands there looking goofy as if to say "Flower it, we've won anyway, no need to try and make a contest out of it." Seriously, that shower is not good enough.
Sounds like something old mate Lumumba would do. :P
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 08:51:56 PM
Don't want to bring the vibe down but I'm a little ticked off at Brad Hill.
He butchered two inside 50's in the first quarter when we were struggling to hang in there and then we're 28 points up in the last, the ball goes though him (which could happen to anyone) but he just stands there looking goofy as if to say "Flower it, we've won anyway, no need to try and make a contest out of it." Seriously, that shower is not good enough.
Thought it looked a bit ordinary to mate. :o
On a more upbeat note, I would like to give Langford a big hug.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 10:02:02 PM
On a more upbeat note, I would like to give Langford a big hug.
The kid was incredible.
He's only played like what? 19 games or something. Looks clear best 22 at the moment.
Quote from: Mr.Craig on September 20, 2014, 10:02:02 PM
On a more upbeat note, I would like to give Langford a big hug.
Bloody great game from Langford, particularly in the first half when Port were dominating the clearances. He was the only one holding his own in there. Thought Duryea was pretty good as well.
Yeah, I liked Duryea too.
Breust continues to be flat, 3 goals in the last 4 games. At least he laid some tackles tonight but that was about it.
Roughy was huge.
Quote from: GM on September 20, 2014, 11:04:16 PM
Quote from: Grazz on September 20, 2014, 10:59:50 PM
Roughy was huge.
The difference in the end.
He possibly was mate, i mean you gotta get it down there but he certainly made the most of his opportunities with 6.2 when he got a hold of it, match winning game by him no question.
Yeah roughy was outstanding. At the ground i was having a heart attack lol. There were port supporters leaving the ground 10 mins into the last quarter when we were up by 5 goals and i was shaking my head at them, they were more confident then i was.
This may be harsh, considering we're through to the granny but setting high standards, we were poor. We should not have won, we should have been 6 goals down at quarter time. We definitely played well in patches, but in general i thought our tackling in particular was really ordinary, far too many of them didn't stick. I thought we were out marked too often too where we should have contest, particularly in the last quarter. On the positives though i thought suckling was a good in and deserves to keep his spot. Langford and duryea really stood up, hodge played a captains game and roughead was beyond words.
looking forward to sydeny, we will definitely have to play better to win. For me this has the same signs as 2012, where we scraped by Adelaide in the prelim but didn't play well, hopefully this time its a different result
Quote from: henry on September 21, 2014, 12:43:41 AM
This may be harsh, considering we're through to the granny but setting high standards, we were poor. We should not have won, we should have been 6 goals down at quarter time. We definitely played well in patches, but in general i thought our tackling in particular was really ordinary, far too many of them didn't stick. I thought we were out marked too often too where we should have contest, particularly in the last quarter. On the positives though i thought suckling was a good in and deserves to keep his spot. Langford and duryea really stood up, hodge played a captains game and roughead was huge
Not harsh mate, way too many missed tackles, particularly early, and so many times we kicked down the line in the last quarter to 1 or more of Hale, Ceglar or Spangher and they couldn't even get it out of bounds for a stoppage.
I also was having a heart attack at the ground ;)
I left to drive to footy presentations when we were 28 points up. Safe to say it wasnt a very enjoyable car ride. Especially having to listen to Brayshaw and Lyon commentate/barrack on triple m that was painful in itself.
Watching the game I thought Roughead and Hill were the only ones keeping the Hawks in it in the first half or so. Hodge and Mitchell made some really uncharacteristically poor errors in the beginning and the Hawks just seemed so slow with their decision making.
Wasn't even aware Shiels was off with a busted nose. So we were down him and Lewis in the end, that wouldn't have helped.