Here is Brisbane Current List
How would you change it around and who to de-list.
Senior List
1 Ben Keays
2 Ryan Harwood
3 Allen Christensen
4 Ryan Bastinac
5 Mitch Robinson
6 Josh Green
7 Tom Bell
8 Rohan Bewick
9 Dayne Beams
10 Daniel Rich
11 Pearce Hanley
12 Stefan Martin
13 Trent West Retired
14 Josh Walker
15 Dayne Zorko
16 Jarrad Jansen
17 Claye Beams
18 Nick Robertson
19 Josh Clayton
20 Josh Watts De Listed
21 Daniel Merrett Retired
22 Marco Paparone
23 Josh Schache
24 Liam Dawson
25 Daniel McStay
26 Tom Cutler
27 Darcy Gardiner
28 Lewis Taylor
29 Jaden McGrath
30 Eric Hipwood
31 Harris Andrews
32 Sam Mayes
33 Michael Close
34 Jonathan Freeman
35 Ryan Lester
36 Rhys Mathieson
38 Tom Rockliff
41 Sam Skinner
42 Justin Clarke Retired
43 Josh McGuinness De Listed
Rookie List
37 Cian Hanley (International Rookie)
39 Jackson Paine De Listed
40 Matthew Hammelmann
44 Archie Smith
45 Hugh Beasley De-Listed
46 Billy Evans De- Listed
47 Reuben William
Think Smith and Hammelman should be promoted from Rookie list. Paine should be de-listed and Evans and Beasley de-listed and maybe re - rookied.
Josh Green may be on the way out.
Players that may be under the pump and face de-listing Josh Watts, Jaden McGrath, Josh McGuiness who are yet to debut after 2/3 years. Sam Skinner also yet to debut but think he will be a required player as a defender.
There may be others requesting trades which will play out in the future.
I like McGrath, reckon he stays. Skinner stays as well.
Green probably on the way out as you said. Think Lester may be traded.
Don't know if we should delist Paine though? Wasn't too bad, especially with our young and inexperienced defence.
Greeny gone I reckon. Fractured his reputation over the last few months
Jaden McGrath could possibly apply for a trade, keep an eye out
De list Watts, McGuinees, Cian Hanley, Evans
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-09-05/lions-list-changes
Evans, Beasley, Watts, McGuinness, Paine all delisted (to add to West, Sauce, Clarke retirements)
Got most right haha
Where's Cian Hanley sitting on your ranks lads?
Quote from: Torpedo10 on September 05, 2016, 05:36:49 PM
Where's Cian Hanley sitting on your ranks lads?
The hospital
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's two years in a row now you've delisted your NEAFL Best Player award winner?
Quote from: fanTCfool on September 05, 2016, 09:36:05 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's two years in a row now you've delisted your NEAFL Best Player award winner?
3rd year in a row now
Yep mentioned it on chat on Saturday night that if I was Billy I would be worried, So 3rd year in a row we have delisted our B & F in NEAFL.
Although I predicted it think with the retirements Paine a bit harsh given he was being used as a defender and reinventing himself in both NEAFL as well.
Cian Hanley is still on the International Rookie list but has been injured most of the time out here. Club will persevere with him based on the reports.
It's like they want the Lions reserve players to just suck by doing this every year
Quote from: LF on September 05, 2016, 09:44:57 PM
It's like they want the Lions reserve players to just suck by doing this every year
Think it is time to do away with NEAFL award ;)
It doesn't make sense to me, I would have thought that NEAFL B&F winner should almost guarantee a contract? They must have some potential surely.
Best player in the Brisbane reserves can't get a game in the seniors. Lol that's flowered
I can understand the best player in Sydney struggling, but Brisbane?!
To be fair both Beasley and Evans are still on the rookie list and as per rules had to be upgraded or delisted. Evans is a medium sized mid fielder which unfortunately that is what we have plenty of.
Club is putting Hanley up for trade.
He's really pissed me off this season, but I think we're wrong to be getting rid of our *leaders*. Just doesn't sit right with me that with as a club struggling with player retention we go selling players that have been loyal to the club (Adcock, Rocky, Hanley).
Quote from: nrich102 on September 19, 2016, 11:49:43 PM
He's really pissed me off this season, but I think we're wrong to be getting rid of our *leaders*. Just doesn't sit right with me that with as a club struggling with player retention we go selling players that have been loyal to the club (Adcock, Rocky, Hanley).
Agree. How young does the club want to go next year. Winless is a high possibility
It may be a case of having to trade a player to fix up our defence. The retirement of both Merrett and Clarke leaves a big hole in defence. Whilst Harris and Gardiner will be great their bodies are still developing and it is hard for them to play of fully developed forwards each week. Dunn and Jack Frost will no doubt assist but we do not have to give the farm away as we have done in the past.
We need to also keep some picks/points so as to gain our academy players in Jacob Ellison and Jack Rolls.
Not sure but I think the strategy may be to try and keep our youngsters and build for the future,
Hoping Fagan can do a Matthews if he is the coach and take us forward. Remember we finished last in 1998 then Leigh took over and Premiership Winners in 2001. We have the talent but it needs developing and unfortunately a lot of our mid tier players have not progressed.
From reports Fagan can reinstall the discipline within the club that has been missing and I surely hope so.
Surely we can't be having another rebuild though? A rebuild of a rebuild of a rebuild doesn't sound right to me.
Quote from: nrich102 on September 20, 2016, 11:23:47 AM
Surely we can't be having another rebuild though? A rebuild of a rebuild of a rebuild doesn't sound right to me.
Not a rebuild but a coach who can take players to another level. Matthews did not add much to the list when he took over used draft picks well which we have done for the last 2 years. And lets face it we need to rebuild our defence with the unexpected retirement of Justin Clarke due to concussion. That would be my list priority in trade period. Probably need a forawrd as well while Schache and co continue their development but not as urgent as defence with Bell and Walker giving some experience.
Also we need a coach not afraid to send Senior players back to NEAFL if they are not performing.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-23/pearce-hanley-hasnt-asked-to-leave-lions-ceo
I wish all parties can just come out and say they wont be going anywhere. I'm desperate to see a fresh start and to finally get all players together in the one team. Once or twice we've had a full list of Rocky, Beams, Rich, Robinson, Hanley and Zorko on the field together.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-09-23/swann-on-trade-rumours
Comments by Greg Swann - So read it as you see fit.
"We’re not even close to starting it and there’s all of this speculation.
"We certainly haven’t put any players up for trade.
"We’re not in a position to do it until we have our Footy Manager and Coach appointed, so that will obviously happen as we know.
and this on Hanley
Hanley's manager Paul Connors said earlier in the week the 27-year-old was a "long way" from leaving the Lions, but conceded the NAB AFL Trade Period was a "funny" time.
I'm having major doubts over both of them Ringo. Swann filled me with no security of keeping them. Pearce is contracted and going no where would have sound better if he was keen on keeping him.
Away and did not see the actual press conference that Swann did. Lately I have been trying to gain a bit by body language. Thought it was a bit telling when the majority of players went together to NZ but Rocky and Hanley went together to Thailand.
Connors statement though seemed to be a bit stronger but the last phrase probably summed it up completely.
Think new coach will be the one making the decision in conjunction with Noble. Needs to ascertain if both want to be here and if not then trade them while they have currency. Will be a hard decision but with our performance we do not need players that do not want to be here.
Quote from: Ringo on September 24, 2016, 08:05:11 AM
Away and did not see the actual press conference that Swann did. Lately I have been trying to gain a bit by body language. Thought it was a bit telling when the majority of players went together to NZ but Rocky and Hanley went together to Thailand.
Connors statement though seemed to be a bit stronger but the last phrase probably summed it up completely.
Think new coach will be the one making the decision in conjunction with Noble. Needs to ascertain if both want to be here and if not then trade them while they have currency. Will be a hard decision but with our performance we do not need players that do not want to be here.
Most Years Pearce and Rocky go to Thailand for golf. Wouldn't look to much into that.
Feeling that Hanley will be gone next year, rocky to stick around going by nobles comments.
Yea I got that feeling listening to the pressers as well.
Rockliffs manager saying he wont be leaving unless something drastic happens with the club not wanting him, "has lions in his blood"
100% certain rock will be here next year. Noble wants him rocky wants to stay in Brisbane. Hopefully get rid of these foul rumours and start building towards 2017
Quote from: strikes91 on October 05, 2016, 04:15:25 PM
Rockliffs manager saying he wont be leaving unless something drastic happens with the club not wanting him, "has lions in his blood"
100% certain rock will be here next year. Noble wants him rocky wants to stay in Brisbane. Hopefully get rid of these foul rumours and start building towards 2017
+1 - With Noble and Fagan wanting to build a culture within the club hope Robbo and Bundy can adapt to what they will be implementing.
Also interesting comments by Rocky's manager that leadership group let him down. So we ait and see but would 95% say Hanley will go.
Has there been a possible falling out between Rockliff and Dayne Beams ? Just get a feeling of unrest. They loved each other 12 months ago on social media now they never comment to each other. Rocky and Harwood got into a biff while on the sauce one night and Harwood is close with Claye. Looking into it too much maybe.
Maybe strikes and this is the type of culture that needs to change, Knew about the Rocky Harwood blue but had not noticed anything with Dayne.
Have you heard anything about Gardiner wanting to see what is available elsewhere. Has not signed as yet and suspect he is waiting to see what happens in the next couple of weeks. Can not really afford to lose him but the rumored signings of Dunn and Frost may be influencing the decision.
Green I suspect will seek a trade.
Quote from: Ringo on October 05, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
Maybe strikes and this is the type of culture that needs to change, Knew about the Rocky Harwood blue but had not noticed anything with Dayne.
Have you heard anything about Gardiner wanting to see what is available elsewhere. Has not signed as yet and suspect he is waiting to see what happens in the next couple of weeks. Can not really afford to lose him but the rumored signings of Dunn and Frost may be influencing the decision.
Green I suspect will seek a trade.
Dayne has done nothing wrong, just maybe sided with his brother and Harwood
Dizzy I have no idea. Extremely worrying with only weeks to go until the contract is up.
Green is gone, maybe involved in the Dunn trade.
Well Rockliff's put his foot in it on twitter recently too. Just issued an apology
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2016, 05:41:14 PM
Well Rockliff's put his foot in it on twitter recently too. Just issued an apology
What happened ?
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Is that worthy of an apology ? looks like a bit of banter with his house mate.
Quote from: strikes91 on October 06, 2016, 06:29:56 PM
Is that worthy of an apology ? looks like a bit of banter with his house mate.
When we live in such a PC society unfortunately it is. :/
and when you're captain of an AFL club it is
Definitely worthy of an apology, they're pretty disgusting comments and shouldn't be made by someone that should be a role model.
I can't see a problem with but I understand with people of today that can.
Somewhat surprised to see we were actually awarded a priority pick.
We get pick 19, an extra at the end of the first round. If we trade Pearce as well, this could be another big draft for us.
Quote from: Ricochet on October 06, 2016, 06:34:45 PM
and when you're captain of an AFL club it is
Yeah, just seen it and agree... not what you want from your captain.
He has to do better or step down... simply not good enough.
Rocky's future there still not very clear , something just does not seem right ?
if i was a Captain of a team and felt like the club didn't want me there think i'd leave so fast
May as well give both Rocky and Hanley the chop. Clearly the club is in a bit of trouble at the moment and these two are making it worse. Zorko looks like a fine leader (I said he should be Captain after his first season) and there's plenty of talented youth to work with. 3 years and you'll have one of the best spines in the game. If you can get 3 seasons into some gun picks instead of Hanley and Rocky hanging around then go for it.
Also you're mad if you don't look at Witts. Heard that he's looking to reunite with Rocket at GC though.
Only trade Rockliff if we get a suitable deal. No unders for desperation.
Little bit worried about Gardiner. There are other offers apparently. Would be a big loss
Quote from: strikes91 on October 11, 2016, 06:00:37 PM
Little bit worried about Gardiner. There are other offers apparently. Would be a big loss
I am too. Can not afford tto lose dizzy. Other clubs enquiring but hoping he stays. We will be doing our best to keep him.
Hanley almost certain to go to Suns, Rocky meeting with Fagan in the morning so we will have a better idea later in the day, Green also still to sign but have not heard of any other clubs interest.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-12/fagan-noble-meet-with-rockliff
No a lot to dismiss speculation at all.
“We won’t say any more about what were private discussions."
Picture on twitter of rocky at an airport boarding to Adelaide from Melbourne. I'm pretty sure he met with Fagan and Noble in Victoria today. Jumping on the plane to Adelaide seems unrealistic but not out of the question.
So we've traded picks 2, 31, 51 & 60 to GWS for picks 3 and 16.
Seems like a lot to give up for 16 and a move down the draft order. Not too sure if this one was the right move...
Quote from: BB67th on October 13, 2016, 12:03:35 PM
So we've traded picks 2, 31, 51 & 60 to GWS for picks 3 and 16.
Seems like a lot to give up for 16 and a move down the draft order. Not too sure if this one was the right move...
I think we weren't going to take McGrath at 2, so in terms of our first pick, we still get who we want. Then 31, 51, 60 for 16 is a win for us imo.
However, I wish we were gonna grab McGrath :P
Quote from: GoLions on October 13, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 13, 2016, 12:03:35 PM
So we've traded picks 2, 31, 51 & 60 to GWS for picks 3 and 16.
Seems like a lot to give up for 16 and a move down the draft order. Not too sure if this one was the right move...
I think we weren't going to take McGrath at 2, so in terms of our first pick, we still get who we want. Then 31, 51, 60 for 16 is a win for us imo.
However, I wish we were gonna grab McGrath :P
Two thoughts from me after catching up
1) we force Suns by nominating Bowes at 3. Win/Win for us
2) We take who we were targeting. Suspect Will Brodie as he is bigger bodied and what we need but who knows what names the l;ist management have for 3. Schwab indicated that they have 4 names targeted at 4.
With Allison falling down the order do not mind trading the picks as we should have at least one pick left to cover him.
We will also get imo a pick 14+ from Suns for Hanley. Pick 22 may be a bit low for him so maybe picks they receive for Prestia or O'Meara will do it leaving us with 5 picks in top 25.
Quote from: Ringo on October 13, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 13, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 13, 2016, 12:03:35 PM
So we've traded picks 2, 31, 51 & 60 to GWS for picks 3 and 16.
Seems like a lot to give up for 16 and a move down the draft order. Not too sure if this one was the right move...
I think we weren't going to take McGrath at 2, so in terms of our first pick, we still get who we want. Then 31, 51, 60 for 16 is a win for us imo.
However, I wish we were gonna grab McGrath :P
Two thoughts from me after catching up
1) we force Suns by nominating Bowes at 3. Win/Win for us
2) We take who we were targeting. Suspect Will Brodie as he is bigger bodied and what we need but who knows what names the l;ist management have for 3. Schwab indicated that they have 4 names targeted at 4.
With Allison falling down the order do not mind trading the picks as we should have at least one pick left to cover him.
We will also get imo a pick 14+ from Suns for Hanley. Pick 22 may be a bit low for him so maybe picks they receive for Prestia or O'Meara will do it leaving us with 5 picks in top 25.
Don't be surprised if Petrevski-Seton is your top choice @ Pick 3. He's actually eager to move interstate, and will be a much more damaging player in the long run. You got your pig inside midfielder in Matho. No need for Brodie in my opinion.
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 05:00:11 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-12/fagan-noble-meet-with-rockliff
No a lot to dismiss speculation at all.
“We won’t say any more about what were private discussions."
What is the problem with Rockliff is it his behavior , do the players not want him there , is it money , is it length of contract ?
Quote from: shaker on October 13, 2016, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 05:00:11 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-12/fagan-noble-meet-with-rockliff
No a lot to dismiss speculation at all.
“We won’t say any more about what were private discussions."
What is the problem with Rockliff is it his behavior , do the players not want him there , is it money , is it length of contract ?
Called a young lady a "3/10". And everyone lost their minds. Even though it was one of his close mates, missus. So was harmless banter.
Quote from: shaker on October 13, 2016, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 05:00:11 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-12/fagan-noble-meet-with-rockliff
No a lot to dismiss speculation at all.
“We won’t say any more about what were private discussions."
What is the problem with Rockliff is it his behavior , do the players not want him there , is it money , is it length of contract ?
A few issues Shaker. Obviously his recent tweet and subsequent apology did not help. Also there a number of speculations pertaining to training attitudes including being over weight.
Quote from: Ringo on October 13, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 13, 2016, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 05:00:11 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-12/fagan-noble-meet-with-rockliff
No a lot to dismiss speculation at all.
“We won’t say any more about what were private discussions."
What is the problem with Rockliff is it his behavior , do the players not want him there , is it money , is it length of contract ?
A few issues Shaker. Obviously his recent tweet and subsequent apology did not help. Also there a number of speculations pertaining to training attitudes including being over weight.
When he's one of like 3 players that show up each and every week, I think his weight would be one of the last things people should be worrying about
Quote from: Ringo on October 13, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: shaker on October 13, 2016, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 05:00:11 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-12/fagan-noble-meet-with-rockliff
No a lot to dismiss speculation at all.
“We won’t say any more about what were private discussions."
What is the problem with Rockliff is it his behavior , do the players not want him there , is it money , is it length of contract ?
A few issues Shaker. Obviously his recent tweet and subsequent apology did not help. Also there a number of speculations pertaining to training attitudes including being over weight.
Still think you have big problems in the club if they can't sort this out without losing a player like him
Quote from: Ringo on October 13, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: GoLions on October 13, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
Quote from: BB67th on October 13, 2016, 12:03:35 PM
So we've traded picks 2, 31, 51 & 60 to GWS for picks 3 and 16.
Seems like a lot to give up for 16 and a move down the draft order. Not too sure if this one was the right move...
I think we weren't going to take McGrath at 2, so in terms of our first pick, we still get who we want. Then 31, 51, 60 for 16 is a win for us imo.
However, I wish we were gonna grab McGrath :P
Two thoughts from me after catching up
1) we force Suns by nominating Bowes at 3. Win/Win for us
2) We take who we were targeting. Suspect Will Brodie as he is bigger bodied and what we need but who knows what names the l;ist management have for 3. Schwab indicated that they have 4 names targeted at 4.
With Allison falling down the order do not mind trading the picks as we should have at least one pick left to cover him.
We will also get imo a pick 14+ from Suns for Hanley. Pick 22 may be a bit low for him so maybe picks they receive for Prestia or O'Meara will do it leaving us with 5 picks in top 25.
I'm getting a vibe that it will be Tarranto or Brodie.
Hartung rumoured to be being considered by us for pick 16 to be on traded to Suns for O'Meara, which may come back to us for Hanley. So if that is the case why not a three way trade
Hawks get O'Meara give Hartung
Suns give O'Meara get Hanley
Lions give Hanley get Hartung.
Would you guys be happy with swapping Hartung for Hanley?
Also think there's a fair chance Brisbane might be targeting SPS in the draft. Looks to be a very good player and good signs if he's eager to move interstate.
Have a feeling Toga it would be either him or Brodie as Schwab appears to be comfortable with 3td pick and openly says we will get the player we want. There are apparently 4 that we are targeting with the early picks we now have. If we get another early pick for Hanley may gamble on SPS at next pick after 3.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-17/adcocks-homecoming
Interesting with Jed Adcock joining the coaching staff after being dumped as captain and told he was not wanted. Think he will really settle in to the role though.
Quote from: Ringo on October 17, 2016, 05:34:31 PM
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-10-17/adcocks-homecoming
Interesting with Jed Adcock joining the coaching staff after being dumped as captain and told he was not wanted. Think he will really settle in to the role though.
I could be wrong, but I thought we had originally offered him a mentoring role in the NEAFL (and to be called up to the AFL side if needed), which he turned down? Granted, considering he used to be captain, wasn't the best way to handle things, but I don't think it was bad as the media suggested.
Anyway, happy to have him back at the club :)
Le cock ;D
Looks like we're going to have 2 top 5 picks next year :D
We will need them to secure Ballendeen from the academy. At this ear;y stage based on under 17 comps predicted to be in top 5.
Thoughts on our drafting. I rate it 8/10. Had to take McLuggage over Ainsworh.
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Think we did OK as a few of these can play forward as well which I was concerned about. Should not have too much of a go home factor given we recruited 3 Ballaratt Rebels.
Lyons is the interesting pick so hope he works out.
Obviously if he is still available we will take Rolls as one of our rookie picks.
Very happy 8)
Cluggggg
Trading Pick 2 for Picks 3 & 18 looking good now as well Netting McLuggage and Berry.
Our Rookie Picks
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-11-28/lions-select-for-four-rookies
Like the look of Oscar McInerney at 204cm trust he develops to be a nice replacement for Stef in a couple of years.
If Barrett's named round 1, surely he's a lock in the fantasy team?
Thought we might take Rolls!
Very happy with Barrett and Hinge though, although don't know a lot about McInerney
Not sure whether we have room to promote Barrett though given he is a rookie. Will wait and see when final lists lodged tomorrow.
Also happy with Grewar as the Zone selection. Gee Rolls has slipped a bit as well. Hope we did not make a mistake of not taking him this year and have to use picks to keep him next year as I suspect we will really have to use one to keep Ballandeen.
Quote from: Ringo on November 29, 2016, 01:19:56 PM
Not sure whether we have room to promote Barrett though given he is a rookie. Will wait and see when final lists lodged tomorrow.
All good, Beams will get an LTI before the season :(
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-12-01/jumper-nos-finalised
Jumper Number for Draftees
6 - "bags" McLuggage
13 - Jarrod Berry
20 - Cedric Cox
29 - Alex Witherden
37 - Jacob Allison
39 - Corey Lyons
42 - Michael Hinge
43 - Jake Barrett
46 - Oscar McInerney
48 - Blake Grewar