WXV Round 15: Suns Seeking Seventh Sands Surrender

[Purple 77]

	Berlin Brewers					New York Revolution
POS	Attack	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Attack	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Michael Hibberd	56		56	D1	Shannon Hurn	110		110
D2	Luke Hodge	0	DNP	0	D2	Robbie Tarrant	42		42
D3	Dane Rampe	115		115	D3	Dan Houston	88		88
M1	Josh P Kennedy	27	DNP	0	M1	Shaun Higgins	109		109
M2	Nathan Jones	61		61	M2	Luke Dunstan	91		91
M3	Brendon Goddard	47		47	M3	Jack Steele	144		144
M4	Jack Viney	0	DNP	0	M4	Jordan Lewis	95		95
R1	Max Gawn	131		131	R1	Patrick Ryder	49		49
F1	Lance Franklin	109		109	F1	Isaac Heeney	113		113
F2	Michael Walters	64		64	F2	Jarryd Roughead	78		78
F3	Ben Ronke	94		94	F3	Josh J Kennedy	90		90
F4	Charlie Dixon	76		76	F4	Jed Anderson	89		89
F5	Daniel Menzel	27		27	F5	Jade Gresham	66		66
U1 (MID )	Zak Jones	63		63	U1 (MID )	Hugh Greenwood	53		53
U2 (MID )	Stefan Giro	86		86	U2 (MID FWD)	Kyle Langford	121		121
E1 (FWD )	Harry McKay	56		56	E1 (FWD )	Eddie Betts	63	DNP	0
E2 (DEF )	Sam Frost	46		46	E2 (DEF )	Alex Sexton	54	DNP	0
E3 (FWD )	Ben Crocker	18		18	E3 (DEF )	Sam Gilbert	51	DNP	0
C	Max Gawn	131		131	CC	Shaun Higgins	109		55
VC	Josh P Kennedy	27		0	CC	Isaac Heeney	113		57
HA	Ben Crocker	18		18	RP		0		0
RP		0		0	NR		0
NR		0
		Total:	1198	15			Total:	1450	15

	Christchurch Saints					Toronto Wolves
POS	Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Heath Shaw	113		113	D1	Kade Simpson	81		81
D2	Nathan Wilson	77		77	D2	Scott D Thompson	71		71
D3	Tom Langdon	62		62	D3	Alex Witherden	94		94
D4	Ed Richards	46		46	D4	Ryan Clarke	43		43
M1	Bryce Gibbs	80		80	M1	Jack Macrae	131		131
M2	Marc Murphy	81		81	M2	Scott Pendlebury	74		74
M3	Luke Parker	105		105	M3	Tim Kelly	107		107
M4	Gary Jnr Ablett	113		113	M4	Jack Redden	154		154
R1	Sean Darcy	86		86	R1	Nic Naitanui	42	DNP	0
F1	Toby McLean	90		90	F1	Jesse Hogan	123		123
F2	Brennan Cox	87		87	F2	David Mundy	130		130
F3	Darcy Moore	68		68	F3	Travis Boak	83		83
F4	Josh Daicos	46		46	F4	Wayne Milera	92		92
U1 (DEF )	Conor McKenna	75		75	U1 (RUC )	Tom Bellchambers	92		92
U2 (MID )	Ryan Griffen	67		67	U2 (MID )	Dion Prestia	97		97
E1 (DEF )	Dale Morris	48	DNP	0	E1 (MID )	Jacob Hopper	72		72
E2 (RUC )	Brayden Crossley	64	DNP	0	E2 (FWD )	Allen Christensen	52	DNP	0
E3 (MID FWD)	Brent Daniels	48	DNP	0	E3 (DEF )	Bradley Lynch	58	DNP	0
C	Marc Murphy	81		81	C	Scott Pendlebury	74		74
VC	Gary Jnr Ablett	113		0	VC	Jack Macrae	131		0
HA	Josh Daicos	46		46	RP		0		0
RP		0		0	NR		0
NR		0
		Total:	1323	15			Total:	1518	15

	Mexico City Suns					Cairo Sands
POS	Flood	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	James Sicily	94		94	D1	Shane Savage	97		97
D2	Darcy Byrne-Jones	66		66	D2	Jeremy McGovern	132		132
D3	Jarryn Geary	63		63	D3	Tom Stewart	66		66
D4	Bernie Vince	52		52	D4	Nick Vlastuin	88		88
D5	Adam Kennedy	59		59	M1	Dayne Beams	111		111
M1	Lachie Hunter	91		91	M2	Taylor Adams	107		107
M2	Jared Polec	95		95	M3	Ricky Henderson	64		64
M3	Christian Petracca	53		53	M4	Mark Hutchings	81		81
M4	Nic Newman	57		57	R1	Dawson Simpson	122		122
R1	Tom Hickey	79		79	F1	Ben Brown	120		120
F1	James Harmes	49		49	F2	Rory Lobb	36		36
F2	Callum Moore	26		26	F3	Mitch Robinson	86		86
F3	Tim O'Brien	27		27	F4	Hugh McCluggage	113		113
U1 (DEF )	Sam Wright	74		74	U1 (DEF )	Andrew McGrath	99		99
U2 (DEF )	Aaron Naughton	70		70	U2 (DEF )	Daniel McKenzie	61		61
E1 (MID )	Lewis Jetta	91	DNP	0	E1 (FWD )	Jeff Garlett	57	DNP	0
E2 (MID )	Luke Davies-Uniacke	68	DNP	0	E2 (DEF )	Ben Stratton	47	DNP	0
E3 (FWD )	Jack Silvagni	52	DNP	0	E3 (MID )	Jay Kennedy-Harris	62	DNP	0
C	Christian Petracca	53		53	C	Dayne Beams	111		111
VC	James Sicily	94		0	VC	Taylor Adams	107		0
HA	Callum Moore	26		26	RP		0		0
RP		0		0	NR		0
NR		0
		Total:	1034	15			Total:	1494	15

	PNL Reindeers					Moscow Spetsnaz
POS	Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Flood	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Luke Ryan	140		140	D1	Jack Crisp	106		106
D2	Jarrod Harbrow	80		80	D2	Matthew Scharenberg	67		67
D3	Dougal Howard	58		58	D3	Liam Jones	76		76
D4	Tommy Sheridan	67		67	D4	David Astbury	85		85
M1	Zach Merrett	102		102	D5	Jake Kelly	55		55
M2	Dylan Shiel	103		103	M1	Stephen Coniglio	90		90
M3	Will Brodie	60		60	M2	Dyson Heppell	129		129
M4	Matthew Kennedy	64		64	M3	Shaun Grigg	64		64
R1	Jack Lonie	79	0.5	40	M4	Jack Sinclair	107		107
F1	Jack Billings	125		125	R1	Matthew Kreuzer	20	DNP	0
F2	Chad Wingard	105		105	F1	Jordan De Goey	73		73
F3	Mitch Wallis	116		116	F2	Sam Petrevski-Seton	56		56
F4	Josh Schache	64		64	F3	Jack Watts	93		93
U1 (DEF MID)	Paul Seedsman	61		61	U1 (RUC )	Sam Jacobs	71		71
U2 (DEF )	Marley Williams	67		67	U2 (MID )	Bailey Banfield	95		95
E1 (MID )	Hunter Clark	47	DNP	0	E1 (MID FWD)	George Hewett	72		72
E2 (MID FWD)	Charlie Ballard	72	DNP	0	E2 (MID )	Brayden Ainsworth	0	DNP	0
E3 (RUC )	Darcy Cameron	0	DNP	0	E3 (DEF )	Jack Hombsch	63	DNP	0
C	Zach Merrett	102		102	C	Matthew Kreuzer	20	DNP	0
VC	Luke Ryan	140		0	VC	Dyson Heppell	129		129
HA	Dougal Howard	58		58	RP		0		0
RP		0		0	NR		0
NR		0
		Total:	1412	15			Total:	1368	15

	London Royals					Beijing Thunder
POS	Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Blake Hardwick	87		87	D1	Brandon Ellis	84		84
D2	Heath Grundy	0	DNP	0	D2	Marcus Adams	81		81
D3	Darcy Gardiner	55		55	D3	Tom Cutler	45		45
D4	Brad Sheppard	53		53	D4	Roarke Smith	42		42
M1	Luke Shuey	129		129	M1	Callan Ward	117		117
M2	Joshua Schoenfeld	32		32	M2	Dayne Zorko	99		99
M3	Jack Higgins	36		36	M3	Lachie Neale	108		108
M4	Ryan Lester	64		64	M4	Ollie Wines	120		120
R1	Callum Sinclair	86		86	R1	Brodie Grundy	99		99
F1	Orazio Fantasia	0	DNP	0	F1	Luke Breust	46		46
F2	Rhys Mathieson	72		72	F2	Kane Lambert	87		87
F3	Tim Membrey	96		96	F3	Josh Caddy	54		54
F4	Tom T Lynch	128		128	F4	Taylor Walker	63		63
U1 (FWD )	Sam Gray	63		63	U1 (MID )	Tom Rockliff	82		82
U2 (DEF )	Adam Saad	77		77	U2 (MID )	Daniel Howe	57		57
E1 (MID FWD)	Charlie Spargo	91		91	E1 (MID )	Bradley Hill	89	DNP	0
E2 (DEF )	Neville Jetta	51		51	E2 (DEF )	Tom Clurey	48	DNP	0
E3 (FWD )	Jake Waterman	62	DNP	0	E3 (RUC FWD)	Mason Cox	0	DNP	0
C	Luke Shuey	129		129	C	Brodie Grundy	99		99
VC	Callum Sinclair	86		0	VC	Tom Rockliff	82		0
HA	Joshua Schoenfeld	32		32	RP		0		0
RP		0		0	NR		0
NR		0
		Total:	1281	15			Total:	1283	15

[upthemaidens]

Beijing have been so lucky this season.

[Ricochet]

1523 with Sidey's 48 and Gray's 37

Now that Hanners is out we'll be pumping out the big ones. We're back baby

[Nige]

You guys all suck.

There ya go. I settled it.

This all started with a humble brag about Ahern, but nobody mentioned who had the foresight to draft him and made the trade of a lifetime which involved swapping the aforementioned with the Dawson Simpson.  8)

Did we buy him off you?  I should find the trade, but pretty sure we paid something like #13+Simpson for Ahern+pick.
  And who did you get with #13?

Pacific trade: Dawson Simpson, Pick 13 + Pick 33
Cairo trade: Paul Ahern + Pick 21

13 ended up being Rhys Mathieson, 33 was David Cuningham. 21 was Callum Ah Chee.

No regrets after big Daws pumped out 123 this week.

[Adamant]

Redden was supposed to average 95+ this year and after a dismal first 5 rounds he bounced back with a 127 on the weekend. Is he going to start delivering?

Has averaged 109.7 from this point onwards with back-to-back 154s. He is delivering in spades.

[Ringo]

Just to clarify You say Grundy and Fantasia were replaced by Spargo and Waterman - However Jettas score has been added not Watermans. Suspect Jetta should have been the replacement but can you confirm.
Saad from Utilities replaces Grundy
Gray from Utilities replaces Fantasia
So Spargo and Jetta go to Utilities.
However if Waterman is the correct replacement then we win by 9 wishful thinking though as I think my calculatons are correct  :) :)

[Purple 77]

Just to clarify You say Grundy and Fantasia were replaced by Spargo and Waterman - However Jettas score has been added not Watermans. Suspect Jetta should have been the replacement but can you confirm.
Saad from Utilities replaces Grundy
Gray from Utilities replaces Fantasia
So Spargo and Jetta go to Utilities.
However if Waterman is the correct replacement then we win by 9 wishful thinking though as I think my calculatons are correct  :) :)

Apologies Ringo, I've just rushed this and have already had to fix a couple of mistakes  :-X

I simply wrote the wrong thing; Jetta & Spargo were correctly added, Waterman remains on the bench, I just wrote the wrong name

[Ringo]

Just to clarify You say Grundy and Fantasia were replaced by Spargo and Waterman - However Jettas score has been added not Watermans. Suspect Jetta should have been the replacement but can you confirm.
Saad from Utilities replaces Grundy
Gray from Utilities replaces Fantasia
So Spargo and Jetta go to Utilities.
However if Waterman is the correct replacement then we win by 9 wishful thinking though as I think my calculatons are correct  :) :)

Apologies Ringo, I've just rushed this and have already had to fix a couple of mistakes  :-X

I simply wrote the wrong thing; Jetta & Spargo were correctly added, Waterman remains on the bench, I just wrote the wrong name

No problems at all.

[upthemaidens]

You guys all suck.

There ya go. I settled it.

This all started with a humble brag about Ahern, but nobody mentioned who had the foresight to draft him and made the trade of a lifetime which involved swapping the aforementioned with the Dawson Simpson.  8)

Did we buy him off you?  I should find the trade, but pretty sure we paid something like #13+Simpson for Ahern+pick.
  And who did you get with #13?

Pacific trade: Dawson Simpson, Pick 13 + Pick 33
Cairo trade: Paul Ahern + Pick 21

13 ended up being Rhys Mathieson, 33 was David Cuningham. 21 was Callum Ah Chee.

No regrets after big Daws pumped out 123 this week.

That seems a pretty fair trade.   Another reasonable offer by Pacific, still waiting to see these so called ridiculous ones. 

[Toga]

This thread ;D ;D

Will take the win but average week from our boys. Need to get a couple of our defenders back.

[Jay]

Our team is doing alright this season! Maybe there's some method to the madness of not trading out your good players? :o

[upthemaidens]

Our team is doing alright this season! Maybe there's some method to the madness of not trading out your good players? :o

Yeah, but just think how much better we would be if we had Dom Tyson VFL scores over a fringe player like Andrew Gaff.
    I guess with hindsight we would know better, luckily hindsight isn't a skill set needed in this game... :)

[Holz]

Our team is doing alright this season! Maybe there's some method to the madness of not trading out your good players? :o

Yeah, but just think how much better we would be if we had Dom Tyson VFL scores over a fringe player like Andrew Gaff.
    I guess with hindsight we would know better, luckily hindsight isn't a skill set needed in this game... :)

Just looked 2 years ago we where close on Hill for Gaff but you wanted abit extra due to age and i didnt want to pay it,

hindsight a wonderful thing.

[RaisyDaisy]

Our team is doing alright this season! Maybe there's some method to the madness of not trading out your good players? :o

No problem with keeping your good players - that was never in question

It was the ludicrous demands that we we're laughing at

Our team is doing alright this season! Maybe there's some method to the madness of not trading out your good players? :o

Yeah, but just think how much better we would be if we had Dom Tyson VFL scores over a fringe player like Andrew Gaff.
    I guess with hindsight we would know better, luckily hindsight isn't a skill set needed in this game... :)

Just looked 2 years ago we where close on Hill for Gaff but you wanted abit extra due to age and i didnt want to pay it,

hindsight a wonderful thing.

Exactly Holz

2 years ago a trade involving those 2 was more than reasonable. Fast forward 2 years and of course Gaff was the better choice

Same as the Tyson/Gaff discussion and the Tex/Stanley discussion - at the times of discussion Tyson+more for Gaff (coming off a 93avg) was certainly reasonable. I've got no problem with Pacific declining it, but to say it was bad is just wrong, where as on the other hand offering Stanley, a guy who averaged 70 and wasn't even best 22 for Tex who was averaging mid 80's and no JS issues was a joke

UTM can't get his head around any of this, and is obviously not capable of admitting when he is wrong so I'm not going to waste any more energy on this discussion. I think it's fair to say NY and Pacific won't be trading anytime soon. Probably fair to say Pacific and 80% of the comp won't be trading anytime soon too :P

[upthemaidens]

Our team is doing alright this season! Maybe there's some method to the madness of not trading out your good players? :o

Yeah, but just think how much better we would be if we had Dom Tyson VFL scores over a fringe player like Andrew Gaff.
    I guess with hindsight we would know better, luckily hindsight isn't a skill set needed in this game... :)

Just looked 2 years ago we where close on Hill for Gaff but you wanted abit extra due to age and i didnt want to pay it,

hindsight a wonderful thing.

We owned Gaff 2 years ago and would have never sold him for Hill.