Essendon Saga in British xv

[Ringo]

Just  commencing a thread for action and discussion on Essendon players suspensions.

Please comment which options you think and also add suggestions to it and they will be put in the OP here.

- Once we know who the top up players are,teams will draft replacements only from those players who then will be delisted at the end of the season.

- Teams can draft from both the top up players and the leftovers from the rookie draft,who then will be delisted at the end of the season and those on a AFL list go back into the player pool.

- Top up players cannot be traded out of their team

- A mini draft to be done,the order to be worked out using a combination of ladder position from last season,player quality(includes captain option) and averages,how badly the loss of the player/players affect the team which includes losing your number 1 ruck etc.  Draft order be published in next post.

- Coaches are free to not partake in the mini draft if they feel they have enough depth to cover their missing players for this season but need to be aware of possible injury repercussions.

This section for further discussion to resolve
1) Timing of minidraft
Minidraft to take place as soon as 10 Top up players confirmed
or
To take place immediately at conclusion of NAB Cup after seeing all

2 Retention of Top Up Players to replace Retiring Players
Do we allow franchises to retain a top up player so long as they remain on an AFL list  to replace a retiring player
or
Stick to the mindraft rules of all top up players reverting to the pool.

3 Minidraft Rule
Top up players must be like for like.

[Ringo]

Agreed Draft Order

Dyson Heppell  Liverpool Rams  MID -  James Kelly
Brent Stanton  Hebden Bridge Hedgehogs MID   - Jonathon Simpkin
Jobe Watson    Huddersfield Hawks MID  - Matthew Stokes
Cale Hooker      Wrexham Knights DEF/FWD - Nathan Grimma
Paddy Ryder    Blackpool Bunnies  RUC - Mark Jamar
Michael Hibberd  Winchester Werewolves DEF - Tom Lonergan
Ben Howlett     Birmingham Dragons  FWD/MID - James Polkinghorne
Stewart Crameri Bradford Badgers FWD- Jayden Hunt
Travis Colyer     Wrexham Knights FWD - Dougal Howard
Jake Carlisle       Blackpool Bunnies DEF/FWD - Jordan Dawson
Heath Hocking  Blackpool Bunnies  MID - Ryan Crowley
Jake Melksham   Grope Lane Giants  MID - Pass
Tom Bellchambers Birmingham Dragons  RUC - Pass
David Myers        Winchester Werewolves  MID - Luke Russell
Angus Monfries  Hastings Hurricanes   FWD - Jake Lomg
Tayte Pears       Birmingham Dragons   DEF - Pass

[Ringo]

Left Over Draft Players

Corey   Adamson   WCE   DEF   MID
Aliir   Aliir   SYD   DEF   
Logan   Austin   PTA   DEF   
Tom   Barrass   WCE   DEF   
Zac   Bates   GEE   MID   FWD
Kaiden   Brand   HAW   DEF   
Paddy   Brophy   WCE   DEF   
Nathan J.   Brown   COL   DEF   
Mitchell   Brown   WCE   DEF   
John   Butcher   PTA   FWD   
Dan   Butler   RIC   FWD   
Alipate   Carlile   PTA   DEF   
Mabior   Chol   RIC   FWD   RUC
Josh   Clayton   BRL   DEF   MID
Samuel   Collins   FRE   DEF   
Jock   Cornell   GEE   FWD   
Aidan   Corr   GWS   DEF   
Nick   Coughlan   STK   DEF   
Josh   Cowan   GEE   DEF   
Jordan   Cunico   GEE   MID   
Zac   Dawson   FRE   DEF   
Jordan   Dawson   SYD   FWD   
Harry   Dear   ADE   FWD   
Luke   Delaney   STK   DEF   
Jeremy   Finlayson   GWS   DEF   
Matthew   Flynn   GWS   RUC   
Jordan   Foote   SYD   MID   
Billy   Frampton   PTA   RUC   
Jack   Frost   COL   DEF   
Kyle   Galloway   SYD   RUC   
Ryan   Gardner   GEE   DEF   
Luke   Goetz   WBD   RUC   
Tim   Golds   COL   DEF   
Hugh   Greenwood   ADE   FWD   MID
Will   Hams   ESS   FWD   
Kyle   Hartigan   ADE   DEF   
Kurt   Heatherley   HAW   DEF   
Dan   Houston   PTA   FWD   
Dougal   Howard   PTA   FWD   
Liam   Hulett   MEL   FWD   
Jayden   Hunt   MEL   FWD   
Paul   Hunter   ADE   RUC   
Michael   Jamison   CAR   DEF   
Jesse   Joyce   GCS   DEF   MID
Malcolm   Karpany   WCE   MID   FWD
Alex   Keath   ADE   DEF   
Lachlan   Keeffe   COL   DEF   
Max   King   MEL   FWD   RUC
Michael   Korcheck   CAR   RUC   
Tom   Lee   STK   DEF   
Daniel   Lloyd   GWS   FWD   
Cameron   Loersch   GCS   RUC   FWD
Tom   Lonergan   GEE   DEF   
Jake   Long   ESS   MID   FWD
Padraig   Lucey   GEE   RUC   
Brad   Lynch   WBD   DEF   
Harry   Marsh   SYD   DEF   
Lincoln   McCarthy   GEE   FWD   
Lewis   Melican   SYD   DEF   
Jermaine   Miller-Lewis   HAW   FWD   
Tim   Mohr   GWS   DEF   
Callum   Moore   RIC   FWD   
Sam   Murray   SYD   MID   
Ryan   Nyhuis   FRE   DEF   
Colin   O'Riordan   SYD   DEF   
Jesse   Palmer   PTA   FWD   
James   Parsons   GEE   MID   
Brenton   Payne   STK   MID   FWD
Lewis   Pierce   STK   RUC   
Marc   Pittonet   HAW   RUC   
Tom   Read   GEE   FWD   RUC
Sam J.   Reid   GWS   MID   FWD
Ted   Richards   SYD   DEF   
Fletcher   Roberts   WBD   DEF   
Tom   Ruggles   GEE   DEF   
Luke   Russell   GCS   FWD   MID
Henry   Schade   GCS   DEF   
Sam Shaw          ADE   DEF
Alex   Silvagni   FRE   DEF   
Sam   Skinner   BRL   DEF   FWD
Joel   Smith   MEL   FWD   
Roarke   Smith   WBD   DEF   
Ivan   Soldo   RIC   RUC   
Matt   Spangher   HAW   DEF   
Kade   Stewart   HAW   MID   
Paul   Stewart   PTA   FWD   
Luke   Surman   HAW   DEF   
Shem-Kalvin   Tatupu   HAW   FWD   
Joel   Tippett   NTH   DEF   
Simon   Tunbridge   WCE   FWD   
Matthew   Uebergang   FRE   DEF   FWD
Tom   Wallis   ESS   MID   
Josh   Watts   BRL   DEF   
Zac   Webster   HAW   FWD   
Nathan   Wilson   GWS   DEF   
Darrean   Wyatt   COL   FWD   RUC

Top Up Players:
Ryan Crowley  MID
James Kelly   MID/FWD
Jonathan Simpkin  MID/FWD
Matt Dea  DEF
Matthew Stokes  MID/FWD
James Polkinghorne MID
Mark Jamar RUC
Sam Grimley (On Badgers list)
Nathan Grimma  DEF

[Rusty00]

Quick correction Ringo, Hibberd is at the Werewolves and not the Hurricanes ;)

I think it's probably going to have to be top-up players as well as leftover pool players in the mini-draft as otherwise I don't think there will be enough to go around (only Essendon are allowed top up players, and not Port, Melbourne, St Kilda or Bulldogs).

I don't think top-up players should be allowed to be traded.

Everyone will have their own opinion on what the mini-draft order should be so happy to go with your opinion Ringo as admin.

I don't really have a strong opinion as to when the mini-draft is held.

[GoLions]

I just did some averages and taking into account positions and stuff as well...I'd have the order something like this

Dyson Heppell  Liverpool Rams
Jobe Watson    Huddersfield Hawks
Brent Stanton  Hebden Bridge Hedgehogs
Cale Hooker      Wrexham Knights
Paddy Ryder    Blackpool Bunnies
Michael Hibberd  Winchester Werewolves
Ben Howlett     Birmingham Dragons
Stewart Crameri Bradford Badgers
Travis Colyer     Wrexham Knights
Jake Carlisle       Blackpool Bunnies
Heath Hocking  Blackpool Bunnies
Jake Melksham   Grope Lane Giants
Tom Bellchambers Birmingham Dragons
David Myers        Winchester Werewolves
Angus Monfries  Hastings Hurricanes
Tayte Pears       Birmingham Dragons



Agree with Rusty, don't think top-up players should be traded, but I'd also suggest we wait until after the 2nd trade period ends, as some people may still want some of these Bombers players if they either have depth to cover on a certain line, or are in a rebuild and happy to keep that player on their list for a year (e.g. if lets say Rams wanted to trade Heppell for another similar premium)

I also think top-ups should be from the same position that the player they are missing was in

[Nige]

I like Dave's rankings more. No way Ryder is worth more than Heppell.

[Ringo]

Reason I have Ryder first is that bunnies back up ruck to Ryder is Derrick only so that in my opinion should give them first choice in the draft given their finishing position last year as well.

[GoLions]

Reason I have Ryder first is that bunnies back up ruck to Ryder is Derrick only so that in my opinion should give them first choice in the draft given their finishing position last year as well.

This is why I suggested that you have to pick someone from the same position. So then it doesn't really matter where Ryder is prioritized, as long as it's above Belly.

[kilbluff1985]

the order looks about right to me

[GoLions]

I'll also add that age shouldn't matter, as it's only a 1 year thing

[iZander]

Quick correction Ringo, Hibberd is at the Werewolves and not the Hurricanes ;)

I think it's probably going to have to be top-up players as well as leftover pool players in the mini-draft as otherwise I don't think there will be enough to go around (only Essendon are allowed top up players, and not Port, Melbourne, St Kilda or Bulldogs).

I don't think top-up players should be allowed to be traded.

Everyone will have their own opinion on what the mini-draft order should be so happy to go with your opinion Ringo as admin.

I don't really have a strong opinion as to when the mini-draft is held.

Ill take him ;)

[Nige]

Reason I have Ryder first is that bunnies back up ruck to Ryder is Derrick only so that in my opinion should give them first choice in the draft given their finishing position last year as well.

Somewhat fair enough. No disrespect to SR, but I feel like coaches should make an effort to have a back up ruck that plays or has a good chance to play. Dave's suggestion of picking to replace the position seems fair in this scenario. Having first pick to get another mid doesn't make sense. If he's getting pick 1 purely because Ryder is a ruck, then he should be using it on a ruck.

[GoLions]

Reason I have Ryder first is that bunnies back up ruck to Ryder is Derrick only so that in my opinion should give them first choice in the draft given their finishing position last year as well.

Somewhat fair enough. No disrespect to SR, but I feel like coaches should make an effort to have a back up ruck that plays or has a good chance to play. Dave's suggestion of picking to replace the position seems fair in this scenario. Having first pick to get another mid doesn't make sense. If he's getting pick 1 purely because Ryder is a ruck, then he should be using it on a ruck.

E.g. I picked up Currie in trade period because I needed backup for Nicholls after he got injured in the finals last year. Also, in all honesty, everyone knew the Bombers players of 2012 were a decent chance of being suspended surely. If SR can pick the best top-up mid, I feel like it won't really make a difference as he still has that ruck position missing. So gotta have to replace with same position. I would obviously have to replace Crameri with a forward, even though I'd probably prefer a mid tbh.

[kilbluff1985]

had this idea for AXVIII SC

under the extreme circumstances in the best interest to keep the competition fair allow teams affected to trade there first 2016 draft pick

it has to be like for like if they lost a defender must trade in a defender and only if the banned player was best xv

[GoLions]

had this idea for AXVIII SC

under the extreme circumstances in the best interest to keep the competition fair allow teams affected to trade there first 2016 draft pick

it has to be like for like if they lost a defender must trade in a defender and only if the banned player was best xv

I dunno, what I'm thinking is give teams until the end of the trade period to sort out any issues. E.g. with SR, having a quick look there's plenty of teams with 2-3 rucks who should all get game time. Any trades made to address Bombers suspensions won't cost any movements to either party involved.

Then after that, we can have a mini draft with the top up players, where draft order is decided by the worth of that player alone, ignoring all other factors except their scoring and position.

Thoughts?