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Wowee, how is the transformation at the Power now?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-26/paddy-firms-for-port

Sheesh, how will they keep em all under the cap? Before they win a Premiership?

Maybe they will let the Boss Wingard go to the Crows to make cap room :P

old news

Calling negative nancy! Was no thread in the Port section about this huge coup champ ;)

Quote from: tbagrocks on September 26, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
Calling negative nancy! Was no thread in the Port section about this huge coup champ ;)

Exactly. This move almost makes Port the favourites next year in my books :o

They will look very strong if Ryder comes into the team, exactly the type of player needed to take them to the next level

Port need another forward and ruckman. Ryder is both, so this is perfect for them.

lets see how Ryder goes with the fitness program there. Renouf sounds like he will go if Ryder joins

Renouf has already been delisted mate.

Quote from: JROO8 on September 26, 2014, 09:43:01 PM
Port need another forward and ruckman. Ryder is both, so this is perfect for them.

Yep couldnt get a better fit really. 2015 gunna be a long long year.  :(

I'm happy about his preference & Pick 16 for Ryder is a fantastic trade (just like pick 14 for Polec). He's already 26 which doesn't matter as rucks/key forwards don't start their careers all too well and improve with age and our list is already young enough as is (a lot argued too young to win a premiership this season and I'd have to agree as the inability to convert simple shots cost them the prelim).

Fantastic transfer if it's processed. The ASADA investigation is irrelevant to Hinkley but I'm somewhat worried about the impact on Ryder if Monfries alone is facing 3-6 months suspension, and 34 Bombers facing up to 2 years on the sidelines (They won't have a team... I would have fired Hird a long time ago)

Essendon want either Wines, Hartlett, or Wingard for Ryder...

I think they can flower off, he'll terminate his contract either way so Essendon are in the inferior bargaining position. I think Ryder would be a fantastic addition to the Power line-up. However, he isn't half as good as any of the 3 aforementioned guns. 19, 21, or 24 year old superstars  (none of which have peaked), for a 26 year old (who is peaking). No way, I think Hinkley is too smart to accept that deal. Honestly, I think Pick. 17, Butcher &/or Moore is a fair exchange for a player who is going to leave the side anyway. If Essendon wanted stability in their side, they shouldn't have been drugging their players, creating an unsafe workplace, to begin with.

I think any three of these players for Ryder would be a rip-off to our side and is an insult to even suggest it. We can reject the trade and will still be a GF contender. Even if Essendon keep Ryder, they'll be lucky to make finals again (considering the whole ASADA saga, and subsequent unpredictable player suspensions making this trade request all the more reason unreasonable). Honestly, No. 17, Butcher, & Moore is a fair enough deal for Ryder. Moore would probably be in the Bomber's best 6 midfielders hahaha

Essendon should also consider. Worst case scenario for them, all their players get suspended for up to 2 seasons. Worst case scenario for us, we play Gorringe up front... What position do they think they're in to make such an absurd counter-offer. None of those players will want to leave Aberton anyway...

I would say Ryder is worth as much as those mentioned, but Bombers not exactly in the best position to bargain.

I agree Wines or Wingard would be a far fetched offer but Hartlett is well within reason. Isn't at that elite echelon that Wines and Wingard should get to.

But Essendon still won't get him.

Hartlett is elite!

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 05:08:47 PM
Hartlett is elite!

And this!
Don't agree with ya Torpy.

Quote from: Toga on October 07, 2014, 05:09:19 PM

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 05:08:47 PM
Hartlett is elite!

And this!
Don't agree with ya Torpy.

Yeah I agree, but so is Ryder?
Wines and Wingard are probably worth more, due to age, but can't see how Hartlett is better?

Essendon are not in a position to bargain for a player on the level of Hartlett, Wingard or Wines, no matter how they compare to Ryder mate

Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 07, 2014, 05:00:21 PM
I agree Wines or Wingard would be a far fetched offer but Hartlett is well within reason. Isn't at that elite echelon that Wines and Wingard should get to.

No. 4 Draft pick

I know he was prone to injury in the past but Hinkley's fixed him up since. Don't look into his dream team scorers. The guy is our 3rd most important midfielder (only Boak & Ebert would overrule him).

Honestly, I'm more than happy to see pick 16 go. I'm would even be happy with Butcher & Moore were thrown in as well. But the best the Bombers could possibly get from our list is Kane Mitchell, and maybe, maybe Bobby Carlisle. This list was denigrated for 5 years and finally, under the right coach, these players are starting to emerge (Wines fortunately wasn't part of the 2008-12 lists) and as a supporter, I'd be very angry to see any of those young players (most of which backed the club when the experienced players sought free agency) go. These players backed the club, and the club backed these players (Hinkley delisted the trash) and I think that's what makes them such a strong side, they have real chemistry when they play and even the recruits (Polec, Monfries, Hombsch, Wines, Impey, Neade & White) fit right in upon arrival. Just think about it, it took Troy Chaplin almost two years to make the same gesture of pride in his new club, a gesture which only took Matt White two games to make... PAFC management have said no players are on the table and I think good on them, Essendon are in no position to make demands and worst case scenario for Port is either another team picks Ryder up (resulting in Ryder being unhappy) or Ryder enters free agency & is recruited by Port. Essendon should be preparing a legal defence, not stubborn counter-offers.

Worse comes to worst, we can always get Gorringe, either way the Dons lose another player.     

Quote from: Toga on October 07, 2014, 05:24:02 PM
Essendon are not in a position to bargain for a player on the level of Hartlett, Wingard or Wines, no matter how they compare to Ryder mate

Yeah i know, I said that earlier. But take out the circumstances and Paddy is worth more than Hartlett, easily. Not sure on Wines or Wingard, though.

Quote from: JROO8 on October 07, 2014, 04:55:30 PM
I would say Ryder is worth as much as those mentioned, but Bombers not exactly in the best position to bargain.

Ryder said he's walking out of the club regardless of whether he gets traded or not.
If Port are to pick him up then they need to agree on a deal.
If they don't agree on a deal then Port won't get Ryder, but Essendon will still lose Ryder.
Ryder will end up at a new club for free (may not be Port)

So Essendon will eventually settle for a deal, and I reckon it'll be only the Pick 16 they turned down a few days ago.

The bombers are in the stronger position I think. Since Ryder is contracted, the only way he gets to Port is via a trade, or at the very outside, via legal action he isnt guaranteed to win, and then hope Port get an early PSD pick. (unlikely)

They can bang on for a while yet, it is only day 1

Quote from: SydneyRox on October 07, 2014, 06:24:23 PM
The bombers are in the stronger position I think. Since Ryder is contracted, the only way he gets to Port is via a trade, or at the very outside, via legal action he isnt guaranteed to win, and then hope Port get an early PSD pick. (unlikely)

They can bang on for a while yet, it is only day 1

best case scenario for the bombers they get a player for another year who doesn't want to be there.

Ryder for Hartlett?, they'd wanna throw in Stanton to make us even consider it, and I'd still say no :o ;)

Yeah it doesn't make sense for Essendon to be making demands. If they enforce the contract. They'll be paying Ryder for the next two years to do nothing. He's already quit, all the contract means is if he wants to play at AFL level, it has to be for the Bomber's, he's indicated he won't be playing so the Bombers will be financially burdened holding onto him just because they are too stubborn to realise the position Hird's shower coaching has got them into. I still don't understand why they haven't fired him... He's not even a good coach. Out of the trio (Voss, Hird & Bucks), Voss was the only one who could coach, yet he's the one out of the job (no criticisms to the Lions, Leppa is doing a fantastic job regardless, more a comment on the Bombers & Collingwood). Essendon should be trying to secure Bomber Thompson as head coach, not safekeeping the role for a guy who spends most days in Federal Court hahaha

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 07, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense for Essendon to be making demands. If they enforce the contract. They'll be paying Ryder for the next two years to do nothing. He's already quit, all the contract means is if he wants to play at AFL level, it has to be for the Bomber's, he's indicated he won't be playing so the Bombers will be financially burdened holding onto him just because they are too stubborn to realise the position Hird's shower coaching has got them into. I still don't understand why they haven't fired him... He's not even a good coach. Out of the trio (Voss, Hird & Bucks), Voss was the only one who could coach, yet he's the one out of the job (no criticisms to the Lions, Leppa is doing a fantastic job regardless, more a comment on the Bombers & Collingwood). Essendon should be trying to secure Bomber Thompson as head coach, not safekeeping the role for a guy who spends most days in Federal Court hahaha

yeah only problem was alot of players hated vossy :P

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 07, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense for Essendon to be making demands. If they enforce the contract. They'll be paying Ryder for the next two years to do nothing. He's already quit, all the contract means is if he wants to play at AFL level, it has to be for the Bomber's, he's indicated he won't be playing so the Bombers will be financially burdened holding onto him just because they are too stubborn to realise the position Hird's shower coaching has got them into. I still don't understand why they haven't fired him... He's not even a good coach. Out of the trio (Voss, Hird & Bucks), Voss was the only one who could coach, yet he's the one out of the job (no criticisms to the Lions, Leppa is doing a fantastic job regardless, more a comment on the Bombers & Collingwood). Essendon should be trying to secure Bomber Thompson as head coach, not safekeeping the role for a guy who spends most days in Federal Court hahaha

If paddy  is contracted and refuses to play he wont be getting paid ;)

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 09:02:36 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 07, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense for Essendon to be making demands. If they enforce the contract. They'll be paying Ryder for the next two years to do nothing. He's already quit, all the contract means is if he wants to play at AFL level, it has to be for the Bomber's, he's indicated he won't be playing so the Bombers will be financially burdened holding onto him just because they are too stubborn to realise the position Hird's shower coaching has got them into. I still don't understand why they haven't fired him... He's not even a good coach. Out of the trio (Voss, Hird & Bucks), Voss was the only one who could coach, yet he's the one out of the job (no criticisms to the Lions, Leppa is doing a fantastic job regardless, more a comment on the Bombers & Collingwood). Essendon should be trying to secure Bomber Thompson as head coach, not safekeeping the role for a guy who spends most days in Federal Court hahaha

If paddy  is contracted and refuses to play he wont be getting paid ;)

He'd probably play, but would he bother putting his all in, especially if he's pi$$ed off. That could hurt the team even more

Quote from: Dudge on October 07, 2014, 09:25:09 PM

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 07, 2014, 09:02:36 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 07, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
Yeah it doesn't make sense for Essendon to be making demands. If they enforce the contract. They'll be paying Ryder for the next two years to do nothing. He's already quit, all the contract means is if he wants to play at AFL level, it has to be for the Bomber's, he's indicated he won't be playing so the Bombers will be financially burdened holding onto him just because they are too stubborn to realise the position Hird's shower coaching has got them into. I still don't understand why they haven't fired him... He's not even a good coach. Out of the trio (Voss, Hird & Bucks), Voss was the only one who could coach, yet he's the one out of the job (no criticisms to the Lions, Leppa is doing a fantastic job regardless, more a comment on the Bombers & Collingwood). Essendon should be trying to secure Bomber Thompson as head coach, not safekeeping the role for a guy who spends most days in Federal Court hahaha

If paddy  is contracted and refuses to play he wont be getting paid ;)

He'd probably play, but would he bother putting his all in, especially if he's pi$$ed off. That could hurt the team even more

Then theyd put him in the vfl and he wouldnt get match payments so would lose on a fair wad of cash

Less than 24 hours to go. The Bombers are by far the most stubborn team in the AFL. Collingwood capitulated with Beams (& they had an actual bargaining position). Pick 17 & 37 are more than fair (again, if we wanted to we could have just asked Ryder to take them to the grievance tribunal - no matter what the result, relations between Ryder & the Bombers would be forever hostile - and picked him up for free). If your player is going to take you to the grievance tribunal, why even bother trying to retain him?? The whole situation just seems pointless and the Bombers know by next season we'll have Ryder & are just trying to waste PAFC's time. Seeing all the other trades go through, this one is now pissing me off.

If Essendon want a player, I'd be fine with Wagner, Newton, Butcher, Ah Chee, or Flynn going. But I think they have lost any chance of taking Andrew Moore  ;)

Seriously, it's ridiculous, if the Giants could tell it was best to give up Boyd, the Bulldogs could tell it was best to give up Griffen, the Kangas could tell it was best to give up Greenwood, & the Magpies could tell it was best to give up Beams... How stupid does that make the Essendon recruiting department!! Seriously, in the aforementioned situations, at least the clubs had leverage, this player will literally take you to court, can they not comprehend that he hates the effing club. Considering all that, pick 17 & 37 seems like a fair offer 

Also, why do the Bombers need mediation to make trades? It's not that hard if you know what you're going.

3rd time in 5 years... Most clubs have never resorted to AFL trade mediation once. Obviously that whole department sucks as they can't even do their jobs

Gotta agree i to have no idea why they would want to keep a guy that is absolutely desperate to get out of there. Doesnt make any sense unless they are intentionally screwing him over and thereby sending a message to others, i really dont know why or what it is their doing. :-\

Getting annoyed myself actually

Take 17 and 37 turn it into 17 and Giles and Its a good result for us

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on October 15, 2014, 11:09:43 PM
Getting annoyed myself actually

Take 17 and 37 turn it into 17 and Giles and Its a good result for us

I think so to mate, its the best of a bad situation.

Yep agree, EFC playing hardball, but if say they refuse & @ 2pm all fails,
Paddy goes to the tribunal & opts the clause then becomes a Free agent.
Does that mean his nominated club gets him or the draft circus applies?
With GWS apparently maybe throwing pick 4 at EFC + (?) can they if Ryder says no, enforce? Pretty sure no!
Mediation between clubs, is AFL asserting authority over the ASADA fiasco?
Maybe Port should throw a deal at the last minute @ Giles, alar M Clarke re Freo / Melb previously happened in the past.
Still apparently chasing Gorringe?

Would Paddy by not accepting to go to GWS relinquish his power in a case at the grievance tribunal?

He wants to leave Victoria, and a suitable deal was reached between Essendon and GWS, so why does it have to be Port?

You cannot say you want to leave and then when the deal is done refuse an offer to leave?

I predict we will take pick 17 and 37 tomorrow but it is very poor compensation and a slap in the face.

Quote from: AaronKirk on October 16, 2014, 12:01:44 AM
Would Paddy by not accepting to go to GWS relinquish his power in a case at the grievance tribunal?

He wants to leave Victoria, and a suitable deal was reached between Essendon and GWS, so why does it have to be Port?

You cannot say you want to leave and then when the deal is done refuse an offer to leave?

I predict we will take pick 17 and 37 tomorrow but it is very poor compensation and a slap in the face.

Ryder listed Port as his preferred destination and due to his current importance to the Bombers, i.e. he would be classified as a restricted free agent, Essendon have to respect under his contract. Ryder wants to win, not sit at the bottom tier of the ladder. A bigger slap in the face would be sending a player who has provided so much to your club to anywhere but his chosen destination. If they traded him somewhere else, he would not give consent & go straight to the grievance tribunal & the trade would be terminated as the contract would be voidable, rendering the trade non-existent. This just delineates Essendon's weak bargaining position, Port should honestly assert authority on the deadline & only provide them with pick 17 (or even better try for only 37), and hold the Bombers to an ultimatum which they'll either accept or Ryder goes to the grievance tribunal & the Bombers get nothing. This obviously will not happen, but I think it would be worth a try after this constant necessary bs Essendon is causing. They should have released Ryder mid-transfer period at the latest. I don't know what they are trying to achieve.       

At least they have backed off Hartlett, Wines, &/or Wingard. That was the stupidest counter-offer I've ever seen in AFL history  :-\

They are just making this so much harder than it really should be. The same thing happened with Caddy in 2011 & some random in 2009

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mediation-fails-between-essendon-port-adelaide-over-paddy-ryder-trade/story-fn69a32t-1227091548484

They want to use pick 37 to acquire Cooney... They could have done it as well. The irony is that they wasted all their time

Just reading the article make you notice how poorly managed human resources at Essendon is  >:(

Just so frustrating...

YES!!!!!! I'm calling it, premiers 2015!!

A lot of club make preliminary finals, hardly any do it so convincingly, of a bright future, to have a gun player have his contract terminated and a 3-time premiership captain and, respectively his former club's 2nd best coach in history, sign up to be part of the journey. All I can say is that the last 2 seasons they have been too convincing and, unlike many other clubs that make prelims & then fall, are the real deal  ;D

I think I could see consecutives in the future as well, still an INCREDIBLY young side (Captain just turned 26, VC is only 24, yet they are easily in the top 3 elite already).

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 16, 2014, 08:21:38 PM
YES!!!!!! I'm calling it, premiers 2015!!

A lot of club make preliminary finals, hardly any do it so convincingly, of a bright future, to have a gun player have his contract terminated and a 3-time premiership captain and, respectively his former club's 2nd best coach in history, sign up to be part of the journey. All I can say is that the last 2 seasons they have been too convincing and, unlike many other clubs that make prelims & then fall, are the real deal  ;D

I think I could see consecutives in the future as well, still an INCREDIBLY young side (Captain just turned 26, VC is only 24, yet they are easily in the top 3 elite already).

Give it a break.

Yes we've been good.
Yes we will improve.
No that does not mean we have won the flag.
We have been very lucky in the last two years playing against clubs who haven't been able to field their best 22, and we have. If injuries were to arrive at Port Adelaide, as we saw they did for 4-5 weeks, we are pretty bad.

Stay injury free, we'll give it a red hot crack, no one is denying that, but saying we've won the premiership already? Go away.


P.S. Hawthorn have improved their list yet again, still the frontrunners for me.

Quote from: PowerBug on October 16, 2014, 08:53:39 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 16, 2014, 08:21:38 PM
YES!!!!!! I'm calling it, premiers 2015!!

A lot of club make preliminary finals, hardly any do it so convincingly, of a bright future, to have a gun player have his contract terminated and a 3-time premiership captain and, respectively his former club's 2nd best coach in history, sign up to be part of the journey. All I can say is that the last 2 seasons they have been too convincing and, unlike many other clubs that make prelims & then fall, are the real deal  ;D

I think I could see consecutives in the future as well, still an INCREDIBLY young side (Captain just turned 26, VC is only 24, yet they are easily in the top 3 elite already).

Give it a break.

Yes we've been good.
Yes we will improve.
No that does not mean we have won the flag.
We have been very lucky in the last two years playing against clubs who haven't been able to field their best 22, and we have. If injuries were to arrive at Port Adelaide, as we saw they did for 4-5 weeks, we are pretty bad.

Stay injury free, we'll give it a red hot crack, no one is denying that, but saying we've won the premiership already? Go away.


P.S. Hawthorn have improved their list yet again, still the frontrunners for me.

That is a good point, I thought Hawthorn was the only team we beat as a result of injury though, & we were both at full strength during the prelim & it was an incredible match. I really think it has do with our club's management off the field, only Hawthorn is comparable in terms of management & that is because Clarkson is just an all-round great coach -who learned the trade under the great Mark William at Port-  ;) Overall, as long as Koch & Hinkley are there, we'll always improve, I'm not saying anyone is expendable, however, when someone choose to leave over the last two years, we manage to replace them with someone better.

If I had to bet though, it would be between Port & the Hawks and it would go down to the day & experience (Therefore, Hawthorn obviously would have to be my favourite as well. But I'm convinced our young players will step up during the big games (something they've done for the last 2 seasons). Really looking forward to next year, I'm only calling Port for premiers, I'm not saying they'll win, but they are my bet (of course as a passionate supporter I wouldn't advise anyone to make a bet involving actual mediums of exchange. The Power & Chelsea FC are the only things that make me think & act irrationally - like most supporters) :) I hope that clarifies everything, my previous statement was just a pride rant, don't read too much into it, just so happy about the Voss & Ryder signings  ;D

Nuh your buggered without Uncle Phil.  :P

(http://www.bankruptingamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Uncle-Phil-2.jpg)

Nice work Mr C.  ;)

Voss is about 10 times better  :D

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 16, 2014, 09:47:06 PM
Voss is about 10 times better  :D

At sucking.  :P

Great mid coach, maybe he'll play Wines as a fwd.  ;)

Quote from: Grazz on October 16, 2014, 10:12:17 PM

Quote from: powersuperkents on October 16, 2014, 09:47:06 PM
Voss is about 10 times better  :D

At sucking.  :P

Great mid coach, maybe he'll play Wines as a fwd.  ;)

shower

Luckily Hinkley won't allow any of his ridiculous antics. All Voss needed at Brisbane was a leash, however he made the initial decision to play Hanley in the mids, & that turned out well  :)

Yeh i was just messing about mate, bit of rivalry Crows V Power banter is a bit of fun if kept as just that, fun. Voss is one of my all time favourite mids, the way he went about his footy spoke volumes about him. The guys that play like Voss i gravitate towards, i love the hard nuts and he was one of the very best. All stirring aside he's a great get by you guys. Didnt have the greatest coaching stint but thats a mute point now. He'll make a great addition to your coaches ranks and will no doubt be an asset to your midfield group under Ken overseeing his work. Ryder is also a great get, would of really liked him at the Crow's as i think as good as he fits into your team he would of been a perfect fit for us also so im a little envious of that.

PTA - turnaround from 2yrs ago ... just wow!   :o    8)

good time to be a Port supporter no?   ;)

Quote from: j959 on October 17, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
PTA - turnaround from 2yrs ago ... just wow!   :o    8)

good time to be a Port supporter no?   ;)

They are starting to exceed the team I loved as a child, only difference is this side has no brothers in it hahaha. Should of kept Matt Westhoff just for the tradition hahaha.

It's also great that Hinkley is recruiting a lot of indigenous players (trading & the draft), they have been an immense part of the club's culture and it's good to see them still contribute their nature talent on the field today (still not at the level of Pickett, Wanganeen, Cockatoo-Collins & the Burgoynes but they are all young players and are heading in that general direction)

Quote from: Grazz on October 17, 2014, 02:08:26 AM
Yeh i was just messing about mate, bit of rivalry Crows V Power banter is a bit of fun if kept as just that, fun. Voss is one of my all time favourite mids, the way he went about his footy spoke volumes about him. The guys that play like Voss i gravitate towards, i love the hard nuts and he was one of the very best. All stirring aside he's a great get by you guys. Didnt have the greatest coaching stint but thats a mute point now. He'll make a great addition to your coaches ranks and will no doubt be an asset to your midfield group under Ken overseeing his work. Ryder is also a great get, would of really liked him at the Crow's as i think as good as he fits into your team he would of been a perfect fit for us also so im a little envious of that.

To be fair, it's a good time to be a Power supporter (As I wrote on BF, and yes I'm unbanned for now lol) but the landscape of this comp, is changing so quick. Only 3/4 years ago, Paul Conners made a statement, that none of his players would go to Port, and I hated the scumbag soooo much, Admittedly the big 3 clubs, with maybe Freo being the 4th ( Hawks - Sydeneee -and Cats), seem to be a big GF threat most years lately But whose to say in 2017, it wont be the Roo's GWS, GC and the Crows, as the big 4. I think we all should enjoy our teams success, the same as we enjoy our own kids growing up. Here one minute, flown the coop in a blink of the eye

Paddy's presser or parts of it.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-11-20/paddy-ryders-new-beginning

The whole thing.

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/video/2014-11-20/ptv-paddy-ryder-press-conference-20-november-2014