TEAM: COLLIWOBBLERS. [FIRST DRAFT]
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Brian Lake,Sam Docherty,Nathan J. Brown,(Brandon Ellis,Billie Smedts)
Midfielders
Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Dane Swan ,Jack Trengove,Michael Barlow,Stephen Coniglio,(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Hamish McIntosh,(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,Travis Cloke,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen, A Tomlinson,Ahmed Saad,Jeremy Cameron,(Adam Treloar,Sam Kerridge)
$35,000 CASH REMAINING = please rate all comments welcome.
THE FINAL CUT(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4012/86272840.jpg)
The truth about team colliwobblers.
So if you refer back to page one and see the initial "final cut" lineup, you can imagine what a disasterous season this has been for DT for me.
A lot of speculative picks that didn't come off and a few key injuries to further derail the season.
Looking at teh seasons trades you will see even more what a silly season it has been, still, finals in all leagues and hopeful of a top 1000 finish, I'd be happy with that if I can manage to stagger over the line.....
Trades history posted below for full transparency and the team I have to live with and have been living with since round 14 below that.
I will update on final ranking and league results at seasons end, and already looking forward to 2013 and a much much more conservative approach.
KEY LESSONS FROM 2012.1. Minimum 4 premium elite midfielders in starting round 1 side.
2. 2 Premium Rucks and 2 Rookie rucks - none of this 3 + 1 nonsense.
3. Limit on risky mid pricers and those that do make the cut have to be in thier teams best 22!
4. No rage trades = broughton
5. No Sandilands !
6. No Rockliff !
7. No KPP !!!
THE TEAM HEADING INTO FINALS (http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3711/round19.jpg)
THE TRADES(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/390/tradesi.jpg)
SCORE HISTORY(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1325/sscore.jpg)
WEEKLY RANKS(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4092/rrank.jpg)
OVERALL RANK(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9476/ovall.jpg)
As you can also see my endless effrt on bye strategy and trading DID pay off, made up around 9000 places and so far have managed to hold onto the rank regardless of the lack of trades remaining as a result of the bye trading.
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TEAM: COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Beau Waters,Sam Docherty,Nathan J. Brown (Brandon Ellis,Lee Spurr)
Midfielders
Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Jack Trengove,Steele Sidebottom,Michael Barlow,Dylan Shiel (James McDonald,Tom Mitchell)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Hamish McIntosh (Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,Travis Cloke,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Billie Smedts,Dayne Zorko (Adam Treloar,Sam Kerridge)
$18,300 in kitty.
At least this is somewhere I can keep track of all the many crazy changes I make and look back at which way im going as in forwards or backwards.
take #3
TEAM: Colliwobblers
KITTY: $5200
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Brett Deledio,Greg Broughton,Dyson Heppell,Beau Waters,Marty Clarke,Sam Docherty (Lee Spurr,Steven Morris)
Midfielders
Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Scott Thompson,David Zaharakis,Michael Barlow,Dylan Shiel (James McDonald,Tom Mitchell)
Rucks
Jarryd Roughead,Hamish McIntosh (Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,Dustin Martin,Steele Sidebottom,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Ahmed Saad,Dayne Zorko (Adam Treloar,Billie Smedts)
roughead wont play round 1 mate
Sam Jacobs will tho mate
thanks guys still trying to work out that first ruck spot, roughhead is there as he is the dearest i can afford.
the word im getting is mixed - smith, lobbe, kruezer, jacobs, ryder, maric ....... undecided though leaning towards ryder smith or kruezer
total rethink, i am now just waiting to see how HMac plays and looks through nab cup if he looks good and they say he has a job on the ground i may change mcevoy to him and use the money elsewhere. i am still dissapointed not to have rckliffe but is there any bettter than swanny can i start a team without him
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Brett Deledio,Greg Broughton,Dyson Heppell,Beau Waters,Marty Clarke,Sam Docherty(Brandon Ellis,Lee Spurr)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Michael Barlow,Chad Wingard,Dylan Shiel(Tom Mitchell,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Ben McEvoy(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Adam Treloar,Dayne Zorko(Billie Smedts,Sam Kerridge)
$9000 left
Not a bad side Wobbler, quite similar to mine with 10 premo's the same.
No DPP though.
Will Spurr get a game in Round 1?
I like your latest side. Very well balanced.
Heard somewhere Docherty just had surgery, so im hoping also he will be ready for round1. Im not so sure spur will get an early game unless someone goes down with injury. I think guys like Roberton will get a shot ahead of him.
I wouldnt be so concerned about dpp straight away. Im sure once nab comes around a few rookies will be replaced and added.
think your right about spurr your not the first to say that now.... big wraps on him tho
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 01, 2012, 02:22:41 PM
think your right about spurr your not the first to say that now.... big wraps on him tho
Not bad Wobbla maybe you could fit Morris into your backs somewhere ;D
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/125027/default.aspx
why not go for jacobs in ruck great chance of break out year and sandilands will drop in price i reckon so if you r really keen you can pick him up later and spend more cash on upgrading a forward!
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 01, 2012, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 01, 2012, 02:22:41 PM
think your right about spurr your not the first to say that now.... big wraps on him tho
Not bad Wobbla maybe you could fit Morris into your backs somewhere ;D
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/125027/default.aspx
got him now for spurr but i might have to lose ellis now who i also liked the look of from the tiges
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 01, 2012, 05:34:07 AM
total rethink, i am now just waiting to see how HMac plays and looks through nab cup if he looks good and they say he has a job on the ground i may change mcevoy to him and use the money elsewhere. i am still dissapointed not to have rckliffe but is there any bettter than swanny can i start a team without him
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Brett Deledio,Greg Broughton,Dyson Heppell,Beau Waters,Marty Clarke,Sam Docherty(Brandon Ellis,Lee Spurr)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Michael Barlow,Chad Wingard,Dylan Shiel(Tom Mitchell,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Ben McEvoy(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Adam Treloar,Dayne Zorko(Billie Smedts,Sam Kerridge)
$9000 left
Here we go.
Backs: Very strong. Not sold on Greg Broughton myself but if he is played in the middle his scores are just :o
Mids: Again very good. Can't fault it.
Rucks: Another exceptional line I'm impressed!
Forwards: A fair bit weaker than the other lines but that's understandable. Still Browny and Christo can potentially average 85+
Good team mate 9/10. Lost a mark due to having Greg Broughton and Kerridge (who i don't know much about). I think Saad or Walsh would fit into the Kerridge spot a bit better.
Even then i feel as though I'm being harsh. Really nice team, well done.
thanks Elephants , nice comments from a veteran such as you, and I'll change to saad i think i can afford it. :) Also will look at broughton and the role he looks to play, he isnt exactly a bargain so i can exchange him for almost anyone, any suggestions?
I'm a pretty big fan of Shaw but i know many are not at all.
If not Shaw then the other options i would look at (in this order) are Enright, Birchall, Suckling.
Hope i helped!
thanks that does help, im a fan of shaw too, just keep the clown away from the TAB, (betting place)
Yep hahaha.
Ok so here we go again, just downgraded wingard are moved a few rooks around and turned broughton into shaw.
Latest Draft of the Colliwobblers. Cash in Kitty $22,000
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Beau Waters,Marty Clarke,Sam Docherty (Tim Mohr,Steven Morris)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Michael Barlow,Dayne Zorko,Dylan Shiel (Tom Mitchell,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Ben McEvoy (Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Adam Treloar,Jeremy Cameron (Tommy Walsh,Billie Smedts)
Actually i think in the fwd line for now at least walch = saad.
Latest Update, please comment, I think I have to have Conca, and I would never have thought that, but did some research on my thread DT Detective and sold him to myself....
I also hears a bunch of Professional DT'ers on here talking up horsely so I've jumped on him.
the cost to my previous DT is Brown from the FWD line leaving it weakened but hey FWD rooks are supposed to be better than DEF rooks right so it whouldnt matter??
The other change Waters to Grimes that is not set in stone and could yet be Grima, that one position in my side is the least set. Sandi could be burger too..
TEAM:COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Jack Grimes,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke(Brandon Ellis,Tim Mohr)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Michael Barlow,Sam Docherty,Kyal Horsley(Dayne Zorko,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Ben McEvoy(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Adam Tomlinson,Ahmed Saad,Adam Treloar(Billie Smedts,Jeremy Cameron)
CASH LEFT: $3,600
Nice team CW.
Reckon you'll regret that forward line, and spend half your time fixing it!
2nd year rule applies to me for Heppell, not sure he's worth it at that price, and could find better options elsewhere IMO
Quote from: ossie85 on January 07, 2012, 08:52:50 AM
Nice team CW.
Reckon you'll regret that forward line, and spend half your time fixing it!
2nd year rule applies to me for Heppell, not sure he's worth it at that price, and could find better options elsewhere IMO
As in, change heppell to another premium or to a rook and buy a premium fwd?
Personally i would downgrade one of grimes, heppell or conca to strengthen your forward line. i think heppell will do a fyfe and continue improving, he is huge this year compared to his size last season and same goes for conca so probably get rid of grimes for me because he is too risky.
yeah i saw that photo og heppell too im not convinced the 2nd year rule wont apply but i think he'll be up there with the premium defenders scores regardless. ceertainly not the mids but thats ok.
So should I be going
grimes = rook
tomlinson = brown
or i need to find more money to add a real premium fwd ?
I was thinking i'd rather havve grimes than brown, and you need to upgrade somewhere so might as well be the fwds rather than the defenders.
You can see the team i posted here previously was pretty much what im talking about changing back to except now tehre is conca
thoughts?
thats what i would be doing, brown has the potential to score a lot more then grimes anyway.
i juat think your team is too unbalanced otherwise
Anyone have a link to the Heppel photo?
Quote from: elephants on January 07, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
Anyone have a link to the Heppel photo?
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/images/11/111213_gc-camp-d1-45-l.jpg
everyone tells me not to but he doesnt even remotely look like the scraggly kid that did well enough last year, i don't think i can pass him up, wouldnt have him as a mid this year but as a defender it will take some convincing for me to change him out of my squad. 90+ from him is my prediction and my hope :)
TEAM:COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Jack Grimes,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke(Brandon Ellis,Tim Mohr)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Michael Barlow,Sam Docherty,Kyal Horsley(Dayne Zorko,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Ben McEvoy(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Adam Tomlinson,Ahmed Saad,Adam Treloar(Billie Smedts,Jeremy Cameron)
CASH LEFT: $3,600
I like :) how good are smedts and cameron ? dont know much about them
Quote from: Matt_352 on January 07, 2012, 04:21:40 PM
I like :) how good are smedts and cameron ? dont know much about them
smedts is a definate, he is a stand out at preseason for the cats and missed last year from injury but he will be great.
Cameron is great but where they play him and how they play him and when they play will determine if i keep him.
This shows how much of a noobie i am, I can't have Shaw, Clarke, Heppell & Grimes all have week 12 bye.
So looking at the team below do i drop grimes to a rook and upgrade fwd or other line or do i change grimes to the likes of waters or grima on a week 11 bye? and i cant change him to anyone on a week 13 bye because i have goddard,Lids & Conca on week 13 bye.
TEAM:COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Jack Grimes,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke(Brandon Ellis,Tim Mohr)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Scott Thompson,Michael Barlow,Sam Docherty,Kyal Horsley(Dayne Zorko,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Ben McEvoy(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Adam Tomlinson,Ahmed Saad,Adam Treloar(Billie Smedts,Jeremy Cameron)
CASH LEFT: $3,600
Hey colliwobbler
The team looks good but those byes are an issue at least its in your backs I have tried to keep at least one premo in def mid fwd that has a different round bye. But god its hard all the top shelf want a vacation together!
Quote from: The Silent Partner on January 09, 2012, 08:29:49 PM
Hey colliwobbler
The team looks good but those byes are an issue at least its in your backs I have tried to keep at least one premo in def mid fwd that has a different round bye. But god its hard all the top shelf want a vacation together!
Yeah grimes has to go he needs to become a round 11 bye player, at his price that throws up the likes of waters grima.... many others but i would have taken grimes over them maybe it has to waters, or a rook and i'll upgrade the fwd line i do not know.
probably still need to change shaw or goddard or both. to adcock and who knows who else, i am resigned to the fact there will be a few donuts over the bye rounds and i am not worried about the rooks because they should be traded by then but i think the byes this year are going to require sideways premium/keeper trading, i just done see any other way, and frankly i think! the scores of the best players regardless of byes for 10 rounds is worth burning the trades during the byes to cover the donuts, but its as many as 9 trades thats a lot of trades to burn.
I heard somewhere the system over the bye rounds might be changing?? darn i hope it does
OK after copping somw (warranted) heat for my weak fwdline I have taken from the back line to add strength to the FWD line, I could have and still can afford to add a premium in the place of Brown and again take the money from the DEF BUT, I have 2 keepers in the fwd from rnd12 bye and 2 from rnd13 bye, so to not have to get a dounut for one or have to trade a keeper i want to keep out and in again i need to pick a premium with a rnd 11 bye, well there isnt one i want - hence brown.
Anyway, thoughts. And yes i know this won't be our final teams in early january and all the rooks will change, but its a matter of working out the best structure for the keeper / premiums around the bye rounds that might take us all the next 3 months to sort out :)
TEAM: COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Heath Scotland,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke,Brandon Ellis(Tim Mohr,Beau Wilkes)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Michael Barlow,Stephen Clifton,Dayne Zorko(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Matthew Leuenberger(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Ahmed Saad,Billie Smedts(Adam Treloar,Curtly Hampton)
CASH: $24,000 not comfortable with this cash left may downgrade scotland-goddard & Rockliff-Thompson to get another $50K in the bank to start season with ($75K total)
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 11, 2012, 11:56:35 PM
OK after copping some (warranted) heat for my weak fwdline I have taken from the back line to add strength to the FWD line, I could have and still can afford to add a premium in the place of Brown and again take the money from the DEF BUT, I have 2 keepers in the fwd from rnd12 bye and 2 from rnd13 bye, so to not have to get a dounut for one or have to trade a keeper i want to keep out and in again i need to pick a premium with a rnd 11 bye, well there isnt one i want - hence brown.
Anyway, thoughts. And yes i know this won't be our final teams in early january and all the rooks will change, but its a matter of working out the best structure for the keeper / premiums around the bye rounds that might take us all the next 3 months to sort out :)
TEAM: COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Heath Scotland,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke,Brandon Ellis(Tim Mohr,Beau Wilkes)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Michael Barlow,Stephen Clifton,Dayne Zorko(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Matthew Leuenberger(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Ahmed Saad,Billie Smedts(Adam Treloar,Curtly Hampton)
CASH: $24,000
OR
TEAM: COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,J Adcock,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke,Brandon Ellis(Tim Mohr,Beau Wilkes)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Michael Barlow,Stephen Clifton,Dayne Zorko(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Matthew Leuenberger(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,S Sidebottom,Allen Christensen,Ahmed Saad,Billie Smedts(Adam Treloar,Curtly Hampton)
CASH: $2,400
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 12, 2012, 02:42:15 AM
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 11, 2012, 11:56:35 PM
OK after copping some (warranted) heat for my weak fwdline I have taken from the back line to add strength to the FWD line, I could have and still can afford to add a premium in the place of Brown and again take the money from the DEF BUT, I have 2 keepers in the fwd from rnd12 bye and 2 from rnd13 bye, so to not have to get a dounut for one or have to trade a keeper i want to keep out and in again i need to pick a premium with a rnd 11 bye, well there isnt one i want - hence brown.
Anyway, thoughts. And yes i know this won't be our final teams in early january and all the rooks will change, but its a matter of working out the best structure for the keeper / premiums around the bye rounds that might take us all the next 3 months to sort out :)
TEAM: COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Heath Scotland,Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke,Brandon Ellis(Tim Mohr,Beau Wilkes)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Michael Barlow,Stephen Clifton,Dayne Zorko(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Matthew Leuenberger(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,Allen Christensen,Jonathan Brown,Ahmed Saad,Billie Smedts(Adam Treloar,Curtly Hampton)
CASH: $24,000
OR
TEAM: COLLIWOBBLERS
Defenders
Heath Shaw,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,J Adcock,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke,Brandon Ellis(Tim Mohr,Beau Wilkes)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Michael Barlow,Stephen Clifton,Dayne Zorko(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Aaron Sandilands,Matthew Leuenberger(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,David Zaharakis,Dustin Martin,S Sidebottom,Allen Christensen,Ahmed Saad,Billie Smedts(Adam Treloar,Curtly Hampton)
CASH: $2,400
I prefer the second team with sidey, the newish AFL article on him has enticed me and he can push for that 90 avg where as jono i can only see hitting 85, though i do want the big fella to prove me wrong.
overall the side is very solid, though why is everyone on the Conca wagon? The boy just hasn't proven enough to play consistent through the middle and you would need him to improve to a average of 90, if he doesn't you will want to upgrade him and you are going to find it very hard to find the money.
Though the thing is if you move Conca it will stuff up your whole team structure, so your in a bit of a pickle. downgrading will only make your defense weak, and you can only upgrade him if you make changes to your midfield, which i cant pick what you would change.
So atm i wouldn't make any changes though Conca is a weak spot in your defense, good luck for this year
Why dont you upgrade christo down grade brown
Thanks popedilio, spot on with side bottom. I don't want to be without him now either training and playing in the midfield, learning from swanny , uh lock.
As for cona, he did better last season than his average gives him credit for and he is much more highly rated by just about everyone than most people realize. He is an out and out gun and he should play in the midfield this season which will see him get around the 90 and be a keeper, if he falls a bit short he will have made. M a lot of money so I can live with that, but your ring ATM he is the weak spot in my def but I can't see as you say how to fix him even if I wanted to the only place I will make changes to my team is now def and fwd so one or the other has to be a little weaker.
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 13, 2012, 11:45:02 PM
Thanks popedilio, spot on with side bottom. I don't want to be without him now either training and playing in the midfield, learning from swanny , uh lock.
As for cona, he did better last season than his average gives him credit for and he is much more highly rated by just about everyone than most people realize. He is an out and out gun and he should play in the midfield this season which will see him get around the 90 and be a keeper, if he falls a bit short he will have made. M a lot of money so I can live with that, but your ring ATM he is the weak spot in my def but I can't see as you say how to fix him even if I wanted to the only place I will make changes to my team is now def and fwd so one or the other has to be a little weaker.
Only reason why i critcised the selection of Conca is the fact that i dont see him making an average of 80 at best, meaning the money you earn from him would be lower if you get a rookie and they average 70, because you would save intitally a 100kat the start.
Though if your gut feeling says stick with him, do it mate, good luck for this year
Thanks again mate and you make a good point on him, he is my risk him and Christensen, not to say if an extra available back line rook shines in nab cup I won't put him in instead of conca and I kind of hope one does so I have the extra coin to upgrade with.
Good luck to you for the season too.
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 14, 2012, 12:03:07 AM
Thanks again mate and you make a good point on him, he is my risk him and Christensen, not to say if an extra available back line rook shines in nab cup I won't put him in instead of conca and I kind of hope one does so I have the extra coin to upgrade with.
Good luck to you for the season too.
though the thing is christensen has proven that he can score 85ppg, where conca hasn't, i know that his role was in defence this year hence defender status in DT, but he just hasn't shown me enough to warrant selection.
I would switch Mcdonald for Treloar in your midfield that way you have the DPP link for your forwards
Quote from: ScoreGasm on January 14, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
I would switch Mcdonald for Treloar in your midfield that way you have the DPP link for your forwards
That's a good call only thing is whether there is a worthy replacement for treloar in the fwd line and whether McDonald is too good to pass up, I mean if he plays the first say 8 games straight he could average 70+ and that would be a massive profit....
hI gUYS, i HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO SQUEEZE IN SOME UP AND COMING PLAYERS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE PROSPECTUS ARE AGREEING ARE MUST HAVES.
Please tell me what you think of the new side, compared to the previous one, and comments and rate whatever will be much appreciated, not sold on the new team just thought i'd float the idea.
Team : Colliwobblers. (roughies)
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Jack Grimes,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke,Sam Docherty (Brandon Ellis,Tim Mohr)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Michael Barlow,Josh Caddy,Stephen Clifton(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Matthew Leuenberger,Shane Mumford(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,Dustin Martin,Steele Sidebottom,Patrick Dangerfield,Allen Christensen,Ahmed Saad,Billie Smedts(Adam Treloar,Dayne Zorko)
Cash Left $4800
I love the players in this side and I see great cash cows in caddy and conca, and keepers in dangerfield christensen grimaes and barlow, but i also fee the risks are high - playing for overall.
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 22, 2012, 03:14:07 PM
hI gUYS, i HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO SQUEEZE IN SOME UP AND COMING PLAYERS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE PROSPECTUS ARE AGREEING ARE MUST HAVES.
Please tell me what you think of the new side, compared to the previous one, and comments and rate whatever will be much appreciated, not sold on the new team just thought i'd float the idea.
Team : Colliwobblers. (roughies)
Defenders
Brendon Goddard,Brett Deledio,Dyson Heppell,Jack Grimes,Reece Conca,Marty Clarke,Sam Docherty (Brandon Ellis,Tim Mohr)
Midfielders
Dane Swan,Gary Ablett,Tom Rockliff,Michael Barlow,Josh Caddy,Stephen Clifton(Dylan Shiel,James McDonald)
Rucks
Matthew Leuenberger,Shane Mumford(Jonathan Giles,Orren Stephensen)
Forwards
Lance Franklin,Dustin Martin,Steele Sidebottom,Patrick Dangerfield,Allen Christensen,Ahmed Saad,Billie Smedts(Adam Treloar,Dayne Zorko)
Cash Left $4800
I love the players in this side and I see great cash cows in caddy and conca, and keepers in dangerfield christensen grimaes and barlow, but i also fee the risks are high - playing for overall.
I quite like it , a well balanced team...only problem might be you wont make as much cash off Conca and Caddy as you would like but i dont see that as a big problem...nice work
I would look at Dangefield's nab performances. Never been a big reader into all this hype about Danger's pre season and shower.
Every year it happens and every year it's another year of disappointing dream team scores.
Everything ok bar the forward line... Dangerfield too big a risk.
yeah i might have to lose caddy or conca to make dangerfield a premium, i dint but into the dangerfield hype last year but this year im tempted
im doing a write up on your adelaide crows players topic 2morrow wait for that till you remove him, just done a couple of rookies first before i post it
otherwise i like your team your backs are very strong, youve proly the best 3 mids possible, rucks great and we all need a couple of risks to win the car and dont see anything wrong with yours m8
it has changed considerably since the first post but only 4 the good :)
thanks pickers always great feedback and cant wait for your article on dangerfield word out of the prospectus is very possitive on him, but like these guys above say, they/we have heard it all before.
Your articles are great i'll read it and see, watch the nabcup and see, and if i get scared i can always go brown....
Nice team CW.
Perhaps needs a pod or two this year.
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 22, 2012, 09:38:18 PM
thanks pickers always great feedback and cant wait for your article on dangerfield word out of the prospectus is very possitive on him, but like these guys above say, they/we have heard it all before.
Your articles are great i'll read it and see, watch the nabcup and see, and if i get scared i can always go brown....
Thanks Cw, yeah there always hype on players like with conca that went MAD for a few days and never heard of him since haha, but i think there could be a little more substance behind patty this yr, and he has kicked brown out of my team 2 ;D hope you enjoy the read 2moz just did one on kerridge aswell :)
that write up on kerridge is awesome, and i cant wait for dangermouse :) you got to be good at dt becasue lets be honest no one likes to suck, but you got to have a set of nads too and back your instincts with at least a couple of picks right?
only jump on danger if he has a killer NAB. I'm not buying into the conca pre-season hype, and I think there's better choices than leuen goin' round
but solid :)
thanks zip conca can become lake or a rook and danger can become brown or a rook.
as for the rucks i was sandi-burger, cant be sandi mummy, so if i drop burger it might have to be sandi or mummy - mcevoy.
what i really hope is that a mid priced ruck puts his hand up in nabcup and says pick me ala kruezer west hmac.
dont suppose you want to share your advice for rucks at this early stage ???????
yeah id love to know your thoughts on the burger two ialso have him and mumford ???
Latest Effort, this is the Zaka team, the other has
1) dangerfied instead of Zaka,
2) grimes instead of Hanley
3) Caddy instead of mitchell.
TEAM NAME: Colliwobblers#1
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, D. Heppell, P. Hanley, R. Conca, M. Clarke, S. Docherty (B. Ellis, T. Mohr)
MID: D. Swan, G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, M. Barlow, S. Clifton, A. Miles (D. Shiel, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, S. Mumford (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, D. Zaharakis, D. Martin, S. Sidebottom, A. Christensen, C. Hampton, B. Smedts (A. Treloar, D. Zorko)
CASH LEFT: $900
Thoughts?
dangerfield 80 ave (very realistic) vs Zaka 95 ave
grimes 80 ave (very realistic) vs hanley 85 ave
caddy 75 ave vs mitchell 65 ave
yeah zaka, hanley just plus theres better chance of those two becoming keepers vs the other 3
looks more and more like mine every change :P
I managed to keep Caddy though
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1704/collidt.jpg)
Are you aware of 5 players having rd 13 byes? I guess you would be, but reconsider Wilkes maybe?
Quote from: whatlez on February 09, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
Are you aware of 5 players having rd 13 byes? I guess you would be, but reconsider Wilkes maybe?
yeah wilkes is only there because i had to downgrade a rook to get sandi in who was mummy. not sure on the rooks yet will watch nab cup and see what i can shuffle around by round 1.
Quote from: Colliwobblers on February 09, 2012, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: whatlez on February 09, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
Are you aware of 5 players having rd 13 byes? I guess you would be, but reconsider Wilkes maybe?
yeah wilkes is only there because i had to downgrade a rook to get sandi in who was mummy. not sure on the rooks yet will watch nab cup and see what i can shuffle around by round 1.
Yeah Lids, God, Conca, Ellis and Wilkes will all be out so you need to watch out. I guess Luke Brown could swap into the mids...
The tiges getting a lot of backline action this year CW?
Quote from: T Dog on February 10, 2012, 10:40:46 AM
The tiges getting a lot of backline action this year CW?
ellis and lids are a lock, im romantacizing about conca, he might well lose his spot by the end of nab cup but then again he might not, would plan on having ellis and another def rnd 13 rook upgraded by the round 13 bye potentially 3 which would be required to avoid the donut in round 13. Wilkes impressed in the intra club hit out and if he goes well in the nab cup he is going start round 1 for the saint, but not a DT friendly role, so i might have to go to bugg or another gws rook.
not sure on christo and conca really think there r better options like winder/porp or grimes/waters. Or just an christo swap for browny.
Quote from: owenbond007 on February 10, 2012, 02:49:41 PM
not sure on christo and conca really think there r better options like winder/porp or grimes/waters. Or just an christo swap for browny.
it will be a swap for brown if anything i think, but christensen scored what he did last season having had the vest many times, and he was stated in Geelongs own words as the "next big thing at the club".
But yeah he is a risk, and can't afford to upgrade conca he would have to be downgraded to lake or a rook :)
The two of Conca nad Christensen are nabcup watchees :) subject to change 1 up 1 down...
Christo's scores really aren't that flash when you look at them.
How many games did he wear the vest? Not like half his games were vest affected.
Big bustling Brown I have more confidence in myself.
Quote from: Windigo on February 10, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
Christo's scores really aren't that flash when you look at them.
How many games did he wear the vest? Not like half his games were vest affected.
Big bustling Brown I have more confidence in myself.
Christo had the vest 6/19 games. Certainly has the potential to up his average if he cements a spot in the 21.
I bought into the martin tough draw slow start hype and used the loot to add a couple more mid pricers...... thoughts
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9662/coldtlatestmidfwd.jpg)
ok take 1000 thoughts guys ?
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7725/dt01l.jpg)
Not bad, loves Richmond?
Some huge risks (conca, howard, rohan) and Barlow, not sure about that one
Quote from: whatlez on February 24, 2012, 07:45:02 PM
Not bad, loves Richmond?
Some huge risks (conca, howard, rohan) and Barlow, not sure about that one
LOL yeah trading out most tiges before the bye, ellis will go out for the best def rook option round 1 too maybe wiles not sure who yet.
Lets make it a team 1 vs team 2, two teams posted in a row, which do you prefer 1 or 2 i prefer teh first one without hayes...
I like the rohan choice but i rekon you have one to many midpricers. If only a few come of you may be in trouble but if they all do you will go great
experimenting over this is the original and the best i think i have come up with the only real questions left are round 1 rooks and Barlow.
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4254/dt01q.jpg)
not sold on barlow, maybe a shuey mite be better or sloane/trengrove if you could fit him in.
yep as per my comment Barlow is the only question left at this stage, but if he doesnt make the cut either christo or conca go for rohan or howard respectively and boyd will come in for barlow :)
just hoping barlow comes up and gets back to 2010 greatness for the 1100k discount. dont believe there is anything wrong with him or his leg just being saved nab cup duties like so many other premiums...
but we will see, thanks for teh feedback.
no defensive mpp in mids?
if u decide against barlow, u could always get a rookie and pump the cash into upgrading christian and conca, just another option
Quote from: TheHanger on February 28, 2012, 09:43:57 PM
no defensive mpp in mids?
ill put one in only if there is a good enough one thats named to play round 1 :), i reckon mid rooks will be the first to get upgraded so when you need dpp in the byes those rooks will mostly be ugraded and gone anyway
too many tigers in your backline maybe? unless of course they have been upgraded before bye
Quote from: dicey7 on February 28, 2012, 10:51:13 PM
too many tigers in your backline maybe? unless of course they have been upgraded before bye
yeah got 12 rounds to do it but the two rooks both need to be GONE, same for 2 of the round 11 mids and fwds need to be gone.
I will likely replace 1 of each of def round 13 rooks, fwd and mid round 11 rooks, closer to round 1 when alternate rooks stick thier heads up for selection.
some stand outs in the nab cup but a few are still rookie listed and i'll need to see them named for round 1 before jumping on.
Quote from: Colliwobblers on February 28, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: TheHanger on February 28, 2012, 09:43:57 PM
no defensive mpp in mids?
ill put one in only if there is a good enough one thats named to play round 1 :), i reckon mid rooks will be the first to get upgraded so when you need dpp in the byes those rooks will mostly be ugraded and gone anyway
good point, i just feel i bit vulnerable without them even having one that doesnt play all the games is still like having an extra mid and def
Hey Colli both teams are pretty solid I like team two, with Heppel in the in the backline instead of both Conca and Howard although I think they will have good seasons am considering Howard myself. My only concern would be the fwds with Zaha, Martin, and Sidebottom they are in that awkward range for me no doubt they may become keepers and they will spend more time in the mids but will it pay off? Perhaps. IMO i would try scrounge up a bit of dough and get a Chap with Goode slice of Pav.
In saying that I have a similar team but have that luxury due to the risk of playing Giles.
Ok had to give it a go the rookie ruck side? not a fan but thoughts ?
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1417/dt02m.jpg)
I swear caddy is only 200k? How did he increase 50k
Quote from: whatlez on March 01, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
I swear caddy is only 200k? How did he increase 50k
LOL he is only $218,200 in SC but comes at a price in DT, I was / am tempted to go Brad Ebert only 30-40k more, but i hate mid priced mids really thinking of caddy as a cash cow, think he will fulfil that role
Quote from: Colliwobblers on March 01, 2012, 04:56:32 PM
Ok had to give it a go the rookie ruck side? not a fan but thoughts ?
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1417/dt02m.jpg)
Too many Tiges in yr backs, maybe think of Mohr (GWS) and Wilkes9 STK) as other options, Brown from Adel as well, Ellis b4 Morris not keen on both. Deledio bit iffy hammy replace with Newman?
Mids Shiel is injured, Lucas (carl) 200k an option instead of Caddy (GC) and will play on a wing as well as Wingard (Port).
Zorko (Bris) won't play rnd 1 he's injured, maybe replace with Weedon (WC) now LeCras is out for the year, Maybe bench Smedts don't like his JS,
Just some things for ya to think about mate ;-)
the ever changing unamazing colliwobbers side enters it 500th alteration...
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3452/dt03p.jpg)
So here it is Team Colliwobblers 2012. 12 played for 1111.
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4012/86272840.jpg)
Nice side, you have two mid price backs... Swan/pendles will pay off.
All I can say that you will probably get 2100
Goddard, Fyfe, Magner, Howard, Hargrave, Broughton, Dangerfield and Lynch is a good amount of talent left
You make my team look ordinary :P
That is a great team (very similar to one of my earlier three mid premium team drafts).
Love the Crows duo in the forward line - Lynch could be a great POD if he gets sufficient TOG (and he's named at CHF, so you're off to a handy start)!
Could be a highscoring mid rookie mix, too. Ledger and Caddy.
My favourite team this pre-season - 9.5 out of 10 (coz I know how you feel about giving 10s ;))
Ledger out of the Saint's line-up :'(
Quote from: mezzoculo on April 01, 2012, 04:28:44 PM
Ledger out of the Saint's line-up :'(
WTF how ridiculous i have him on the bench so not too tragic but hopefuly not a sign of things to come, perfect chance to play the rooks v port and they don't makes no sense
Strange decision. Hopefully its a slight injury - otherwise he was simply dropped ???
The truth about team colliwobblers.
So if you refer back to page one and see the initial "final cut" lineup, you can imagine what a disasterous season this has been for DT for me.
A lot of speculative picks that didn't come off and a few key injuries to further derail the season.
Looking at teh seasons trades you will see even more what a silly season it has been, still, finals in all leagues and hopeful of a top 1000 finish, I'd be happy with that if I can manage to stagger over the line.....
Trades history posted below for full transparency and the team I have to live with and have been living with since round 14 below that.
I will update on final ranking and league results at seasons end, and already looking forward to 2013 and a much much more conservative approach.
KEY LESSONS FROM 2012.1. Minimum 4 premium elite midfielders in starting round 1 side.
2. 2 Premium Rucks and 2 Rookie rucks - none of this 3 + 1 nonsense.
3. Limit on risky mid pricers and those that do make the cut have to be in thier teams best 22!
4. No rage trades = broughton
5. No Sandilands !
6. No Rockliff !
7. No KPP !!!
THE TEAM HEADING INTO FINALS (http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3711/round19.jpg)
THE TRADES(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/390/tradesi.jpg)
SCORE HISTORY(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1325/sscore.jpg)
WEEKLY RANKS(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4092/rrank.jpg)
OVERALL RANK(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9476/ovall.jpg)
As you can also see my endless effrt on bye strategy and trading DID pay off, made up around 9000 places and so far have managed to hold onto the rank regardless of the lack of trades remaining as a result of the bye trading.
Good summary Colli, I think I will do mine a bit later in the season.
You traded quite well (well when compared to me)
I got a bit unlucky in the first 6 weeks.
ROUND 6
OUT Smith ($240,400) IN Zaharakis ($378,900)
OUT Cornes ($355,700) IN Christensen ($363,300)
ROUND 5
OUT Redden ($149,400) IN McIntosh ($346,500)
OUT Ablett ($592,900) IN Swan ($565,200)
ROUND 4
OUT Mumford ($452,400) IN Sandilands ($472,400)
OUT Fyfe ($450,000) IN Treloar ($104,200)
ROUND 3
OUT Broughton ($416,200) IN Birchall ($443,500)
OUT Dangerfield ($349,800) IN Cornes ($330,300)
Yes, I am fully aware that out of the first 8 players I traded in, TRELOAR was the ONLY player not to miss a match in the next 4 weeks or get significantly injured. Meaning I then had to use a further 5 trades to trade out those players I just traded in, while holding birchall and swan. That is 10 wasted trades :O
still a nice ranking CW, gotta be happy with bringing in Beams and Maric early
Not a bad finishing team Colli, only a couple of weak links. Your bench options have been solid, they must have helped save some donuts for sure. Very nice ranking regardless, looking forward to another pre-season :)
@ Spite = wow, that's some bad luck, and luck is all it is, injuries made most of those trades bad, nothing else.
@ tbagrocks = thanks and yes they were 2 of my better trades amongst the many bad ones
@ Scrads = can't wait, i felt given my research that i would be clever this season and speculate on some rooks and mid pricers, in 2013 i will do all the research but may just leave the risk taking to others :)
The funny thing is, if I had traded in Maric instead of McIntosh, that extra 7k would have allowed me to trade in zaha and o'keefe or maybe pav (cant remember his exact price) instead of christo (who was coming off back to back tons) as i was $100 short of o'keefe at the time. Would have changed my whole year dramatically.
Lessen learned about trading danger to cornes...was a risk that killed me.
yeah i did a write up on okeefe when he was dirt cheap and DID NOT get on him.
I also did a write up on stevie J when he was dirt cheap, and again DID NOT get on him either.
hindsight hey...
i did get on cloke mitchell and rockliff when they were dirt cheap, and guess what - they're still dirt cheap and for good reason
;D
oh well as long as we have had fun hey, and still the finals to come......
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 06, 2012, 01:52:10 AM
yeah i did a write up on okeefe when he was dirt cheap and DID NOT get on him.
I also did a write up on stevie J when he was dirt cheap, and again DID NOT get on him either.
hindsight hey...
i did get on cloke mitchell and rockliff when they were dirt cheap, and guess what - they're still dirt cheap and for good reason
;D
oh well as long as we have had fun hey, and still the finals to come......
I started with rockliff :/
At least I made the elxam finals, only thing that made me have fun the whole year. I didn't make top 8 in any of my 5 leagues. 9th in Champs leagues though. Worst season I have had in the past 5 years too. Can't remember the last time I was outside the top 10k, but sure it was around round 1 2009. :'(
Well done on the overall ranking and cheers for posting. It's interesting looking at how someone in the top 2000 goes about it. I'm currently sitting just outside the top 2000, but with Gibson as cover for Swan I hope to do a bit better than others. Like yourself, I'm out of trades and D7 is a problem with Ellis/Shaw/Darley filling it (really thought Darley would play and be alright...). The final few trades just seemed clutch and it always appears better to lock in a cheap player while you're in a position to do so. But it's not necessary. Something I've taken on board this year also.
Quote from: Andrew on August 09, 2012, 02:04:10 AM
Well done on the overall ranking and cheers for posting. It's interesting looking at how someone in the top 2000 goes about it. I'm currently sitting just outside the top 2000, but with Gibson as cover for Swan I hope to do a bit better than others. Like yourself, I'm out of trades and D7 is a problem with Ellis/Shaw/Darley filling it (really thought Darley would play and be alright...). The final few trades just seemed clutch and it always appears better to lock in a cheap player while you're in a position to do so. But it's not necessary. Something I've taken on board this year also.
you need a lot of luck to get top 10,000 so you have done really well, i started a lot of spuds that didnt pay off and made a couple of silly trades.
swan out for two weeks now shows us why saving trades is important, but i was never focused on league finals just the best possible overall rank.
the byes cost me a LOT of trades, but those trades and those rounds also gained me a LOT of ranks which i have so far held onto.
I would be VERY happy to crack the top 1000 but suspect i will finish a fair way outside it, certainly i'll start 4 elite mids and 2 elite rucks next season and should give the top 1000 a better crack than this season...
good luck to you in your run home.
I wouldn't be too harsh on yourself with the mid-price pickups. There were plenty that if you started with, you'd be killing it by now. You just picked the wrong ones but some of those players could just be breakouts next year. Another key skill needed is knowing when to hop off rookies, I got off Greene, Treloar, and even Smith too early. But it was hard to judge GWS rookies because they were playing in a rookie side and were up & down, in & out of the side. Won't have that next season. Shows that maybe you can't take every lesson learned into the next year because so much changes from year to year...
Well said Andrew, and next years challange will be picking the rooks that will actualy play :) last two years have been easy with the two startup clubs next year is back to normal and getting that right on it's own can make or break your season.
Quote from: Colliwobblers on August 09, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Well said Andrew, and next years challange will be picking the rooks that will actualy play :) last two years have been easy with the two startup clubs next year is back to normal and getting that right on it's own can make or break your season.
I'll give you two... O'Meara and Crouch :P
4 top premium mids are the way to go, no risks like Rocky... Something like Swan, Pendles, Ablett and Murphy/Boyd/Cotchin
I think a two premium ruck idea with one of the rookies being a F/R to switch with a forward who is a F/R will be a key element to gaining points on others next year. Maybe one of the premium ruckmen could be a F/R like roughead, but depends on whether cox/nicnat etc get DPP status!
you need a lot of luck to get top 10,000
well lady luck was not with me :-[
FREE JACK ZIEBELL (CAN HE FIND THE BALL WHEN HE IS) I hope so! My DT hopes so!
Quote from: Spite on August 10, 2012, 02:32:51 AM
I'll give you two... O'Meara and Crouch :P
4 top premium mids are the way to go, no risks like Rocky... Something like Swan, Pendles, Ablett and Murphy/Boyd/Cotchin
I think a two premium ruck idea with one of the rookies being a F/R to switch with a forward who is a F/R will be a key element to gaining points on others next year. Maybe one of the premium ruckmen could be a F/R like roughead, but depends on whether cox/nicnat etc get DPP status!
Good calls all round there, Cox dual position status would be massive, surely linking him & Roughead up will be the play. Only thing I'll most likely do different is 3 "super"-premium mids, 1 mid pricer then rest rookies. I skimped slightly on 2 of my mid premiums this year (Scott Thompson has worked out thus far), but had Hayes as a mid-priced option which made it all better. Ebert would've been even nicer in a 2/2 structure, so while the super-premiums definitely are key to start with as they're too hard to trade in, one has got to keep an open mind to a mid-priced pick as the only thing worse than starting with a dud mid-pricer is trading one in. Such as...
Quote from: tbagrocks on August 10, 2012, 02:39:50 AM
FREE JACK ZIEBELL (CAN HE FIND THE BALL WHEN HE IS) I hope so! My DT hopes so!
He cost me the trade I need right now in defence, taking a punt on Ablett -> Ziebell after Ziebell's first 2 games... never again with Ziebell, and never again will I trade in a mid-pricer. Better to wait for a premium to drop like we've seen plenty of lately - Carrazzo, Sylvia, Fyfe, and this week Stevie J have all been no-brainer pickups - if you saved the trades.
chapman and franklin have finally conspired to cost me a donut! first one for the season outside of the bye rounds!
only chance to avoid it is adams being a late inclusion... unlikely as he is injured too :(